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A Marquis Experience

There must be quite a few servings of crow being eaten this morning by various Cubs fans.

They taste better with a little teriyaki sauce, just so you all know.

Three of the most-maligned Cubs -- Jason Marquis, Jacque Jones and Matt Murton -- all stepped up bigtime last night and led the ballclub to a 6-2 win over the Rockies. Yes, that's not a misprint -- Marquis, Jones and Murton were the stars. Marquis threw into the 7th inning, gave up only one run (unearned), walked nobody, struck out five, and just to prove he can still hit, smacked a booming double to dead center field that missed being a home run by about ten feet.

He later scored that inning on one of Jones' three hits. Jones also doubled and hit his first home run in more than two months (since June 1 vs. the Braves, the day of the Zambrano/Barrett brouhaha and two days before the current 38-24 streak began). That ties him with Ryan Theriot and Mike Fontenot with three, and raises his average to .266. With both Jones and Murton hot, there's no reason to not send them out there every day, at least until Alfonso Soriano returns.

And Murton also had three hits, and homered for the second day in a row, a useful insurance run going into a 9th inning that I just couldn't stay awake for -- and it really does seem as if the humidor they store baseballs in at Coors Field has indeed had some dampening effect on scoring there. Although Coors still ranks second in overall park factor at 1.203, and 1.238 for HR, this is far lower than it was in 2001 (1.458 and 1.457) or 2002 (1.440 and 1.600). Of course, scoring seems to have been tamped down quite a bit all across the major leagues this season. Wonder why that is? (he said, with major winking going on.)

Anyway, Dempster came in with a four-run lead -- often, that's the kiss of death for him, coming in in an non-save situation -- but he handled it with dispatch, helped out by a couple of slick defensive plays by Derrek Lee. Even though Lee is struggling at the plate, he's still contributing. He could probably use a day off, but with Aramis Ramirez out, and Daryle Ward still not activated from the DL, there's really nobody on the team who can play first base (and don't say Cliff Floyd, because the last time Uncle Cliffie played first base was ten years ago, with the Marlins). So Derrek will likely have to wait till Monday, when the whole team gets a day off after twenty games in a row, to rest.

Jason Kendall also had three hits last night, including a legged-out infield hit when he placed a ball just perfectly in between the pitcher's mound and second base. He's now hitting .317/.414/.417 as a Cub, with four doubles, a triple and 8 RBI in 60 at-bats. I still think Lou should try that .414 OBA in the 2-spot in the batting order, but last night the makeshift lineup worked again -- why not send it out there again tonight against Josh Fogg?

Unfortunately, the Brewers decided to come from behind last night and beat the Astros in 11 innings 5-4, so they maintain their half-game lead. The Padres, Dodgers and Phillies also won, so the Cubs remain two games behind in the wild-card race.

Notes: I noticed in the comments last night that someone asked if Rockies pitcher Ryan Speier was any relation to former Cubs coach Chris Speier. He's not -- former Rockies pitcher Justin Speier, who's now with the Angels, is Chris' son. Ryan Speier, no relation to Chris or Justin, came up with the Rockies two years ago, started this year with Colorado, was sent down in April and just recalled this past week -- and I can see why, with that pitching motion that kind of shoves the ball to the plate, an arm injury waiting to happen. He threw a scoreless inning, but not until after allowing two hits and uncorking a wild pitch.

And the SCOTT PODSEDNIK'S BEEN CLAIMED ON WAIVERS!!!!11!!!! story has hit the national wires, after being reported on local sports talk radio, which I said in last night's game thread is doing a real disservice by "breaking" these non-stories. The real story about this claim is buried in that link:

White Sox assistant general manager Rick Hahn would not comment on Podsednik's situation or say how many players the team had on waivers.

"I don't think any club would place just one player that they're looking to trade on waivers because then it would be obvious to other clubs what your intention is or how you view a specific player," Hahn said. "The fact that a specific player was or was not placed on waivers or was claimed by a club is not indicative of the likelihood of a deal."

Exactly. Knowing how Kenny Williams operates, he's probably asking for half the Cub farm system in exchange for Podsednik, which clearly isn't going to happen. Plus, apart from the claim on A's OF Shannon Stewart that was revealed earlier in the week, we do not know how many players the Cubs -- or any other team -- put in a claim on.

Which is as it should be, as Hahn said. Until an actual waiver deal is made, there are a ton of players both waived and claimed during early August. This happens every year -- it's just this year, for some reason, that these things are getting reported as if they're already set in stone. Which they aren't. And Jim Hendry agrees:

"It's not out of line for me to claim people every day," Hendry said of the waiver process teams must use to make trades after the July 31 non-waiver deadline. "I've been awarded some claims where there wasn't even any [trade] conversation about it. It was just an immediate pull-back."
Finally, I received the other day an email from someone who claims to know Will Ohman and his family personally and who criticized me for ripping Ohman for his dubious claim of being hurt. Well, turns out I had it right:
Left-hander Will Ohman upset teammates and dug a deeper hole with the Cubs organization when he went on a Chicago sports radio show Friday and said the team's medical staff knew he had been pitching in pain for more than two months before he was demoted to the minors Tuesday.

Teammates privately rallied around trainer Mark O'Neal, whom they perceived as being thrown under the bus by Ohman, one teammate referring to the pitcher as "our ex-lefty."

The rest of the article goes on to say that no one in the organization had known anything about Ohman being hurt, and further:
"Ask how many times he was in the training room," one pitcher said. "You can't not show up [in the trainer's room] and all of a sudden say you're hurt. It doesn't work that way."
And Bruce Miles says this whole thing got Jim Hendry upset:
"I’ve known Will since I drafted him in 1998," general manager Jim Hendry said. "I’m fairly visible in the clubhouse on a daily basis. He never mentioned it to me. Mark never mentioned it to me. Let’s not make a bigger thing out of it than it is. He got optioned out. He certainly was not a DL (disabled list) candidate.

"I certainly have a pretty solid reputation of not pitching people when we knew we had an injury and certainly would not attempt to send out an injured player."

