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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Sunday 8/19, 7:05 CT

There are quite a few storylines that ESPN could use tonight; among them:

  • Carlos Zambrano's contract extension, signed on Friday
  • The NL Central division race
  • What Lou Piniella has done bringing a 96-loss team from last year into first place in late August
Instead, we'll probably get more blather about whatever the Red Sox and Yankees and Barry Bonds have done today, and we should start a pool as to how many times Joe Morgan will say something negative about either this year's Cubs or Ryne Sandberg, or give out misinformation about Cub history or the area around the ballpark.

In the meantime, stay tuned to BCB for real discussion of where the Cubs are today, and where they're going.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
 C. Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Kip Wells
 K. Wells
Cardinals
14-9 W-L 6-13
3.86 ERA 5.24
139 SO 98
77 BB 61
20 HR 14
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs
I hate matchups like this, because they appear at first glance to be highly leveraged in favor of the Cubs. Wells' record is awful this year, although he is 2-0, 2.37 in three starts so far in August. He hasn't beaten the Cubs since September 28, 2003, the day after the Cubs clinched the NL Central. Jacque Jones (.450/.560/.800, 9-for-20, 2 HR), Aramis Ramirez (.412/.444/.647. 7-for-17), Daryle Ward (.385/.385/.769, 5-for-13, 2 doubles, 1 HR), and even Z (2-for-5, 1 double) have hit Wells hard.

Meanwhile, in the last two and a half years, Z has eaten the Cardinals for breakfast, lunch, dinner and midnight snacks -- 6-0, 1.52 in nine starts since Opening Day 2005. And although he denied it at times, it was clear that the negotiations for his new deal were affecting his play, particularly in his last two starts. OK, Z, you've got five, maybe six, years of security. This ought to be your best start of the year.

Unfortunately, the weather forecast for tonight is not encouraging:

Tonight: Periods of rain and thunderstorms. Some of the storms could produce heavy rainfall. Low around 69. Southwest wind around 5 mph becoming calm. Chance of precipitation is 100%.
Here is today's Mediacenter link, for games being played this afternoon.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Al-Do you think the weather will clear for a game tonight?

by FLCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Rain
The radar looks like it is moving out.  I am not a weather man, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
n/t
"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Aug 19, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

YEAH!
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 19, 2007 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

YEAH!
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Aug 19, 2007 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm at home for my birthday
hope to see you at the bleachers, Al!
"Ohmygodicantbelievewereonlyonehalfgameoutandhavethechancetotieforthedivisionleadwithawintonight!" - santoswoodenlegs

by NittanyCub on Aug 19, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it could possibly get done tonight
Looking at the radar it might be raining on and off .. but thank God the game wasn't for the daytime. It would of been called by now. I think it's a 40% chance that the game gets called.
"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Aug 19, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions  

if we get rained out tonight
It would mean a doubleheader tomorrow, right? The Cardinals don't come back to Chicago this year.

That would likely mean a split, and a 3-1 series win for the Cubs. That would be OK, but it would mean a long day tomorrow before a West Coast trip.

AND I'm guessing a lot of posters (like myself) wouldn't get to watch tomorrow. Boy, I hope they can play tonight.

by elgato on Aug 19, 2007 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It's dfficult
to look at the radar and not expect at least one delay.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 19, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

since it has been raining all day, not sure how
much water the field can take and still be playable/safe?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually
I'm betting the storyline that ESPN will use tonight will be about Steve Bartman.  

The national media can't call a Cub game anymore without mentioning Steve Bartman.  They keep talking about how we're all obsessed with Steve Bartman, but in reality they're the ones obsessed with Bartman.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 19, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

yes...
and  most likely see a replay.

We will hear gems from Morgan like, "because of the basket in the outfield Ernie Banks was able to hit 500 Hr"  Ah Joe, there was no basket when Ernie played...

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I think the basket
was put in back in 1970, along with the triangular "cap" on the bleacher wall.  It was a response to the 1969 "Bleacher Bums" who would use the top of the wall as a narrow walkway.

by ChipSet on Aug 19, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The basket was put there is 1970
and Ernie hit 12 HR in 1970, sooooo he hit 488 HR without the basket, which, I'd say, makes the stupid basket remark yet another in the litany of grossly uniformed and baseball ignoramus-esque statements by Morgan.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

BUT! He's JOE MORGAN!
He is the greatest 2nd baseman to ever play - and he'll tell you that himself.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
If you listen to him, you'd think he was the ONLY second baseman ever to play the game.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA HAHA!
lol!

True, true...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

When my
husband asked who was dong the game tonight I said ESPN and he said "I hate Joe Morgan". I told him he wasn't alone.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know
that I hate him, it's just that the problem with Morgan is something that's endemic of that entire network: the personalities are the story. For example, at tonight's game, the game should be the story, but it won't be; Joe Morgan and Jon Miller and their (usually) inaccurate anecdotes will be the story. I guarantee a scoring play or a strikeout gets missed while on of these two prattles on about something not at all germane to the Cubs, or the Cardinals, or the game. Look at the MNF booth or the MNF halftime highlight show, where you barely get any highlights, because producers are combing through tape to find the one long TD run so Berman can do his lameass schtick. It's not about the sports, it's about their personalities and their pet teams.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course it is
as long as ex players and ex managers are hired over qualified announcers. It's all about the ratings baby, and somehow the networks feel that ratings are improved by reaching into the sport for salable faces.

Quality information doesn't sell ads according to the networks. Sell the sizzle, not the steaks.

It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Aug 19, 2007 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually......
it will be that the YANKEES are on their way back.  Any time ESPN ventures out of one of the 13 original colonies, (rare, but it happens) there is almost always a Yankees and/or Red Sox angle.  
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Aug 19, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

weather forecast bad next 2 days
...when would they resked if somehow had to cancel the next 2?? hope they get 'em in yesterday was really poor conditions but field/play didn't seem that sloppy.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 19, 2007 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

6-5 Milwaukee, Linebrink in
bases packed with Reds, 1 out, Valentin up

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Last year - 96 losses
Al, you reminded me of something pretty important:

Date reaching 63 wins:

  1.  August 18th
  2.  September 23rd
  3.  August 30th
A full month over last years team.  This week we will likely see the Cubs surpass the 66 wins that last years team took all season to get.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I have faith
the weather will be accomodating.  I've planned my whole weekend around this game.

by lilkimmer77 on Aug 19, 2007 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope the weather
doesn't stop Kip Wells from flying back from LA as he was here providing spiritual guidance to Lindsay Lohan at rehab. Of course when you are Superman, you can fly above the storms. I am sure he will be back in time for the game tonight.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Morgan
Is there a reason Joe Morgan doesn't like the Cubs?

by elgato on Aug 19, 2007 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

nothing happened to him at Wrigley
when he was a player? Just seems weird if there's no reason behind his feelings.

by elgato on Aug 19, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know that he doesnt like Ryno...
He will rarely ever evn mention his name. The only HOF induction he has ever missed was Sandburg's, citing "family reasons"

It is a good question, you have to wonder if the organization slighted him at some point in his career, because the bias is really obvious.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

