Waterlogged
That's how I feel after three consecutive days of very strong downpours hit Wrigley Field, with three different results on the diamond: a win on Saturday, a rainout yesterday, and today's 6-4 loss to the Cardinals, a game I felt bad about the moment Ryan Theriot tried to stretch his leadoff double into a triple and got thrown out by Rick Ankiel. The Yahoo game recap attached to the above boxscore said it was a "perfect" throw, but it wasn't -- it was to the dugout side of third base, but Theriot wasn't even close to making it, so Scott Rolen had plenty of time to swing around and tag him out.
The ball had actually bounced off Ankiel's head, which is why Theriot probably thought he had a chance to make third. Still, down 2-0 in the bottom of the first, why would you want to take yourself out of scoring position?
The Cubs managed to tie the game on solo HR by Daryle Ward and Mark DeRosa, back-to-back in the second, but then coughed the lead back up in the top of the third when Aramis Ramirez couldn't handle Rolen's bouncer with runners on second and third. At the very least, he'd have gotten an out at first even if a run had scored -- instead, a run scored, and then another one on what would otherwise have been an inning-ending groundout to first base.
Derrek Lee also homered today, his 100th as a Cub, and that briefly gave hope as it made the score 5-4 in the last of the sixth. Why Lou had Ted Lilly bat for himself in the bottom of the fifth, almost 100 pitches into a not-so-great performance, I have no idea. Yes, I understand the concept of not wanting to overtax your bullpen, but Lilly had almost nothing today and with the score at the time 5-3, I'd have thought Lou would have wanted to attempt to generate some offense with the top of the order due up. Incidentally, the HR that Albert Pujols hit off Lilly in the top of the fifth was caught on Waveland by Mo Mullins, one of the veteran ballhawks; he then let one of the kids on the street choose the throwback ball that he then let loose over the bleachers. After the game I walked by the chairs that the ballhawks set up on the corner of Waveland & Kenmore and talk to people going by. Sitting behind Ballhawk Dave was a dry-erase board reading:
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Cub fans 4, Cardinal fans 5
OK, so we won that one, I guess.
After Lilly finally was pulled -- for Mike Fontenot, who hasn't had a hit in a week -- Carmen Pignatiello came in and had one job, retire Ankiel, the only left-handed hitter he was to face. He failed -- Ankiel hit Pignatiello's first and only pitch into the left-field bleachers, making the score 6-4, as a light rain began to fall. Kerry Wood then entered, and got all three batters he faced -- Pujols, Juan Encarnacion, and Rolen -- to fly out, and then the rain fell harder, and play was halted for 87 minutes.
When it resumed, only about 1/3 of the crowd of 40,141 remained, and I was a bit surprised to see Ryan Franklin, who had thrown the sixth, still in the game. Didn't matter -- the Cubs did nothing with him, and it was clear how badly Tony LaRussa wanted this game, because he had his closer, Jason Isringhausen, in the game in the 8th inning, for a rare (at least these days) two-inning save. Isringhausen has been pretty much lights-out this year (only two blown saves, but one of them was in this April 22 game at Wrigley Field, which the Cardinals wound up winning), and although the Cubs got a couple of runners on base in the 8th, Mark DeRosa hit into an inning-ending DP, and the ninth was 1-2-3, and thus ended the series. The Cubs actually had hit Cardinal starter Joel Piniero pretty hard -- in addition to Theriot's double and the two HR, there were five other balls hit very hard for outs (one of which, a sinking liner by DeRosa in the fourth, was snagged on a nice diving catch by Ankiel). Props also to D-Lee for his slick play on Ankiel's sharp grounder down the line to end the top of the fourth, and to good relief outings by Wood and Michael Wuertz, who at least kept the game close.
It doesn't feel very good, but it's another series win, two games to one, in this series abbreviated by rain -- if I never see another raindrop it won't be soon enough, I think my clothes from last night are still drying out -- and the Cubs can maintain their one-game lead if the Brewers lose tonight in Arizona (see the game thread below for the Milwaukee/Arizona Gameday link).
I learned today that a decision on when to make up yesterday's game may come as soon as tomorrow. What that decision is going to be, I have no idea and wasn't given any inkling by my source. As I noted this morning, I believe the best way to make up the game is to hold it to the end of the season and play it Monday, Oct. 1 at Wrigley Field, only if necessary to determine a playoff spot.
Let's hope the game won't be necessary, for the right reasons. Onward and westward, and let's start winning again.
