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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Mets, Sunday 8/5, 7:05 CT

Alyellontoppscard_tiny by Al Yellon on in Game Threads

Here are a few miscellaneous overlooked facts about a game that is going to get a tremendous amount of hype tonight.

The Cubs' attendance record for a 3-game series is 124,810, set during the Milwaukee series at the end of June. The first two games of the Mets series have drawn a total of 82,924. Thus if the announced paid crowd is 41,887 or more, that would break that one-month-old record. The largest crowd of the year so far is 41,909 on the Saturday of that Milwaukee series. Another attendance note: the Cubs' current season attendance is 2,277,806, an average of 39,961 per date. If they draw 42,194 tonight (unlikely; the above-mentioned 41,909 is the largest announced crowd since the bleacher expansion last year), that would make the average exactly 40,000 for 58 dates.

On to a few notes about Tom Glavine's second attempt to win his 300th career game. Wrigley Field has been the home to a 500th HR (Ernie Banks' in 1970) and a 3000th hit (Stan Musial's, in 1958). The Cubs have had a 300th victory recorded against them (Warren Spahn's), but that was in Milwaukee on August 11, 1961.

So I asked Mike to do a little research into which parks had two or three of these major milestones. Here's what he found:

PARKS WITH ALL THREE (500/3000/300) ACTIVE OR DEFUNCT
Busch Stadium II, St. Louis. 500th HR: Griffey, McGwire. 3000th hit: Brock. 300th win: Carlton.
Angels Stadium, Anaheim (various names) 500th HR: Jackson. 3000th hit: Carew, Brett. 300th win: Sutton.

ACTIVE PARKS WITH TWO (in addition to Wrigley Field):
AT&T Park, San Francisco. 500th HR: Bonds. 300th win: Maddux.
Yankee Stadium, New York. 500th HR: Mantle, Rodriguez. 300th win: Seaver, Clemens.
Metrodome, Minneapolis. 500th HR: Thomas. 3000th hit: Winfield, Ripken, Murray.

The West Side Grounds was the site of Nichols' 300th win, and Anson's 3000th hit (traditional numbering, depends on which reference you accept).

And then he added:

This was a SOB to compile, I couldn't find one list that gave all the parks or all the box scores.

That said, let's hope Wrigley Field stays, after tonight, on the "two-milestone" list.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Jason Marquis
 J. Marquis
Cubs		 vs. Tom Glavine
 T. Glavine
Mets
8-6 W-L 9-6
4.22 ERA 4.38
72 SO 62
52 BB 49
17 HR 18
vs. NY -- vs. Cubs
Despite the Cubs' lack of success vs. LHP this season (10-16, worst in the NL), the idea of beating Glavine isn't that much of a stretch. Like his former teammate Greg Maddux, Glavine's not the five-time 20-game winner he once was. He is 14-13, 3.64 vs. the Cubs, but in his last seven starts at Wrigley Field dating back to 1996, he's only 1-4, 4.85. He got a no-decision in a 5-4 Mets win at Shea on May 14, allowing four ER in 6 IP.

His opponent that day was tonight's opponent, Jason Marquis, who threw pretty well in his last start. The Cubs are 14-8 in games Marquis has started (despite his own pedestrian 8-6, 4.22 mark), and are 4-0 in games he has started at Wrigley Field since I acquired my Marquis jersey.

Yes, I know that doesn't really have anything to do with Marquis' or the team's actual performance. But can't we have a little fun? Perhaps more importantly than those records, the Cubs are 10-2 in games Marquis has started at Wrigley Field. He is 6-2, 3.79 at home. Glavine is 3-5, 5.53 on the road.

Among player matchups, Ramon Castro is .455/.500/1.091 vs. Marquis (5-for-11 with a double and 2 HR) and Aramis Ramirez is .500/.571/.955 (11-for-22, a double, 3 HR, 5 walks) vs. Glavine.

Here's today's Mediacenter if you want to follow any of the other games; today's Cubs/Mets game is, of course, on national cable TV.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

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PHI 6 - 6 MIL
Amazing 5-run comeback by the Phils, capped off with a 2-RBI single by Aaron Rowand.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Phillies in Milwaukee
tie it in the bottom of the 9th with 5 runs!  Now it is 6-6.  And we dump on Dempster!

by zevkalman on Aug 5, 2007 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Milwaukee's Err-Rod comes through with a
crucial error in top of ninth.  All tied 6-6 now.  So much for the "feel good"  win yesterday.  And unlike Wrigley, I good hear f-bombs being hurled at Braun (on the TV) after he missed that grounder.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 4:15 PM CDT reply actions  

My point is
the crowd went well beyond "boos" in the top of the 9th.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

...and then on to the 16th inning
Let's tire out their bullpen for the road trip ahead.

by zevkalman on Aug 5, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phils ahead 8-6, top of 11th!
n/t
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where'd all the Mets fans come from??
Was at Wrigley yesterday, and have never seen so many opp fans in the crowd. Any guesses as to why? Obviously the Mets' success this season will surely draw traveling groupies, just wondering if there was any more to it than that (and if there isn't, how the hell did so many of em get better seats than me??). My buddy guessed there are tons of Mets fans in Chicago. I guess there are worse places for New Yorkers to relocate to (what's up Boston), but I still wasn't buying that.

by mrsmiff on Aug 5, 2007 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I second this.
I was sitting UD box in LF and they even got a (quickly extinguished) "Let's Go Mets" chant going. There did seem to be quite a contingent of Met fans there, at any rate.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 5, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LIke Chicagoans
Ex-New Yorkers are everywhere...however....The Mets are the equivalent to the White Sox. When the Mets win, the Mets 'fans' are everywhere. I've seen this in SD so much. Dodgers fans are also in Petco -- same with Cubs fans, win or lose.

That's not the case with Mets fans -- if they are NOT winning, they are not attending games in SD. (Perhaps there's a bigger crowd of ex-patriots in LA)

Mets fans love their team, win or tie.

NY is a Yankees town. Always will be. The Mets entertain sometimes, but are always #2.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it just me,
or does Derrick Turnbow look like he was hit by a bus at some point in his life?
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 5, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions  

He was left on a bus
and raised on the Ralph Kramden diet
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact, he was.
And as soon as he got up, he did two cc's of heroin and followed Phish around for a year.

by mrsmiff on Aug 5, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Braun...
Is currently petitioning to get the brewers moved back to the AL so he can DH...or at least he shoudl be
Neifi Perez: Proving Amphetamines do not enhance performance

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

It hasn't been this quiet in Milwaukee
since they outlawed animal/human breeding in the State of Wisconsin.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 4:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Way to go Phillies!
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!1 8-6 phils.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

8-6
Neifi Perez: Proving Amphetamines do not enhance performance

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

8-6
Wes Helms 2 RBI double
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

YES!
2 run double Wes Helms!

This game is a dagger to the BrewCrew. Have fun on the road, guys.

Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 5, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes! 8-6!
Ryne Sandberg Game, June 23, 1984, he was 5 for 6, 7 RBI's

by mweil on Aug 5, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Just showed a picture of Jacob
in the stands at Miller Park
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

If gameday is correct
Parra looks completely wild.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

alright, come on phillies,
shut them down.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 4:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Given the look of most
of those Brewer fans, I am guessing there must have been 15,000 Winnebagos at Miller Park today.  It will take forever for them to commit suicide by carbon monoxide poisoning after this one!

But given the pop of these Brewer bats, I wouldn't be surprised if they come back again today.

Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 5:00 PM CDT reply actions  

They will soon be abandoning
the 'Crew for the Packers, anyway. It's just going to coem a bit later than usual.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome catch
Rowand slams into the wall to catch Braun's smash.

Fielder grounds out. 2 down

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

seems like mench walks a lot now.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

let's get an out.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 5:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Phillies 5th string RF
gives Brewer fans hope.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Too scarey
Ryne Sandberg Game, June 23, 1984, he was 5 for 6, 7 RBI's

by mweil on Aug 5, 2007 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, i wouldn't want counsell
in this spot. he's liable to bloop one somewhere.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Foolishly walking
Johnny Estrada to get to Craig Counsell who hits .418 with bases loaded.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Now, it is time for the Cubs
to take care of business against Glavine.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

and they get him, yes!!!!!1
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 5:07 PM CDT reply actions  

half a game back
thanks Iguchi. and phils in general
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

great start to the day.
cards lose late, brewers throw up all over themselves. let's go cubbies.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
Everything's coming up Milhouse so far
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yesterday's stirring win by the Brewers
gave them confidence to come in and completely blow today's game.  

by TR on Aug 5, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

so...
we either lost or gained 1/2 a game this homestand...I think that is a really good result considering how strong MIL has been at home...but it sure would be nice to take advantage tonight so the fans can watch the flags go up again.
Neifi Perez: Proving Amphetamines do not enhance performance

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 5:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Fightin' Phils! The Milwaukee fans must
be ready to jump off a bridge.  The Brewers tv guys were clowning around all day with the fans, like this one was in the bag - which it was.

Unbelievable and unexpected!  Let's take advantage!

"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Aug 5, 2007 5:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Brewslobs lose
That definetely makes up for that damn game they won yesterday, things nicely even out and cordero becomes a human at home
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Aug 5, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Cordero
With 3 earned runs.  Good stuff!

by ar_hawkins on Aug 5, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Brewers have no killer instinct.
None. Zero. Zip. Nada.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 5, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

brewers lose a heartbreaker
Cubs no up one game in the all important loss column...sitting on the patio smoking a Texas beef brisket, and then this and tonight....
Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Aug 5, 2007 5:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anybody else notice...
That the brewers pen have been really shakey since the series with the cubs.  I'm starting to think that ARam's Walkoff HR really messed with Cordero's confidence?
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I really hope
Marquis pitches the best he ever has tonight. I also hope we get to see Woody come in later in the game.

GO CUBS!!!

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Yost: "our bullpen is overused."
No kidding.  Cordero and Turn-blow's arms will soon fall off.  As bad as we should feel for the Cub bullpen, the Brewer's back end is warn out.

Yost finished his press conference by saying, "I look forward to the challenge of playing on the road."

Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 5:24 PM CDT reply actions  

the real problem there is
that they are overused because of Yost.  He considers Suppan going 5 2/3 as a good outing for him, and pulled him at like 80 pitches.  As a fan...i obviously want a little more out of a guy getting payed that much money.  The loss sucked today, and i wish they'd quit doing this to the fans, but it was still a decent homestand and i'm hoping for a .500 road trip (in fantasy land...)

by zambranovsbarrett on Aug 5, 2007 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Yost trying
to shorten his starters, on the theory they'll be more fresh in September?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let this be a lesson
to the people who jump all over Dempster after a rare, rough outing.

Other closers are not immune to blowups, either, particularly in non-save situations.

Cordero has been very good this season, particularly at home. Not today, thankfully.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Mediocrity compared to mediocrity.
Can't we do better? Both, the Cubs and the Brewers, need a better closer. We have candidates. Do the Brewers? Advantage: Cubs.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 5, 2007 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

just got home
and checked the score.  w00t!!  8 -6!!

Could this have any relationship to the fact I just ate a cheese steak??  It was outstanding, BTW.