He doesn't like Ryno...
...because Ryno broke his HR record for 2nd baseman in 1997.

by mkacer on Aug 19, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they're not Joe Morgan.
Joe Morgan likes one thing: Joe Morgan. Nothing else measures up, so he's critical of just about everything and obliquely blase about the rest.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

My guess
Is that Joe and John will mention "Tom Glavine" at least a dozen times, likely out of sheer habit after their last game at Wrigley.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 19, 2007 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Over/Under
It will be the 2nd inning before the Bartman comment will come out of Morgan.  Four pitches into the 1st inning before a comment about Big Z's facial expression.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 4:05 PM CDT reply actions  

how long before LaRussa's
genius is discussed?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

.5 seconds, tops
as soon as the shocking revelation that his pitcher is batting eighth is over-discussed. Interstingly enough, the Cardinals record in the 14 games where Larussa has batted the pitcher 8th: 8-6. The Cardinals record in the previous 14: 7-7. I'll be we don't get that stat in the Larussa fawning tonight...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers Lose!
leave the winning run at first on fielders groundout..
One of Us!One Of Us!

by HerrProf on Aug 19, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

and tying run
at second. but who was counting?  ;-)
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling sorry for them now
even though some of them look like the faces I see on the "Wanted" section of a Post Office wall.  They're getting no breaks, and with the 5-0 lead they had on those homers today, I thought they would finally win a couple of games in a row.  Pathetic.  

by zevkalman on Aug 19, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself
I do not feel sorry for them.

There are quite a few baseball writers who thought they were going wire-to-wire.

There is still A LOT of baseball to get played yet.

This race could STILL very well end up in a tie between three teams on the last day of the season.

However, if the Cubs play at a .600 or better clip, it will make it pretty tough on the Brew or Cards.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't shed any tears
for the BrewCrew.

The Cubs have two more against the Cards and then go west for a tough set of games with no rest (while the Brewers have a day off now).  We all have to make our own luck for this last quarter of the season.

Go Cubs!!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Silver lining to West Coast trip:
The Brewers face Webb, but the Cubs don't!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is true
but the rest of the staff is still very, very good. And, the Cubs do not have anything close to a .500 record in AZ.

Its no picnic, unfortunately.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.
But it's always a good thing to miss Webb.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

We beat Webb!
Last time we played these guys we beat Webb and then managed only 2 runs the next 2 games.  I'm happy to miss Webb, but I'm expecting dropping 2 of 3.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

You really think the rest of that AZ staff
is good? I don't know. I see a bunch of average pitchers getting hot at once. Perhaps that's enough, though.

They will cool down.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prince Fielder...he is neither
Ha!
I was noticing (again) just how large that guy is....
And all of a sudden that Hall & Oates song "maneater" came into my head...

"whoa-oa here he comes....
watch out boy, he'll chew you up...
whoa-oa here he comes...
he's a BRAAAT eater..."

:-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 19, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Happy you like my sig.
It has been a little curse to whatever/whoever is there all year.  I hope it works its magic again.

Once I realized that, I turned its poison to the other side.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reds Win!
7-6...Now lets do our part tonight

by sheamcmurray on Aug 19, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions  

brew lose
lets go cubs
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on Aug 19, 2007 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Saddam Hussein surrendered
because of Kip Wells - the Keyser Soze of MLB.

Most people do not know this...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan
once called Kip Wells, "seductively handsome."

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 19, 2007 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan
is "deceptively smart."
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan
a very deceptive move...

when it comes to smarts.  A blatant move when it comes to ego.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

An interesting stat is that...
the Cubs have the third lowest home run total in the NL this year - 99. The Brewers are at the top w/ 170 with the 4 they hit today.  It just goes to show that the Cubs are a more fundamentally sound baseball team that can get the job done when it counts.

by JakeH on Aug 19, 2007 4:57 PM CDT reply actions  

If I wasn't going tonight...
I would turn down the tv sound, and listen to Ron go:

"GAWD!!" "GEEZ!" "DANGH!!" "JUH!"

But the radio feed is about two seconds quicker than the tv signal. A bit frustrating.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Where I'm at
it's usually the other way around. It can be a lot of fun to listen for Ron's reaction when you know what he's about to react to (if it's positive for the Cub's).

by cubrandy on Aug 19, 2007 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Are we.....
Going to play baseball tonight?  
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 19, 2007 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah.....
can anybody in Chicago give us a weather update?

by cubrandy on Aug 19, 2007 5:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It looks more like Seattle here
than Chicago, but it's not raining right now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Change in the weather
up here on the northwest side of the city, there is now a steady rain.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Change again
and now the rain has stopped. It seems like we can expect these ten-minute cloudburts all night long.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sitting here in LA
but the radar looks like all the big storms are well north and well south of Wrigley. Just little dots/squalls seem to be in the area for the next few hours. I hope they get this one in and no one on either side gets injured on that wet field. Go Cubs. Strangle those Redbirds around the neck and don't let go!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

As Harry would open the telecast.....
"....the skies are overcast and gray and it's been raining most of the day, but there WILL be baseball!"

by perseman on Aug 19, 2007 6:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Lineup
Chi Cubs
Theriot, SS
Jones, CF
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Ward, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Murton, LF
Kendall, C
Zambrano, P

After only 4 hits the last two games, an offensive breakout would be a pleasant sight.

It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Aug 19, 2007 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

This is the best line up the Cubs have.
Hopefully it will get Big Z a win tonight.

by Mac @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 19, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rob Bowen
I just noticed his stats, and he's batting .333 at Oakland while he had a .065 BA with the Cubs.  What's up with that?  At any rate, he has only had 15 ABs with the A's, with 5 hits and 2 HRs.  Weird.

by zevkalman on Aug 19, 2007 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

3 of those hits and both HR
came in one game. Kendall's outperformed him by far since he's been here.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it proves the AL
has really crappy/inferior pitching. :-)
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, the Baseball Tonight pregame...
...has a "playing card" theme. Coincidence? Or a subtle hint at ESPN's loyalties?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 19, 2007 6:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess that's an improvement
over their normal "crappy" theme. The downfall of that show has been hard to witness. I used to love BBTN; now, it's just typical ESPN drivel.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK
That's reaching.  And hopefully you were just being silly.

I've never thought ESPN hated the Cubs.  They might not understand the Cubs (which leads them to say stupid things) and Joe Morgan might hate the Cubs, but ESPN in general loves the Cubs.  They bring good ratings.  And I remember one Cubs/Mets game this season taht they had Dave O'Brien (who would be the Cubs announcer right now if he could have gotten out of his ESPN contract), Dusty Baker and Rick Sutcliffe calling the game.  Talk about stacking the announcers towards the Cubs!