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The pen had yesterday off
Good to see Wood pitch a scoreless inning and good to see Cedeno sent down to where he belongs. Apparently, great Triple A numbers don't always translate into good major league numbers..
Great to see Floyd back.. The bench needs a boost. The teams a bit depleted without Sori..
by CubFaninCA on Aug 20, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno -
by TheEman on Aug 20, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bears
by tbizzle83 on Aug 20, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to go west
The Cubs need to get back to showing an advantage over the BrewCrew on the road.
by LAcarl519 on Aug 20, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My thought on the make up
by mrcubsfan on Aug 20, 2007 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al - why not
I mean, forget the ego. No one on the team can beat him consistently, save Z.
Just let Encarnacion or Rolen beat us (which he did today after going 0-series).
by TheEman on Aug 20, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Hank White...
Glad to see Hank is falling right in-line with our other catchers (although, Kendall has recovered nicely at the plate somewhat).
by TheEman on Aug 20, 2007 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kendall?!
He has 12BB's to only 7K's.
Now if Lou can convince the selfish Alfonz to bat 5th or 6th when he comes back and put TheRiot at leadoff with Kendall 2nd...
by blackhawk24 on Aug 21, 2007 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't Moe - it was me
Moe had just left the game and was walking to his car when the ball came out. Actually, it's kind of a running joke amongst us ballhawks - we always try to convince Moe to leave early so a homer will come out. Call it Moe-phy's Law. Sure enough, today one did.
Funny thing was, the previous inning some guy had given me a free bleacher ticket. I was going to go in but then checked the lineup and figured I'd wait until after Pujols/Encarnacion/Rolen batted one more time.
Of course my refusal to throw the real ball back didn't sit too well with some of left field bleacher fans so I figured I was better off staying outside.
BTW, Pujols is now tied with Soriano for most street homers this year - two!
by ballhawk on Aug 20, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and I have to ask...
The bleacher expansion makes it bit tougher to see the cutoff man so I usually just aim right over some drunk guy (there's always at least one) in the top row.
Anyway, if you saw the throw, is Murton worried about his job now? ;-)
by ballhawk on Aug 20, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cedeno down, Hill DFA
by writerinwrigley on Aug 20, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Umm...I posted this already
by TheEman on Aug 20, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was worth posting again...
So, Blanco returns and Soto will be up on September 1, and that'll give the Cubs a strong catching staff for the stretch run.
by Al on Aug 20, 2007 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed -
by TheEman on Aug 20, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milwaukee puts up an early 3 spot on AZ
by sanantonecub on Aug 20, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
scratch that and double it
by sanantonecub on Aug 20, 2007 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody want to put a line on if
by louslovechild on Aug 20, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was nice meeting you too Al
But it was a great game to watch and enjoyed every minute of it. Hopefully see you again sometime, either at Wrigley or at HoHoKam
by DTJchris on Aug 20, 2007 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tack on 3 more
by sanantonecub on Aug 20, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the only game Milw
by CubFaninCA on Aug 20, 2007 10:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone one see
by Bigdogg2002 on Aug 20, 2007 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rozner says it best
http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/rozner.asp?id=341829
Seam stress
So the Cubs are down 2 runs in the eighth Monday and the Cards send their closer out for a 2-inning save, but the Cubs make Jason Isringhausen throw only 16 pitches in two frames.
After Derrek Lee led with a 6-pitch walk, Aramis Ramirez -- here's a shock -- swung at the first pitch and flied out. After Daryle Ward swung at the first pitch and singled, Mark DeRosa swung at the first pitch and hit into a double play.
In the ninth, Matt Murton swung at the fourth pitch, Jason Kendall at the second and Jake Fox at the first.
Ball game.
by blackhawk24 on Aug 21, 2007 7:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not down yet.
by wombat on Aug 21, 2007 7:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't "lights out"
by Arbusto on Aug 21, 2007 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and about 20 total...
Regardless, did you get the feeling that anyone was going to hit Z Sunday night? After that first batter, he mowed through the lineup.
by SouthernCub on Aug 21, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I did.
by Arbusto on Aug 21, 2007 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I missed a game
by wombat on Aug 21, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Conine signed by Mets
One that slipped through.
by TheEman on Aug 21, 2007 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 good series, 1 bad series
"murton appears to still suck" good conclusion, one bad series, and he had the only cubs hit in the rained out sunday game.
you are ridiculous.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't agree more
by sue369 on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a reminder
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok buddy
plus those numbers arent "downright awful" as you described him.
you simply love to hate a guy who has shown promise and has no reason to be beaten down. give it a rest.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton's last 21 AB's
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could never play defense worth a crud
by SackMan on Aug 21, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are just simply insane
you simply refuse to look at the bigger picture, which is that murton has helped the team since his callup, and his numbers are better in the second half than the first.
you are too ignorant to argue with, saying things like "other than a couple games here and there...blah blah blah" i mean, you could do that for ANY PLAYER.
