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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Rockies, Sunday 8/12, 2:05 CT

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As we discussed yesterday, there's no Scott Podsednik to the Cubs deal. Never was, in fact, despite the headline on that link, which reads: "Rumored deal for Podsednik dead". The article explains:

One source suggested the chances were never better than "one in a thousand" from the outset.
Exactly. So don't believe everything you hear on sports talk radio. Or read. Consider this article by Gordon Wittenmyer in today's Sun-Times, which discusses Lou Piniella's idea to use Ryan Dempster in situations other than closing, to get him some more consistent work, and then says:
The move could be a precursor to Piniella moving Dempster to the starting rotation, possibly next spring, as he planned to in May, with Marmol getting a shot at closer.
That's directly contradicted by this interview Wittenmyer conducted last Friday with Dempster, which has this exchange:
Q: Has there been any more talk about you becoming a starter?

A: No. None at all.

Q: Would you still like to return to being a starter?

A: For right now, I just worry about trying to go out and do my job. I honestly don't think about it. It doesn't make sense to sit there and concern myself with that when I'm trying to do my job for the rest of this year.

As we all know, returning Dempster to the rotation would be a really, really bad idea. Why do these things get stirred up, especially now, in the middle of a pennant race?
 Today's Starting Pitchers
Sean Marshall
 S. Marshall
Cubs		 vs. Tim Harikkala
 T. Harikkala
Rockies
5-6 W-L making
4.17 ERA his
52 SO 2007
23 BB season
8 HR debut
vs. Col -- vs. Cubs
This is a joke, right? A 36-year-old pitcher who hasn't been in the major leagues in two years, and hasn't started a major league game in eleven years, is going to start today for the Rockies?

I checked their Triple-A roster. There's not a whole lot of there there, as Gertrude Stein might have said (and that quote seems appropriate, given the Oakland A's cap that Harikkala is sporting in the photo above). Elmer Dessens? Dan Serafini? Dave Veres?!?!?! What are they trying to do, reconstitute the 1999 Rockies? Or, even worse, the 1999 Cubs?

To repeat what I said in the game recap earlier this morning, you well know how the Cubs do against pitchers like this.

Sean Marshall has never faced the Rockies. Harikkala has two lifetime relief appearances against the Cubs, both in 2005. The only Cub who'll play today that he's faced for more than one at-bat is Jason Kendall (1-for-2).

So there's not much to go on in terms of predicting today's starting pitcher performance. Marshall got lit up in his last start against the Astros, pushing his ERA over 4 for the first time this season.

Today, you can find the game on WGN, and also at the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Astros game

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Go Cubs.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 11:42 AM CDT reply actions  

I still say --
We win this and make it 3 of 4, but I understand the caution here. However -- it's more likely this guy is bombed out in the first.

If he was a rookie, just up -- then I'd be worried. That's when, traditionally, there are problems. But a guy who should be in a slow-pitch softball league in Elgin? The Rocks are desperate today. This could be a blow out for the Cubs.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

This could be a blow out for the Cubs.
Jazz Man - that would be nice, and I would agree.

May all our guesses be right...  :-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Familiar?
What are the chances we take first pitch hacks at this guy and get nothing from it?

I don't know why but I'd rather have us play against a 12 game winner...we seem to have better chances.

I don't want to seem pessimistic but let's be honest---this is how we've been playing.

by ak123 on Aug 12, 2007 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Quick question
did the cubs ever sign Vitters?  When is the deadline to sign him if he isn't already signed
GO CUBS GO!!!!!!

by roach on Aug 12, 2007 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

not yet....
but from what i have read he will be signed by next week. sounds like it is a sure bet. august 15th is the deadline. there are still many first round picks who havent signed. all or most 1st rounders are expected to sign except rick porcello

by bennyha on Aug 12, 2007 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

When's the last time the wild card was this tight
In mid August?

ARI 67/51
NYM 64/52
MIL 62/55
SDN 62/54
ATL 62/55
PHL 61/55
CHC 60/56
COL 60/56
LAD 60/56

Yes, I included the division leaders on purpose.

