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The Ace Is Wild

It wasn't just Carlos Zambrano being wild last night -- although that was a big part of the problem, not walks but the two times he hit Rickie Weeks, because he scored on one of them, and also got a hit and scored on that one, too.

The critical error made by Ryan Theriot, dropping a Mark DeRosa throw in the Brewers' four-run seventh inning, was the play on which the Cubs' 6-1 loss to the Brewers turned, and here I'm going to blame a guy I've praised so often -- DeRosa.

What was he thinking, making that throw? Here's the game situation: one out, runner on first, Z reaching about the end of the line. In my opinion, DeRosa had ZERO chance to throw Weeks out at second base; he should have taken the easy out at first. This would have left Weeks on second with two out, the score still 2-1, and Prince Fielder due up.

Obviously, then Fielder would have been intentionally walked, and Carlos Marmol, who was up three or four different times without getting into the game, would have come on to face Ryan Braun. Instead, Fielder singled, loading the bases, and then Braun smacked a double over Aramis Ramirez' head, scoring two runs and chasing Z in favor of Scott Eyre, who's been good lately. Not last night, though; Eyre gave up two straight hits, putting the game out of reach, but when he ended the inning with a double play ball from Johnny Estrada, Eyre's ERA actually went down to 5.14. Kerry Wood and Michael Wuertz at least didn't give up any more runs, and despite having runners in scoring position in the 8th and 9th off Derrick Turnbow and Francisco Cordero (odd to see Cordero in a non-save situation, but the Brewers have been so bad lately that Cordero hadn't thrown at all in eight days).

And that was that. Here are some numbers you wouldn't expect -- the club's record with each of the five current starting pitchers:

Zambrano: 14-14 Lilly: 14-13 Marquis: 17-10 Hill: 12-14 Marshall: 9-8


(The six other games were started by Angel Guzman, 1-2, and Wade Miller, 0-3.)
And that's our $90 million ace? I love Z, love his passion for the game, love his fastball, even love watching him swing the bat so hard it could have almost pushed back the wind blowing in pretty hard from center field last night. But he's got to start winning. Bruce Miles wonders, too:
"You know, I'm waiting for the guy that won nine in a row earlier in the year," Lou Piniella said, citing a stretch from June 6-July 29, when Zambrano actually went 9-2. "I don't know what the problem is, but he certainly hasn't been pitching like he was when he was on that streak."


Last night was coolish, with the wind blowing in, so no one was going to hit the ball out of the park (Weeks nearly did leading off the game, pushing Cliff Floyd back to the ivy to catch his fly ball, and Floyd briefly had to be checked out by the training staff), and though it was announced as another sellout of 40,512 (raising the season average to 40,079), there were blocks of empty seats in the upper deck. Some of those in attendance in the bleachers brought rather lame-worded signs trying to play off the name "Sheets" -- they were, in fact, so lame I can't even remember them to replicate them here.
I wanted to say something here about some of the name-calling that I've found (and had some emails about) in the game threads. Look. No one is saying that every single comment has to be optimistic, or ignore bad play. But as has been noted in this diary, it is impossible for even the best baseball team of every season to go 162-0. Sometimes teams are going to lose and look really bad doing it -- and the next day they could come out and look like champions. Unload your angst if you must but I will insist on this -- no insulting or name-calling of other posters here!!! If you want your opinions respected, the least you can do is respect the thoughts of others.
Thanks. Now, a couple of final thoughts of my own. Take a look at the current records of the ten (yes, TEN) teams that are still, on August 30, within 5.5 games of a playoff spot (listed in percentage order):
NYM  73 59 .553 SD   73 59 .553 ARI  74 60 .552 PHI  70 62 .530 LAD  70 63 .526 ATL  69 65 .515 CUBS 67 64 .511 COL  68 65 .511 MIL  66 66 .500 STL  64 65 .496


Not only are all those teams still within striking distance of either a division lead or the wild card lead, but from top to bottom those ten are only separated by 7.5 games. That, this late in the season, is unprecedented. It ought to make for a wild finish. In the meantime, despite yesterday's loss, the Cubs still remain 1.5 games in first place, and in case you don't have an idea of how to handle that, I'll give the final word to Mike:

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lou
some blame has to go to lou for not pulling zambrano earlier. afterall, carlos does have a propensity to lose focus after his defense gives an extra out.

btw, isn't marmol #1 in mlb as far as inherited runners is concerned?