I can "smell that smell" from up North, and it's not brats roasting, that's for sure.

Now to get down to bidness tonight...

"Guess what! I got a fever, and the only prescription... is more !Neifi!" -- Dusty Baker

by TedAbernathy on Aug 5, 2007 5:56 PM CDT reply actions  

That smell
You're right, it's not brats roasting, it's the smell of Bests Kosher Hot Dogs and onions on the grill at Wrigley Field :D
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trevor Hoffman just gave up a
two run homer in the 9th inning.  Another lousy closer...right?
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Remember,
EVERY closer has to have an ERA of 0.00. Every single one. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

another man on base and with two out in
a one run game, Bochy doesn't send up the man with the size 18 head.  Amazing, the Giants care more about where Bonds breaks that over-hyped record than winning a game today.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unreal
Just another reason to hate California.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

i don't think it is simply the fact
that dempster has blown a couple saves that has some people calling for a change. my problem with dempster has to do with his pitching style. he seems  to fight the strikezone. i think that he has trouble repeating his pitching motion. i also think he overthrows. add that to his 'snowball' mentality, where it becomes difficult to right the ship, and we have a problem. now, i'm not necessarily calling for his removal, as i think a major bullpen shakeup could cause problems. however, i do think dempster is a problem. the only other option is howry; i don't think you want to take marmol out of his current role. i only say howry because he can throw strikes with consistency, though he will give up some sharp hits with those fastballs.

so, dempster remains the guy, but the criticism of him that you see around here is certainly valid, and dempster is average at best.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lineups...
The Not-So-Amazing Mets
Reyes, SS
Castillo, 2B
Wright, 3B
Delgado, 1B
Alou, LF
Green, RF
Lo Duca, C
Milledge, CF
Glavine, P

Cubbies!
Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Floyd, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Pagan, CF
Kendall, C
Marquis, P

The Brewers did not collapse for nothing today for us to lose.  Lets go Cubbies!

Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs will make three errors today.

by northsidenonsense on Aug 5, 2007 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It's been really nice
Not having to see Izturis in our lineup anymore.
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Izwhois?
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Aug 5, 2007 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have no chance.
The Mets are dripping in talent from top to bottom.  Why play the game?  Can we surrender?

I have never seen a line up this intimidating.  I hope Marquis brought an extra box of Depends tonight.

Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Glavine=the Moyernator?!
Glavine is so tough the Met's chef sharpens his knives on his forehead!

BTW - Dempster is still the closer according to Lou. Even the best blow saves and its good to see Cordero is coming back to earth!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see a homerun...
in Cliff Floyd's bat.  This thing has been aching to get out for two weeks.  Tonight's the night.

Here's hoping Glavine is as intimidating tonight as he was in the '94 Series.  

Uh-uh.  Not here.  Not now.

"Guess what! I got a fever, and the only prescription... is more !Neifi!" -- Dusty Baker

by TedAbernathy on Aug 5, 2007 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Floyd
will make as good of contact with his bat as he has been making with his legs as of late.  I don't think his legs can take much more of this HBP stuff.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about Jacque?
does he have one more in his pink bat? It's been along time since his last one, June 1st to be exact.

by CubFaninNY on Aug 5, 2007 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good call.
He is so overdue.

Certainly fun to see how all these guys will respond on national TV.

The Bears came through. Cubs can too.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically
Saturday's game will score better ratings than this one. Strangely enough, not everybody's....cabled or set with satellite. Also, it's in prime time on the East Coast, Midwest... It may be re-run season, but still....Good numbers expected in NYC, and Chicago, but not everywhere else. Why should the west coast even give a damn, for example, with the exception of the transplanted Cubs and Mets fans.

Football does way better on ESPN than baseball does. Every game's an event in the NFL. Not so in baseball.

So, even though only 3/4th of the country saw Saturday's game on Fox, those ratings should still eclipse these.

These games on ESPN are not as big as you might think. The hype job works very well, but these games are for the hard core, not the casual fan.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of ESPN, does
this mean we have to put up with Joe "I am perfect" Morgan tonight?
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez - I hadn't even thought
of this.

Makes perfect sense, though.

The marketing arm of ESPN is pretty amazing.

Then - can you see the game "in real time" on the West Coast on cable? At 5:00 PST?

Was the FOX game on the West Coast, too?

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No we had LAA v Oak
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, yeah.
It's 5p here.

The SD Market was the only Fox California market that carried Cubs/Mets on Saturday. I was amazed. Stupified, in fact.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kruk: my guess is his
wife finds him disgusting again.   Seems like the pounds are back on again.

I always found him disgusting.

And in mid-June he said, "no way!" when asked if thought the Cubs would ever catch the Brewers.

Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

And I love the story line
is Glavine, not the Cubs. Keep flying under the radar, and beat the old man.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow...
That's the first Brewers commercial I've ever seen...

by thegangler on Aug 5, 2007 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

OK
I thought having to listen to Joe Buck and Joe Morgan two days in a row was about as bad as it gets.

Dane Cook in a Brewers commercial for October, now I have seen it all. UGH!!!

"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 5, 2007 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

What?
Was Larry the Cable Guy unavailable?

by thegangler on Aug 5, 2007 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

As much as Joe Morgan sucks
I love the sound of John Miller's voice kind of reminds me of Harry Caray but with less saliva, its calming

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

and a lot smoother
which i guess eliminates the two things that distinguish Harry so im grasping at straws, i jsut like John Miller haha

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, got
out of that one now let's get those bats going.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Consistent...
And he pees on his hands...What club doesn't need a guy like that?

by thegangler on Aug 5, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Every time
I think of that it makes me gag.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that
High Defination was made specifically for Sports... I love HD :)
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, of all days for the ESPN feed...
...in the break room to stop working. Yeesh.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

shoot
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

:( Definately not cool
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Long Balls
Rack 'em up, boys.  They'll get through soon.
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

ground balls
that's what we're looking for Jason!

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Looking Good So Far
Hope he keeps focused.  Not too happy with the ump's strike zone thus far though.  Hopefully the Mets will keep pounding it into the ground.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bad throw
But luckily, not two bases
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Whew!
Glad he didn't take third on that throw from Kendall.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

PAGAN!!!
Damnit you can't do that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

shit
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh...
Kendall's throwing behind the plate is killing me

give me Geovanny!

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Poop!
Poop...poop...poop
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Aug 5, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Anyone Miss Pie in CF Yet?
Not that Pagan is terrible or anything but I still see Pie's peg from CF in my mind from earlier this year.  
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

hey Jon and Joe
baserunners are running at a 100% clip against Kendall.... why not run

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

the misplay in CF
didnt cost Marquis anything, no guarantee they get him at the plate

Marquis put himself in this mess by walking the 8th hitter and then giving up a hit to the pitcher

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that
but that doesn't mean it doesn't effect his concentration it went from a possibility to nothing with the misplay not to mention Milledge had just touched thrid when Pagan was transferring and dropping the ball

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's Get Castillo Right Here
Shut it down.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Phewwww
that was a close shave. lucky to escape with just 1 run. I think the bats really have some work to do tonight if we want to deny Glavine #300

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's Crank That Victrola
And get this offense started.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Now we
need to get the bats going ASAP!
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

First three Cub hitters
got good looks off Glavine.  I don't think he is throwing a shut-out tonight.  As long as this ump keeps an honest outside corner we will be fine.
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

As Long As..
the Cubs stop hacking at it.  Aram tried to swing out of his shoes.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, if we just try to take what he gives
we can push him out of the game early tonight and that includes hitting to the opposite field and inside out whenever necessary.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walks have been
killing Marquis for 60 days.

He seems to just lose it w/two outs - and when ahead in the count...

Oh well - the team needs to score mucho!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank Goodness
The outside corner isn't working for Glavine with this ump.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I think this is a night and just the
sort of pitching where if we do not try to swing for the fences we can put up a big crooked number on the board.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

ugh
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Patience at the plate...
Is still an issue...Glavine threw about 4 strikes in the whiole inning.....though the patience is much better than in May....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

John Miller
is having a tought time behind the mic tonight. "Home Definition" lol
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Calling the game (for those w/o cable)...

Nothing against the Patrick and Ronnie show, sometimes I love em, but sometimes I just miss Harry and Steve way too much. BTW, anyone know what's up with Corey taking Pat's place for a few innings every game?

by mrsmiff on Aug 5, 2007 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Hughes
I believe Hughes has some stipulation (contractual?) that says he gets an inning or two off every game.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon Cubs...
C'mon Marquis...how bout a litle payback for your old teammate...
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Moises Alou
I always liked him as a Cub except for his sissy-fit in the Bartman melt-down.  Was there a reason the Cubs never resigned him?  I heard rumors that he wasn't a good clubhouse presence.  But he still fields LF well and he still can hit.  So, what's the deal?

by zevkalman on Aug 5, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Angel Pagan
Was it my imagination, or after he caught the third out, he went back to CF thinking it wasn't the third out?  I'm almost sure I saw that.  

by zevkalman on Aug 5, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Pagan, never knows how many outs there are
This passed week on three separate occasions he has messed up, right there he didnt know there were three threw the ball in and started to retreat then motored in for the second time, on Monday night he thought there were three instead of two and started sprinting in. Granted i rather he think there are more outs than less outs that way he doesnt turn and fire a live ball into the stands but this guy is making stupid mental mistakes no?

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Call It Both Ways Blue
Geez.  That pitch was low on Marquis' AB.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Flex Those Muscles
Sori - and move up in the batter's box too.  Yank one out.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think there should be...
An FCC rule about showing morons on a baseball telecast... See that guy wearing a Mets hat holding up 3 fingers. What a moron
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Anytime Soriano
wants to start earning his $135 million would be fine with me.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

How many
fricken times do we have to see Glavine's family and hear his kids names and parent's names?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

no offense sue
they can show his wife as much as they want

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Christine Glavine
I understand why you don't want to see Christine but I do not mind a few camera shots myself.  :-)
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just
sick of hearing about them.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

good AB's so far
even if not great results

keep grinding him down Cubbies!

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Until the Cubs post a 12 against him
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

OH SHIT
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

OH NO!!!
WTF!!!
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 5, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

shit
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

F!
never should've gone for 3rd anyways with 2 down

damnt

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

dont hate the hustle
seriously, people have been bitching about him give him a break for trying to up the ante a bit

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

not hating the hustle
its just not a smart play, you dont risk the 3rd out at 3rd

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the logic
but Milledge had to go a long way to get it, and maybe im jsut frustrated about his injury, but it looked like at full spped to third he would have been safe, plus theriot may have been able to advance that type of agggressive speed is what you want from a lead-off guy

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

sheesh
bad luck..with 2 out and a contact hitter like TheRiot at the plate..that should have been a hit and run..I really hope its a cramp and nothing more.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was no cramp
He looked to be in excruciating pain.  
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 5, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Shhhhhhh....
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

or hopefully..
..just some cramping.
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that's
all it is.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looked like his quad
Not the hammy.

by bleedhawkeyegold on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch
That hurts just watching wonder what the hell happened...murton to LF Red-Head may get his chance...