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 19, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you notice when they had their list
of "Aces" in the beginning of the show, one man left off?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

is the tarp on the field?
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 19, 2007 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Yup
Atleast it was a few minutes ago during a baseball tonight segment.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

The radar...
looks like rain for little bit, but I think there will be an opening to get some baseball in (I hope).  Anyone have any updates on a start time?
2007 Badger Football - 1-0 every week...

by Schwa on Aug 19, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Harang.
Just wanted to comment that this was the 20th time that Cincy won a game the guy started today (a total of 54 team wins this year). Harang has won 13. Pretty amazing for a team as crappy as the Reds and how many times that bullpen has blown leads for him. The guy will get no votes for the Cy Young award, but he is having another great year for a team no one cares about. Now, back to Z--beat the crap out of the Redbirds!!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Aug 19, 2007 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I was behind enemy lines ....
I just returned from 2 days in St Louis !!!

In my best wide-eyed glance, I joined many hushed conversations about how the Cards were doing against the lowly Cubs....AND IT WAS GREAT!!!

Go Cubs !!

by coral on Aug 19, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I live behind enemy lines thanks to the Air Force
I am stationed at Scott AFB (25 miles east of the Lou) and I wave my CUBS flag proudly everyday!  I have to be careful wearing my jersey though sometimes.

by jac on Aug 19, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Immortal, Uncontainable
Rich Ankiel in the Cards' lineup tonight. Look out if he has to throw ball.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 6:52 PM CDT reply actions  

It's 7:02
And there is NO TARP on the field - Baseball right on time!!!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:02 PM CDT reply actions  

This just in
The genius has Kip Wells hitting 8th.

by Mac @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 19, 2007 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN MLBs IDIOTIC WAYS TO ME...
I have MLB.TV for the season.  It has been a great deal for me.  I lived in Minnesota for half the year and am now in Kansas.  Tried to login tonight for the game...and IT IS GODDAMNED BLACKED OUT.  Okay, my buddy from NYC has it, too, so I try his.  GODDAMNED BLACKED OUT.  

Is MLB the completely worse run professional sports organization?  Sure, right now we have QBs electrocuting dogs, and refs working for the mafia, but who's to thank for the steroid DECADE and, of course to a lesser extent, this f***ing blackout package?!  

This is so maddening.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Aug 19, 2007 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

ESPN
It's their fault. They are partners with MLB.TV and they are doing the game, so it is blacked out so you have to watch ESPN.

by GoCubsGo! on Aug 19, 2007 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The NFL
doesn't even have this option unless you want to go to the DISH.  MLB.TV is unparalleled in professional sports.  It's frustrating when games are blacked out.  I couldn't watch yesterday's game because Fox was showing the Tigers here.  It's annoying, but it's still a service I'm more than willing to pay for.  I expect ESPN signed exclusive for Sunday night games.  It's the only game on ESPN so anyone with ESPN will get this game.  Certainly you or someone you know has ESPN.  If not, there must be a sportsbar close that will be showing it.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Transaction??
Anyone hear what move the Cubs made today to deal with Floyd coming back?

by GoCubsGo! on Aug 19, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

So I've been out of town...
...the past few days, but I did see the two-error play where Griffey made it to home on two errors. So, I seem to hear that Braun makes errors nearly as often as he hits home runs. His fielding percentage? .892. I don't have to tell you that that's a lot of errors -- 18, in fact, and he hasn't played a full season yet.

But lord knows that I don't put a lot of faith into the error as a fielding statistic. So... how about his Range Factor?

.576.

Woooooow.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 19, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

First Big Z Facial Expression Call?
I am going to say after the top of the 1st.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Early Lead
We need to get an early lead tonight, so when the second round of storms come through the game can just be called.

by GoCubsGo! on Aug 19, 2007 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It's raining,
thundering andlightening here and we just lost our satellite picture. Hopefully this passes soon.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

espn
I thought I was listening to ESPN talk about the first place Cardinals what with there well rounded hitting and good starting pitchers, apparently because these idiots only pay attention to the Yankees and Red Sox they do not know that the Cubs are in first place. I am not listening to these schmucks all night, thank god for mute.
Wendyzman

by wendyvhz on Aug 19, 2007 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

game start yet?

by Mac @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 19, 2007 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

yes
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not even first pitch
and Joe is on Big Z's emotions.  I lost that one.
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

1 batter down, 12 pitches...
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

According to Miller
it was an "Epic" AB. puh-lease
You're killin me smalls

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 19, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

ankiel looked like a pitcher at that AB
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

To be fair...
...Big Z does that to hitters all the time.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 19, 2007 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano
He is "en fuego"...  tonight.  Go big Z!!!!
I want my Macias!

by wombat on Aug 19, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Called K
Step away from the plate, poo hole.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

he whines about everything...
Must get that from the Genius, LaRussa.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

just checked Gameday tho
and they had that pitch waaaay inside.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 19, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Froze Him
1 inning of classic Z.  
A Cub fan in Cardinal territory.

by FSArkCubsFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Take a seat
big man, nice start Z.

I'd love to get some early runs with tonights weather.

You're killin me smalls

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 19, 2007 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

The Flags!!!!
Look so beautiful with the Cubbie Blue on top!!!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Damnit, a leadoff clog
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Who had 7:23
With Morgan saying the Cubs got another lucky call getting Pujols out. He hates the Cubs and I hate him.

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

While all that is true
If the Cubs get final revenge (scoreboard) tonight, I will go to bed a happy man regardless.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way he said that!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He used the beloved "K-Zone"
To show how badly Pujols got screwed on that slider

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And...
discussed the two pitches that were probably mistakenly called strikes, but conveniently neglected to discuss the pitch that was just as likely mistakenly called a ball (the third pitch of the at-bat).

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

K Zone sucks
why they believe that P.O.S. amazes me to no end.

by JFCubFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN has just erased our win yesterday
As we only had 4 hits against the Cardinals, and because of that, we suck.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone hear that
Derrick Lee made the All Star game based on reputation??  

WHAT??  

Great Fielder
Excellent Batting Average

Nice comment John Miller

"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 19, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

K-Zone
Does anyone think that Z's "ball" that struck out Pujols was a strike?  I think the ball sliced over the corner, but ESPN/Morgan captured the ball before the movement (and before It was done crossing the plate).  I could just have a serious case of fan vision, but either way, ESPN hates Chicago.

by BlueDonnellys on Aug 19, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

7:32
and Joe Morgan says that LaRussa's genius is solely responsible for the Cardinals "staying in contention."

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

LoL
"The Cubs actually beat the Cardinals yesterday." - Joe Morgan

by BlueDonnellys on Aug 19, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

1.5 innings done
I wonder if the pitchers were given orders to "work fast" to try to get the game in.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like...
...the hitters may have been given the same instructions.

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

ho-hum game so far
not much happening on the board either

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Ryan fails, Murton on first!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe-isms
Please post any great Joe-isms. I'm listening to the game on the media center feed. Did he just call that an error?
"Don't worry, Joey. We'll go next year. They're in the World Series all the time" ---My grandfather to my sick father, October 10, 1945

by flyingdonut on Aug 19, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

not sure I can type that fast... ;)
He went on a two minute disseration on Ankiel success as a hitter was "because he is no longer focusing on pitching"...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really a Joe-ism...
...but on the Murton hit, which was misplayed by the shortstop, Jon Miller said something like "Rolen was trying to back up the play, and that was really their only chance, but I don't think even that would have been enough to get Murton, because that ball was hit very slowly."  In response to the very next replay, Joe said "Ryan tried to make the barehanded Omar Vizquel play, but it's really hard with a ball moving that fast."