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 8:56 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree with the comment on Lou.
Z looked gassed and frustrated with the bases loaded and I thought at the time that someone else should face Braun.

I also threw up a little in my mouth when Eyre came in to face what appeared to be the one lefty, let the runner score, then was left in.

I had the pleasure of sitting in front of a couple of very large, very loud, mammals in brewer gear.  They must live by the motto of drink more/think less.  I saw a lot of well behaved brewer fans, wish I could have sat near them.

by N Oakley on Aug 30, 2007 9:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep..
My buddy and I both agreed Z looked gassed and thought for sure Piniella was going to pull him. My buddy commented that he didn't want to see Marmol brought in with the bags juiced with his tendency to be wild.

By the way..Piniella needs to have that baby..

Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hahahaha
i've always thought that blue long sleeved shirt he wears looks like maternity clothing...

by numike on Aug 30, 2007 1:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

For anyone who has visited Al, this cartoon
is pretty funny. Al, even you have to admit he's captured you. Wish I had another visit with you in the bleachers coming up but I'm left with the TV. Thanks for every great read thoughout the season.

I bet Lou in hindsight would have taken out Z. We can all see that Marmol should have came in now.

I stated in another diary Aram is pushing a little. Rest him or get him going, we need that RBI bat.

We're seeing quite a few lefties soon, let's get that taken care of starting today.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Aug 30, 2007 9:02 AM CDT   0 recs

Crap!
From rotoworld:

The Cubs are expected to recall LHP Will Ohman when rosters expand on Sept. 1.
Ohman complained about a "barking" shoulder when he was demoted earlier this month, but he has pitched well at Triple-A. Catcher Geovany Soto, RHP Sean Gallagher IF Ronny Cedeno, IF Eric Patterson, LHP Carmen Pignatiello and RHP Rocky Cherry are also potential candidates to join the major league roster.

=====

why?

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 30, 2007 9:07 AM CDT   0 recs

maybe because he will make a difference
Ohman was put in a situation that was out of his element, meaning more than LOOGY-Lefty One-Out-GuY...

He has 12 holds and one save...

In April he made 10 appearances, 7.2-IP 4-ER, 8 of 10 no runs, in May 12 appearances, 5.1-IP, 5-ER, 10 of 12 no runs, in June 13 appearances 12-IP, 5-ER 9 of 12 no runs, in July 10 appearances, 5.2-IP, 1-ER, 9 of 10 no runs scored...in August 2 appearances 1.1-IP 5-ER...in essence why he was sent down in that he had 5 consecutive no run appearances until those two games.

Overall he has had 37 inherented runners and 5 have scored.

Ohman is an effective LOOGY...not much more.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no way...
What was he thinking, making that throw? Here's the game situation: one out, runner on first, Z reaching about the end of the line. In my opinion, DeRosa had ZERO chance to throw Weeks out at second base; he should have taken the easy out at first.

Sorry Al - but that error is completely on Theriot.  DeRosa made a good throw, and he would have been out easily if Theriot would have caught the ball.

DeRosa made the right decision; Theriot blew the play.

Again - have you actually seen the replay?  

No way was that DeRosa's fault.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 30, 2007 9:08 AM CDT   0 recs

Sorry, I still disagree.
Take the sure out, walk Fielder, and get Z out of there, because he was about gassed. Marmol could have handled Braun easily, inning over, still 2-1.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

derosa to theriot...
should have been a sure out. that play was a simple case of theriot trying to get two before he had one.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

totally agree..
n/t
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The sure out?
Second base was a sure out.  In the major leagues you don't anticipate that your shortstop is going to drop the ball.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The "sure out"...
... on a routine ground ball to second base, is to throw to first.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Again...
... have you seen a replay?