Apparently, upset enough to get rid of him:
Hendry wouldn't speculate on Ohman's future in the organization, although club sources say he is likely to be traded or released after this season. Ohman is signed through 2008 and will receive $1.6 million next year.
The email I got said, basically, that I shouldn't criticize Ohman because he is a good husband, brother, father. All of that may be true. But that doesn't necessarily make him a good teammate. And the Cubs are better off without him.

Now onward. The Cubs have played well in this series, and people have stepped up to replace injured stars. Keep it up.

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I am really happy for Jones
Yes, he was bad in the early season but where are the people that said he was lazy, didn't care, etc. now?  You can really see how happy he is now that he is hitting and contributing.  

by rlpete on Aug 11, 2007 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I was a big JJ critic
But I don't think the feeling was that he was lazy or that he didn't care. He looked clueless -- I mean, how many soft grounders to first did he hit?

That said, I am happy for him, too. He seems like a nice guy who DOES care. And he's hot at a time when we really needed someone to step up.

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I too
am thrilled that JJ appears to have found his mojo.  The clueless part, however, may still apply.  I am beginning to question his baseball smarts.  I haven't kept track so I won't attempt to cite specifics except to say that it seems he does something that is less than smart at least once per game both offensively or defensively.  His base running, for example, is terrible.  I just hope the good JJ continues to ourweigh the bad JJ.
And so it goes.

by Luigi on Aug 11, 2007 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
I don't think anyone thinks JJ has the potential to be a big-league manager or anything. But, hell, he's hitting well while Aramis and Sori are out and while D-Lee can't buy a hit.

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the previous posts
I enjoy a little crow eating by Cubs fans.  Granted, Jones earned some of that with his play, but it seems that they boo him when he fails and cheers him  when he succeeds.  It's a no win situation.

Furthermore, it's known that because former Twins LaTroy Hawkins and Jacque Jones were treated poorly by Cubs fans, a certain Twins centerfielder refuses to play for the Cubs.  That's the sad part.  Our whipping boys are spreading the bad word.

Neifi, we hardly knew ye.

by Krande on Aug 11, 2007 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

There was a lot of room for criticism
of his play.  That was valid.  He wasn't hitting at all.  What I questioned at the time were people questioning his effort and desire.  There were some comments about the hustling Theriot and Fontenot and the lazy Jones.  That criticism wasn't fair.  I'll stay away from where that criticism may have been coming from.  

by rlpete on Aug 11, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

As one who also got on JJ's case
my complaint has always been JJ's "baseball smarts."  I have been consistent in hoping that JJ could turn it around at the plate.  My concern is whether JJ is a guy that you want on the team at CRUNCH TIME (September and HOPEFULLY, OCTOBER).

The mental errors of base running, missing cut off men in the outfield, inconsistent breaks on balls off the bat, etc... are things I worry about.  His stepping it up at the plate is making up for a lot of those errors now, but at crunch time, these are usually close games, where the mental errors are magnified.

The one thing I NEVER questioned was JJ's desire or hustle.  I think the vast majority of us who are negative on JJ feel the way that I do--it is great that he is hitting now, but the mental errors are something that is unlikely to go away.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

And happy for Marquis and Murton as well!
glad to see Marquis throw a good game last night.

Even bigger to see Murton and Jones heat it up! I think you have to give Murton a few more starts now to see if he truly is good or just hot right now.

I will take anybody contributing as long as the Cubs win!

If you think you've seen it all...just wait!

by CubFanSince1970 on Aug 11, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I freely admit
to cranking on Jones earlier in the season, and using stats to back it up. But after his trade fell through, something toughened him up. And I know Lou worked with him a lot also.

Very happy to see him doing well.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

cranking on Jones earlier in the season
I for one never did crank on JJ, or anyone else on the team and I never do.
I know of JJ's ability from his days with the Twinkies...and he just needed some time to adjust to the NL and two new managers in two years.

But my belief is and always remains the same:

Baseball is a long, long season, and everything comes around at the end - good or bad.

It's the getting uptight about every little thing and spewing hatred and insults that causes premature gray hair and the need for a major supply of mylanta.   :-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 11, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jones
Maybe it will turn out in the end the best move Hendry made or one of the best was not making that deal.

We need all the hitting we can get and if Jones were to get really hot our chances increase a lot.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton Mojo Manifests
It's only a few games, but it sure is nice to see Murton driving the ball. It really seemed like Dusty and Sarge (or Clines) screwed with Murton's head last year--when he first came up from the minors he was selective and he hit line drives. Then I guess he heard the "be aggressive and don't clog the bases" speech too many times and was flailing at everything.

Let's clog the bases all year! Go Cubs!

by kentmeister on Aug 11, 2007 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I've Always
believed that Murton could be an everyday major league player.  He's not at all likely to be enshrined at Cooperstown nor will he ever play in more than one or two all-star games, if any.  What I think he's needed all along is common sense instruction from competent coaches and, most of all, playing time.  

If he keeps up his solid albeit unspectacular play, perhaps Hendry would be wise to shop him in the offseason.  Keeping him as a backup, I believe, would only help to put him back into a funk for lack of ABs.

And so it goes.

by Luigi on Aug 11, 2007 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

huh?
Murton had a .365 OBP last year under Baker

and Baker was the one that gave him full time ABs

on top of that he got better as the year went on...

so i'm not sure how Sarge or Dusty or anyone screwed with his head

if anything last year was a solid expectation of Murton's game and this year when Lou yanked him around, was indicative of when he got "screwed up"

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 11, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

RE: Lou yanking him around?
LOL. The guy was dropping fly balls out of his glove... and sitting on 3rd base when he should be scoring. Of course Lou's gonna yank him... and deservedly so.
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by SackMan on Aug 11, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

at different times during the year
every player has made a baserunning mistake or misplayed a ball in the field

i guarantee you of this

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 11, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Murton's friggin killin me
On Wed night, DeRosa's at 3rd with one out... the infield is in, and he can 't even bring him home... hitting a POS ground ball into a fielder's choice to nail DeRosa at home.

On Thurs night, Jones is on second after a wild pitch, and he grounds out.

Last night, runners at the corners (Jones at 3rd), and he grounds into another fielder's choice (this time to the pitcher), nailing Jones at the plate. Then... later in the 4th, with Jones on second, they walk D-lee to get to Murton, and he grounds into another fielder's choice.  