Sure, Joe.  It couldn't just be that Brendan Ryan isn't quite the same quality of shortstop as Vizquel.

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

The heavy rain has come....
Tarp is coming out.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Dammit.
This is perfect for the damn Cards. Zambrano's throwing bb's and now there's a rain delay. Tony Larussa's probably dancing with glee.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Is our best hope for no more play tonight?
The game would be replayed in its entirety since 4.5 haven't elapsed, right?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how that works, exactly.
I hope it's a quick ten minute blast. It's almost stopped up by me and I'm just in Portage Park, so it should slow down in Wrigley in 10 minutes or so. I hope we don't lose Z.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great just great.
We have had so much rain here and now there is a rain delay for the game.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Not good
Z looked good so far ... hopefully the rain passes through quickly

by VillanuevaExperience on Aug 19, 2007 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's hope it's short
If we lose Z and they lose Wells... well that would just suck.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Radar looks kinda bad
Heavy storms over Wrigleyville now, and more to follow....dang.

by BeantownCubbie on Aug 19, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

is there some rule of thumb on
on the amount of time that the starting pitchers can sit and no longer pitch in a rain delay?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm no expert, but...
...I bet with Z tonight it'll be a little longer than average!

by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 19, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

too long.
That would mean no more Z, probably...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jon Miller-ism
Remember when the Red Sox were 14.5 games back?

No Jon, sure dont. I remember when the Yankees were that man back. Shut up. Why do you either of you exist.

Oh, 8:01 on the "Z breaking bat over his knee" remark. Followed by a Big Z, Jouquin Andujar comparison.

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Stuff like this
....makes me glad I don't have cable!

by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 19, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe just accused the Cubs...
 of not wanting to play a double header tomorrow...  "The Cards were fine with it," according to is stunning commentary, I hate ESPN so much...

by Yepsen on Aug 19, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

my jaw dropped when he said that
HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

Cite your source clown before indicting an entire organization!

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 19, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree...
his subtle indictment of the Cubs  and equally subtle praise of the Cards was a bit much.  Even if they did say they'd rather not play a double headers - what was the reason?  The Cubs have a lot more to lose than the Cards right now when it comes to tiring out.  And the field is nice and soggy from days and days of rain, the last thing it needs is a double headers worth of activity.

These are all guesses - but the fact is, the guy is a moron.  

by Yepsen on Aug 19, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

How the hell would he know?
That guy is such a self-aggrandizing blowhard. He doesn't know that Luis Cstillo used play in the NL, but he's got the clairvoyance to know whether or not the Cubs want to play a DH tomorrow. Asshat.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

rain
http://www.weather.com/outlook/recreation/ski/hourbyhour/graph/60657

70-90% chance of precipitation all night...

"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 19, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

It had almost stopped
up here on the northwest side but it's picked up again and it's pouring now.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking at the radar, it might be a while
The radar looks like the rain is coming from the SW, basically from Oak Brook.  And the rain on that line  is all the way out west of Aurora, although the radar looks like it might go back to drizle.

But once that passes, it looks ok.  Unfortunately, it's clear NW of the ballpark, but the front isn't moving straight east.

by Invalid User on Aug 19, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

That radar must be on the fritz
because I live NW of the ball park and it is definitely not clear up here!
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm
This might be inane, but...
If heavy and long-lasting rain was forecast to begin  some time after the start-time of tonight's game, and a severe rain delay or postponement was reasonably predictable, why start Zambrano? Why not start Ohman or some other bullpen guy? I know it's risky, but so is using Zambrano, who will likely miss his turn in the rotation.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 19, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Isn't Ohman
in Iowa?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 19, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot!
The 12th pitcher has been such a revolving door...

Well, Pig* or some other dude... 3 innings is all we needed. If the weather held, so be it. If not (as seems to be the case), we lose Z until next Friday(?).

"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 19, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

losing Z
I don't think we lose Z until Friday.  I suspect this will be similar to throwing on the side and he could come back on Tuesday or Wednesday.

As far as starting someone else, I'm not sure who that would be.  Even if you get 3 innings out of a guy you then need to throw 4 other guys to finish up the game, none of which would be available for tomorrow's game, which means we'd need to make a move and bring either Cherry, Gallagher (who probably hasn't been down long enough yet), or Petrick back up.  That's not a pretty site either.

I'm sure they weighed the options.  I honestly don't see a better option at this point.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Miller is
speculating.....certainly, the Cubs wouldn't want to lose the crowd tonight -- and a DH before going to SF for a night game Tues -- that really stinks.

Especially if rain causes problems tomorrow.
We are beginning to nit-pick here.

I sure as hell wouldn't want to play a DH Monday, if I am a Cubs player, manager, or GM.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Simple slip of tongue & Morgan analysis
I'm sure he meant Yankees but his producer should be in his ear saying, You meant the Yankees, correct yourself--but announcers don't want to do that, or producers are afraid of announcers, so it just compounds the (human) error.

I don't think anything too egregious so far from announcers, Morgan said at top the Cubs were lucky to sign Zambrano when they did...but never explained...what was lucky about it?? He wanted to stay and they ponied up big bucks...lucky cuz he could've gotten more on open market/? Not everyone is a money grubber like you Joe.

Morgan was right earlier to point out big Cub problem has been lack of power...I remember him a few years ago during injury plaque on Wood/Prior saying "the Cubs are going to have to change their approach,'' meaning not rely on these 2...well, we have and it's working this year.

I want to hate Joe think he's arrogant and not very well informed (he refused, for example, to read Moneyball, someone wrote a long article challenging him on it) but he's not that bad, if you're not looking for bias/mistakes. He's just not as good as he should be for having this national platform.

Not many are since the old days of Joe G., Tony Kubek, etc....of our youths, but they were prob. flawed too, just not under this kind of scrutiny of 24/7 media, bloggers, etc.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 19, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

As much as I complain about
certain announcers -- everything is non-scripted. Any announcer, especially in such a rain delay situation is tap-dancing until producers scramble to figure out what they need to do.

I heard the slip of the tongue regarding the Red Sox....nobody's perfect...

Writers have the chance to re-write, stop -- start again, re-write some more -- live radio & TV -- stuff does happen.

Of course, stupidity from banal announcers (Matt Vasgergian, for one) can't be helped. But in a live, ad-libbed situation -- you are really thinking on your feet -- and it's not really easy.
Many a news anchor, during crisis situations -- you will suddenly see not seem as crisp, and authoritative -- they are used to a script.

And, of course PBP sports is not scripted. So, set aside the gripes, perceived gripes, and slights at times. Sportscasting can be great fun (I did it at the college level) but it can also be quite challenging.

It's just unfortunate that not enough individuals in the business do their homework coming into a game -- and are content to slide through a telecast.

I love radio/TV critics who do find one glaring error and hold it up for ridicule in their column, or whatever -- but what about everything the sportscaster did right?  That's not usually mentioned.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

And yes
I do agree -- mistakes have been made...forever. However, we can now instantly pounce on them. In a way, that's not really fair.