The out at second shouldn't have been an issue.  It was the right decision, and Theriot blew it.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 30, 2007 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I watched the replay.
It wasn't as routine as you make it sound. Theriot seemed a bit out of position. I'd still have taken the easy out at first.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Theriot out of position
he was out of position because he was trying to turn a DP on a play he should've just straddled the base and taken the force

he was out of position because he was trying to get himself in position to make a quick throw to 1b

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

exactly!
cart before the horse!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Taken the force?
But that's not how players position themselves on such plays, is it? Weren't they set up in DP position?

I still think the inning would have come out just fine under my scenario.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

With the benefit
of hindsight, knowing Theriot was going to drop a routine throw, it's easy to say that.  But DeRosa made the right decision.  The minimal risk of throwing to second was worth the reward of keeping a runner out of scoring position.  Unfortunately Theriot dropped the ball.  Are you advocating that a fielder should never throw to 2nd base with 1 out in an inning?  Because I'm pretty sure any team that actually did that would give up a lot more runs in the long run versus a team that routinely threw to second.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No, I'm not saying that.
It appeared to me on that particular play, DeRosa made the wrong choice, and Theriot wasn't in the right position to take the throw.

You're right that in 99% of similar situations, you try to get the lead runner.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

prior to the ball being hit
you're set up in DP position or not, once the ball is hit its the players discretion to choose whether they go for 2, take the force, or go to first base

theriot made the wrong decision trying to turn 2 on a play that would've been nearly impossible to turn 2 on and he dropped the ball

there are PLENTY of times during the year the DP Duo is in "DP Position" before the balls hit and they only get a force and hold the ball instead of throwing it to first

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The-Riot
has made 10 errors all year.

I just can't get on him too much...

Tuesday's game was much different for him.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 10:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Much better than Cedeno's 25 Es
Last year
1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

STILL
You have to catch that ball. The position his body was in wasn't that bad, but the position of his mind  is the issue. You see it a hundred times. He was thinking about throwing the ball and turning two before he even caught it. As far as taking the sure out, I think either one are acceptable plays. It just seems worse because Theriot booted it. Its a clear error which shows Theriot at fault. Bottom line...if he catches it, its an out anyway you slice it.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Aug 30, 2007 11:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

IMHO, he
was mostly worried about getting injured. Not catching the ball.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 30, 2007 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But the first
baseman can drop the ball just as easily as the shortstop can.  They're both pretty sure and you're taught to get the lead runner, particularly late in a tight game you don't want to let a guy get into scoring position when you can easily get him out.  DeRosa knew he had time and he made a good throw.  Theriot just dropped it.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh, come on.
How many times is Derrek Lee going to drop a routine throw at first base?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How many times
is Theriot gonna drop a throw at 2nd?  The difference isn't much.  That's a good risk to take if you can keep a guy out of scoring position in a 1-run game in the 7th inning.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm
The "sure out"...

... on a routine ground ball to second base, is to throw to first.

so, you believe that it was imprudent of derosa to try and keep weeks out of scoring position in a 2-1 game?

if theiot does what any other ss would do in that situation, 99.9% of the time, the cubs would have had two outs with a runner on 1st.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't be series
about DeRosa.  He had Weeks out easily at second.  Theriot just dropped the ball.  

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 9:09 AM CDT   0 recs

I agree
Derosa made a nice play.  The ball glances off theriot glove - should have caught the ball.  On a lighter note, Santo's analysis of the play was quite comical.

by jbowling13 on Aug 30, 2007 10:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks Al
For backing my boy Theriot, but he should have completed that play at second.  We will need that level of play as the weeks move toward October.  Knowing him, he'll learn from the experience and is probably setting up practice scenarios now, pestering his teammates so he can get that one right next time.

by Cajuncub on Aug 30, 2007 10:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Observing Big Z implode last night...
...brought to mind the following lyrics from a David Bowie classic:
We've got five years, stuck on my eyes
We've got five years, what a surprise
We've got five years, my brain hurts a lot
We've got five years, that's all we've got

Don't get me wrong. I haven't given up on Z, but, man...he's got to do better. He's just got to.

If the Cubs had lost 2-1 or even 3-1, I'd say...hey, y'know, Ben Sheets is a great pitcher, he stepped up and pitched a great game for his team...kudos to him and Big Z for pitching competitively. But it seems like Big Z had a tendency to fall apart late in the games when the Cubs are trailing. (Disclaimer: I don't have time at the moment to research this impression. Maybe someone else can help me out here.)