But, of course... when nobody's on base, he homers. Friggin douchebag.

1-RUN GAMES = 15-18 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-7 | HOME = 30-28 | updated on 8/7

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

unbelievable
the guy is hitting .423/.444/.808 in August and he's "killing you"

so glad to have you as a Cubs fan...

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 11, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep hating...
You are unbelievable.  

You refuse to give Murton credit.  

But that's okay... I hope he keeps driving you crazy as he continues to hit the ball well.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 11, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

MURTON
I bet he REALLY must have killed you when he led off in the 9th inning against Brett Myers with a double and scored the winning run to put the Cubs in first place last home stand...um, not to mention he has 3 home runs in one week since taking over for Soriano, and threw out a base runner at second from his knees in the opening game at Coors!

by ItCouldBEmightBEitIS on Aug 11, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

What is it about fans and redheaded Cubs?
Dempster and Murton are the two most polarizing player on the team right now.

Both have red hair.

Maybe they're like redheaded stepchildren.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ohman
Great points on Ohman Al,

I think when you see the team rally around the trainer, you see what his teammates think of his act. He was not the first pitcher to pitch poorly this season and get sent out. He should have went back to Iowa and got himself together for the call back to Chicago. He could have actually pitched some important innings down the stretch. Instead he has probably cost himself that opportunity and the chance to be with the Cubs next season. And why?

by ccd on Aug 11, 2007 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly.
I don't know why some ballplayers act this way. Fortunately, you see that the rest of them see right through this. This has the added advantage of bringing the rest of the team closer together, something that's always a good thing.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess this begs the question
How is Cotts pitching?
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cotts was injured earlier...
...and his ERA down in Iowa right now is 6.29.

I suppose it should be added that Cotts is essentially relearning half his pitches down there (as a reliever you don't need the pitch selection a starter does, so I suspect he let some of his secondary pitches languish the past few years) and so the high ERA isn't exactly shocking. It'll be interesting to see how the Cotts experiment works out.

That said, if you're looking at lefty relievers, Iowa has two guys in Carmen Pignatiello and Clay Rapada that bear mention. Rapada is a more traditional LOOGY -- righties are batting .315 against him in Iowa this year. Pignatiello is more like what it sounds like Lou wants, a lefty that can get righties out. Righties are batting .242 against Rapada; lefties are hitting .151.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the update!
Given your sig, it is clear you are up to date on the goings on in Iowa.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rapada has already been up...
... and Pignatiello has been mentioned as a possible callup also, although he is not on the 40-man roster, so someone would have to be removed (Ohman?) to make room for him
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point if someone...
...were to put in a waiver claim on Ohman I'm not sure Hendry would stop them. Hendry seems to be exceedingly personally upset at Ohman, and the team seems to share his feelings.

That said... I'm pretty sure Ohman had to clear waivers once already in order to be sent down to Iowa, so I don't know if that's even a concern. So we could probably DFA Ohman and stash him at Iowa, and if we lost him... good riddance to him and his salary.

It's finding a spot for him on the 25-man roster that's a bit trickier.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

According to what I read...
... Ohman was optioned -- I can't believe he still has options left, but that's what I recall reading.

Thus he COULD be DFA'd, and whether or not he's cleared waivers isn't clear, although it seems likely that he has.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was optioned...
...but after you accrue enough service time you have to clear waivers before you can be sent down. And after that, with a bit more service time, you can reject an optional assignment.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for clarifying.
The latter, IIRC, is what happened when they sent Corey Patterson down in 2005. I'd have thought Ohman would have had enough service time to reject an optional assignment, but maybe not.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If someone were to claim Ohman
If someone were to claim Ohman Hendry would carry him to his new team literally and drop him on their doorstep in a basket with a blanket and a note saying "We don't want him anymore.  Take him." complete with pacifier for his mouth.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRosa could spell D-Lee
at first. It would mean playing Theriot at third, and make for a strange lineup. Maybe something like this ...

3B Theriot
C Kendall
RF Jones
1B DeRosa
LF Murton
2B Fontenot
CF Pie
SS Cedeno

Or

3B Theriot
C Kendall
CF Jones
RF Floyd
1B DeRosa
LF Murton
2B Fontenot
SS Cedeno

Not saying Lou should do this. But if Lee's struggling because of some nagging injury, this MIGHT work.

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

I Don't Think
Lee is suffering from an secret unspecified injury, at least I hope not.  I do worry sometimes that his wheels may be acting up though.  He has that John Wayne-like saunter about him and sometimes it looks like it may even be a slight limp.  I admit though, that I worry way too much about our stars playing themselves into injuries.  ARam still scares me everytime I see him standing erect.  He just looks to me like he's in pain all the time.  What I think is most likely is that Lee is just mentally exhausted on both personal and professional levels and a day or two off (not associated with a suspension) every now and then could help to recharge the batteries.
And so it goes.

by Luigi on Aug 11, 2007 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Podsednik
I do like the thought of Podsednik on the Cubs if we were able to acquire him.

I don't, however, see him as some sort of "missing piece" or anything.  I see him as a replacement for Angel Pagan.  Pagan has really struggled lately and to me has seemed rather lethargic out there (how many outs was that again?).  I think Podsednik would bring basically the same skillset to the table that Pagan had, with maybe a very slight decrease in speed.

The one thing about Podsednik is that he has playoff experience.  Hitting a home run off of Brad Lidge in the World Series is experience that cannot be ignored.  He could fill in with Soriano out, and then be a nice bench contributor when he returns.  

I'd like to see this happen, obviously not at a ridiculous price, but for the record, I give a thumbs up.  

by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 11, 2007 8:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Podsednik essentially only for free
I think it was a good claim.  If Kenny Williams asks for more than Brian Dopirak or Les Walrond or some other organizational cannon fodder, I'd tell him to go away.  But if he's willing to give us the guy for the waiver fee just to save some money, then I'd use him in Pagan's 5th OF space and send Eric Patterson back to Iowa to get regular ABs for the rest of the regular season.   That lets them rest Pagan a little longer; colitis is nothing to laugh about.

Once Pagan comes back on 9/1, Podsednik becomes the personal PR for Floyd and Ward.  A useful spare part to rent.