Curt Gowdy, Jack Brickhouse, Lou Boudreau, Vince Lloyd -- all made errors. But, we look back on them fondly. Will we do the same with this current crop? Not sure, and there may be a host of reasons for that.....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

you forgot the king,
Vin Scully. He is the biggest reason why I am so judgemental on other broadcasters - day in, day out, he makes things look so easy, all by himself.
"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 19, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's also quite boring
going on and on about the batters principal in grade school, and the great fishing they have in his home town.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

you just proved my point!
That is what baseball announcers are supposed to do, tell a story about the principal players in the game. All of this promo crap, unnecessary updates, and commentators talking about themselves drive me crazy!

A good announcer is supposed to get you involved in the game, without really being there. Brickhouse, Harwell, Scully, Jack Buck, Harry, etc. are great examples of how things should be done.

Today's broadcasting style is all unnecessary filler.

"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 19, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.
Vin Scully is the complete professional broadcaster.

by zevkalman on Aug 19, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ernie Harwell kept me sane...
...on all my [extremely boring] road trips through Indiana and western Ohio on the turnpike.  And that's coming from an Indians fan!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's an artist.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 19, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I didn't forget him
I still consider Vin Scully a contemporary, a treasure to listen to. The others, sadly --  are a part of history.

However, I know younger viewers find Scully  'boring,' I've heard that from some youthful viewers -- 20s & 30s. Of course, he makes some dated references, and sometimes makes pop culture references -- from the 1950s, and 60s. That's all besides the point. When it comes to describing a baseball game -- it's poetry. To have a partner -- that person would only be in his way.

The game is the focus, not him. But, since Scully treasures the game -- we invoke him as one of us.
Like Harry Caray, but with a different persona.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Stone is a great color commentator...
But I think he is out of a job.  I loved him during his days with the cubs and I would even watch ESPN games that he was announcing.  He seldom screwed up, repeated himself, or sounded just plain stupid in general.  He also brought humor to the booth which ESPN and FOX do not have.

by Aram mvp on Aug 19, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Is there a Wrigleyville curfew law
That prevents games from being played after a certain hour?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

I think...
...there is a 1 or 2 am MLB curfew, but I'm not 100% sure.

by stadiumguru on Aug 19, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe to restart a game
but there have definitely been games that have played later.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember when....
Baseball Tonight used to be good?  Now 1/2 the program is dedicated to RS/Yanks

by VillanuevaExperience on Aug 19, 2007 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

You mean there is other baseball
worth discussing?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is completely off topic.....
but I was bored as hell just waiting, so I was watching Gene Simmons Family Jewels. Dont ask. But Carrot-Top was on there. Have any of you seen what this guy looks like now a days? He is a mutant. Roided out the yingyang. He is a freak.

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I give ESPN lots of credit
For telling us when weather reports indicate when the rain might end, showing some radar maps, etc.  

</end sarcasm>

Atleast we get some great Ankiel feel-good coverage.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

They don't indicate a single thing
Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was being clear enough.  They give no indication when the rain might end, just saying we'll pick it back up when they take the tarp off (boy, thanks).
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Professional weathermen
can't predict the weather with much accuracy, why would you expect anything different?  The radar looks dismal.  I'm preparing for either a REALLY late night or 2 tomorrow.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood
But the least they could do is at least show us the radar looks dismal.  With what we are going off right now, we don't know if storm is passing in 2 hours or 2 minutes.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too much improvisation.
You would like people in Joe Morgan's position to do their research and prepare better for a national telecast. But apart from the choice of some words (Cubs "lucky" to sign Zambrano now; I would have said "savvy".) and tongue slips (Red Sox instead of Yankees on second place by 14.5 games), ESPN has been better tonight so far, than on Glavine's game. That's because that night they came focused only on Glavine and didn't notice the rest that was happening.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not just Morgan...
Miller said "Theriot played all over the place last year..."  Theriot played 1 inning at 3b and 17 innings at SS.  That's hardly ALL OVER THE PLACE.  Then again, these guys aren't experts on this team like we are.  I give them a pass on some of these types of comments, but the anti-Cub prejudice with Morgan is really annoying.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

During the rain delay
They should show the Ryne Sandberg game and his Hall of Fame induction speech.

Does anyone remember when they used to show old all star games and world series highlights during rain delays?  It seems like they mostly cut to network shows now.

by lohroffc on Aug 19, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed
To give credit where it is due though, yesterday ESPN Radio (as heard on XM) replayed the 2001 World Series D-Backs/Yankees during the in-game rain delay.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course they did...
...because it involved the Yankees.

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

But in a change of pace...
...It involved a World Series the Yankees lost.

Of course, they were playing game 5, which the Yankees won...

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also
Steve Stone was the colorman for ESPN yesterday. It was good listening, of course the win helped a little too....

by LT on Aug 19, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yes.
However, ESPN has commercials to air. Please, let me remind you -- they are the most important feature on any radio or television network.

In my career, I've been told -- radio & TV are in buisness to deliver eyeballs to the commercials. How they do so -- is immaterial.

I truly hate that philosophy.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does a bad Brooklyn apt complex
Have to do with sports???
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

TV Rights Question:
If it swings to a DH tomorrow, can CSN legally televise both games?

Just curious.

"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 19, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

espn
it seems that the play by play folks are a little worse than some other folks at espn.  i think some of their on-line writers are pretty decent, kurkjian for instance.  i also specifically remember steve phillips early in the year saying the cubs and pinella were better than they were playing and would turn it around, while all the other folks over at espn we just repeating how bad the cubs sucked.  phillips seems like a decent, fair minded commentator.  i do absolutely hate that espn repeats the same stories over and over and over (ankiel and sox-yanks)

by philadelphiacub on Aug 19, 2007 8:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Did they call the game?
The cubworld.com cam shows bunches of people leaving.  ESPN is talking to some football player.

by southernilcubfan on Aug 19, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Over here ESPN switched to
Little League World Series action - Saudi Arabia vs Curacao.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off-topic, but...
...how do kids qualify for LLWS teams?  The batters so far for Saudi Arabia have been named Branton and Fitzmaurice--not exactly Arab names to my (admittedly untrained) ear.  Any idea?

by Molechaser on Aug 19, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, same here...
I just wondered, I guess some folks decided not to wait it out.

by southernilcubfan on Aug 19, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not surprised as tomorrow
is a work day and it doesn't look like its going to stop raining anytime soon

by cubsnlinux on Aug 19, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok, so let's have our own rain delay programming..
I'll start with this little gem.

http://analogik.com/multimedia/video/qrio/sony_05.wmv

The new Cubs long man???  Takes almost as long as Trachsel between pitches but he can go forever...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

and he
throws strikes too.
You're killin me smalls

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 19, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

rain delay theater
Looking at the radar, I'd be surprised if they get this one in. Thank goodness ESPN wanted to broadcast this game since it barely rained this afternoon.

Otherwise, if they don't do a DH tomorrow, or if that gets washed out, then August 27 is the next common day off for both teams.