'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Aug 12, 2007 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I've never seen...
... nine teams within 5.5 games of each other like this, this late in the season. It'll make for an interesting September.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harikkala
Let's not make this guy the feel-good story of the day. Score some runs, boys!
"When I was a boy they were my pride and joy, but now they only bring fatigue."

by Shawon Dunston Checks In on Aug 12, 2007 12:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's not make this guy the feel-good story
Word.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

i hope
this pitcher shuts us out and goes the distance.
Here comes the nasty leftie to shut it down in the 9th......Clay Rapada!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Aug 12, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh ...
Reverse psychology or someone's got a death wish ...

Go, Cubbies!

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 12, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

off day tommarow
could not come at a better time
I continue to blog...despite the barking shoulder

by jds2 on Aug 12, 2007 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree, Al
I too get nervous when the Cubs face first-timer rookies - or vets.

It seems as if their success rate is worse than 50-50, although I do not know this to be a fact.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

It's time
we went out and showed this Les Walrond wannabe that he better not quit his night job.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Aug 12, 2007 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep.
The Cubs have scuffled long enough with these types of jokers. This yokel shouldn't make it out of the second inning, even without Rammy and the Fonz. Time for the Cubs to shrug off yesterday and bust a game wide open early.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will freak out if this RH pitcher
suddenly comes out throwing LH.  I can't believe the Rox didn't go all the way down into the bowels of their farm system to find a lefty, given our inability to beat unknown lefties.

If we see this guy warmng up lefty, we are finished!  Let's be careful out there...

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 12, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't matter.
I'm tired of being scared of junkballing lefties, too. This guy is a 36-year-old career minor leaguer for a reason: he can't get ML hitters out. The Cubs need to stomp a mudhole in his butt and walk it dry.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now that's
a flashy description. Bravo.
Josh Kroeger. Remember the name. Stay tuned for the fame.

by tharr on Aug 12, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they wanted a Les Walrond type..
... as I noted, Dan Serafini is on that Colorado Springs roster. He last started a ML game in 2003.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I'm off to Disneyland....
...hopefully there won't be any Mickey Mouse play from the Cubs today.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 12, 2007 1:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Why is Brewers game delayed?
Yahoo shows Brewers/Astros delayed. It can't be weather
so anyone know what it is?
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Aug 12, 2007 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe they had to recast
Ryan Braun's concrete mitt.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't know ...
Woody is just finishing his warm-up pitches ... and the Stros are in the field ...

Go.  Astros.  

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 12, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if they'll mention the sudden
uptick in HR's for his Biggio-ness that came curiously late in his career...Maybe in honor of his special day, the Brew Crew pitchers should plunk him every AB and make him the HBP king.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last night when Rich Hill plunked that guy
in the dome with the slow curve, I actually thought to myself that if threw that same pitch at Biggio's dome, it would stick to that Stick'em infested helmet of his.  That would be funny.

I don't like seeing a guy plunked in the head, but I don't think a slow curve at 70 mph actually does much to the head/helmet.  And in the case of Biggio, I think there is a good chance it would stick to the helmet.  Would the ump have to kick Biggio out of the game for having a foreign substance on his helmet--something he obviously has, but something the umps never called him on?

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 12, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineups
Lineups

Cubs
Theriot, SS
Jones, RF
Lee, 1B
Murton, LF
DeRosa, 3B
Fontentot, 2B
Kendall, C
Pie, CF
Marshall, P

Rox
Matsui, 2B
Tulowitzki, SS
Holliday, LF
Helton, 1B
Atkins, 3B
Spilborghs, RF
Barmes, CF
Gil, C
Harikkala, P

by Bruce Miles on Aug 12, 2007 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wierd lineup for the Rox.
Barmes in CF and KazMat leading off? Does Barmes really have the wheels to cover the CF? Especially with a Jewel/Osco bagboy pitching for the Rox today...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.
That's really weird.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's almost like they're daring the Cubs
to try and smack the ball into the gaps. Barmes better have his track shoes on.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 12, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou should fine anyone a ton of money
who makes a first pitch out the first time through the order today.  The Cubs have to take pitches and see what the elderly gentleman is bringing up from AARP, errr AAA.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 12, 2007 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Yikes
I suddenly feel veerrrrryyy old.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

good call
Big Z on Cuban: "Plus, I can be signed by him. You know, I know he has the money for me. Hopefully he can buy the Cubs."

by kylejo on Aug 12, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's do it
today Cubs, make Harikkala pay. Pitch well Marshall.