Seems like a very strange way to pull something he was running fairly straight not like he'd just turned the bag or anything...

Cubs had been lucky with injuries hope this one not too severe...I think he was really trying to turn it up a notch to get to 3rd.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Hopefully just a cramp
I doubt he pulled anything, it looked more like maybe a cramp or strain...let's not all freak out just yet...(crosses fingers)
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

murton
can't even get in now, against a frickin LH pitcher.... unreal

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I Agree
The whole thing is unfortunate.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah
pretty sad that murton can't outhomer fontenot.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

tough to outhomer
people from the bench

pretty sure Murton's the better hitter since at every level in his career he's hit better than Fontenot

and done it at younger ages....

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh
It never stops.  Sweet Lou knows more way about the Chicago Cubs than you do I trust him to know who should play and who shouldn't  Give it up already.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

great argument
thanks for chiming in with supporting evidence or your own opinion

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

And thanks
for saying the same stupid thing day after day.  

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

no. no.
dart should be the manager. not lou
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

fotenot has
45 or so more ab's than murton, but ok...  keep making excuses.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt may
be ill tonight too.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

START DRINKING!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

It didnt look like a hammy
he was grabbing the front of his leg when he got the bag at third so it may be something with his quad, or it may jsut be a cramp (hopefully)

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm Rooting for a Cramp
What's with all of this dehydration crap anyways though?  I mean increase your potassium intake - drink your water.

I believe that some NFL players have been known to hook up to an I.V. of saline every once in a while too.  Geez.  Do something guys.

There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great:
First we hear every 12 seconds about Glavine, Then Soriano gets hurt now the Barry Bonds update...
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Marquis...
has had the best at bat I've seen tonight.....from a cub...out $136 Million dollar man looks lame....hopefully Hendry doesn't make a stupid trade.....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

STAY focused Jason!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I missed that
whose in right?

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

derosa, floyd to left.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Aug 5, 2007 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan, master of the obvious...
just now:
"When Alex Rodriguez hits his 500th home run, he's not just a great player, he's a member of the 500 home run club. When Tom Glavine gets his 300th win, he's not just a great player, he's in the 300 win club."

God, I hate ESPN sometimes.

"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

I really liked the way Alfonso was hopping
on one leg to get to 3rd. Now that's "Hustle". I really hope it is nothing serious. We have to win one tonight for Soriano!!

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Why does this happen the day before
I see the team in Houston?

First 0-9 at Wrigley this year, and now this :(

Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, you can't expect news
so quickly on an injury, c'mon.

They decided what their story line is tonight.

The Cubs are secondary players this evening.

Now you know how the San Diego Padres feel EVERY GAME.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Can Miller and Morgan stop talking about
500 Home Runs crap and start talking about the game in question?

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Darn...
those Mets sure hit pitches way out of the strike zone good...
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Where's sidelne reporter extraordinaire
Erin Andrews i could use an injury update from her, it may calm me down

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I am seriously bummed
That wasnt a cramp, that was a pull. He couldnt bend the leg. Not only am I a doctor, but I play one on TV

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

If anyone gets word on Soriano - please post
here.  Thanks
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"

by scottsdalecubs on Aug 5, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

marquis.....
c'mon man

cant be walking the bottom of the lineup like this

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

What the eck with marquis walking Glavine??
I think he was paying way too much unnecessary attention to the man on first because of the steal earlier.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Right clot strain
Soriano.
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

err, quad
worst case??
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Alfo DL Update:
Right quad strain.

FUCK!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Right Quad Strain
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Phewww
inning over..

Lets Go Cubs!!!!

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Well all you Pie Lovers
you will be seeing him up tomorrow.

But the THERIOT and Fonty at that top of the order will be great.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

I was just..
..thinking that too.  Or maybe they will list him day to day?  Need more info...
Chicks dig the long ball

by Will23 on Aug 5, 2007 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we really should put him on the DL
right now.  

Give him time to get better and don't take any chances.  Quads take time to heal.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree
no need to go down the strech with him gimping around bring pie up and at least put him on the 15 day.

by tbizzle83 on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on Cubs! Lets...
....get those bats going !  Hit, hit, hit !
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

What are we looking at for DL
WIth soriano.  I cant remember the last time someone had a quad strain or pull.

by Aram mvp on Aug 5, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

What are we looking at for DL
Podsednik on the Sox just came back from a groin pull...
He was on the DL for about 5 weeks (I think).

It all depends on the severity of the injury and how well he heals.

But I would count on him being on the DL for at least 15 days...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Howard and Texieria
both pulled quads earlier in the year; Howard missed about 5 weeks, but Texieria missed almost 7. So we're looking at 4-6 weeks for Sori, I think.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 5, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

First his hamstring
then his quad.  And we've got 7 1/2 more years of this.  Ugh.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not saying this is definitive
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/frontthigh/quadstrain.htm

But the info says: "expect to be out 3 to 12 weeks."

Don't take this as gospel, please. We don't know how severe this is.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

What does Joe Morgan drink during the game?
Verbosity signals wine or scotch, but the slurred words tell me it's vodka. Maybe 151.
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

He's drunk on his own self-love
and his abiding jealousy of Ryno.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

What happend?
don't have time to read through 225+ comments...
The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Aug 5, 2007 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow
You said quad, I thought Nomar. I thought Nomar, I thought Lee. Just wow. IIRC there have been some other big names out with this type of injury and they were out for extensive amounts of time.

Not good. Looks like Pie will be back and Fonty and Theriot will be @ the top o' the lineup. Who woulda thunk it?!

The deadline has come and gone. Looks like our Triple A Hall O Famers will have to lead us to the promise land.

by cubbyblue137 on Aug 5, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

where
has aram been lately . . . ryan braun has more hrs than him

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

That is
alarming to say the least.
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 5, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is HORRIBLE!!!!!! We are in dire...
trouble....doesn't it just figure! All that and have to listen to all the Glavine-mania baloney.

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Flashing before my eyes
Garciaparra in St. Loui..

Lee in Los Angeles...  

now this....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Relax
Not this year. Not this time.

They'll pick up the slack. You watch.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kool-Aid
Come and get your Kool-Aid!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suck it you loser!
I have been hear for an hour.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

They'll pick up the slack.
Yep...
I look at it as a chance to play more of our bench and tune up hitting and fielding during the dog days...

Sori will be back when it gets into race time in September.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did Joe Morgan
just say Castillo's played in the AL his whole career?  He's played plenty of games at Wrigley when he was with the Marlins.  Joe Morgan sucks.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Joe Morgan sucks.
I couldn't agree with you more...
I wonder who is worse....him or Buck?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

trying to hit
homeruns . . . we have been winning hitting singles and doubles, we dont have to swing for the fences . .. jesus christ

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't help
that the media and blogs are constantly talking about a "power outage." Things have worked out pretty well so far as is.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 5, 2007 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Jon Miller the only one that knows
that Glavine is laboring. Ramirez, Floyd, DeRosa all first pitch swinging.

Glavine is notorious for laboring and making mistakes. Its hot and he is over 60 pitches. We first pitch swing.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed !
Why is DeRosa swinging on first pitch?????  Give it some patience, guys !
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like they take a meat ball
down the middle of the plate for a called strike and then swing at a ball in the dirt and that includes Lee sometimes. Glavine is looking very hittable tonight and we have nothing to show on the score board as yet.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...what do we do? Don't know if Pie is
able to replace Fonzie....and now one last power bat....sometimes I cannot believe the Cubs luck! I am about to lose it!!!!

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Isw it my imagination...
Or have NL umpires become incompetent at calling balls and strikes this weekend....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I has been imbaressing
watching these ass-pUMPS working the last 4 games.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do I know Soriano is bad?
Pat and Ron are talking upbeat and positive

by coral on Aug 5, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Glavine is suffering!
They've got to stop swinging easy with him.  Make him work.
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Alfonso is great, dont get me wrong but...
We have been needing a true leadoff hitter at certain times this year to set the table.  I think this team is at its best when Fontenot and Theriot are in the lineup and maybe this injury wont be as catastrophic as we think.

by Aram mvp on Aug 5, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

appreciate the optimism
because it is needed during times like this

and hopefully you're right

with that said... this team was one bat short with Soriano healthy, losing him makes them 2 bats short

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pass the splif John/Joe
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Def. Pie recall
was tryin to think of their optiosn is there anyone else?

Pie could provide a spark this isn't the end of world but hurts...obviously.

Jay Payton? Could always pick somebody like that up I suppose...looking at least a couple weeks min. prob. a month...

He was not having a GREAT year but thinking he woulda been very valuable last 2 mos. now we'll be lucky to get 2-3 weeks out of him mid-Sept.

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Anybody
know how Pie has been hitting at Iowa?

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

uh
1.000

But that equates to .220 in the majors.

by wjblol on Aug 6, 2007 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, I think....
....I'll just lazily throw this back in to the infield...la la la la la....
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

He prolly thought there were two outs
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you kidding?
he caught the ball and stood there for a second with his weight on his back foot.  then he threw it off his back foot.  not surprisingly he through a rainbow.

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Felix Pie...
...is an appropriate replacement for Soriano, because then that probably makes our outfield entirely left-handed (as Lou seems to indicate that having Murton around is simply to provide him with the option of a right-handed outfielder, not the practice of one). I, uh, don't know that I like having an all-lefty outfield.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

If the infield is all righty
why does it matter if the outfield is all lefty?  

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

not a good game so far for pagan
i disagree with morgan.  pagan shouldnt have need the infield's help, he should have anticipated a tag.  lets hope he makes up for his D at the plate.

and now with the deep double for delgado it doesnt matter.  

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

pagan dumber than jock
he has been making some very dumb mistakes this year

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

So......
Who thinks we'll see Eric Patterson get called up to be the backup LF?

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Definitely
The guy made the AAA all star game didnt he??? Lets see what he can do in the bigs.

by Aram mvp on Aug 5, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The odds of that greatly increase...
...if the team feels that the "second baseman to the outfield" niche is underserved with only DeRosa available.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
Eric Patterson bats left, they have been playing him in LF as of late, he has power and speed like Soriano (14 HR, 14 SB in Triple-A) and they already gave Pie a chance.  It's out of left-field I'll grant you, but based on how Pie has performed, why not give someone else a chance?

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

E. Patterson sucks balls
if you look at this numbers his OPS has dropped a .100 points every time he moves up the minor league system.

So excuse me for not getting excited about a crappy second baseman who is projected to have a .500 OPS in the Majors.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your ignorance
is only surpassed by your potty mouth.

Patterson's OPS is higher this year in AAA than it was last season in AA.  And he's only been a professional three years.

Before this season, PECOTA predicted an OPS for Eric Patterson in the majors of .837.

So not only do you need to do some major growing up and a major attitude adjustment, you need to know what you are talking about before you let loose that sewer you call a mouth.

by Josh Timmers on Aug 5, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glavine seems
to be struggling hardewr than Marquis....just the Mets offense seems to display a little PATIENCE....

If he gets thru 5 w/ only 2 runs...gotta give him a good start as he has no control tonight..at least he's going after people....I'd like to see him throw 6 and no more damage...