"well, other than a couple games against st. louis, daryle ward has been DOWNRIGHT AWFUL! in the second half"
give. me. a break. seriously, this argument is over, we've had it way too many times.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
saying things like "take out those games that he did well in...and then youll see how much he sucks"
or
"in his last 21 at bats hes done poorly, therefore hes been 'downright awful' since his call-up"
these arguments are nit-picky and dont reflect the player as a whole.
im done arguing, we've both made our points. we'll see how the rest of the season shapes up.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're gonna start
My fundamental premise is that the guy has sucked pretty much the whole year. People like you can make excuses for him about needing to play every day and doing better in the second half and blah, blah, blah. But he's hitting .254 right now, which is about 15 points below where everyone's favorite punching bag Jacque Jones is hitting, and Jacque Jones plays a pretty good center field. Cut the excuses. The guy has sucked this year and deserves his spot on the bench or in Iowa once Soriano gets healthy or Hendry can sign a decent outfielder.
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is bizarro bcb Jacob...
Murton is certainly not a great player, but if he gets hot, like JJ dis, and hits above .350 for a few weeks with regular playing time, all of the sudden his stats won't look so bad and a lot of the critizism will go away.
On the other hand if he slumps for a few weeks, his number won't get as bad and Cedeno or K. Hill.
This guy is servicable, and capable of better things.
I think he's a free agent after this year. Think we will resign him?
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played pretty much every day
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wherever you are, i'm right there with you.
so true El Borto, so true.
A few observations.
- murton will only have around 2 years of service time at the end of this year so he won't even be arbitration eligible next year. you need 6 years of major league service to become a free agent.
- i agree that calling him a second half player is really goofy. his first second half ('05) was more like a first half since he was called up in july... i certainly wouldn't rely a handful of ABs in '05 and '06 to say he's a good player.
- it's completely silly to discount everything Murton has done before this season in order to say he sucks. he doesn't suck. he has over 2,000 professional plate appearances that say otherwise.
- you can expect a mishandled prospect to have a longer adjustment period. murton went through it to a small degree in '06 and then started to go through it again in '07 before the team quit on him.
by jacob on Aug 21, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this seems like
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad
Kidding, I agree with this statement.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
where are you getting this?
Career first half (371 ab): .272/.344/.369
Career second half (401 ab): .309/.377/.509
the difference in slugging is substantial, and i think its pretty clear the guy does better in the second half.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I was more making a comment on the last 21 games, or over this series or that series claims that were being made.
I think Murton should play. When Soriano comes back have him split time with Floyd or Pie in RF.
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played part time
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yet
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing to note
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother
by krummy12 on Aug 21, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so true
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
He isn't doing a bad job out there, to be fair.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part time?
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before this season
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006
455 AB
not quite fulltime, but very close
2005 he was a July call-up
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
a 150 point gain in slugging from one half to another in 772 at bats is significant.
also, you are hurting your argument by saying "whoa wait, all of those at bats weren't in full time duty" well haha it is more difficult to put up numbers in part time play than everyday at bats, so his numbers would likely be even better had all of those at bats been in regular duty.
anyway you slice it, a career .291/.361/.442 player who leads your team in pitches seen per at bat is a valuable piece to a team. whether it be in part time or regular duty. you cant argue with his career line.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And anyway you slice it
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im just glad
thats this argument in a nutshell, like i said, we'll see how the season plays out and then argue about this in the off season.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude why do you bother???
Cubsbak's argument is really just that, an argument for the sake of arguing. He says that he has proven over 21 games that he "sucks" when there are other players who seem to escape his wrath that hit below .200 or barely above .200 (K. Hill before today).
And before he jumps down my throat about he is a backup catcher and doesn't play enough to judge that well, let's remember "21 at bats". Not saying he loves Hill but why doesn't he bitch and moan about him like he does about Murton (who BTW is only filling in full time until Soriano is back it would appear)?
because people like us do not defend Hill and therefore will not partake in a debate (a pointless on I might add) regarding worth and value.
point is, Murton, IMO, has not been bad. he has shown power, he takes pitches, he makes contact and there are many situations where contact may be all the Cubs need from him (ie. sac fly, GB out/RBI). The guy is doing his job, for the most part and people like Cubsbak will never see that.