GO CUBS!!!

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Why can the Brewers hit Woody Williams
and we couldn't.  They lead 1-0 on a Jenkins homer, with one out and one on in the 2nd.

by zevkalman on Aug 12, 2007 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Harikkala!!
Sounds like my cat yacking up a hairball.  No offense to the "elderly" pitcher.  Wouldn't want to get an opposing pitcher's dander up.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions  

floyd out, ward in
bereavement list due to father's taking a turn for worse back in chicago apparently acc. to wgn pre-game with Corey P. and Ron S...hope the sr. Mr. Floyd gets better thought he was earlier this summer...cliff can come back strong and help us but not if his mind is elsewhere.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 12, 2007 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry to hear about Cliff's dad.
I imagine when he comes back from that list (which really should be called the "family leave list"), Patterson will be sent down.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to
hear about Cliff's dad. Len said he is gravely ill.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

helton...
looks like he can barely run.  he practically shuffled into the dugout.  back spasms suck...

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

rough year for cliff
I wonder if this is affecting him at the plate?
I continue to blog...despite the barking shoulder

by jds2 on Aug 12, 2007 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't imagine it doesn't.
n/t
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by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 12, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way off topic today, kinda
but, I went to the Diamondbacks game Fri night and they played a great game. Livon Hernandez had one inning where he lost it a bit and gave up 3 consecutive jacks, but the D Backs can play long ball, small ball and really good defense. They are streaky and have been winning and in 1st place solidly, but if the Cubs play them in the playoffs (if we get there) they will have their hands full. Plus, the 'Backs always beat us anyway.
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 12, 2007 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Tulowitski's ...
Name should be enough for him to get on the All-Madden team ...

So far, a good job by Marshall ... well, until he hit Holladay.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 12, 2007 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

This is
the third game in a row that out pitchers have hit a batter.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

2-0 Brewers, top 4
Jenkins homered again.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Ouch...runners left OB again....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I know
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can not keep letting this AARP card
carrying pitcher off the hook.  Next time through the order, we have to get some runs...lots of runs!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And what is even worse
is getting the AARP crap in the mail when you are nowhere near their group, age-wise. I see this stuff in my box and want to scream..

GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Pie...
...bails out to avoid being hit by... a called strike.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

As highly as Murton is touted on this site
by some and destroyed by others, he's a good player but probably should not bat clean-up
2007 Stats: AVG/OBP/SLG
.268/.341/.399     with runners on .206/.286/.286
given small sample size career numbers
.296/.365/.450     with runners on .246/.346/.410

i feel like this is just me venting after a GIDP in the first innning but seriously, I'm not saying he's not a major leaguer but he should be hitting lower even in our line up

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

That won't last.
Obviously, Ramirez hits cleanup when he returns. There's no other obvious choice to hit 4th in this lineup.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know it won't last
its just aggravating to see him hit solo shots and produce nothing from the 4 spot

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would help the issue greatly...
...if Lee would show some production out of the three-spot. It's hard to clean up when the best hitter on the team won't leave anything on the table for you.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although recently DLee has been slumping
criticizing the guy with the highest BA and OBP on the team with over 100 ABs for not extending an inning is not really a problem. The stats i showed was Murton's lack of production from any spot in the lineup with runners on and they drop further with RISP

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

even if it doesn't last
DeRosa should be hitting clean-up over Murton.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you, this was basically my point
DeRosa's stats this year: AVG/OBP/SLG
.286/.362/.417  with runners on .327/.405/.439
the numbers actually go up