My fear, however, is that Lou may feel a need to actually START Podsednik in LF once or twice.  That would be awful.

by Invalid User on Aug 11, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou
just like Baker and plenty of other managers, has an affinity for veterans

handing him another one would likely in some way result in lost playing time for one of the younger players

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 11, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

depending on the price...
Pods might be OK. But where does he fit on the roster?

Failing an injury, someone will have to be sent down next week when Ward comes back. My guess is that Fontenot will go to Iowa, because he's had some problems on defense and he hits left-handed like Ward. Given the team's struggles against lefties, I think a hot-hitting Murton's a lock to stay with the big club.

So, if we get Pods, who is basically a left fielder, we'd either have to send down Pie and have one guy on the roster (JJ) who can play center, send down Cedeno and have only Theriot at short or send down Murton and make things harder against lefties.

And what happens if Sori comes back before rosters expand next month?

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect...
... Kenny Williams is going to ask for WAY too much for Podsednik. Now, that leaves the other option in a waiver claim, that Williams could just say "Take him, he's yours." Somehow I doubt that's going to happen.

Thus this whole thing is the proverbial tempest in a teapot.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Randy Myers
Anyone else remember in 1998 when Randy Myers was placed on waivers by Toronto, and San Diego was trying to block a deal to send him to Atlanta so they claimed him.  Toronto dumped him, told the Padres they could have him AND his inflated contract and the Padres were left with a player they had no intention of actually using?  That was pretty funny.  Screw you Padres, who cares if they made the World Series that year.  

by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Somehow I doubt that's going to happen
Al -

I believe this has more chance of happening than you might think...

The Sox have a LOT of new speed playing well right now, and Pods das spent a lot of time on the DL over his tenure with them.

IMHO, and if the Sox let him go to save $$ and give their new young talent playing time, the Cubs might do well having him simply as good insurance, and veteran experience in a WS.

And after all, he DID hit a WO HR in the '05 WS...

But in any case, if he DID come to the Cubs - I don't believe he would remain there after the season is over.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 11, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Williams just wanted to let Pods go...
...Pods would be in a new uniform by now. Williams is negotiating, and so far as I can tell he has lost all ability to judge relevant value. Some GMs just aren't fit to hold a fire sale, and Kenny Williams is one of those guys.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand why we need another OF
When the season began... we had too many OFs. Now, we lose one to injury and there's a panic? I just don't get it. Play the guys you have. Soriano will come back... and so will Pagan... and so will another bench bat in Ward. Then, you'll be back to having way too many guys once again.
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by SackMan on Aug 11, 2007 9:36 AM CDT reply actions  

I am also happy for
JJ, Murton, and Marquis...and the Cubbies!

Al, are you serious???  Someone had teh nerve to send that email to you?  What a joke.  GREAT! The guy is a good husband/father, whatever, then quit baseball and do that full time because he is obviously better at those things that pitching.  That is absolutely ridiculous Al...

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 11, 2007 9:40 AM CDT reply actions  

And
And from everything we know while he had a first wife who tried to get money by claiming things about him Sammy's a good husband to Sonia and father to their 37 kids.

And Barry seems to have a good relationship with his kids as well.

I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

All the subjects and more...
Interestingly that the Rockies are now 0-5 against the Cubs this year. Living out here and listening the local hyperbole of FSN coverage Rockies seem to play differently (intimidated) against the crush of Cubdom, out in full bloom last night. Expected 4-game attendance could approach 170,000, largest crowd in years for the new Coors field. I am acquainted with one of the Rockies senior front office brass and he is elated, they upped tickets for this and a few other premium games (LAD, SF, NYY) where even season ticket holders would have to pay a premium.  The penalty is Cubbie Blue is littered all over the field with single ticket purchasers.

They announced after the game that the Rockies acquired someone name Dennan for Sunday's game.

Jones: The trade you don't make might be the one that is the best. Jones was bad, very bad and now he is hitting the ball with more authority. The team is also rallying around him with every contribution which also is grand. It appears he might be mostly the man in CF down the stretch.

Ohman: He has been an organizational problem child, longterm rehab, then recovered and arbitration eligible and he was alright as a LOOGY coming for a third here or third there. This year he was okay when Eyre went into the tank and held serve until I think he simply wore out. But his attitude of ME is showing up. He will be traded in a minor deal as the Cubs will probably recall him in September but keep him off any prospective playoff roster. Maybe Detroit or Atlanta will pick him up in a waiver deal. Heck throw him in on the proposed Podsednik deal.

Podsednik: Good pickup, he is hitting in the last ten (.329) Defense liability (but what else is new for the Cub OF), I can see him coming to the Cubs and playing LF against most RH'ers until Soriano is back, then occassionally playing RF in Wrigley's small field at night. The Cubs don't have any arms in RF anyway. The thing is when Ward returns (valued PH designate and possible 1B sub for a few games for D-Lee) who goes? Pie, possibly but until Aramus is really healthy Cedeno must stay.

The thing is that it is 19 days until September 1st roster moves:

Questions: Pagan? Murton? Cedeno? Blanco? K. Hill, Gallagher? Podsednik? Pie? If the Cubs do go to the playoffs who do the Cubs keep and who is left off?

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 11, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply actions  

Sure wish the multitude of Cubs
fans in SD would inspire their play here.
From what I interpret in your post, the Rockies fans become silent. The opposite of what happens here....Denver is another market where fans from everywhere have migrated to, but apparently the locals act differently.

Here, the other fans, be they Dodgers/Cubs/Giants/Mets fans are met not with a laid-back California attitude, they are met with agression.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 11, 2007 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I understand it...
Denver is TRULY a footbal-oriented town and Broncos rule it.

Baseball is "nice".

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

hockey
the avs are HUGE here in denver

by anormal on Aug 11, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

More to football and hockey town
In the Denver Post or Rocky Mtn News Sports Section they have featured stories and pictures of the Broncos since before spring training and you have to go to the MLB section. Often even home games are too late for the early edition regarding the playoff contender Rockies.

I got a call from my brother-in-law who attended the game last night he thought he was transplanted to Wrigley as to how many fans were there supporting Chicago. He compared it how the Yankees traveled in the '70's.