Of course, I still must begrudgingly give props to Ben Sheets. This guy did exactly what the Brewers needed -- he played the stopper, gave them hope, provided an example of just how an ace starter can be a team leader.

Ah, well. It's on to the no-name lefty tonight. Craig Monroe, be our savior.

"Maybe the wind's blowing out on top, and inside the ballpark it's blowing in -- who the hell knows?" ~ Lou Piniella, 8/29/07

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 30, 2007 9:21 AM CDT   0 recs

Bowie
Great to see a Bowie reference here! Thanks!
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 30, 2007 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Glad you liked it!
"Maybe the wind's blowing out on top, and inside the ballpark it's blowing in -- who the hell knows?" ~ Lou Piniella, 8/29/07

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 30, 2007 9:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree
You hope with your "ace" going that at times even a 1 run lead would be enough. I almost never get that feeling anymore with Z. I still love the guy to death, but he has to start stepping up.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry Al
i'm hopping on you on this one as well.

DeRosa made the right play he had Weeks by 2-3 feet

Theriot made the boneheaded play by trying to turn two on a ball that was too slowly hit and too far in the hole to turn

it was a simple force play

and theriot blew it

Riot's been great all season but last night he was HORRIBLE and one of the main reasons we lost

not getting a sac bunt down with runners on 1st and 2nd and 0 out (of course why are we sac bunting with their starter on the roaps early in the game and the middle of the lineup coming up.... but thats another discussion altogether)

he also had an atrocious AB right after Soriano's ATROCIOUS AB in the 5th, where Riot grounded out on the 1st pitch he saw

in the middle innings the Cubs should have consciously been trying to work counts and get Sheets out knowing he didnt have the stamina to last 100 pitches

instead they flailed away, swinging at everything

Riot's been the hero MANY TIMES this year so its tough to get on him, but last night he was the goat

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

Sacrifice
I agree..why give up an out so early in the game with your boppers comming up? Made no sense to me. Piniella got a lotta luv on another diary for his in-game management. I can't say I agree. He's really about average. He makes questionable moves all the time. His questionable moves are just different ones than the previous manager used to make.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

be careful
the lou-lovers will come out with a vengence if you speak negatively about him

havent you heard?

Lou Pineilla is the reason this team wins

and when it doesnt win, well Jim Hendry or the players are the reason

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 3:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Look
who's playing childish games now.  Stop antagonizing people.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 3:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what are you stalking me?
the comment didnt specifically reference you in anyway

i've actively tried to ignore you

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 3:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

So
childish.  You go on actively ignoring me.  Unfortunately for you this is a public forum and when you publish something I disagree with I'm gonna respond.

by cubsbak on Aug 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Isn't that the truth.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What is going on with the Bats ???
I see one of the problems is the teams aproach at the plate. last night the Brewers made some bad swings turn into hits and RBI's. All of our big guys go up hacking for HR's. This combined with 3 games in the last week where they cant get bunts down

DLee & A-Ram have not seen a pitch on the inner half of the plate in weeks.

Soriano swung at 2 balls 2 - 3 feet in front of the plate.

Hopefully they can adjust and show a little more paitence at the plate, execute those bunts and spray the ball around the entire field.

This team should be 5 games + in front right now.

Keep the faith !!!

by parrotinct on Aug 30, 2007 9:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Agree on one thing
Lee and Aram have not seen a pitch on the inner half. Santo is saying it so much it's become boring. Hitters hit pitchers mistakes. Right now know one is making a mistake to Aram or Lee. This is where Gerald Perry must take over and insist on adjustments. Lee seems to get into hitters counts more than Aram. I know many have been critical of him taking good pitches but that's still probably the best route.

My humble opinion is everything will work out in the long run. The bats will get hot when September comes and the players see the light at the end of the tunnel.

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Aug 30, 2007 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I still think it's...
...the fear of batting with 2 strikes. Guys swing earlier in the count. Being able to hit with 2 strikes affords the confidence to go deeper in the counts. And this is 2-fold benefit. 1, you get more opportunities for the pitcher to make a mistake in your favor. 2, you run up the opposing pitchers' pitch count.