I trust that Lou has enough experience to know who needs to be out there and who needs to be on the bench.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was directed at
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know, i know
no one is saying murton is the next billy williams but he's filled in fine in his role. theres no reason to just go out and bash a player because hes not an all star, yet, some here just love to hate murton. arent you guys supposed to be cubs fans? we're in first place, yet all you can do is say "see! look, he just got LUCKY in those three series in a row where he was playing well. HA! murton sucks! this is so much fun!!!"
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I know.
Mention small sample sizes and he will respond by sayingthe whole career numbers suck....then he will mention part time play and the "pointless games" that are "easier to get a hit in" and you will point out nearly full time play last season and he will regress back to this season and disregard his own contradictions.
Bottom line, if you want to partake in an argument like this, go find some 7 year old and tell him Spongebob Squarepants shouldn't be able to talk because a sponge has no lungs.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More cheap shots
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Murton isn't as terrible as we all make him out to be, sure, but he's also not the powerhouse second half ginger that you try to make him out to be. He's somewhere inbetween, right in the area of a serviceable 4th outfielder.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I never said
It's sort of funny. You seem to think I enjoy this, but, frankly, I'm pretty sick of people like you taking cheap shots at me whenever I share my opinion about Murton. Just because I'm unable to see all this value Matt Murton brings to the Cubs like you do, doesn't mean I have something against the guy or I like to argue. I simply think he's not a very good baseball player.
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, are you kidding?
"Murton obviously isn't getting the job done. Murton has pretty much been playing every day since he was brought up and appears to still suck. Other than a few good games in two of the best hitters parks in the league (Colorado and Houston) he's been downright awful. I wonder what excuse his supporters will dream up next."
haha, you are BEGGING people to respond to you, and people did. how could you possibly say you are sick of this, when i end most of my posts with, "lets end this argument now and begin when the seasons over"
not only are you being nit-picky (take out those good games and he SUCKS! HA) and negative, you are being hypocritical.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick of the
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of this argument
Sadly, that kind of writting is all too common on this board. And actual coherent discussion falls to the wayside.
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exceptions can be made
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
this too is welcome
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really???
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid cheap shots on both sides?
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's somehow a cheap shot
I'm pretty sick of people taking shots at Jacque Jones (who's hitting 15 points higher than Murton and playing a nice center field), but I don't take cheap shots at everyone who shares a negative opinion of the guy.
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
As for JJ, I can't remember when the guy got anything but praise from people here since he picked up his game so maybe you my friend, are the overly sensitive one whining about criticism delivered back a month or two.
At least we are annoyed with your CURRENT bashing of players whom we feel do not deserve it.
Your statements are vague, generalized, and do not appear to make any valid points IMO.
THIS, is what I am complaining about.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i am going to do the same as my counterpart
Good day to you.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In response...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's this?
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
Word!
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW EL BORTO!
I am weak that way. Props to kyejo (SP?) for not responding.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright???
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A "slick fielding SS"
Why are his numbers NOT ok for a 4th OF filling in the gap when our starting corner OF (who also hasn't exactly blow the walls off of the production tank this year) is in the DL?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
lets see what he does the rest of the season cubsbak, we have an entire off-season to argue about who should play right field in 2008 and what the cubs should do with murton.
you obviously must have either magglio ordonez, or carl crawford in left to fill in for soriano, so no, murton will never live up to your standards.
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop already
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't call you a name.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You need
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
by kylejo on Aug 21, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you were
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
however
like ive said before, i have nothing against you, it just seems that when we argue our personalities clash, and thats why i tried to end this whole worthless line of posts a while ago.
by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullcrap
by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
goodness my man
seriously im done now, i thought it would be nice to smooth things out, obviously that didnt work out.
by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look around the league
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
My nephews lie about these types of things too sometimes when I catch them contradicting themselves so don't feel bad.
"As far as I can tell, Murton doesn't do anything all that well, except supposedly work deep counts and get on base."
Even though you said supposedly, your comment completely negates all your annoying ranting above. He doesn't have "one skill that can help the ballclub win"?
Last time I checked, working deep counts and getting on base, even if it is "supposed", is helping the team win. But hey, maybe I am wrong about that too.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And cut the crap about your nephews. It's getting really tiresome.
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me if this is indented...