As for the Broncos those who clad Broncos-wear can be worse than Wisconsin and GB colors. Either way I think there is some pressure on the Rockies playing in front of a normal docile home crowd that is now filled with opposition.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 11, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

doesn't this have to do with
the fact that the rockies really haven't had a winning team?  The Rocks have some good young players, and I can't remember them vying for a wild card spot.

a championship changes everything.

I'm not afraid of anything. to be honest with you, I kicked some dirt on a guy and that was it.

by bmeteor on Aug 11, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the Bible
toting, religious display of the team last year created any controversy?

It is a wonderful, yet odd area in that Bouder is so "left", yet Colo Springs is completely the opposite. I don't really know if Denver is in the "middle" or not...

As I recall, and I'm getting older(!), but one of the Neifi teams was very good and they were drawing nice, consistent crowds.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does it?
The Marlins and the Diamondbacks have won it all -- the Marlins twice. It takes time for an expansion team to grow roots, and winning helps, but it's not everything.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have a ton of family in Denver
and from what we've gathered the town essentially doesn't acknowledge professional baseball.

Football, Hockey, local soccer, skiing, roller blading... what have you all seem to trump baseball.

'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Aug 11, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Broncos
I got to meet John Elway and his teeth when I went on a Cubs fan trip out there in 93.  He was rooting for the Cubs.  It turns out his college roommate was then Cubs third baseman Steve Buechele.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Diego fans are not sports fans..
I used to live in San Diego and slaved through all 3 Cub losses at JackMurph in 84.  The kookie Padre fans were calling for Detroit and taking about sweeping their way to a World Series..what a bunch of misguided dunderheads they are.  I also drive down to the "CatBox" their in SD when the Cubs are there and the fans still don't know anything and are just plain "ignorant" when it comes to knowing baseball.  And they are poor sports when their team losses.

by ItCouldBEmightBEitIS on Aug 11, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

My math
Murton > Pagan with no colitis > Pie > Podsednik > Patterson > Buck Coats > Pagan with colitis > Sam Fuld > Dwayne Bacon called out of retirement > The lumbering corpse of Tarzan Joe Wallis > Jim Edmonds
The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by cubzfan on Aug 11, 2007 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Where do Brant Brown and Derrick May fit?
1-RUN GAMES = 15-18 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-7 | HOME = 30-28 | updated on 8/7

by SackMan on Aug 11, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Between Juan Pierre
and Doug Dascenzo
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 11, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Pierre...
... have you noticed he's been dropped to seventh in the Dodgers' batting order the last couple of games?

Wow, are they going to regret that contract in a couple of years, if they don't already.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw that a couple days ago.
Hard to believe the Dodgers have scored over 500 runs with that lineup. I see a big drop-off coming for that team. As for the Pierre contract, I agree. That thing has albatross written all over it...maybe they can pawn him off on someone during the offseason, but he's not helping that cause right now. that Furcal contract isn't looking so hot for them, either...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 11, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pagan?
Pagan is better than Pie?

Pagan has one tool... speed.  That is pretty much hit, though he has some occasional pop.

Pie is the far superior fielder (and it isn't even close), has just as much (if not more) pop, and has similar speed.  Pie's bat will come around.

I would MUCH rather see Pie playing than a healthy Pagan.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 11, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I shared a cab
with Zambrano lasts night!  I live about 5 miles away from Coors field, so last night I had a couple drinks after the game and decided to grab a cab home.  I flag one down get in and the driver asks me if I cared to split a cab with "another customer going in the same direction."  I didn't mind... So we pull around to the back end of the stadium, stop and who opens the door.. Big Z dressed to impress might I add.  Now I had no idea that ball players would take a cab back, let alone in an away game.  After Z was dropped off, the cabbie told me its pretty common for players to get a ride back to their hotel with taxi's most don't want to wait for the charter bus (which I guess takes forever).  Pretty cool way to end the night.
Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Aug 11, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

OMG!
How friggin' awesome!  I'm jealous.

I saw Big Z. outside of Wrigley Field after the Marquis game against the Brewers.  He was dressed to kill then also.  I wonder why the ball players do that (get all dressed up).  

by zevkalman on Aug 11, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

So - was he cool?
Did you play it cool?

Was he in good spirits?

How fun!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very cool
Pretty quiet cab ride.  I said hello, told him I was a huge fan, and this should be the year.  Got the typical response.  "one game at a time."  He seemed in good spirits.  I was pretty star struck to say the least though.  Big Z is exactly that though BIG.  Looks like David Ortiz-big up close.  Had a watch on that was probably worth more than my life... What a lifestyle huh?  We got to the hotel, I told him I'd be at all the games this weekend, and if he ever wanted to split another cab I'd be game.  He laughed and said bye.
Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Aug 11, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Side Note
The meter didn't start running until he got out of the cab.....
Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Aug 11, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Terrific deportment!
I'm sure he appreciated it. We place such a high "value" on celebrity in our world. But, if we strip all that stuff away - their one skill that makes them that way - we all have the same needs.

I am sure you do stuff really that he can't touch, right? ;-)

Anyway, that is a funny thing you closed the eve with!

What a great memory for you, dude!

 

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

what didn't ask about the arm slot?
Come on...you could have had the story..now Z tell me how did you rediscover the correct arm slot that increased your velocity and made your sinker heavy again?
Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 11, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cabbie didn't charge him?
Did Z at least tip him?

by Big Red on Aug 11, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z is cool
I've only seen him at public stuff but I know people who've seen him around town and they say he's very nice and always dressed to the nines.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I concur with this post.
I can't believe you got to be in the cab with Z!

If I ever share a cab with Z I think I might pass out or just sit in shock and forget that he's my favorite player.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Aug 11, 2007 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow!
now i'm kicking myself for taking the bus home from the game last night!

by anormal on Aug 11, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did people call Jones lazy?
Because smart player or not, he has never done anything but hustle since he got here.  Results not always great, but he has never dogged it.