It's funny how things go about the power, or lack-of recently. Back in '04 the Cubs lead the NL, if not all of MLB, in HR's but was below avg in runs scored. In fact they were near the top in % of runs scored via the HR.

Now, the HR is missing, and there's a lot of angst. Just like the 10 game stretch a couple months or so ago that the team didn't hit a HR; they went 7-3 in that stretch. I'd like to see that right now.

As for D-Lee, I wonder about his eye-sight. He's been taking more called strike 3's than I can remember. I thought he always had a keen eye. A-Ram's contact numbers are still pretty good and remember he's playing with 2 ailments and will continue to be a bit below 100% until late October...

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

By the way
Soriano had one of the worst atbats I've ever seen last night, swinging at one pitch that bounced 5 feet in front of the plate. He should've done a minor league game or two if that's how rusty he is.

by jazzypete on Aug 30, 2007 9:58 AM CDT   0 recs

that ab...
was patterson-esque!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

his AB against SHouse was just as AB
first pitch: FB low and away, ball 1
second picth: FB low and away, ball 2

third pitch: FB low and away (would've been Ball 3), Soriano weekly grounds out to short trying to pull the ball and almost an inning-ending DP

to be up 2-0 in the count with 2 on and to swing at the same exact pitch you've seen twice thats out of the zone... is frustrating to watch

this is what we get with Sori though, flashes of brilliance in extended hot streaks, but he's always been exploited by breaking balls and top-flight pitching

when runners are on he gets pitched around and often gets himself out

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 30, 2007 10:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That pitch looked like it bounced
in the friggin GRASS!!!!!!

And don't worry... he heard the boo birds big time after that hideous AB.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It Was Awful
I love Fonzie, but that was one of the worst at-bats I think I have ever seen from a star hitter.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 30, 2007 3:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I've attended so many of Big Z's starts
this year...

And, I've been let down so many friggin times. Last night, due to the serious implications of this game, was the biggest let down so far.  

And let me just crow: that even though we're in a race, there's still a bunch of drunk frat boy retards in the stands near me, who have absolutely no passion for the game whatsoever. really pisses me off.  

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:22 AM CDT   0 recs

I have to say...
... that the drunken frat boy activity DOES decrease when the games are close and/or the Cubs are winning.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 30, 2007 10:29 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wish there was a security checkpoint for DFB
"DFB" = Drunken Frat Boy

Oh... and another checkpoint for families with 5 kids from Rockford, who have to constantly get up out of their seats and purchase more food and drinks every inning... then never learn the courtesy of when to enter or exit the row.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

haha..couldn't agree more..
My favorite is the Maroon that needs to stand up to get his money out of his pocket to buy beer. Last night on of these geniuses bought a round for about 6 people and proceded to play bartender and pass them out (while standing in front of us of course). Finally I couldn't contain myself and had to less than politely tell the guy to sit down.
Well, sometimes nothin is a real cool hand.

by wicubfan on Aug 30, 2007 11:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

When to enter or exit the row ....
Having spent most of my life sitting in the bleachers with my brother in right field at the end of our row (just over 1000 games and counting), ....

My experience is that MOST of the folks showing up these days have little or no concept of good fan etiquette.  

Even worse is that the overwhelming majority really have no desire to acquire any knowledge of how to behave, either -- just try politely pointing out something and see what kind of reaction it brings !!!

No wonder glass beer bottles are no longer handed to spectators -- they'd become weapons ....

by wrigley1 on Aug 30, 2007 2:49 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed 100%
This is true not just at Wrigley, but pretty much throughout MLB.  Strangely enough, however, in Philly of all places the ushers will not allow people to go back to their seat during an at-bat and hold people at the top of the aisles.

I've been sitting down in the 100s on the aisle the last couple of nights, and it has literally been impossible to see half the game over the vendors and people standing up and moving during the game.  I'm happily going back to my regular seat in the terraces tonight, because at least the view stays unobstructed for the whole game.