As for my nephews...I will cut nothing out. You can dish it out but you sure can't take it can you???
If you want me to cut it out, then stop commenting to me.
And don't talk about my nephews like that! They are just acting their ages (cough cough).
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would explain a lot.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even a second grader
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel sorry
by sue369 on Aug 21, 2007 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This from someone
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a real
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your post
by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
classic, here i go
by kylejo on Aug 22, 2007 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
by sue369 on Aug 22, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you go back
by cubsbak on Aug 22, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Sorry for offending people here and this is not that important of an issue to get all heated up the way we have.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 22, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dish it out?
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a childish response!
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to ignore my 7 year old nephews too
I suppose there is something about listening and not responding to ignorance that is too hard for me.
Oh well, at least my nephews are REALLY 7 years old.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep 'em coming
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
El Borto,
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh..
Now I guess I'll have to settle for second.
Wait a minute....
WORD!
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH SNAP!
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever
by cubsbak on Aug 21, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Most of this argument
is the result of extreme statements and stupid cheapshots by both sides. Those kind of assinine statements only get people riled up and defensive so they can retort with more cheapshots.Sadly, that kind of writting is all too common on this board. And actual coherent discussion falls to the wayside.
Welcome to the internet.
by Wreckard on Aug 21, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blah blah blah to all this crap!
As for your defenses, as always, "Yeah that's right i think Murton sucks cause i am a seven year old" could not possibly be more ironically perfect.
thank you for making my point!
Oh and PS...I never said he is anything more than a 4th OF either. last I checked, we need one of those since Soriano is out. But I am sure you will say something like "Yeah, well...my dad can beat up your dad".
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice moment yesterday
by zambranofan on Aug 21, 2007 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hank White returns!
I can get behind this.
by cwyers on Aug 21, 2007 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whether or not you liked Hill...
Yes, I know, small sample size, it wasn't all him, etc etc etc.
I'm not saying the Cubs had to keep him. Obviously, with Blanco returning, he had to go. I hope Hank White is ready to play, because he'll probably start Thursday's day game with Z pitching.
by Al on Aug 21, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Z's turnaround
Unlike Barrett, Hill could block a slider in the dirt... so Zambrano had confidence in throwing his nasty stuff again. Hill's catcher ERA = 3.02 (underqualified in # of starts). But, that's 2nd best in the Majors behind Josh Bard, 3.00
by SackMan on Aug 21, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
And how did the Cubs pitching staff pitch better in '04 to Barrett than they did in '03 to Miller?
Catcher ERA is a BS stat - there are WAY too many uncontrollable variables.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then how the heck did Peavy's ERA
Then, they finally pull the plug on the Peavy-Barrett battery, and go with Peavy-Bard. And Peavy's ERA suddenly shrinks back down?
by SackMan on Aug 21, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
I showed you examples of pitchers pitching better to Barrett than other catchers. You can show me examples of pitchers pitching worse.
You are proving my point.
I didn't say that Barrett made pitchers better. I just pointed out that there are numerous examples where pitchers pitched better to him. Catcher ERA is a joke, and a worthless stat that doesn't tell us anything.
CERA is an incredibly volatile stat - it goes all all over the place from year to year. Why did Jason Kendall have such a good CERA with the A's? Because he had a damn good pitching staff throwing to him.
Has the Tigers staff struggled this year because Pudge sucks?
What about the Cardinals staff? They sucked most of the year... is that because Molina sucks?
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone
by tbizzle83 on Aug 21, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: anyone
Now my question: Is anyone else sick of hearing about Rick Ankiel? I know I am. Yeah, yeah -- it's a great comeback story, blahblahblah. Just another instance of the Cards drawing the ace when seemingly every other team in the league winds up with a three of clubs at best.
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 21, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad
by CyberCyclist on Aug 21, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree...
Maybe we should just win the Series and see what they say...
by Mapmaker on Aug 21, 2007 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its silly...
The 'perfect throw' by Rick Vaughn i mean Rick Ankiel was not so perfect, and an absolutely dumb base running mistake on Theriots part made it look better than it was. But there was no mention of that.
Now La Russa is up for coach of the year, and Pujols is now back in the MVP race. Give me a break.
They are still streaking even though they lost 2 of 3 to the first place team???? Seriously.
At least Joe Morgan gave us some credit on his chat this morning saying that we have the best chance to win the division...kinda shocked at that.
by HIGGY on Aug 21, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum tonight, Zito tomorrow....