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Aug 19, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Rain
Radar looks like it is breaking up a little and their will be a break in the rain.
Anybody here anything on the restart?

by GoCubsGo! on Aug 19, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

the cubworld cam
shows bunch of people walking around without umbrellas so im guessing the rain has stopped

http://www.cubworld.com/category/a_cubworld_cam

by CZ38 on Aug 19, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know...
But let me know if it comes back on.  I have turned ESPN off, as I usually do when the Cubs are not on it.
Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 19, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Rain has stopped here
Can't tell that from espn, though...

by roscoevillage on Aug 19, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Still raining on NW side
but if this is what it's doing at Wrigley, it's light enough to play in...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who would pitch .....
if we actually played this game tonight?  

by VillanuevaExperience on Aug 19, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Doug Dascenzo
n/t
Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 19, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Better him than
Paul Assenmacher...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Augie Ojeda back
He pitched a scoreless 8th the other day when the D-backs were getting blown out.  Only threw 8 pitches, half of them strikes.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chicago...
Looks like they are getting plenty of rain.  Here in the south part of the state, we haven't had a good rain in two or three weeks.  Lots of folks are using that "Draught" word.  Especially the ones in Kentucky.

But back on topic, do you think we will see any more of Carlos tonight?

by southernilcubfan on Aug 19, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

That's funny...
When I hear the "draught" word, I think of beer.  Now when I hear the word "drought"...

by MrFurious on Aug 19, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry...
I guess I've seen that stupid Heineken commercial with the robotic woman too many times.  What a robot woman has to do with beer, I'll never know.

by southernilcubfan on Aug 19, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

true...
That commercial confuses me.  One, she's creepy.  Not even a little hot (it is a beer commercial, right?  Two, what is up with the multiple arms?  Three, is there a small keg up for sale now or something?  Four, the commercial is boring anyway.  I lose interest before it even ends (and at thirty seconds...sad).

by MrFurious on Aug 19, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couple Q's
If this game gets called, do they start all over?? Or resume in the top 4th inning?? I know there was a rule change about rainouts/suspensions (I think it involved half innings and helped Cubs earlier this year), but not sure if situation like this is as before, start over again.

Wonder what will happen if both games tonite and tomorrow rained out they'll wait a while tonite and tomorrow, obviously....

And is a team not allowed to fly out on day of game (Cubs fly out on Tues AM to get to SF for nite game)..I know it's cutting a little close, but to fly in the night before, when it might be after midnite or something, seems a little crazy too if gonna have to play til late Mon.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 19, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I believe...
The game you are discussing was late in the game (after an official game) when the Cubs were threatening.  The game will pick up where it left off.

I don't think St. Louis comes back to town -- good, I'm sick of seeing those mullets -- so I'd assume they'd almost have to fit it in tomorrow if the game gets cancelled tonight.

Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 19, 2007 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another Issue...
is that the Cubs only remaining visit to Arkansourri already includes one doubleheader as a make-up of the game canceled after Josh Hancock's death in April.
Proudly waving the Cubbie Blue in the middle of redbird inbreds!

by Tater01 on Aug 19, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point...
Oddly enough, that was also a Sunday Night Baseball game.
Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 19, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey ...!
Arkansas is NOT part of Missouri.  Get it right.  We're East Texas!

And hey, I even wear shoes when I go out of state.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 19, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oops...
I didn't know ... but I should have known better.  Who in their right mind would claim this place (Mizzou-rah)...and the missus wants to move TO ST. LOUIS!  Egads!
Proudly waving the Cubbie Blue in the middle of redbird inbreds!

by Tater01 on Aug 19, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe this game
Will remain unscheduled, and only be played at the end of the season if it affects the playoff chances of either team, much like STL/SFG last year that was never played.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game
should get completed IMO
"Losing is my only fear"

by Unique on Aug 19, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The suits at the Tower
will not stand for the loss of income. After all, we gave you damn Empire Man Bobbleheads for free the other night! And we didn't pay a damn cent for them!!

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

To The Question Re: The Brooklyn Apt Complex
That bad Brooklyn complex is where Ebbets Field once stood, on the ground of which occurred some of the best and historic baseball.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 19, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Can you imagine
if O'Malley was able to build that "Geodesic Dome"
stadium he wanted to build in Brooklyn? What a change of history! NO METS, No 1969!

But, of course by now -- that ballpark would be 50 years old....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wasn't that domed stadium...
going to be built in Queens, where the Mets play now? I think I read somewhere that they wanted to follow the people to the suburbs.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they postpone at least one of these games...
...seems like they have three options.

Someone pointed this out earlier - common off day on Aug 27.  Cards players would have to sign off on this as I think this would make more than 21 consecutive days with games.  Cubs coming back from AZ and start a series with Mil on Tues.  Cards coming from home and start a series at Hou on Tues.

Second common off day is Sept 10.  But the travel logistics suck for this one.  Cubs on road going from Pgh to Hou and Cards on road going from AZ to Cin.

Third option would be wait until end of season and play it only if it impacts playoffs.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...
You're dadgum right this game is under protest!

Not really, I just wanted an excuse to say that.

Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 19, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

any word when the games restarts?
it seems to have stopped raining 30 minutes ago!

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

radar says more rain on the way
usually umps won't restart game unless they're confident they can get a few more innings in before it starts raining again.  
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

WGN Radio says we'll know when they do.
It'll take a while to get the field ready to play on...
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who can tell?
The warning track looks like a moat and the infield was pretty wet when the game got delayed, so they'll have to drin the outfield and then toss a crapload of Diamond Dry on the track and the infield, so once the rain stops and the tarp's off, maybe 20-30 minutes at the least.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the brief picture of the warning track
ESPN decided to show, it looks like we should rename the place Wrigley Stream.

I love Wrigley to death, but the field is in massive need of being redone and flattening with a modern drainage system put in place.  I'm still confused why the planned task was canceled for the offseason...

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

For Rain delay theater,
God's Linebacker is being interviewed on NBC 5.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

God's linebacker?
They might as well interview Dante Jones while they're at it...

by Invalid User on Aug 19, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ray Lewis
is always a good interview.
"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Aug 19, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing fans are getting tired...
ESPN certainly is indicating it hasn't been called yet.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Aug 19, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

9:40 - Tarp is still on the field
No rain, Carlos in the dugout wearing a sweater.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

they should man up and play in canoes!
kidding of course, but that would be amusing

by Walker71421 on Aug 19, 2007 9:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Live from Wrigley
Rain stopped, but no baseball yet. Jonny Miller, the choad that he is, claims the game has not been cancelled yet, still in a delay

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

WGN 720 - Game called
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:43 PM CDT reply actions  

make up date TBD
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rained Out....
Bummer. Interesting that they're not stating a reschedule time - given the forecast for tomorrow, maybe they don't want to even try getting in two games.

by CaughtInTheVines on Aug 19, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not a Joe Morgan fan but....
I have to admit, I spend a big percentage of my TV time watching ESPN. They are a big piece of the success of the American sports empire. I'd hate to think of not having them.
"You know what? You want a job? Go out and earn one." Sweet Lou

by Kyle Turney on Aug 19, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

game over, man
game. over.

If no DH tomorrow, the 27th perhaps for the make-up?