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

MOTHER ..............
Two f-ing times tonight!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting ugly
and I think we are going to see Kerry Wood tonight.

Hopefully he doesn't get hurt, too.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

I have been accused
of being the cockeyed optimist, however, I think this game's a goner and the Brewers fans are feeling a bit better right now....

This team may be resiliant, but injuries, as we know -- can crush a TEAM.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

poop
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Horrible Horrible..Horrible
That fly ball should have been caught..

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

wow derosa looking bad
this game is looking like a disaster

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

We're coming unglued
Bring in Kerry. Why not.
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

AGAIN,,,,
think we should actually play an OF out there????

as opposed to a 2B????

c'mon Lou....

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

id rather have
derosa there than murton  . .  

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too
DeRosa's a better offensive player and a better defensive player.  Way to go Sweet Lou!

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!
How old are you? Ten?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you always
take cheap shots at people?  Leave me alone.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do
you always argue with people?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry if I upset
you by disagreeing.  But I believe one of the purposes of this web site is to argue about the Cubs.  If you don't like what I say please just ignore it.  I'm tired  of your petty personal attacks.  Thanks.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't get it
do you? You are the expert at personal attacks  with the name calling (idiots, insane, deranged, etc.)when someone disagrees with you.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Leave me alone!!!
Look at this thread.  Who's the one making the personal attacks?  Stop!!!  

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

For god's
sake stop crying.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's apparently...
...not something that comes naturally to this team.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pagan has cost us us twice.
He drops the throw, on Glavines sinle that would not have cost us a run if he had come up with it clean.

He lolligags the catch from Wright and doesnt throw with any hussle.

Unbelievable.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

if derosa
catches either of those balls its still 1-0

pagan hasnt been the problem

marquis walking people left and right and derosa's horrid defense have been the major problems so far

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

We are still down only by 3
and this game is very winnable. Now only if the bats wake up..

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

If this injury "crushes" this team
They weren't that good to begin with.

The Phillies have, what, a hundred guys on the DL?I don't see them folding.

Good God, let's get out of the typical Cubbie mindset here, folks. Quit wetting the bed.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Get the Bug out of your ass
and stop telling people what to do!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very True..
I hope Soriano gets well soon but I don't think Soriano was contributing so much that this team should fold in his absence. This should give us a chance to have a Real lead off hitter who works the count.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow....Derosa not good!
Ho-hum.....the dog days of August are upon us and fate is kicking us in the nuts....might as well lay back and enjoy the sorrow!

Oh goodie more Glavine shots!!!! Why not shove a camera up his rear!

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Lets look at the positives...
Marquis has great stuff tonight, or at least better then he has had recently.  Also, we wont be playing anyone as good as the mets until the NLCS. :)

by Aram mvp on Aug 5, 2007 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

"Great stuff"?
are you watching the Sunday Night ESPN game, tonight?
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

DeRosa has been ...
Great spark plug for this team....but his play in RF is killing the Cubs tonight.  A good RF would have had both the double and that triple....or at least one of the 2....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow...
You can definately see the Cubbie optimists on this board tonight.

since when was 3 runs in the middle of the 5th an incermountable lead?

GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed
I have a good feeling that we have something left in the tank tonight.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you watched the Cubs this year?
Oh yeah and our best power hitter is heading for the DL as we speak.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is?
I thought that was Ramirez. Or maybe Lee.

How many bong hits do you do before you post, anyway?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey moron
who leads the Cubs in Homers?

Oh yeah...you can stop talking now.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have you watched the Cubs this year?
Hey Joe -
WTF do you even watch when all you do is look for and point out bad things?

Seriously dude - it's gonna kill you if you keep this up.

Haven't you ever heard that bitterness causes cancer?
And I've never seen so much flaming bitterness and hatred before...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is THAT the best you can come up with?
Wow joe....you really are sad dude.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team will end up in third place
unless we start hitting some home runs.  We've been getting by on small ball, but the team's not built for that.  I'm actually more worried about that than the loss of Soriano.  How many games did he win for us in the last month?

In other news, looks like we'll be seeing Kerry doing some mop up duty tonight.

Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

THIRD place?
Do you know something about converting mediocre setup men into starting pitchers that the rest of us don't?
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, please
They had plenty of homers in 2004 and 2005. What did that get you?

Think before you post, people. Third place? Behind whom? The Cardinals, who just went 1-5 against the dregs of the league?

I'll tell you what -- the way some of you are reacting tonight, you don't deserve a first-place team.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your logic is absurd
Obviously, you can't win with ONLY home runs, which is what we had during those years.  But you can't win without them either.  Maybe third was a bit of hyperobole, but it's certainly possible if we don't start hitting.  As for what I deserve, I've been pulling for this team for more than 30 years.  Believe me, I deserve it.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

hate to remind people
but we won 89 games in 04, its the most we've won since 98

wasnt a bad season

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys
If you think this thing is over, y'all need some help.

One thing this team has taught me this year, is it ain't never over 'till the...well, screw it. I refuse to use a worn-out cliche about an obese female, and I am too tired to think of something more clever.

Let's go Cubs...lotta game left to be played.

Florida Cubbie

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

marquis has been
very good tonight . . . but dumbass pagan decided to fall asleep

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

marquis
has allowed 10 baserunners in 5 innings

he's been terrible

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

i guess
u havent seen the terrible marquis yet . . .

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

i know quite well how bad marquis is
but to say he's been great when he's AVERAGING 2 baserunners per inning is kind of ridiculous

he's been great compared to say... jae kuk ryu's first major league start

but great is certainly not something he's been tonight

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

u were right
he just proved me wrong . . . fcuk him

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

3rd Place behind whom?
The Cardinals have lost 5 straight
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

No
I just know that we are going to be losing a lot of games very soon if we don't develop some power.  Hope I'm wrong.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

all it takes
Is one run here.... another there and all of a sudden its a 5-3 Cubs lead.
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Right,
but those runs would be a lot easier to come by if we could hit a dinger or two.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am convinced
some people are just never happy unless they're unhappy.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And some people stay happy
by refusing to see the obvious
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano's injury is no reason for optimism...
he has been a positive influence on the team and with him on the shelf I have no idea when we will get any homeruns (except Aram).....Milwaukee fans are dancing in the streets. Oh well....at least Joe Moran and Fathead can gloat and preen all over Glavine the rest of the night without the Cubs getting in the way.

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

It's no reason to be overly optimistic,
but the ledge-jumping going on here tonight is sickening.

Besides, most likely he'll be back for the last 2-3 weeks of the season, when he might be the most necessary.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have no
basis for this.

Theriot will have to become the real lead-off hitter.

I can think of worse things...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot will have to become the real lead-off hitt
Which would also be a good thing....
This Sori injury thaang could be a blessing in disguise in several ways.

That's the beauty of baseball - ANYTHING can happen....literally...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

when he might be the most necessary.
Yeah....and FRESH too...

You can ALWAYS use freshness going into the playoffs, and I for one believe that we will be.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers fans aren't dancing
They might be a little more happy but considering the kick to the balls they just recieved today, I can't see them being very mobile at this point.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Milwaukee fans Dacing the streets?
Didnt the Brewers give up 5 in the 9th?
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Well..I think this game is far from over..
but we have been really scraping for runs. Singles are not going to take us far and our lack of power is putting us in trouble against good teams. Its easy to win when a SP pitches like Lilly has done yesterday but its about time the offense starts producing some long balls.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Marquis needs to get through the 6th unscathed
We have the top of the order coming up in the 6th, we are still in this.

Dont jump just yet

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I seriously
Question the amount of baseball knowledge that some people have on this board.
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

How's the air up there?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reminds me some what
Of /Jackie Robinson/night. The Padres acted as if theyr were the Washington Generals to the Globetrotters/Dodgers....and that's the role the Cubs are playing tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

When did Lastings Millege
become the best hitter in the f'ing National League?
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs have apparently decided...
...that he's a charity case in need of their assistance.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

posting about bad things that have happend
so far in this game does not mean the poster "thinks this thing is over."  noes does it mean the poster is a pessimist.  

its chatting about the game.  the game has been bad so far, so a lot of the posts are about bad stuff.  lighten up you cheerleaders.  

im gonna make my signature "That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central" to appease the cheerleaders.

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

There's a difference between
posting about what's happening in the game and declaring the season over.

Intelligent discussion about the game is one thing. Knee-jerk, typical Cubbie doom discussion is something different.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

i guess my point is that im not seeing
those posts, just reporting of the bad events in the game and the repercusions of sori potentially missing a chunk of games.

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

...(golf clap)....
There is no end to the amount of people on this site that like to tell other people how to think, feel and express their emotions about the team we live and die with everyday.
"We have the rabbit's foot now" -Z

by TheRamZamDLEE on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

This offense better wake up soon......
and I don't mean just tonight....I mean for the next few weeks......
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions  

True Dat
We were productive in one inning yesterday.  We need to figure out how to hit left handed pitching.  We need smart offense!
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes Milwaukee is thrilled with the thought
of one of our best players being on the shelf for most of the rest of the year (most likely) and us being 1 behind....I suppose you never know but our bench is not gonna be able to replace Soriano's leadership and moments of power.

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, guys,
I suggest you all pack it in for the rest of the season, effective immediately.

Don't watch any more games. Don't waste your time. Season's over, after all.

It was fun while it lasted, I guess. See you at spring training, I guess ...

How ridiculous all this sounds.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa - Not Bruce...
Let people grieve for a minute...

Lou has dealt with injuries before and tomorrow is another day -

LOTS of baseball left. Hendry may even (OMG!) make a trade!!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
Plus, I think he'll be back by mid-September at the latest.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no
bright side -

but, Pie will get recalled, and Theriot will become the new #1 guy, which is the way it should be.

So - I feel like it is FAR from over.

As a Chicagoan for almost all of my life, I just HATE losing to any NY Team!

Giants, Jets, Mets, Yankees, Knicks - I can give a shit abt. Hockey!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any way to see what our record on ESPN is?
Seems like a curse for us.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Mets' patience their best trait
drawing walks continues to haunt Cubs or failure to..you gotta make Glavine work.

Hope Pie has learned some patience wouldn't mind E-Patt but that's putting him in a high-pressure situation...will prob. play Floyd, Jones & Murton some mixing and matching...Murton could get hot or continue what he did in minors.

Like Pie call-up see what the kid can do in spot-duty with Pagan.

Glad no more Mets they've hurt us this year winning 5 of 7 it appears we don't have worse record against any other team do we?

Eyre!!

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

...yea....
AND they have 3 outfielders that can hit and major leaguers at 2nd and short.....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!!
Scott Eyre.... This is lovely
GO CUBS GO! Hey Chicago whatdya say the Cubs are going to win today!

by Galvan316 on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

You do know
Eyre didn't give up a run in July, don't you?

Or are you not paying attention?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

4-0
and thats the game. Now before you flame me ..No 4 runs is not an insurmountable lead. But our offense is no where to be seen in this game. I love to be proved wrong.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

We were deflated
when Soriano went down.  No intensity, focus or intelligence at the plate since then.
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

To me
it felt like we had something started that inning.  Since then, no energy.  Very little.
Lou's my guy !!!

by lovebilly26 on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Flames for you man
Your are 100% right, but some moron can't handle the truth.