I'm usually an optimist, but 1-2 in SF may be our best result.
by cubbie08 on Aug 21, 2007 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So what?
by cubsnlinux on Aug 21, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right....
by cubbie08 on Aug 21, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well - he had 5 BB's
He is NOT Jamie Moyer!
by TheEman on Aug 21, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lincecum=Rich Harden
by gary varsho on Aug 21, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know he's a lefty
I just choked on my optimism.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito vs. Hill tomorrow....
by Al on Aug 21, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be...
And of course, I must end by saying Zito will throw a no hitter now that I crapped all over him. Whether he pitches well or not, I think we can all agree that contract is the thing GMs have nightmares about.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I have seen Zito pitch this year....
Yes, I'll be disappointed not winning 2 of 3, I'm just being realistic in saying we have our hands full w/ Lincecum & Zito---we could certainly start off 0-2 (I really hope not).
by cubbie08 on Aug 21, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience at the plate will be key...
I don't see Mil winning their next 2 in AZ, especially against Webb tomorrow, so it'd be nice to take advantage of that.
by cubbie08 on Aug 21, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito is terrible this year
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 21, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice to see Hank White back...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad.....
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt Murton needs
Mr. One-Handed-Catch
by TheEman on Aug 21, 2007 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
......move along......
by hawkeyenation on Aug 21, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once Cliffy is ready
by Matt Allison on Aug 21, 2007 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way off topic...
For a site that promotes all that stat/pie chart crap (seemingly intellectual content), their ideas and statements are quite childish and ridiculous. As SDSJM stated there, if you say anything other than something they agree with (mainly, the Brewers are the BEST and will win it all), youare called a troll and perhaps even banned like I was.
SDSJM and BeerCub, I do not know how you keep your cool over there!
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read that too
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course we can
what a silly generalization you just made. any brewer fan can see that the reds have been playing winning ball as of late, and yet they still have the most losses in the NL.
the objections are on another level entirely. it's foolish to look at the results over a select period of time and make generalizations about the team. and it's rude to do it with the express purpose of antagonizing. that was classic trolling by that poster.
by jacob on Aug 21, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon jacob
You don't strike me as an unreasonably sensitive person.
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like
by Matt Allison on Aug 21, 2007 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the other bcb
by mike on Aug 21, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't type
by mike on Aug 21, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice!
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's all yours azweber9
by El Borto on Aug 21, 2007 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to thank...
(This was actually my Josh Vitters, 7th inning stretch speech reenactment)
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 21, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Baseruning 101
101 B - Theroit never make the 1st out of an inning getting thrown out at 3rd base.
Theroit has a pass in my book due to his energy and spirit.
Soriano just aint that smart.
Being from CT I went to many NYY games and watched AS in the on deck circle. He thinks he's Derek Jeter flashing winks at the ladies.
Focus and play smart baseball !!! Thats what your paid $$$ to do.
just my 2 cents
by parrotinct on Aug 21, 2007 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Energy and Sprit"
So Theriot gets a pass for being stupid, because he has a lot of "energy and spirit."
But Soriano doesn't get a pass for being stupid, even though he is well known around baseball for his "energy and spirit."
I see...
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Energy & Spirit
Theriot has shown after his call up last year and this year that he goes all out every innnig of ever game
Except for a good 2 week period what has AS done ??? . I (we) dont care about the past with AS. Its about this year and beyond
I (we all) just wished he stopped at 2nd that Sunday night. Baserunning 101
by parrotinct on Aug 21, 2007 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What?!?!
Are you really questioning Soriano's effort? You may be the first...
As for what has Soriano done, compared to Theriot? That is kinda funny. Lets look:
Soriano: .297/.336/.511, 18/23 SBs, 18 HR, 74 R
Theriot: .290/.352/.376, 22/26 SBs, 3 HR, 68 R
Go ahead and take Theriot.
I'll take Soriano.
Soriano hasn't had a great year - but he hasn't had a terrible year either. And he has had some injury issues that have hampered his play.
But to claim that Soriano has less than desired effort is pretty silly. That is one area where you will rarely, if ever, see Soriano get questioned.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further...
Both Soriano and Theriot hustle every day, every game.
And both have made some stupid decisions.
And neither of them should get a pass for it.
by big_lowitzki on Aug 21, 2007 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any idea
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 21, 2007 3:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is starting on Thursday,
by cubsfan4life on Aug 21, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he
by sue369 on Aug 21, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid west coast
by GoCubbies34 on Aug 21, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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