I was saying Boo-urns.

by jrm78 on Aug 19, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

This Sets Up An Interesting Situation
The Cubs' P.A. announcer said the make up game is yet to be determined. They could decide to wait this out and see if it needs to be played. If it does, the season could come down to a one game Cards/Cubs game.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 19, 2007 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor Z
He had a perfect game going - and he didn't get to hit!

I can't imagine they're going to plan to play two tomorrow, with the Cubs scheduled to fly to SF.  Unfortunately, that would mean that this is likely to be a "play on October 1 if needed" game.

by Invalid User on Aug 19, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Well...
at least it's a positive for me, since I couldn't make it in for the game and might be able to come in for the rescheduled game.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 19, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The only thing certain in terms of make-up
Is that it will be whatever puts most grievance upon the Cubs.  That's been the trend this year...
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Rain...
Is this thing gonna get rolling tonight? The delay totally favours the Cards, as Z won't come back. Wells would have started to get hit soon. Oh well. Pitch around Albert and let the other Cardinal losers do what's expected.

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

A moot point, now that it's been called, but...
Which Cub would you like to see do a belly slide on a rain-soaked tarp???

From the current roster, I gotta go with Daryle "Tidal Wave" Ward.

All-time Cubbie...  Three way tie - Big Daddy Reuschel, Big Red Sutcliffe, or Rod The Shooter Beck.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Julio Zuleta
"2007. Our year. Our beer." - G. Heileman Brewing Co., Milwaukee, WI.

by ilovepie on Aug 20, 2007 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trib suits are seeing the dollars fly away
"....we'll put your money down toward season tickets next year!"

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

BS

by Mac @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 19, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

THAT SUCKS!
I waited all day for this game. Oh well. Tomorrow we can go get um. No way with the weather that they call for two.

I am a complete conspiracy thoerist, but the Cubs knew this was the forecast. They knew it. If they call the game before game time, no $$. This way they at least got all the concession $$. And of course pancho money.

Gotta pay Big Z somehow.

by louslovechild on Aug 19, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

wasn't up to the Cubs to cancel
that's what Dan Schulman (or s/body) said on the pre-game. The Umps had the call even b4 the game.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 19, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rain...
Sorry, just noticed that the game has been ppd.  1 up on the Brew Crew!!!!

by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Aug 19, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Why don't we
just celebrate Z's no hitter?!

by morgane on Aug 19, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Heck, perfect game
Do the 3 K's count in his season total?

With the score tied, will it restart in the bottom of the 3rd (suspended) or do they just start over on the make-up date, if and when it happens?

by ChipSet on Aug 19, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very weird
I think the internet caused this game to be postponed.  It hasn't rained for a while.  But, I guess the umps were afraid of the big green blob to the west on the Doppler.

by roscoevillage on Aug 19, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Outfield was in really bad condition,...
from what we saw on TV and more rain is coming. No need to continue. It would only tax the Cubs' bullpen.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

gotta agree
it's been light rain at most for over an hour. I wonder who makes the call? Ppd. the game favors the Cubs as they wouldn't be able to bring Z back out, and now he might be able to go up against the Giants' ace Lincecum.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 19, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or,
the rotation stays the the same, and when Z faces the D-Backs, he'll have nitro running thru his veins.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 20, 2007 5:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be continued:
Game will continue at the spot it was when it stopped, according to amendments to Rule 4.12:
"4.12
SUSPENDED GAMES.
(a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:...

(7) The game has not become a regulation game (41/2 innings with the home team ahead, or 5 innings with the visiting club ahead or tied)....

(b) A suspended game shall be resumed and completed as follows:
   (1) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game between the two clubs on the same grounds;..."

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:18 PM CDT reply actions  

To specify why the game picks up where it stopped:
Rule 4.12:
"(c) A suspended game shall be resumed at the exact point of suspension of the original game. The completion of a suspended game is a continuation of the original game. The lineup and batting order of both teams shall be exactly the same as the lineup and batting order at the moment of suspension, subject to the rules governing substitution. Any player may be replaced by a player who had not been in the game prior to the suspension. No player removed before the suspension may be returned to the lineup. A player who was not with the club when the game was suspended may be used as a substitute, even if he has taken the place of a player no longer with the club who would not have been eligible because he had been removed from the lineup before the game was suspended."

The only thing I'm not clear about is whether it's mandatory to play the game at the next available date (tomorrow). Also, it doesn't say who decides that.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

This is all wrong
You read rule 4.12 without reading rule 4.10
a) A regulation game consists of nine innings, unless extended because of a tie score, or shortened (1) because the home team needs none of its half of the ninth inning or only a fraction of it, or (2) because the umpire calls the game. EXCEPTION: National Association leagues may adopt a rule providing that one or both games of a doubleheader shall be seven innings in length. In such games, any of these rules applying to the ninth inning shall apply to the seventh inning.
(b) If the score is tied after nine completed innings play shall continue until (1) the visiting team has scored more total runs than the home team at the end of a completed inning, or (2) the home team scores the winning run in an uncompleted inning.
(c) If a game is called, it is a regulation game:
    (1) If five innings have been completed;
    (2) If the home team has scored more runs in four or four and a fraction half-innings than the visiting team has scored in five completed half-innings;
    (3) If the home team scores one or more runs in its half of the fifth inning to tie the score.
(d) If a regulation game is called with the score tied, it shall become a suspended game. See Rule 4.12.
(e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it "No Game."

Rule 4.12 only applies when rule 4.10 determines that it is a "regulation game."  The correct ruling is rule 4.10 (e), which is that this is "no game" and therefore will be made up in its entirety.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 19, 2007 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right
Isn't this similar to the Cleveland/Seattle "snow game" back in early April, that was eventually called one pitch before it became official, and thus was (or will be) replayed in its entirety?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Aug 19, 2007 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope
It's not a suspended game.

Comment to the rule change makes this clear:

NOTE: Weather and similar conditions--Rules 4.12(a)(1) through 4.12(a)(5)--shall take precedence in determining whether a called game shall be a suspended game.... A game can only be considered a suspended game if stopped for any of the six reasons specified in Rule 4.12(a).

The relevant factors in 4.12(a):

(5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead; or

(6) It is a regulation game that is called with the score tied.

The game isn't far enough along for the factors in (5) to exist, and it is not a regulation game yet.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 19, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right.
See my post below where I explain my mistake. You were right and I apologize for my error.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

My bad.
Actually it's the same. See my post below. My apologies for creating all this confusion.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I read it.
Rule 4.12 is about suspended games. It's very specific. The sentence you point out in Rule 4.10(e) doesn't apply because this is not a "called game". It is a "suspended game". See Rule 4.12(b)in my post below.

The problem is that they left the sentence you point out in Rule 4.10(e), but it is superseded by the specific text of Rule 4.12, as amended, for games suspended by the reasons specified in the rule. This is the problem when they start amending rules, it creates so-called "legal anomalies" that need interpretaion. I assume the powers that be will clarify this.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem
is that according to the rules, if this were a "suspended game," then it would have to be picked up tomorrow before the regularly scheduled game.  Since they haven't announced that, it's clearly "no game."