So suck it morons and D-Rose for running crap lines in the Outfield, Marquis for being Marquis, that crapy ass pUMP behind the dish, the Mets and Tom Glavine for winning 300 games!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And now we get treated to ESPN
telling us how amazing Millege is.
Did we really put Jose Macias on the field? Really???

by ksreed on Aug 5, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions  

argh
why is the infield in?  i will be pissed if the runner on 1st scores, that was a lazy gb to 2nd.

i really hope we see wood tonight if the cubs dont start to get back in this.  regardless of how he does it would be a great pick-me-up for the fans, especially at wrigley.  

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

because with the middle of the lineup coming up
you want to make sure to do everything possible to give them a better chance at a big inning

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

NYM 4 - 0 CHC
This is, without a doubt, the toughest game to watch this year. I've got a really, really bad feeling about what that Soriano injury might do to us. Worst yet, it's that type of "stereotypical" Cubs loss (well, not yet) that really lets idiots run their mouths.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you have a really, really bad feeling
when he was out for almost two weeks with the hammy?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course not
That was a mild injury in terms of severity and time off needed -- and also something of a blessing in disguise, since it ultimately resulted in Soriano's relocation to LF. We're most certainly talking DL based on what we've heard, and that starts a rotation of mediocre outfielders (Floyd-Murton-Jones) that can't fill Soriano's shoes offensively, based on how they've done this year. I hope more than anything we can regroup -- I just have a bad feeling, that's all I'm saying.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll say it again
I've been accused of being a kool-air drinker, too optimistic, etcetra, etcetra.

But there are times you have to pause and just wonder....hey, injuries happen. The Cubs can't afford to lose 3 position players -- Soriano, Lee and A-Ram. Even though Soriano not quite giving us what we hoped -- the promise is there. The possibility of a lot of run production is lost.

But, Lou might be able to figure this situation out -- something Dusty could never do.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

03
sosa went down early

patterson (who was among our best hitters when he got hurt) then went down

the team kept playing hard and kept winning

dusty baker was the manager

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course
they traded for Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez, which is when they started winning.  But whatever.  Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

cubs record by month
April 16-12
May 14-13
June 12-15
July 13-13
August 15-13
September 18-8

Sosa was hurt through almost all of May

Patterson got hurt July 6th and was done for the season

yes they "took off" in september

but they stayed the course playing without their star in May

there's the facts pal

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were
a .500 club.  How does this prove your point?

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the comparison was between lou and dusty
in 03 dusty's managed team was 4 games over when the star went down for 3 weeks, when he returned they were 6 games over

this team is now 7 games over

we'll see where they're at when Soriano returns

my point was they stayed the course when they lost their big time superstar

and the manager happened to be dusty baker

THUS, baker was able to "hold the fort" together when they lost one of their key players back in 03, it happened

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou is crafty.
I say he figures something out. This team isn't done, maybe tonight, but not for the season.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wood
who gives a shit if we see him? I'd like to see us show some kind of life, actually score some runs and maybe win the game. Are you actually more excited at the prospect of seeing Wood pitch in a blowout than watching the team win?

by qccub on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Woah big shooter.
Having Wood in there might give the team some spark.

This games probably over, but it's actually not, technically.

Sheesh.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay Kool AId drinkers...give us all some reasons
for hope....I mean serious reasons to believe that with this injury the Cubs will be able to handle things....I mean it, I wanna know....because this night is thoroughly depressing....

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Unlike when Lee got hurt
this team is more multidimensional.

Secondly, Soriano hadn't played up to his potential this season. Of course, it's better to have him than not have him, and he's not easily replaceable. But Pie is capable, and with potential for a trade, there's at least enough to patch it together until Soriano returns.

This team has shown it can bounce back from almost anything. Dusty basically gave last year's team an excuse to tank after Lee was injured. I don't think Piniella will do the same.

Would I rather have Soriano? Absolutely. But this isn't the end of the world, nor the end of the season.

Like I said, look at how many Phillies are on the DL. Think they're feeling sorry for themselves?

And no, I am not a Kool-Aid drinker. I do think you're a hemlock drinker, however.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

A few
One, you obviously don't watch much baseball.  Injuries happen all over.  Currently Beltran is on the Mets DL and the Mets do just fine...same for the Phillies.  Both teams reasonably comparable to the Cubs.  Secondly, you have no idea how long Soriano will be out.  Maybe 2 weeks, maybe 6, maybe just 15 days.  It's not worth the time or effort to figure it out when you have no control over it.  Lastly, the Cubs are a good team with Soriano and are still a good team without him.  If they get good pitching, they'll score enough runs to win games.  It's that simple for most of us.  
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, Krum
You put it better than I ever could.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree...to apoint...
The pitching has been there all year....in spite of a relatively weak defense....and the offense frequently doesn't score enoug to win...it's been the Cub's achilles heel all season....

Like tonight...pitching really (being generous) can only relly be blamed for 3 runs...The defense is weak as The Cubs  are sacrificing defense for offense tonight...but the offense hasn't scored ... and Glavine's been struggling all night..and the only reason he has more strikes than balls is the Cubs pathetic offense keeps swinging at pitches out of the strike zone (and the new wave of incopetence sweeping NL umpires behind the plate).....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 words
matt murton

he's better than soriano.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

"he's better than Soriano"
and this is why you are in LA.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

wtf
is that suppose to mean?

dws btw

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

My goodness
Never know Kendall is this horrible..every time he throws I feel like the ball is going to end up somewhere in the OF

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoever wrote that the Mets are patient
Is absolutely 100% correct. That is their number one attribute. They waited until Marquis gets in his rhythm, which is not a good thing. He is predictable and his stuff is not overpowering in any way shape or form. He does not have an out pitch and they know it. They just wait for his multitude of mistakes.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

will Kendall ever throw a baserunner out?
ever???

good thing he "handles" pitchers so well

oh wait... our pitching has been unbelievably inconsistent since he came over....

why is he playing again?

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

When I raised this a few days
ago, I got torched. It is all on the pitcher according to many here. ;-)

No. He is 0-Cubs.

Changes?  None in sight.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

.354 obp perhaps?
course you put a fork in him..  you know better than lou.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

ummm..
our staff has struggled mightily since he's been here and he's 0-19 coming into tonight in throwing out baserunners

19!!!!!!!!

in 13 games

this is EXACTLY what Barrett got crushed for and for some reason its ok with Kendall, i dont get it

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please, don't raise the issue
here.

People do not want to hear it.

It is contrary to BCB optimism.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

you said he's done
offensively.  defense doesn't matter to you.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
if only the cubs had michael barrett they'd be much better off.  

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was referring
specifically to his inability to throw out a runner.

That is all. It sure would be nice. You are watching the same game I am, right?

Do not misinterpret that he certainly is an upgrade, and is on a nice little run.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep
he just follows my posts around and makes little comments with little factual evidence or even his own opinion to try to refute anything i say

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the dumbest
thing you've said yet.  Keep it coming!  You've been abusing us with your stupid opinions all night!

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am going to have another sip
of tequila while ya'll bitch.

At worst - we're still a game out.

The Cubs play great on the road compared to Cheese-people.

I had secretly wished Lou had sat Sori - but not like this...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know how you can blame other people
for expressing their worries about this game and our chances this season when you don't explain why you think we are going to be good rather than resting on past laurels and on stuff like we play better than MIL on the road. Things do even out and I will not be surprised to see MIL starting to play well on the road. As of me I really don't care how MIL plays on the road or in Wisconsin. I want to know how we are going to fare well with this weak offense.

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have been waiting all day long trying to kill
time to watch this game and it has been an ugly experience after 7 PM. Now Monday is really going to hurt real bad

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

The Mets
are the best team in the NL.  Not a surprise they'll take 2 of 3...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

he was never known for defense
altho it reportedly had improved, throwing out baserunners not his forte.

game almost out of hand oh well...it's mets/glavine's night.

lou will get his wish to give Wood a "soft'' landing wonder why he's not warming up now to face Alou next?

Game gonna be over by then way this is goin

5-0

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

as bad as this is to watch on tv
its gotta be brutal to be at the field for this.  we really better see wood.
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

The Mets are just getting Lucky
I hate them so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

JOE - Kip Wells?
Joe - Kip Wells still finishing .500?

Anyway - the Mets know how to bring it "Prime Time". It is agonizingly annoying.

But, their players can really step it up when its time to shine.

The litmus test for the Cubs, to this point, is not in our favor.

But - there is much baseball left.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fine I was wrong about Kip
but I'm right about the Cubs losing this game.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

why
was he so deep? bc of delgado shift?

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Why not throw Wood in?
The game is for all intents and purposes out of reach and we need to get him some innings?

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

5-0
well at least we witnessed history :(

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

all these base cloggers
for NY tonite they could be up 10=0.

homestand was OK coulda been better with one more W. toughest of 2nd half move on...

At least won't use Marmol tonite

by writerinwrigley on Aug 5, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

OK Cubs
Let's get the bats fired up. Plllllenty of time to salvage this one.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

For the love of God
Smoltz on the phone????? This is shit TV.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Possibly the last 300-game winner...
for the next 10 years at least (unless Johnson or Mussina do something shocking).  It's a big story.  It's a lot bigger story than a single game for the Cubs.

by SouthernCub on Aug 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

mets
their defense makes me sick

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Every hard hit ball
has been hit right at someone.  It's just not their night.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Fontenot gets ROBBED
Man, after what I just said....the idea that it's just not our day keeps slapping us in the face over and over and over....
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

they ain't
hitten' them where they ain't.

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions  

This Ump is an Ass pUMP
Anyone notice that joe here very apparently has an obsession with things like "bugs in your ass", and "suckin' it", and "ass pumps"?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wood
Warmig up in the bullpen...
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

ESPN is just plain bad.....
they spend a whole half inning talking to Glavine's ol' pal! I mean hooray for him but try to remember that there are 2 teams on the field...they are so east coast biased!

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

A potential 300-game winner...
is a lot more interesting than a single game result mid-season.  This isn't east-coast bias - it's a simple fact that Glavine is the bigger story.  Sucks, but that's the way the media works.  I bet a lot more people are watching to see Glavine's 300th win than they are to see the Cubs win.

by SouthernCub on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glavine
He's getting his buddy in black to call that low-outside pitch all freakin day...and that's a huge reason for the silent bats.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice Job D LEE
Hustle out of the box next time though!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

i know it probly doesnt matter in this game
but the cubs have really gotten hosed on the ball-strike calls tonight.  even though it doesnt effect tonite's game it still pisses me off.
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Two things are certain
after tonight's loss. Marquis still sucks, and the Cubs are no longer a "hot" team. The wonderful run from the last month is over. I think it is going to be nip and tuck with Milwaukee the rest of the way. The lack of offense worries me. In 23 innings against the mets this weekend, we have scored runs in all of three innings and we are getting completely shut down tonight by a guy with a 4.21 era. This is not the Glavine of the 90's. I still like our chances, but our inability to score for long stretches concerns me. Losing Soriano isn't going to help.

by qccub on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

A RAMMY YOUR MOMMY
Cubs on the board! Keep the carousel moving, Cliffy!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

come on,,,
here we go...chipping away and some big mo for woody. 2 out magic like yesterday

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

awesome
wood warming up + back-to-back doubles = feeling better
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank god
Now can Floyd hit his 5th homer of the season?