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs will get
to this guy. Funny thing, he pitched a game or two  for Lou in Seattle. Odds are Piniella probably doesn't have a clue who he is.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Among the players...
... who played in the game Harikkala started for Seattle were:

Joey Cora
Alex Gonzalez (the future Cub)
Edgar Martinez
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Carlos Delgado
Alex Rodriguez

and

Joe Carter

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

shoot
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Redbirds up 8-2 in third
if we lose and they hold serve, they will have picked up 3 games in 2 weeks. egad
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 12, 2007 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

marshall
come on dude.  can't blame that one on instinct.  that's just dumb.

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

that's just dumb
Agreed...he should have let his D behind him get that one....would have been an out.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game is going to require
more beer than I currently have.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

UNREAL.
1st base ump = my new nemesis

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 2:43 PM CDT reply actions  

How could Theriot have touched the base
if he didn't do what he did? Too strange. I guess you just barrel into Helton, and seperate your shoulder.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

We should only be down 1 run right now....
argh...

THESE - are the kind of things that kill momentum and can result in even worse results for the game.

I just hope we can suck it up and move on.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

ahh..it shouldn't really
if we are not trying our best to make out a Cy Young out of this clown of a pitcher this afternoon. runners on 1st and 2nd, 1 out and Murton hits into a DP..these are the kinds of things that slow down the momentum.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

1 out and Murton hits into a DP..
okay...how 'bout this:
ALL these things are bad.   :-)
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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to make sure you
know that we have to score some runs to win this game.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

2007 Chicago Cubs
Jekyll and Hyde
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 12, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Typical Cubs game if we lose
We have 4 hits, no runs. The have 2 hits, 2 runs. Better change that around today!
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Aug 12, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

anybody else think
That this would have been a good day to start D-Ward in left today and hit him cleanup? I mean, he hasn't played in 20 straight games like everybody else.

Not to get into a big Murton debate, but I have a lot more confidence in Ward when runners are in scoring position.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Ward's defense is best described as...
..."statuesque," and would be wildly overexposed in Coors Field.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough
I just cringe when Murton is up in pressure situations.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is in only because
We have so many injuries otherwise Murton hitting cleanup is a joke.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

the injuries are unfortunate
But they don't mean Lou HAS to hit Murton cleanup. I'd say JJ or DeRosa would be better options.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRosa is 2-2
If Murton was 2-2, we'd at least have a tie game right now.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

True..
as Bob just said Lou's printer might be broke, so he is using the same lineup for a change.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as the Rockies'
hitters promise to hit the ball right to Ward within 15 feet of where he anchors himself to the LF turf.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It would have been nice to start D Ward
and bat him cleanup, but not in left although Murton's defense today hasn't been positive or negative I would not like to see Ward on that Barmes double, maybe give DLEE the day off, probably should have bat DeRosa cleanup today though

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great catch JJ!!
I think he's got some new sunglasses on...   :-)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The humidor at Coors...
...only keeps the ball from traveling as far. It does nothing to address the other reason pitchers hate Coors Field: the dry, thin air makes it difficult for breaking balls to actually break. For guys like Carlos Zambrano with a plus fastball and a nice sinker that's not so bad. For flyball/curveball pitchers like Hill/Marshall it's a death sentence.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because the Rockies have to live...
...with Coors Field all the time, they tend to avoid installing guys that rely heavily on curveballs and on flyball outs into their starting rotation. Wrigley (this year) is a great place for guys like that to make a living, so normally it pays off for us.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like hill did last night in the 6th
curveball starts to flatten (threw a beauty to helton, but the others were sitting ducks) and has to rely on his fastball.  let's have a big inning here to give him a break and let him regroup!

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah...and so much for our getting to Harikkkup
early on...   (sigh)
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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 2:56 PM CDT reply actions  

We need some
runs this at bat. Come on Cubs!!!
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

2-1 Brewers
Biggio solo HR.
Let's go Stros.

by GoCubsGo! on Aug 12, 2007 2:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Biggio homer
2-1 brewers...  for now
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Aug 12, 2007 3:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly what Al and I were afraid of...
No-name, or rookie pitcher on a spot start looking like Cy Young.