I remember years ago when I was with frat brothers of a friend of mine and they were saying Shawon Dunston (who was going through one of his swing at every low outside breaking ball periods) was a lazy player.  I asked them if they could think of another reason they might call a guy who ran out every routine grounder like it was the last out of the World Series lazy.  Things got a little uncomfortable.  People don't like being called on their racism and my friend was later told, "Don't bring that liberal asshole around again."  

by TR on Aug 11, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Racism
I'm not sure that people have gotten on JJ's case because of racism.  Anyone reading BCB during each game will realize that some fans turn quickly on anyone who doesn't "perform".  Some people expect a hit at every at-bat.  And if someone is in a slump, some people start calling for their heads...

JJ has had additional problems because Hendry brought him into RF at a time the fans hoped for a first tier outfielder.  It's not JJ's fault, it's the front office fault for signing Jeremy Burnitz and JJ instead of Griffey or Beltran.

by zevkalman on Aug 11, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Regarding my post above
I didn't mean to imply your frat friends weren't racists, or that there is sometimes racism in how fans view certain players.  My main point above is that the majority of fans are not racist.

by zevkalman on Aug 11, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your point
I don't think most are either.  I just think if anyone were to call JJones lazy, they might want to look within themselves for a reason besides his being lazy because he's not.  He's definitely made some bonehead moves on the bases the past couple of years however.

by TR on Aug 11, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with both of you guys
But, as a frequent poster on this blog, I really can't remember much if anything questioning JJ's hustle.

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody that I recall...
...accused him of not hustling. JJ's problem was that he managed to create a perfect storm of criticism by simultaniously upsetting the traditionalists for a percieved lack of baseball IQ and upsetting the SABRistas with a lack of power and plate discipline.

That said, it'll be interesting to see if Jones's resurgent power is a product of Coors or if this sparks something and uncorks his more traditional power.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

As I noted...
... Coors isn't the launching pad it once was, although it's still way above average for HR.

Even if it's just "Coors Effect", at least we have two more games there!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's very true...
... and possibly part of the reason Cub HR are so far down this year.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

On a day when I am not so lazy
I would like to see the splits of Cub and opponents HR's @ Wrigley.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stay lazy!
The Cubs have 47, opponents 58. It's actually a more pronounced difference on the road, 45 to 62.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the grunt work.
So - indeed "home runs are down at Wrigley", but proportionately, the oposition hits 21% - roughly - more HR's than our guys.

That is very dismal.

And on the road, more than 30% more HR's! OY!!

If you had stated that at the beginning of the year, based on our roster, I'd say you have no idea what you're talking about!

How is this possible?!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder
what the wind blowing in/out figures are so far this year.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd almost have to have...
...a windsock hooked up to a computer to figure that out, as the wind changes in-game.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

True, but...
... there's always a game time wind speed and direction posted which is the "official" speed and direction for the game.

As you point out, that can change, but at least gives some basis for comparison.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The official speed/direction...
...data is a pain to parse, though. It's not something that one can simply dump into a spreadsheet and expect to parse. No, the traditional weapons of the sabermetrician -- the spreadsheet and the slide rule -- are of no use to use here. It'd probably take an XML parser, an SQL database and some Python/Perl script to do that, unless I just wanted to hand-compile the data. It's doable, but I haven't found anywhere online that compiles those sort of splits.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is definitely racism in baseball fans
I don't think it's so blatant as people hate all black/hispanic players but I think white players are given longer leashes to not do well.  

by JonH on Aug 11, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really
I guess you're right. Lou gave Murton an incredibly long leash this year, didn't he? Managers get paid to win; if they don't win, they get fired. Major league managers are going to play the guys who will win games for them period, no matter what color they are. Is there racism in baseball? Sure, just like there is racism everywhere else in society. We all have our personal prejudices, like it or not. But if you can play and help a team win games, you will play no matter what race you are.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa whoa whoa.
He said FANS, not MANAGERS.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure...
if the fans do that, but it's probably true. I just don't pay attention. I give everyone a long leash and if they start out well I give them an even longer leash.

I think the people that I might give a shorter leash to are bullpen guys.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Aug 11, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you have something against Bullpen guys!
How can you live with yourself?
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Aug 11, 2007 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad
that is probably true with some fans. Like I said, we all have prejudices of some sort. I couldn't care less what color or nationality Cub players are as long as they can win games. They're all Cubbie blue to me.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to claim
I'm going to claim fans hate Dempster and Murton because they hate redheads.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by puckishcubsfan on Aug 11, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

JJones
He has brought his avg. up from the .220's to .260 over the past month.  It has taken over a year for him to come around, but it is great to see.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 11, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

over a year?
He hit 27 HRs last year! He was "around" in 2006.

It took him half a season to come around.

by elgato on Aug 11, 2007 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keep making things up...
Took around a year?

Did you even watch the Cubs last year?  JJ hit .285 with 27 home runs last year.  His OPS was .833.

Please don't make things up...

by big_lowitzki on Aug 11, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really surprised..
that nobody has commented on that killer play that ended the game last night.  Derosa overthrew Lee in what I thought was a disastrous error - but fontenot sprinted to the ball, made a sliding pickup and fired a bullet to his fellow tiger infielder - Theriot to make the final spectacular out of the game.  

One of the more amazing plays I've seen to end a game.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Aug 11, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Poor Ronny Cedeno
He made the killer play - not Fontenot

by coral on Aug 11, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know,
Even though Cedeno entered the game, it was barely mentioned by the FSN Rky Mtn announcers during the double switch in the 8th...and I believe they identified Cedeno as Fontenot making the throw....

The duo was so pissed at the Rockies over-all play, I don't think they were too worried about properly identifying any Cubs who came into the game the game...

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 11, 2007 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I watched the play on Cubs.com after...
...the game, and they said Cedeno, I'm pretty sure.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right
I stand corrected - I was preoccupied for the last 4 innings of the game and stopped what i was doing to watch the last out or two - starting with Lee's awesome play to get the 2nd out.

Good for cedeno.  :)  We have a lot of quick little infielders.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Aug 11, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

JJ's head is right
I think JJ is feeling like part of the team again which is better than sitting in the back corner of the dugout.  I wouldn't say he is lazy, but he has acted like a player who doesn't feel he can quite measure up.  Maybe that Denver air can clear his head.

By the way, anyone else jealous of that beautiful bullpen at Coors field?  Every time the camera pans out there I expect our guys to be roasting hot dogs and making shadow puppets.

by coral on Aug 11, 2007 10:25 AM CDT reply actions  

Brenly says ...
If anyone spots salmon jumping in those Rocky Mountain spring waters out near the bullpens, he's making himself a fishin' stick and abandoning Len ...