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Geez
I like Smoltz, I really do. Classy guy. These guys need to call the game though, and quit making tonight all about Glavine. I mean, there are two teams out there...

For the love of Pete, just fly Smoltzy in to sit in the booth with you and call the game next time.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

After the Rammy RBI ESPN shows...
not a Cubbie fan clapping but yet another shot of Glavine's wife....come on!

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe this will
open things up.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

This game has become secondary to
their fucking phone interviews-- why isn't Erin Andrews interviewing Mrs. Glavine.

I'm about ready to go find a rerun of Scrubs.

This is the crappiest coverage of a game by a major network I've seen in years.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:11 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
you called ESPN a major network!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

the majorest sports network
unfortunately
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're just following the bigger story...
the media is just doing it's job - promoting the story that the most people are interested in.

by SouthernCub on Aug 5, 2007 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

k-zone all the time
i think i would love to see a very faint k-zone box and a little dot marking the ball on every pitch.
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Memo to Floyd:
That was UG-LAY.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Horrible
Cliff could be less clutch, but I wouldnt know how

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuckin Nolan Ryan is
next, followed by Tom Seaver and Warren Spahn from his wheelchair (Is he still alive?)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Fans on their feet
Maybe this'll get the crowd up and loud.

That could help.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, fans on their feet
Jon Miller says it's to give the ovation to glavine who is probably out of the game.....no...was for Wood coming in.

by LuisSalazar on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF re standing ovation for glavine
ok i dont feel bad for those at wrigley anymore.  enjoy the visiting pitcher reaching a "milestone" by BEATING YOUR TEAM.  glavine should be booed like every other visiting pitcher.  
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

not for glavine
its for kerry coming into the game...

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed
im going to start interpreting the events of the game in the exact opposite of espn's interpretation.   its the costanza rule for espn
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

How much
you want to bet that the Wood ovation will not be shown because those dumbasses will think that everyone is cheering for Glavine

by bobbyb on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

What?!?
Did they really just say that all the Cub fans at Wrigley were giving Glavine a standing ovation as he walked off the field?

I mean, I hope he gets 300 and enters the record books, but not this night, and not in our house.

It would be interesting to hear from someone at the game if everyone was cheering, or just the Glavine entourage cheering that they put the camera on.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

ovation
The ovation was for Wood coming in
Ryne Sandberg Game, June 23, 1984, he was 5 for 6, 7 RBI's

by mweil on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

here comes Kerry Wood!!!!
If he gets hurt tonight too - I'll cry
Ryne Sandberg Game, June 23, 1984, he was 5 for 6, 7 RBI's

by mweil on Aug 5, 2007 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs fans were cheering Wood...
and the ESPN tools totally misread it! I am ready to write a letter!!! Ridiculous!

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe they'll switch to
Red Sox-Yankees.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

They were trying to give credit to Cubs fans
as being good fans, but they were quickly reminded on how insane that sounded.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa
I was wrong

by bobbyb on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

oh nevermind
they werent applauding glavine, it was wood.

yay kerry!

That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

95!!!
nt
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice reception
for Wood.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 9:16 PM CDT reply actions  

You know
nobody is going to have any idea how to hit this guy, I'm thinking.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

This. Ump. Sucks.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I usually don't complain...
but ball3 shoullda been strike 2 on Millage...
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Perfect time for Wood
Arm will fall off on ESPN and it still WON'T be the story.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay
They just recanted and said the ovation was for Wood and not Glavine, but he hoped that Glavine's family would think it was for him.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I have stopped watching ESPN all together
They are horrible. Horrible. I have written letters. I have called even. I used to love there coverage, but they have become such homers and kiss the ass of  the entire eastern seaboard. Their football coverage isnt horrible, but they have dedicated their baseball coverage and those who call games to being total crap. If it is west of the Adirondaks, it aint worth calling.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, the good news....
...is that the Brewers lost.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Aug 5, 2007 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

...and a major league
shortstop gets to that ball...this is getting rediculous...all the mets have to do is back-up on inside strikes to get the call...
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Going forward...
Jason Marquis clearly just cannot be counted on, imo.

The early successes were b/c it was COLD!

He just cannot continue to be an effective pitcher by walking batters in key ab's. It is very frustrating - we do not have an answer for the #3 spot, however, unless the team can go w/a two-man rotation!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

K!!!
KERRY IS BACK!!!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

NICE WOODY!
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

this was a good time to get Kerry in the game
crowd and team needed a boost after the Soriano injury

bring him in against the bottom of the order

nicely done by Lou

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

did ESPN just call him John Wood?
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Wood looks good
Not great, but good.  This pumps me up to see him back again.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Very Nice Mr. Wood!!!!!
That is cause for optimism....now if we can only dodge a bullet and only lose Fonzo for the least amount of time.....

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

woody,
i missed you, i really did

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

HEEEEEEEEEEE'S BACK!
God I hope we can keep him healthy.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

For those of you who think
"Kerry is Back" let's see if he can give us 10 innings before he arm falls off, OK?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

omg
wood seriously just made me forget about sori.  he looked f'ing great, especially in a game where the mets were hitting everyting every inning.

if he can regularly pitch the 8th or the 9th like that, gaining wood will take out a lot of the sting from losing sori

That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

What the hell
is the American Girl Theater?

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Its interesting
how Mets are able to find holes in our IF and we don't

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

It's called...
scouting, positioning, execution and defense...something the Cubs frequently get "beat at"
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pagan doo-blay
Let's get something going, PLEASE!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

i would hate-f***
mrs. glavine.
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

more of a cougar
nt
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok i take back my take back
of the criticism for applauding glavine.  wtf is going on over there.  
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

here is
pagan, him and jock were separated at birth

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay....so wouldn't it be fun to see
the Mets BP blow the lead and Glavine walk away with a ND?

Well?....Hey....it won't happen unless some people here start BELIEVING it will!

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha
Yeah! Lets get Wood his first win of the year!
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on Aug 5, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

how about a nice 5 run 7th
and K. Wood gets the win
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing...
I mean, the BP has got to be spread a little bit thin after yesterday, right? Let's get some runs!
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

nicely done jason
c'mon fellas... lets put something together

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

how sweet would it be
to tie the game (at least) and spoil the 300 club coronation!!

actually, nevermind, i guess the fans at wrigley would be really disappointed.

That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ to bat for Wood
How's about one of them...what are they called again...when it goes over the wall...damn, I'll be thinking about this all night...
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

For JJ?
You must be talking about a foul.
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blue lou,
I'm usually the optimist.
But I'm now drinking. This game is over, and only the savvy of Lou is going to keep us in this race.

Sorry, guys, my sunny optimism sometimes dies after 40 years of this...

There is no such thing as a curse, but bad luck follows this team.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

oh great, the season's over crowd again
with that classic cubbie optimism

/end BCB cheerleader mode

That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well..
the last I checked there are still two more innings in this game. Do you jump out of airplanes if there is a little bit of turbulence?
"Are you gonna bark all day little doggie, or are you gonna bite?"

by VicVega on Aug 5, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game is over
well a double-dumbass on you, jazz man!   :-)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really wish
Kerry Wood was our 5th starter.

by jshipp on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish he could be...
but I think he's not going to be ready for that kind of workload this year...possibly next year
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know its not feasible.
Just wish Marquis didnt suck.

by jshipp on Aug 5, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to do research
but he's a different pitcher when the Cubs get him runs, early

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh boy
jacque against LH pitching

.200-.304-.274

yikes

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

oh boy
Yeah - but he got the RBI, didn't he?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN
Someone at espn.com jumped the gun. The front page already says Glavine got win #300.

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6975/clipboard02ga0.jpg

by Aaron @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Aug 5, 2007 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Murton
If Murton doesn't pinch hit for Jones here, there is really no point in keeping him on the major league roster...

by roscoevillage on Aug 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Sweet Lou
hate Murton

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

looks like that.
How else can you explain JJ sent to Pinch Hit to face a left hand pitcher. Fontenot with a base hit!!!!!!!!!!!

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt may be
under the weather tonight. Has anyone seen him in the dugout?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's in the dugout...
He was shown chewing his nails as everyone ran out to the field after Soriano came up lame.

by SouthernCub on Aug 5, 2007 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to keep this game in prespective
The Cubs are going to lose this series and go 3-4 on the home stand.

We also lost our team leader in homers and runs scored.

We are going to be a game behind the Brewers.

And our Pen is still over taxed from our starting pitchers not being able to go past the f-ing 6th inning (not including Lilly last night).

So wood coming back and looking great (He gave up a BS check swing hit) but struck out a batter and his stuff was moving all over the place.

So lots of bad news but a little silver lining.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

very bad check swing
3/4 way around
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

In other words
it wasnt a check swing.  Stop giving Kerry too much credit.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was being
sarcastic...but it was a weak single.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

RBI Groundout
5-2, Here comes Sorian--....Mike Fontenot.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ
A productive out...weird
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

5-3!!!
Here we go Cubbies, here we go!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Make that 5-3...it's not over yet!
n/t
"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

HOME RUN
for the love of science.  hit a homerun and show mrs glavine and joe morgan crying
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

LMAO
Nice.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!!
THAT'S why Sweet Lou brought in Fontenot!!!!  Great move!!!

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

the move is net -1 run so far
DeRosa's mistakes cost 2, fontenot gained 1

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullcrap
No way Murton/Floyd get to those balls.  Gimme a break.  You seem to have a lot of trouble admitting that you're obviously wrong.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

...no...
but...a real RF gets at least one if not both...and also...don't get me wrong...we need to find a place on the field for Derosa to play...

Perhaps platoon Fontenot and Theriot at SS??

Still the Mets showed what a good slick SS can do to your hitters w/ balls up the middle.....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed
I think Jones would've caught both those balls.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

and jones
is another option that could've been brought in instead of moving your 2B to RF

and kendall's now 0-24 at throwing out baserunners

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny
you never said you wanted Jones in there until now.  

If only the Cubs still had Barrett....

We know, you think Barrett's great, you think Lou's an idiot, and you think Murton's great and should play more.  Will you stop posting the same stupid things now?

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually you've got it all wrong
1. i said the cubs should have an OF out there

didnt say Murton specifically when i complained about DeRosa being in RF

  1. i dont love Barrett, i just think people used him as a scapegoat and didnt realize the good offense he brought in the past that often outweighed the poor defense (until this season when he wasnt producing offensively). I think Kendall is a poor option at catcher and our best option is sitting in AAA hitting HRs every other night
  2. I dont hate Lou, i think he's a fine manager. I just don't think he is significantly better than Dusty Baker and I think the reason we've had more success this year than last year is the incredible influx of talent
  3. i do like Murton, i think he's a better option than Floyd (who is atrocious defensively and hasn't hit for power in 2 years... he's aging and declining)
those have been my points on all those subjects and they've been consistent throughout

take the time to read my posts and maybe you'll have a better idea of where i stand on things, because i'm consistent with all my opinions and i do my best to make them as clear as possible

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh
The abuse continues.  Please let this be the last time I read this crap.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW you did mention Murton specifically
After Fontentot was inserted in the ballgame you said:

"murton can't even get in now, against a frickin LH pitcher.... unreal"

Seems to me YOU need to take time to read your own posts.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

again
i said Murton should get into the game when Soriano went down

however, when i complained that we needed an OF in the field and not a 2B with two posts

post 1:

that was a 2B's route to the ball

post 2:

think we should actually play an OF out there????

as opposed to a 2B????

c'mon Lou....