Blech.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

he's pitched three scorless innings
and that's the end of that.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just waiting
for the first base ump to call DRo out!
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 12, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

deja vu
all over again.  1st and 2nd, no outs.
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by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:02 PM CDT reply actions  

deja vu
Yeah...Len even said: "have we seen this movie before?"
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woohoooooooooooooooooo
Different ending to this movie.
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different ending to this movie.
Word.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

MONEY.
that's some managing right there!

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 3:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Time for Pie to
keep it going here...
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Wouldn't that have been
an easy out without the hit and run?
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Good job Kendall
Pie  make some contact.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

big at bat for Pie
need a productive out at the very least because pitcher's spot up next

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

2-2
Come on Cubs!!
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what I'm talkinn' about!
Finally!

YEs!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

ohbabyohbabyohbabyohbabyohbaby!!!!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

The Riot
this kid is somethin else.
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 12, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

this kid is somethin else
Umm...yeah...he's a RIOT!  

(Sorry...your post was scripted for that response and I couldn't resist...sorry for my goofiness)
:-)

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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Schnikes..
Our singles machines are on full speed again!!!
3-2 Cubs

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Riot!
BTW, if Murton makes the last out of the inning, I vote that he gets sent to Iowa.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Kucky for
us your vote doesn't count.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

come on
He's had a bad day at the plate. I root for the guy, but he's been disappointing today.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, so CLEARLY when a guy...
...has had one or two bad at-bats we should immediately come to a decision about his talents as a baseball player.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

but he's been disappointing today
But you suggested he gets sent down for that in your post...

remember that we can't read your mind - only what's in words here.
So if you're kidding when you say such a thing, perhaps maybe you should indicate that you are?

Just a suggestion to ease misunderstanding...

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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point
I wasn't saying he actually should be sent down. But he shouldn't be hitting cleanup even with the current string of injuries, and if he wants to keep getting playing time when Sori comes back, he needs to show Lou he can deliver with RISP.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

he needs to show Lou he can deliver
Aww, come on, man!
Let's not mince words here....

He needs to show US he can deliver....Lou don't mean jack - he's just the manager!   hehehe

:-)

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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lucky, too
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am more concerned about how he makes the out
rather than if he makes the out. In the first inning he looked like he was mopping the floor with that swing when he hit into a DP.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So
are we sending JJ down then?
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 12, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

uh, no
JJ has nine hits in the series. Murton is hitting 0-for-200 with RISP.

And I'm exaggerating for effect.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: And I'm exaggerating for effect.
Thanks for the clarification.
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey
without it, some stat head might try to prove me wrong by saying he's 10 for 197.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually it's 7 for 39.
But what's an order of magnitude between friends?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh
Like I said, he shouldn't be hitting cleanup. There are any number of better options in the lineup today.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Small.
Sample.

Size.

His career splits with RISP are .258/.352/.359. This is a case where overreacting to a small number of at-bats can lead to rash decisionmaking.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

"ouch"?
7 for 39 is below .200.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's why he said "Ouch"
For some I guess Matt Murton can keep hitting 7 for 39 or 14 for 78 and he still is the second coming of Babe Ruth.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

the second coming of Babe Ruth
Hey man - if you put those rose-colored glasses on you'll see him AS babe Ruth...    :-P
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

:-) hehehe
messin' dude....messin'....   :-)
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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bwahahaha!
Stop it - yer KILLIN' me!!!   LOL
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am just messing with ya.
I know dude...I really WAS laughing....VERY HARD in fact!   :-)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I meant
ouch as in "that's pretty crappy."  I'm sorry that I offended you by agreeing with you.
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope you offended the Matt Murton disciples
by thinking below .200 is not Awesome for Hercules Murton.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am far from a Murton disciple
My criticism of him started this thread.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh
did you really not pick up the sarcasm in my comment?
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 12, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, I got the sarcasm
I knew you weren't serious. But then, I wasn't really serious either with my original post. I was exaggerating to make a point.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Single them to death
yes!!!!
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Aug 12, 2007 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Keep pushing this merry-go-round, guys.
This is fun.
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