I really wish management would try to do at least something to try to encourage more polite behavior, but they are more interested in selling beer and casual fans than they are in people who really want to actually watch the baseball.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Aug 30, 2007 3:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How about a BCB etiquette T-Shirt
It could have the rules listed on the shirt itself of what etiquette is at a ball game:
  1.  Return to your seat only after an at-bat or during an inning.
  2.  Don't stand up during an at-bat.  
  3.  Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through a ballgame.
  4.  Don't throw stuff on the field - Ever!  Have some self respect.
  5.  Verbal abuse to the other team is encouraged, but leave profanity and the ballplayer's momma out of it.
  6.  The game happens on the field.  Pay attention to it or you might get a foul ball upside the head.
What did I forget?

by NO100 on Aug 30, 2007 3:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Leadoff
I know it's only two games, but since Soriano is back, the leadoff position has gone to zero as has Theriot in the 2-hole.  

When are fragile egos (Soriano wants to leadoff, Zambrano will throw a tantrum if Lou takes him out) going to stop being the priority on this team?

The last good Cub to wear #21 was Al Spangler.

by psennett on Aug 30, 2007 10:25 AM CDT   0 recs

Oh... and for all the positives Kendall brings
He should just never even attempt to throw a runner out at second. They're gonna run on him at will anyway. It's not like one of his throws is:
A. gonna nail a runner, or
B: make them hesitate to run on him in the future.

Just don't throw. OK. They all end up in CF anyway.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:28 AM CDT   0 recs

Players who fail to read BCB threads...
...are doomed to repeat mistakes.      (ok, that's pretty lame, but hey - I haven't had any caffeine yet)

Dropped balls at second, hit by pitches, swinging at 55 ft pitches notwithstanding, I thought the critical moment of last night's game happened early on when Theriot couldn't get the sac bunt down with Soriano and Z on base.

If successful, then it's 2nd and 3rd with one out, and Lee's base hit easily scores Z and probably Soriano (even with the bum leg).  Instead we're left with bases loaded and eventually no runs.

Made me think of yesterday's (?) thread about bunts and whether players actually practice bunting or not.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 10:35 AM CDT   0 recs

Bunting "practice"
Incidentally, I watched the beginning of batting practice yesterday through the knothole in right field - first group of hitters (mostly pitchers) all did about 4-5 bunts each, then next time through reverted to their normal swings.

While they were all able to get their bunts down, I found it interesting that not a single player squared around.  They all did that awkward lean-over-from-the-waist, twist-the-hips, move-hand-up-the-bat stance.  Looked kind of lackadaisical to me.  

So to whoever raised the question yesterday - yes, they do practice their bunts, but it sure ain't pretty.

[I just got out my Eric Karros game used bat and tried that stance.  Ouch! - I think I pulled something...]

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It pains me to watch guys stab at the pitch
That's how you end up with easily fielded little pop-up bunts, or hard hit bunts.

You're supposed to "catch" the pitch with the bat, and deaden the ball.

1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

They never read our BCB 10 Commandments
1-RUN GAMES = 16-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 34-32 | updated on 8/30

by SackMan on Aug 30, 2007 10:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i believe...
the cubs did score in the inning you're referencing.
it is the same inning soriano was called safe at 3b
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 2007 10:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oops - you're right
yep - forgot that Z scored on ARam's sac fly.  I guess I was too busy thinking Lou should bring in Tom Emanski for a special session with the Cubs on bunting.

Yes, Fred McGriff can come too...

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/caple/030709.html

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Aug 30, 2007 11:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Let's trade them all!
Trade Lee for Kyle Farnsworth and eat the salary!

Trade Soriano for Corey Patterson and Cezar Izturis!

Drop Ramirez down to the 8-hole and bring up someone from Boise!

Deport Zambrano!!!

Castrate Theriot!!!! (And DeRosa too, since we can't agree on whose fault it was!)

Lee apathetic??? Jesum H. Christmas, are we reading minds now?

I mean, I'm sorry he isn't nailing himself to a cross to satisfy your rage, but, really, get over yourselves.

by lancaster99 on Aug 30, 2007 10:37 AM CDT   0 recs

doctor, heal thyself
Lee apathetic??? Jesum H. Christmas, are we reading minds now?

good point, but can you read his mind and determine that he's not apathetic?

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Aug 30, 200