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh
Whatever you say chief.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

IF IF IF
this team rebounds tonight, It's a different Cubs team. I think we all know these games are ones that are usually lost causes.

So, we'll see.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Have you just tuned in?
Have you been Rip Van Winkle the past month and a half?  What the hell are you talking about?  This is how the Cubs have been winning lately.  They are the anti-Brewers.  Give up 4-6 runs in the first five innings, shut them down the rest of the way and score 5-7 runs to win.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude,
I've seen 90% of the games this year, OK? However, I've been around this team for 40 fucking years. When the damned 136 million dollar man goes down, it just gives you pause, OK? I usually get flamed here for my optimistic stance.

Tonight, it's very hard to be optimistic,because I've gone down this road so many fucking times, and tragedy always is at the end of the damn street, no matter how optimistic I am.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel the pain.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes!
Especially after seeing the ESPN page Aaron posted, I really want to snatch this one from Glavine. ESPN sucks so bad.

I wish I were watching this game on WGN.

Great rally going here!

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Extra Innings
What an efficent way to use your bullpen.  You should start worrying about these as a Met

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Not Tonight
Glavine will not be a 300 game winner tonight.  Cubs are coming back to win this one.
There's always next year.

by BJ Simpson on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Wouldn't it be great if...
the Eastern Seaboard Sports Programming network...had to eat crrow and watch Glavine get den ied...!!!  :)
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

What
Soriano was at the bat?  Would he have come through?

by bobbyb on Aug 5, 2007 9:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Even if we come back to win this game
we still lost Alfo tonight for at least 2 weeks.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

If it is indeed more than cramp
he's going to be out longer than two weeks. Morgan said its the worst type of leg injury for a hitter and its his power leg as well.  Pie may be making a long stay for the Cubs.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

has morgan been right tonite?
morgan saying sori is injured amounts to a clean bill of health.  teams have waived physicals before trades after morgan said a player is injured.
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
post of the nite
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know I've been on your
case for being negative, obviously, tonight's my night for doom and gloom.

It could be WAY, WAY longer than 2 weeks.
In an earlier post, I gave a link to what can be expected from this type of injury. Scroll up for that link.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats what i was thinking,
i was confused too.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, dim wit -
it makes me a very frustrated fan.  How old are you? 20+?

I've seen more shit than you can possibly imagine.
A game like tonight just brings all the bad crap back, front and center.

Hypocrite, my ass.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hang in there, SDSJM
Things are never as bad as you think -- nor as good.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big man knows baseball
Then stop pushing Kool-Aid and show some of that great baseball knowledge so people stop calling you a hypocrite.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

theriot
seems to be favoring his left ankle hope its ok
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

OK, let's see if Uh-oh man can hold 'em!
He is due for a good outing!!
Soriano: rub two of those big bats together and you will catch fire!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

We've got a ballgame now
And the heart of the order coming up in the eighth. Keep fighting Cubbies!!!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

This is not over.
It's too bad this won't be Wood's win.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

i dont know if you noticed,
but will ohman is in the game...
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL, now game over
WTF IS OHMAN DOING IN THIS GAME?????

by paulucla on Aug 5, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Things could get worse
Dumpster could be pitching.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

lou
plz take him out right now

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Come to my side...
the "Dark Side"!

Oh-Man! is o.k. against LH ONLY!

HE SUCKS!!!

I Hate him!!!

(have I told you how I feel about Oh-Man ?)

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone is gonna
have to hit a HR.

Wagner will be on the "bump" ugh!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Time to take out OhMan
OhMan should be brought in to face ONLY a LH hitter

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

PULL OHMAN NOW
NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

WORST MOVE OF
THE YEAR BY LOU PUTTING THIS POS IN THE GAME.

by paulucla on Aug 5, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Loud sustained GROAN
Oh man giving up back-to-back hits to lead off the 8th.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's build up Wood's arm strenght....
And go thru September...

Zambrano
Lily
Wood
Hill
Marquis
Marshall...

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay fellas
I am logging off for the night. Gonna watch this one in peace and have sweet dreams of Kendall throwing someone out.

See y'all tomorrow.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Will Ohman.
What can I say? I hate you with all of my being.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL!
PLEASE DFA OHMAN.

Let me guess no one up in the pen?

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Good god this is horrible managing
Why in the hell is Ohman still on the Roster??

by cubsnlinux on Aug 5, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes it
is horrible managing.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Ohman...for keeping us from making
any kind of comeback....incredible lack of ability....why did Lou put him in?

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Dumb dumb dumb
Why is shitbag still in there?

by Itchy on Aug 5, 2007 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

LOU
HAS LOST HIS FRIGGIN' MIND.

by paulucla on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I would too
if my two lefties in the pen were Scott Eyre and Will Ohman and my F-ing GM refused to fix the fing problem.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

my F-ing GM refused to fix the fing problem.
Joe...you're such a dick...

I'm sure that's JUST what it is...
JH spent 300 Mil just to pull up and intentionally not spend any more $$ and not trade anyone just to make Lou mad...

Have another beer joe....

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

To quote Ron
"Ohman just can't get it done."

My optimism is very tempered right now.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

the bullpen being pretty good the last couple
months was a double-edged sword.  it got us back in the race but stopped us from picking up a badly needed arm.  hopefully there is an august deal coming that would clear waivers
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

The Pen
has been a very bright spot since the cubs turned things around. Hopefully, Kerry won't ruin the chemistry.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

i share your optimism in wood
he looked great and looks better and better as this game goes on.  i think we needed an arm including wood.  
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

OHHHHman sucks,
he really really sucks....  
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Before I go
Your Did-You-Know for the night:

Ohman is an old Indian word meaning "kill a rally by giving up 3 hits, a run, and a walk  before getting an out"

Good night, Cubbies!

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

That was hilarious
Lou looked completely deflated only ohman could have that effect on somebody

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
LOL
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

there is finally
a cub i hate more than jock

by CZ38 on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Better learn to like him....
...as I see a Floyd, Pagan, Jones outfield for a while.....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou
is a pissed individual. Going out to the mound just to make a fool out of Ohman...I just hope he finds a way to get rid of him.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

does anybody know of any hitman
up for hire???
PIE!!!

by LilLPLancer23 on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Ohman...we do not like you...go away...
I think that is what Lou was doing when he walked to the mound...he was shooing Ohman away from Wrigley

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

C'mon Phat....
Let's go Cubs.....
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Wuertz in
This is looking better.

Come on Cubs!

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

K?
And that caps a GREAT outing by AAAA RP Will Ohman!!!! YAY!
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

AAAA RP not fair to say
Think of all the guys who play AAA right now you insulted by saying Ohman is better than.
Seriously did ohman challange big jim to an eating contest in spring training for the right to stay on the team.
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

lou
didn't have to put Ohman in....

with a switch hitter, righty, lefty, righty to start

why bring in Ohman?

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

the more relievers we bring in
the better wood's inning looks.  
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Hendry should
get another arm in the pen, and another bat for the outfield before the deadline.....oh wait. Nevermind

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

The systemic issue
is, why, with Lou such a proponent of statistics, would he have On-Man! pitch to anyone other than LH hitters?

I hope he can discuss this in the post-game.

The Mets have proved their mettle here - on the road.

But  I HATE Oh-Man!

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully
Wuertz can come in and strike out the side.

I know, I said I was leaving...you guys are like crack though.

Except I'm not getting skinny here.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I mean seriously
given there recent performances, Lou needs to switch Eyre and Ohman in terms of pecking order late innings do not apparently work for Ohman, Eyre can at least have his streaks

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed
Eyre has looked really nice lately. He is far better than Ohman. Ohman never recovered from that Bonds Jack!

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

OH NUTS !!!
All season I constantly see posts talking about the "good" and "bad" Ohman, Eyre, Marquis, etc.
This is nothing more than a damn smokescreen for the failure to call a lousy pitcher just plain lousy.
The only relief that Eyre and Ohman have provided all year is the relief for the oppostion when their shrinking lead in a game becomes bigger when either of these guys comes into a game. And don't give me this dung about Eyre doing better than the first half.
Both of these guys are painfully inconsistent. They scare the crap out of me every time they come into the game.
And again tonite we see what Ohman has done all season long.
There is no reason and I mean no damn reason why this guy should be in a Cubs uniform.
I don't care if they bring up some kid from Peoria, Ohman has got to go.

by ceegeewow on Aug 5, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

let's not get that down
we will end up only giving up 1/2 a game to MIL over the homestand and they are not a road team. I think we'll pick up a couple of games each road trip...give one back at home...pick up some more on the next road trip etc.  were still in really good shape
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if that's the case, SDSJM,
I suggest you turn off your TV set now and not turn it back on until spring training.

Buck up, man. Some of these other idiots, I can see this from. Not someone sensible like yourself.

That Cubs fans like to wallow in their self-pity is something that makes them loathed by other MLB fans. Are you going to fall into that trap, too?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even I...
can have a bad night, can't I?

Teams cannot escape injury. However, when you placed a lot of money/hope in this guy, it's a punch in the gut.

You see the penny-pinching Padres get 3 HR's out of Scott Hairston in 3 straight AB's and you want to puke. Seems as if shopping at the 99-cent store isn't so bad as it seems.

It's like watching "Groundhog Day." Even it gets to me, after a while. As I said earlier, with Dusty in the chair -- this season's toast. With Lou, well...that's a different story. He might ba able to say shut up, and play and don't feel sorry for yourself. "Cowboy Up." (God, I hate that phrase, especially from friggin' Boston who wouldn't know a cowboy if he galloped down Landsdowne Street)

The sun comes up tomorrow and it's another day.
And baseball isn't that big a deal. I vented tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

shut up
you are quite the optimist.  Soriano was having a crappy year for his standards anyway. Maybe Pie can bring something new to the team, that is even if they need him.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

man if the infield is playing back
that is not a single and possibly a double play line out i hate baseball sometimes

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

The depth of my hatred of Will Ohman
is immeasurable by anything known to man.

Seriously.

I hate him with a passion I usually reserve for people like Jim Edmonds, Osama Bin Laden, or anything related to the University of Texas.

I feel the bile start rising when he walks in from the pen, then spend a steady 45 minutes hugging the porcelain like I just ate 3 week old shrimp that had been kept in my trunk in the middle of August.

Frick you, Will Ohman. Threve times.

by scotteboy on Aug 5, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow we got Ty-Fing-Cobb errr
Lasting Millegde out finally!