You just know
TheRiot will come through!

by andysilv on Aug 12, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

The Riot
is the freaking man.  I hope we still see him there at SS in 10 years.
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I told you
we'd get this Herick-a-something. Matter of time.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh me of little faith
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

referencing earlier in the week
if a 4 run lead is like a 1 or 2 run lead in Coors is this like a 1/4 or 1/2 run lead?

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Why take him out
I was just starting to like this guy.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Aug 12, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Man! What would we do for ONE
HR in one of these RISP situations?

Damn Brewers!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Now that the AARP experiment is over...
I would love to see a little thump out of the Cubs.

I'll say "please!"

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 12, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHA!!
LMAO!

Excellent point.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt Herges is OLDER
than Harickalskdlkadfljasdfa or whatever it is

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is still only one
Cy Young and it appears now as if this guy is not him.

Yes!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a question, if anyone can answer it:
What other baseball teams have home caps that are different from their away caps?
"Ohmygodicantbelievewereonlyonehalfgameoutandhavethechancetotieforthedivisionleadwithawintonight!" - santoswoodenlegs

by NittanyCub on Aug 12, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Orioles?
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astros?
Don't they wear both a red and a black one?
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cardinals
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Aug 12, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Padres, Mets Tigers
"SD" is in Gold, not white

However, I think the Mets have 3 caps they wear anytime

"D" is orange on the road

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Im pretty sure the Athletics do as well
different color brims or bills or wahtever you call it

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks all
"Ohmygodicantbelievewereonlyonehalfgameoutandhavethechancetotieforthedivisionleadwithawintonight!" - santoswoodenlegs

by NittanyCub on Aug 12, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Cards, as mentioned
black on the road (better looking, too) and that 3rd cap with the bird on a bat

Twins?

Do they wear "TC" at home "M" on the road?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

3 caps for Indians
Navy w/red bill, all navy (worn anytime) and one with an "I" in script for...Sunday? with a different uniform, where wahoo moves to the uni?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Who
is wearing Jacque's uniform today?
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ MUST have new sunglasses...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

does it seem ...
like Lou goes out to the mound without making a pitching change more than Dusty did?

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm gonna say (guess) he
does it more than any other manager in baseball.
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 12, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sometimes just laugh HARD at Lou..
the way he walks Soooooo Slooooow out to the mound with his head hangin' low with a deep sigh during the trip....    lol
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Yup.
Berkman HR in bottom of 8th.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 12, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fielder was tossed
for arguing a strike call.
"Harlem Furniture......You'll like our style!"

by Imtrejo on Aug 12, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Bases clogged...
Eeek.
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 12, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions  

To be honest
It's time for some other team to take a flyer at Wood. We've all seen enough. No more of this.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 12, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sh*t
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 12, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply actions  

hooof ..why can't these Rox hit 90 feet at a time
like us or hit into a DP with the bases loaded..Dang..

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

We need their MAtt Murton up
i don't know if they have one but i hope it this next guy

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

You got it..
since it is their Murton..he popped out..Ours would have hit the ball real hard into the ground..

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

4-2 Astros
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 12, 2007 3:58 PM CDT reply actions  

HAAAAWW-KIIIINNNSSS!!
just trying to do my part
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 12, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing good comes from Kerry Wood
Since his call up:

Soriano Out
Ramirez Out
Pagan Out
Our Record 2 - 5

by louslovechild on Aug 12, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I loathe
LaTroy Hawkins. Straight up loathe.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, but St. Louis
is winning big. I can't think of a worse outcome than the f-ing Cardinals swooping in and winning the division.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

getting nauseated just thinking about it
All those self-righteous fans talking about how the Cards "know how to win."