The batter's eye is simply beautiful ... and the view of the mountains isn't so bad, either.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 11, 2007 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gorgeous Skyline
With my wife and sisters-in-law, I attended a evening Cubs game there last year in August.  We sat near the right field corner, upper deck, near a few other Cubs fans.  It was an average game, so I spent a great deal of time simply enjoying my tasty adult beverage and staring the gorgeous skyline.  It really is fantastic. - TL

by timlacy on Aug 11, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...
When they showed Marmol throwing it looked like he was out in the wilderness and not a bullpen.
"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Aug 11, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Good Marquis!
Solid Jason! WTG!

What a relief from the "Bi-Polar Betty".

If he can just go deep into games and go .500, that will be great down the stretch.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Well - I'll come up
with my own, then.

"Roller Coaster Ronny"?

"Up 'n Down Dan"?

"Good Twin/Evil Twin"?

"Shawn Estes II"? Actually, he's better than Shawn Estes. Scratch that.

"Jumpy Jason"?

or

"Mr. Good-Bad"

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Roller Coaster Ronny" LOL!
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about jason "question" Marquis
Will Ohman is eating onion rings in a diner. The door chimes as Lou Pinnella walks in. Slowly everything fades to black.

by jds2 on Aug 11, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like that, too, jds -
In fact, you COULD go with, "The Human Question Mark".

Or any derivative of your suggestion: "Question Marq-uis", et. al.!

Nice.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree
Very creative nickname...Question Marquis...Jason Question Marquis...

by zevkalman on Aug 11, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is clever
I like that one!
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 11, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No magic bullpen bullets for bullpens.
Hoffman (SD) blows a save, but Padres come back.

Wagner (NYMets) blows a save and Mets lose.

Gagne get shelled in 1/3 inning in 8th (charged with 4 runs) and Red Sox blow first game all year after leading in 8th.

So while we are crying, everyone has problems.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

The Red Sox...
better not lose their division or I will be so disappointed with them.

Stupid Yankees.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Aug 11, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.
Say, when you get to Boston for school, make sure you root hard for the Red Sox!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 11, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I will.
If I don't get the playoffs to go through here, I will seriously hate the Yankees.

The Yankees are ridiculous. If they won it would be their 10th straight division title right? God I'm so jealous. Let's go Red Sox.

"I don't talk. I just let what I do talk for myself." -Johan Santana

by sparkles721 on Aug 11, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis
pitched well, nice to see. I still don't have much confidence in him. If he can string three or four good starts together maybe I will change my tune. I thought Lou made a great move getting him out of the game after the beaning. He was obviously flustered by it and we all know how Marquis can melt down quickly. Marmol didn't have it last night but Howry did a great job minimizing the damage in the 8th. The emergence of Kendall and Jones has been nice to see as well. Funny thing, I was sitting there during a Jones AB last night wondering how long it had been since he had homered. A few pitches later, he hit one out. I think Len said his last one was June 1st. Wow.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 11:45 AM CDT reply actions  

MARQUIS
Folks we must have more faith in Marquis..this guy is a real gamer.  He won the decisive game against Milwaukee after the Cubs got squashed
13-4 giving up only 1 run in 7 innings.  He beat Cub killer Branden Webb, and now has recent wins against Philly and now at Coors.  Colorado had not lost 2 games in a row at home since May 30.
Marquis was very sharp and had that ground ball machine cookin on his sinker..if we are going anywhere in the post-season we must have Marquis pitching like he's capable, and I believe he can come through..NOTE:  Marquis has an earned run average at like 2 when he pitches after Cub losses.

by ItCouldBEmightBEitIS on Aug 11, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marmol's outing
wasn't as poor as people think. In the 8th the first two guys got on base with whack infield contact; yeah the walk hurt him, but it was great how he got the last out for Marquis with guys on first and third in the 7th.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 11, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends
on how you look at his outing. No, he wasn't hit hard, but he had poor command of his pitches. He also should have made a play on the ball hit back at him. He just didn't look sharp.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been said many times
that we're not as good as we look when we're winning or as bad as we look when losing. So, after personally watching the team look terrible in Houston, it's nice to see the turnaround.

However, it seems this team is built to play in a field like Coors. Big outfields with plenty of gaps for singles hitters. For whatever reason we do not have a power team this year. What we do have is a team with good speed that makes good contact.

And while the recent improvement in the team can't be tied down to Pie's appearance, I think it's no small coincidence that the energy level of the players is markedly up since he got back. Then there's the fact that the last two days we've scored early which takes a big load off of the pitchers.

Now we have Hill and Marshall coming up and neither has had good run support lately. They both deserve wins for what they've been put through by the offense. Let's hope it happens.

Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Aug 11, 2007 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Jones
is batting .425 over his last 10 games. I'm speechless.

by cubs2234 on Aug 11, 2007 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I really
just don't get the Pie lovefest around here. Yes, he may turn out to be a great player but he isn't one right now. He is hitting .215 folks, took an o-fer last night and made a bad defensive play in center. If the team has had a better record when he is around, it is strictly coincidence in my opinion. Again, I can see the potential in the guy, but I wouldn't play him much the rest of the way if I were Lou. He just hasn't produced enough to warrant the playing time. If Murton stays hot until Soriano returns, I'd stick with Sori, Jones and Murton for the most part in the outfield.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

soriano won't be back for almost a month,
pagan is on the dl. who do you suggest we put out there now? it's fine to say that sori, jones, and murton are our best option, but we have a lot of games left to play before sori comes back and pie is, in my opinion, the best option for right now in center field. floyd, our only other option, has been slumping at the plate and is not a very good fielder. i think we might as well let pie play till soriano comes back and see if he (pie) can figure it out.

by anormal on Aug 11, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

why Podsednik or Stewart are targets
This moves Jones back to CF, probably Murton to RF and Podsednik or Stewart to LF and leadoff...