You are clearly misinterpreting the rules.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh Timmers on Aug 19, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right.
See my post below. Again, my apologies for my mistake. I'll eat more humble pie tonight.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

After waiting for about 25:00
in covered seats, I decided that knowing the Cubs strategy for concessions during rain delays, I felt pretty confident that in seeing all of the radar throughout the day, no way was the game gonna get played, and that they'd take their sweet time before making the call.

I told my girlfriend that the Cubs will let people sit around and sit around getting them to buy beer and food, while letting the umps take their time in calling the game.

So - we split around 8:30. Now I find out it WAS called over an hour fifteen after we left...

It was a good call, and we had a nice late dinner near the park - question is: when will the make up game get rescheduled?

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 19, 2007 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember, it was a nationally televised game.
You try to play those if possible, especially this late in the season. Suspensions cretae massive scheduling problems that force teams in contention to lose free days or play too many games in a few days, so naturally the Cubs would have liked to avoid the suspension.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, Zambrano keeps his K's
but they won't become official until the suspended game is completed. They will be recorded retroactively to this date. (I remember the same happened to the Yankees this year and had A-Rod hit a HR when the game resumed, then that would've been # 499 and what we thought was # 499 would've become # 500. However, A-Rod grounded out when the game resumed and the point became moot.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

FYI
Still not raining in Wrigleyville.

I'm pretty sure they could have gotten another 2 innings in at this point.

by roscoevillage on Aug 19, 2007 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Rereading Rule 4.12(B)...
Resuming the game tomorrow is only an option but it's not mandatory. The rule gives a few alternatives and it doesn't establish a preference:
"(b) A suspended game shall be resumed and completed as follows:
   (1) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game between the two clubs on the same grounds; or
   (2) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader between the two clubs on the same grounds, if no single game remains on the schedule; or
   (3) If suspended on the last scheduled date between the two clubs in that city, transferred and played on the grounds of the opposing club, if possible;
     (i) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game, or
     (ii) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader, if no single game remains on the schedule."

I assume the Cubs won't want to play two games tomorrow before embarking on a road trip to the West Coast. That would only complicate the rotation and tire the bullpen.

Now, they better play it before the last scheduled game between these two teams, or Z will lose his K's and Murton his single. If they don't complete it before the last game scheduled between these two teams, the game has to be restarted from the beginning:

" (4) Any suspended game not completed prior to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season shall become a called game. If such game becomes a called game and...
(iii)has not progressed far enough to become a regulation game, the game shall be declared "No Game." In such case, the game is to be replayed in its entirety, unless the league president determines that playing the rescheduled game is not necessary to affect the league championship."

Maybe the Cubs would rather wait to play the game if needed and not give a hoot about individual statistics.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The game today may not be played at all....
...if it doesn't matter in the standings. Likely, they're going to wait and see how the season plays out. It will be up to MLB. If it isn't needed, whatever stats were accumulated will be gone.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Aug 19, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mistake
It's not a suspended game. See post below.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who decides?
Muskrat clarifies:
"No makeup date was announced, because it wasn't possible Sunday night for the two teams plus Major League Baseball plus the Players Association to meet to agree on a day."

Link to article

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Any word on when Lou wants to use Big Z?
Are they planning on keeping the rotation intact, or will they slip him in sooner since he only pitched three innings?
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 19, 2007 11:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Chris is right. (So are sanantonecub and Josh)
I mistakenly interpreted that this was a "suspended game" under Rule 4.12. However, it is really a called game under Rule 4.10. Why? As Chris pointed out: Rule 4.12 says that
"A game can only be considered a suspended game if stopped for any of the six reasons specified in Rule 4.12(a)."

I didn't doublecheck that clause (7) in Rule 4.12 was not one of those six reasons. They are: curfew, time limit, light or tarp failure, darkness, weather stops a regulation game (which this game wasn't), tied regulation game (which this wasn't either).

So, I eat crow. Forget everything I wrote earlier. The game doesn't count. It's a called game and it will have to be played in its entirety. Individual records are erased.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 19, 2007 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

No Need to Apologize
It's actually very confusing and the way you read it  was literally correct without the interpretive note.  But the reason I went and looked for that is because it's been pretty clear that games have only been suspended when (I think, and this is a gross oversimplification so nobody hold me to it) the home team is behind after a game has become a regulation game.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 20, 2007 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the Way
Here's the full document, which I couldn't find the link to earlier.

http://mlb.mlb.com/pressbox/downloads/y2007/rule_changes_021607.pdf

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 20, 2007 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Another link.
There's a link to the full text of the Official MLB Rules in the front page of MLB's web site. An explanation of the 2007 changes to the rules is in the link that Chris posted above.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you get a rainout...
When it isn't actually raining?

My sidewalk is now completely dry.  I don't think it has rained since a little past 9:00.

Al, I hope you read this (lots of stuff to scroll through, i know).  But, I believe you live a little closer to wrigley than I do.  Did it rain there?

...very confused

by roscoevillage on Aug 20, 2007 1:06 AM CDT reply actions  

The reason...
... they called the game when it wasn't raining, is because heavy rain was expected to come back into the area and last for two to three more hours, which means the game wouldn't have been able to be resumed till close to midnight -- and there's a day game scheduled today.

Plus, there was a lot of standing water on the field. It was likely considered dangerous to play on it.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Aug 20, 2007 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

This stinks
I wish somebody would've showed Lou the friggin rain radar before the game, and convinced him to save Big Z for today instead. But, then again... it's gonna rain this afternoon as well.
1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 1-7 | HOME = 32-30 | updated on 8/17

by SackMan on Aug 20, 2007 7:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou is no seer.
Lou had to assume that if they started playing there was a good chance that the game would become official. Therefore, he was better off with Zambrano pitching. If the game was rained out before becoming official, as it eventually happened, then he could change the rotation to have Zambrano pitch earlier this week.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 7:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone see?
  1. Langerhans DFA'd
  2. Mike Myers is a White Sock
  3. Jose Cruz Jr. is a Yankee
MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 20, 2007 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

When will the game be replayed?
From the Cardinals official web site:
"No makeup date was announced, though Aug. 27, Sept. 10 and Oct. 1 are the possibilities. The earliest date would provide the fewest travel problems. It falls between a home game and a brief one-series road trip for St. Louis, and before a homestand for Chicago. The Sept. 10 off-day falls between cities of a multi-series road trip for each team. The other possibility is the day after the regular season is scheduled to end."

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

end of season
if they did wait till the end of the season, wouldn't the only replay it if actually made a difference with the standings.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 20, 2007 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess so.
But the Central Division is so tight that most probably the game will be meaningful and will have to be played.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Free advice to the Cubs
Remember when several Cubs players complained that the fans were booing some of them? They should take Joe Torre's advice and understand the fans.

This is what Torre said when pitcher Kyle Farnsworth was cheered Saturday after being repeatedly jeered during the year. From The Yankees official web site:

"That's one thing about these fans," manager Joe Torre said. "They're going to let you know they appreciate you, just like they're going to let you know that they think you can do a better job."

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 20, 2007 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

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