Maybe we can tip the DEA to raid their clubhouse.

by elgato on Aug 12, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

suckitude...
Umm....I prefer the term "sucketh-ness"...
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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone again is doing our work
...yeah...wouldn't it be nice if WE could do our work at the same time that someone ELSE does it for us...?

Doh!...does that constitue an oxymoran?

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by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Shakespeare....
did you mean "Oxymoron"?
But yes, it would be good if we can win some when the Brew Crew loose.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you mean "Oxymoron"?
Yep...but I didn't want anyone to think I was calling them a name...   hehehe   :-)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just figured he was refering
to the Cardinal fan on another cubsite holding a sign that said something like "you morans."  
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://desipio.com/
Top of the page.
"Signature must be less than 160 characters" -- Who has a name with 160 characters?

by BlueSox on Aug 12, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...I was actually concerned...
...why do you need to turn it into something like this?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey forget about those concerns..
How about posting something for a change rather than hitting the Reply link all the time and trying to act smart? Now be concerned about that

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow....
Well...thanks anyway...
Actually thought we could be nice to each other...

Silly me...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can man..
Did you take off your rose colored glasses? No seriously we can be nice. Go Cubs!!!

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you take off your rose colored glasses?
Nope - you've officially shattered them.

Like I said...silly me...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

A split is not bad out there
But - coming on the heels of thre straight losses, plus a dismal home stand, is just very poor timing.

- sigh -

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

tuff day
for Matt. :(
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah..these invincible Rox pitchers
and he also might have a boo boo somewhere.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like dismal....
Matt's been reading all the bad stuff people say about him on BCB and he's going into a slump...

(sigh)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 12, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOOD
You're not going to be successful starting an inning by walking a guy batting .000, then giving up a guy's first major league hit..hum, wonder if this is what we'd expect from Wood in tight game..I sure hope not

by ItCouldBEmightBEitIS on Aug 12, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions  

it ain't over yet!
if the bullpen holds, 3 runs isn't that much in this ballpark.  (knock on wood)

by PrincetonCubs on Aug 12, 2007 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe someone will hit a
Home Run?
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slip slidin' Away...
Slip Slidin' Away...

You know the nearer your destination The more you're slip slidin' away.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Where can I find stats
on Kendall throwing out runners trying to steal?  
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

You do not need to look
this one up.

He is 0-Cubs

0%

Over 25 attempts, I believe. But he was not signed for his strong arm.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I asked
I can't remember him throwing anybody out.  I am aware that we didn't sign him for his arm, but moreso despite his arm.  However, shouldn't more be expected from a major league catcher-even with below average defense?

I'm a fan of Kendall and I do appreciate his offense while he has been with our club but it seems as though any steal attempt is nearly automatic with him behind the dish.  

He might be better off using the pitcher as a cut-off man :-)

Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA! If you mention that here...
You'll get flamed and "experts" will tell you that the steals are mostly the pitcher's fault, not our guys.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing Ground
We have not been playing with the kind of urgency necessary in August. Too many mistakes, RISP failures, walks, and mental errors. We are most definitely still in it, but unless those problems turned around, the Cards will pass us on their way to the Brewers.
I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope so Kenny
I really do. All teams are fatigued and what troubles me is the lack of one of our stars stepping up their game. Sori (even prior to injury), DLEE, A-Ram...

All funked at the same time.

Geesh.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I can see maybe one, perhaps two of our stars having a lull, BUT ALL THREE - PLUS OUR ACE!

I just don't understand. And I am not being facitious, I really don't know what happens.

I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha ha ha
It's really funny these days when someone wants to criticize our team they remember to add - "We are most definitely still in it". I think this is like a defense against all the eternal optimists who might be just itching to flame.

Anyways you are right, we are making way too many mistakes and with some key players injured and DLee in a slump it won't take a long time for us to construct sentences without including - "We are most definitely still in it."

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only does
the team need a day off but I do too.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Help!
I never played baseball, couldn't hit a fastball, but those of you that have, especially anyone who played professionally, could you answer me a question I have had for years.