Floyd might play a bit in RF...(Patterson is returned to AAA until possibly Sept 1st)

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 11, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Murton and Jones keep hitting...
...like they have been recently (or I should say ROUGHLY as well, because I seriously doubt either of them have actually become '05 Albert Pujols, nor would I hold them to that standard) Cliff Floyd won't see the field unless Felix Pie just COMPLETELY tanks it.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

There aren't
many other options right now so he will have to play. My point was what to do when Soriano comes back. But I certainly don't think we should be pumped about being basically forced to play Pie regularly right now. A lot of people around here were bitching about not getting any offense out of the catchers position for so long this season. Why is it OK to have an outfielder hitting .215? Time will tell I guess and I certainly hope he proves me wrong.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie may only be hitting .215
but we have to remember that he has been constantly changing his approach to hitting this year based on what Lou and Gerald Perry see.  I think you have to be encouraged by the last couple of games.  Thursday hitting a couple of double hard and even last night he hit a bullet to first, hit a ball hard to center, struck out on a questionable pitch and had a good at bat after being down 0-2.  He's a work in progress but he will never achieve his potential unless he plays at the major league level everyday.
Once they tried to steal my heart, beat it right outta my head But baby they didn't know that I was born dead I am the iceman, fighting for the right to live

by sandbergformanager on Aug 11, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rox broadcast had an overhead
view of the strike three on Pie and even the Rox broadcasters were left saying, "Cook earned that call as a veteran pitcher" (ha ha) as the ball was shown to cross over the inside edge of the LH batter's box.  That is a pitch that Pie should always take.  

It was an awful call by the ump.  Though Pie was called out, that kind of call won't happen very often (hopefully).  

I am one of those BCB posters that likes Pie's energy and want him on the team and want him playing.  I do think there is something to the stat about the Cub's record when Pie appears in games (now 37-19, I believe).  

The bad play in CF last night had more to do with the fact that he is playing too deep at Coors.  I don't understand it, but that is not his decision.  That is where the bench positions him.

Pie will make more good plays in CF versus screw ups and I think his hitting will come around with more playing time.  

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 11, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your replies
are what I am talking about. You make excuses for him. Pitch wasn't a strike, made the bad play in center because the coaches are making him play deep, hit some balls hard etc. I didn't hear any excuses for Jones when he was going badly. Pie has a lot of tools and I think he will be a good player. He is a poor option right now in my opinion. Considering we are in the heat of a division title race with less than 50 games remaining, I don't think this is the time to let Pie "come around with more playing time." We need offensive production badly and he just hasn't provided that so far. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Again, I hope he goes on a tear and proves me wrong. Despite differences of opinion, I know all of us here ultimately want the same thing.

by qccub on Aug 11, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie was brought up to roam the vast land
that is Coors Outfield.
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by Imtrejo on Aug 11, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Marquis.....best 5th starter mid-level 3rd
Marquis is okay, he is 9-7 (4.18 ERA, 1.33 WHIP) last ten games he has pitched Cubs are 6-4...(4-4 and 2 ND),

Bad games are really bad...NYM 5-ER (5.1-IP) cubs lost 8-3; STL 6-ER (5-IP) Cubs lost 11-1; Pit 6-ER (4.2 IP) Cubs lost 8-4;  Tex 6-ER (5-IP) Cubs lost 7-3.

Good games: Mil 1-ER (7-IP) Cubs won 5-1; AZ 2-ER (7.2-IP) Cubs won 6-2; Phil 3-ER (6-IP) Cubs won 7-3; CO 0-ER (6.2-IP) Cubs won 6-2

The other games Cubs won ND against CO 3-ER (5.2-IP) Cubs won 10-9 and Houston 6-ER (4-IP) Cubs won 7-6.

He projects out to 12-10 with almost 200-IP.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 11, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Humidors
Juice aside, I think humidors are being used throughout the league nowadays, and not just at Coors.  I think that's a huge reason why were seeing power numbers down league wide.

If you didn't catch the Mythbusters baseball special on this I suggest you check it out.  it really shows that it can be the difference  between an out to short or a bloop single.  

I'm not afraid of anything. to be honest with you, I kicked some dirt on a guy and that was it.

by bmeteor on Aug 11, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

So, do the players store their
Cubans in there too? Cohibas? Romeo Y Julieta?
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never liked the Cuban Cohibas...
...as much as their reputation. Romeo y Julietas aren't too bad, although I prefer the Montecristos. All in all, I think there's a forbidden-fruit appeal to Cuban cigars that exceeds the actual quality difference between them and their Dominican counterparts.

Although the fact that I have a stash of Cubans at home and don't have any Dominicans around the house could lead you to believe that I'm something of a hypocrit in saying that. Maybe.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 11, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my limited experience...
I would tend to agree with you whole heartedly. A hand-rolled Dominican of top quality is an excellent cigar!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Scott Pods any better than
what the team currently has???

He has experience. Speed - sure. Check - we have it already.

He WAS a Brewer - HUGE Brewers series coming up end of Aug.

NO POWER!

I don't get it unless we trade Wil Oh-Man!

Clue me in, peeps...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 11, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The clue about Pods
is that it's more than just the speed....
It's knowledge of HOW to use it along with the not-so-common gift of being able to read pitchers and knowing WHEN to use it.

And when he's dialed in with his hitting (like JJ and the rest are right now), he DOES have the ability to hit fairly consistently.
And he can play okay defensively, with his ability to cover alot of OF real estate QUICKLY adding to the good about him.

The problem(s) with Pods are well known: he gets injured alot and and therefore spends alot of time on the DL.
Which is why I believe that if he does come over, he will likely not be there after the season.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 11, 2007 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are other problems...
he's not a good hitter, and despite his speed many consider him to be a pretty poor defensive player.

And I think the injury issue should be a MAJOR red flag.  He's had a series of groin/hernia/leg problems.  For a speed guy who relies on acceleration, those are the types of injuries that continue to haunt you.  And without his speed, he brings pretty much nothing else to the table.

by SouthernCub on Aug 11, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was very happy
for Marquis last night. I like him and when he struggles it breaks my heart. Hope he continues to do better each outing.

I'm also pretty damn happy for JJ and Murton. Hope they continue to stay hot.

Will Ohman is being a real cry baby. I do not doubt he is a great husband and father but he is not teaching his children how to be a good sport.

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 11, 2007 6:16 PM CDT reply actions  

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