What happens to a baseball team, or individual player, that causes them to suddenly lose it after playing so well? I mean, look at Fontenot, what in the world has happened to him? He was a good, solid hitter with a good eye, now he couldn't hit the water if he fell out of a boat.

Help me out here!

I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 4:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Um...
...Mike Fontenot was, is, and probably will ever be a mediocre baseball player, a second-string roster filler kind of guy, who just happened to have an absurdly lucky month (and it was so much luck that I haven't the words; just look up his Batting Average on Balls In Play).

So what happened? Regression to the mean happened.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 12, 2007 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say this is pretty dead on
and accepted as the "deal".

Been awaiting him to turn back into a pumpkin for a long time, but every time I count him out - he goes 3-4 w/an rbi!

I still want to root for him, though.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, look at this way
We can have players like Fontenot, Murton etc (in fact a lot of good teams do) in the lineup but only if the high priced good hitters take up the slack and hit like they can and are paid to. If not, unfortunately the focus shifts to these Murtons and Fontenots and we expect them to come through every time they are at the plate which they can't because they aren't that good.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 12, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nail meet head
totally agree.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 12, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the above statements.
However the answer to your question in general terms could be a number of things: fatigue (needing a day off), a nagging injury, personal problems (which the public is not likely to know about and I, for one, think this happens a lot more than people realize) or, the opposite of what happened with Fonty, a string of shitty luck (rough ball/strike calls, being robbed by web gem nominees in the field, etc.)
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Bros
I especially appreciated Ryno's comment about personal problems at home. You're so right! If our guys have worries about something going on personally, or being sent down, or beinng DFA'd, traded, or whatever, I can see how it would affect their play.

I do know that I would much rather have their struggles now rather than mid September.

I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excited?
Am I the only one excited for tomorrow's day off?

I am in no rush to watch a Cubs game till Tuesday with a rested team!

by ak123 on Aug 12, 2007 4:45 PM CDT reply actions  

and Ramirez
expectd to be back, right?

by INWes44 on Aug 12, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so!
I think Lou did a poor job this trip giving guys rest.

I know the bench is thin but Lou should have utilized Patterson, Cedeno, Hill, Floyd a little more.  

Lee, Theriot,Jones to name a few really could have used an extra day off during this trip.

An expected loss that game could have generated 2 or 3 more wins later in the week.

by ak123 on Aug 12, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez
I live in So. Ca. so I don't hear the inside news, is Ramirez going to be cleared to play on Tuesday.
I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well we split
the series and now need to move on. Hope they all get rested and are ready to go on Tues. night.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 12, 2007 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

They need to get their heads out.
I know that having to curveballers like Marshall and Hill going wasn't a great thing in the last two games but Marshall left the game a tie.  Hill obviously one hitter too long.

The hitting on the other hand, yeash.  

by MiniAndretti on Aug 12, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree
I am especially pleased that they at least split a series with a team having a winninng record. But the Houston series really hurt the team.
I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 12, 2007 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone noticed
How absurdly bad WGN's programming is outside of Cubs games?
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 12, 2007 4:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't
understand the ragging on Fontenot. Thursday night he hit the ball on nose 3 times, line drive outs, had two hits today, still hitting very close to .300. Is he going to keep the pace of a .340 hitter hell no, but come on guys, he for the most part has been pretty steady.
 Lets worry about Murton, Koye Hill, Pie and Floyd, Fontenot has out hit them all.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 12, 2007 5:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont think
that anybody is "ragging on him."  It's difficult to argue with the fact that Fontenot isn't THIS good but some people haven't realized it.  What we are seeing now is the real Fontenot and some are disappointed, unfairly in my opinion.
Soriano's Contract: Approximately one dollar for every pitch in the dirt that he swings at.

by Ryno8 on Aug 12, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree
If he can hit .290 the next 47 games, I will take it. More than anything this lineup needs Rammy back in it on Tuesday.
 I am more concerned about Hill and Marshall than Fontenot.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Aug 12, 2007 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

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