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

infield fly
i would have preferred lee let that ball fall to the ground and see if any of the mets would run.  nobody  does shit like that.  

i realize only a cubs baserunner would run there but you dont gain anything by catching that ball.

That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

To the bottom of the 8th...
Need a BIG inning, right now.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope you're right,
but I just don't see that happening.

Castillo has left the game.

by Joe on Aug 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big Z?
Do you think with the possibility of Soriano being injured could have Cubs front office signing Big Z sooner?  It could make the Cubs sale look healthier and better???

by ak123 on Aug 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I absolutely hate giving up runs.........
the inning after you score the exact same amount, like in Philly earlier this year with the 6 spots. irritating

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

what a terrible night.....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 5, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Relax Fans
The Cubs will not make the playoffs this year.
I am hoping for a good owner, good GM, and some decent trades that will make a good core into a great team.
We lack too many necessities to make a run.
Bullpen, especially left handeers.
Starting pitchers, they need someone to replace Marquis.
They need a catcer, center fielder, left fielder, and second baseman. Fontenont and DeRosa are solid backups, not starters.
Trade or release Jones, Pagan, and Kendall.
Trade either Marhall or Hill for another right hander.
I really think next year we could be much better.
Oh, and by the way, I always turn off the sound when Miller and Morgan are calling a game.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs will not make the playoffs
Yea...ANOTHER doom and gloom dork...
Does it take a lot of your brain effort to predict such a thing?

What are you gonna say when they DO make the playoffs....do the usual for doom and glooms and switch over and say "see, I KNEW they would make the playoffs!"?

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

One game out
I guess that's absolutely insurmountable.

Funny how a lot of other teams lose key guys and keep on smokin'.

Like I said, if this team utterly collapses without Soriano, it wasn't that good in the first place. I don't think that's going to happen.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly
I am saying that this team is going to come up a little short this year - they don't have key players to make a legitimate run. Losing Soriano has nothing to do with it.
I believe we have a good core of young players, we just need to build around that.
And by the way, I think this is the best starting pitching staff the Cubs have had since the Holtzman, Jenkins, and Hands days.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, you are exactly right.
If they can't work around him, they were not that good to begin with. However, you like having the guy you paid 136-million to....to be the picture of health!! (Couldn't Will Ohman blow out his arm?)

But that's baseball. One day you are at the top of the hill, the next day your heart breaks.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
I agree to a point. It isn't Soriano's fault he got hurt - no matter what his salary is. However, it is his fault for swinging at every pitch that is anywhere within 20 feet of the plate!!!

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doom and Gloom?
Hey listen, I have been a fan of this team for over 40 years and have seen enough collapes to last a lifetime. If you would just step back and look at the reality of their situation I posted, you would know I am far from "doom and gloom."

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been a fan for 37 years
and I've seen my share of stuff, too.

Sooner or later, it's not going to happen anymore. Might as well start now, don't you think?

Of course, if you always expect it to happen, it usually does. Moron.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Optomistic?
To say that this team doesn't have the players yet to make a run makes me a "moron."
If you have been a Cub fan that long you know darn well that this is not like any other baseball team in the history of the majors. So don't give me that "think positive" drivel.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why are you a fan then?
Wouldn't it be easier to cheer for someone else than to make yourself miserable cheering for the Cubs?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy
Because I don't quit on a team just because they lose. That is why I will continue to hope for the best.
My argument still stands, they don't have the players to make a run this year.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You might be right ...
But let's see what happens before we make sweeping declarations, shall we?

After all, the Cardinals had no business winning anything last year, right?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

True
You're right. I also remember the Marlins in 03, and the Cardinals in 64.
The Cubs can do it. I just don't think they have the right mix of players right now.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am far from "doom and gloom."
Then suck it up and quit talking like it!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?
What does my talking about it have to do with anything, except hoping for a winner!!
Look, I would give my right arm to see this team do what Boston and the White Sox have done - I am jealous, where is our World Series ring?

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does my talking about it have to do
Actions speak louder than words...
You have less than 10 posts all season and then show up tonight and start chiming in with all the negative BS and we're supposed to believe that you're a "true fan"?

Wow....with fans like you, who needs trolls?

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I see
So, because I haven't posted more than 10 (I don't know how you came up with that) on this site that means I cannot give an honest opinion of what we can expect.
My being a loyal, die hard, groaning Cubs fan since 1964 gives me the right to have an opinion just like you.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bluebo
I stand by my argument to the end, and if I am wrong I will say I was wrong, the Cubs did have the players to make it. Thank God!!!
But will you do the same?

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

conspiracy theory
Soriano faking leg injury to force Pie to be called up
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

did Lee walk to first?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 5, 2007 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Lee Ramirez and Floyd
The power coming up for the Cubs Huh? Put them all together and they beat Ryan Howard by 3, Fielder by 2, and are 1 short of A-Rod

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

OK
I'm going to say this once.

I do remember saying that we really needed a new LOOGY. We didn't get that.

That being said...

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's the cubs problem
the brewers are so young and only going to get better.  If they make the playoffs, they'll make money and spend it. We could be in for a tough five years to come to our neighbors to the north.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

yes because the cubs have nobody down in iowa
who could contribute in a year or two.
Pie, Gallagher, Veal, Patterson, Soto...
we have alot of depth in our farm system odds are two or three will stick.
And the cubs have a decent chance at getting ARod or Santana when they come on the market...how's the brewers chances of that.
Mark Cuban will by the cubs and everything will be ok
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think...
Selig is gonna let Cuban buy the Cubs?

Do you think Selig isn't going to put Brewer interest 1st in any trades/signings he has "to approve"....?

And...do you think Selig will review what I  might call the worst home plate umpiring I might have seen in my 40 years..if the Mets get 2 of 3?

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark Cuban IS going to by the cubs
If I say it enough it might happen.
I think Selig should let Cuban buy the Cubs look what he did for the Mav's.
However I've heard he is favoring a guy who currently is part owner of the brewers, yea no conflict of interest their.
Selig is to busy covertly dissing Bonds, since no owners made any money off of players who took steroids and baseball wasn't saved by two steroid users in 1998 (sorry i'm not a bud selig fan, look what you started)
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its not bud but other owners
Every owner has to agree to let cuban buy the cubs.  Reinsdorf doesnt like Cuban and he is good friends with bud,so it'll probably not happen.

As for Santana or A-rod?  You have to be insane. If the Cubs sign big Z for 18 million, they are not going to pay 30 million for a-rod or Santana a year.  If you think that price seems unreasonable, then you've got another thing coming. Also, Soriano's yearly pay only goes up. He's only making ten million this year. It just keeps going up.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Castillo out
he was helped out.

Wow.

Hope he's OK.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

wow
lee's and aram's dead bats just then really summed up the night.  
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

It sucks
Ohman single-handedly took the passion out of the entire team this game, we should do to him like we did the Bartman ball and make it a big spectacle i think this well help both team and fan morale anyone else agree?

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions  

keep in mind
that we were losing by 2 when we came in, so he didnt blow anything, but he sure didnt help at all.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's not that he lost us this game
and im not saying that by any means, but he took the energy out of the crowd by giving up the runs, even though its not over till its over he nullified the inning priors rally and then made our deficit the same as it was a inning before with less time to make it up.  Im not saying he lost us the game or that we would have won, but there would be more pressure on the Mets, more excitement in the crowd and what not that is no longer there

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

what month did Floyd hit his last HR?
April or May?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 5, 2007 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

June 28
and he has 6 extra base hits in his last 125 ABs

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou's 2 flaws tonight
  1. Putting Ohman in
  2. Not putting Murton in after Soriano was injured and not at all! I thought he hit lefties! Why does Lou hate him?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think
Lou hates him. Maybe Matt's not feeling well tonight.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee
I would not be opposed to trading Lee. I think we could do better. I don't like his attitude to the long-suffering fans of Chicago, i.e. calling us out for getting on Dempster the other night is just one example.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Disagree
I'm sure the cub's hate having a teammate who openly supports them after a rough day.  And lee is such a liability in the feild and who needs somebody in the 3-hole who can hit for average and get quite a few extra bases.
We should trade for He Soip Choi right now, get that bum out of town.
(this may or may not contain sarcasm)
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen
Did I say Lee should be traded?
I said I would have no problem if he was. I wouldn't have a problem if he stays, provided he stop making excuses for the players. The fans in Chicago have had enough excuse (like 98 years worth), they had a right to boo a guy who cannot get the job done.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow!
I've written some really silly things here before, but I don't know that I could ever write anything that silly, no matter how may Old Styles I might have had.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

could do better?
hes rated top 5 at his position we COULD do better in that those people exist, but they are by no means available so no lets not get crazy over one loss

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...
I'd really love to hear who exactly "could do better" than a Gold Glover who currently has a .327 BA, .516 SLG, and .932 OPS.

Trade him? That's just ridiculous.

"High...pop fly...wouldn't be a home run in a phone booth!" -Harry Caray

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee's power is back.
Due to Lee's injury, he's going to finish this season with mediocre (for Lee) stats - but from this moment through the end of the season, he's going to be one of the top offensive 1B in the game. And his glove isn't bad either.

by ClosingTime on Aug 6, 2007 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

No
I'd rather lose a fan who thinks we should trade our best player because he has a teammates back.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 10:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes!
Best comment of the night.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best player?
What makes you think Lee is our best player?
Ramirez and Zambrano are more important in my opinion. And yes that is an opinion, just like everyone else on this thread.
I will say it again,
  1. Lee can back a teammate without taking shots at us - he did the same thing last year with Dusty.
  2. We do not have the players this year to make a run.
That is my opinion - But I hope I am wrong.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come on...
Ken, are you serious? Zambrano better than Lee? Well, if you were comparing the two by only letting Lee play every 5th day, you would have an argument.

Like it or not, Lee is more so the heart and soul of this team than any player. Ramirez is a helluva ball player, but he just quietly goes about his game putting up numbers. Lee has been that way before, but is now a vocal leader, by example and and in the clubhouse.

What I have said isn't a fact, but you would have a hard time finding a large following in the "Derrek Lee is not our best player so let's trade him" camp.

Now, if you made that argument about Ohman, hey, I'm right there on your side drankin' Old Style for a Long While.

YMMV,
Florida Cubbie

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lee...
Lee leads the team in almost every meaningful category, including OPS, win shares, RC, BA, OBP, etc.

Lee also makes A-Ram a better defensive player.  

visit the mindful mission.

by big_lowitzki on Aug 6, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lets trade Soriano and Lee
for Neifi Perez, a bag of baseballs, and Player TobeNamedLater
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Hope the Ump is alright
That didn't look pretty.  Good call by our trainer to recommend his removal.
Tinker to Evers to Chance!

by sanantonecub on Aug 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

This is a very strange game.
I hope that umps ok.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

My question is...
the Cubs trainer says the ump's vision is messed up.  Why didn't they check it before the game?
That white W flag is the most beautiful sight to see. Go Cubs Go!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish
Our trainer would have went out in like the 2nd inning and recommended him be removed.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

i wish the trainer
would've recommended removing Ohman before he got to the mound

by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 5, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

par for the course....this game is horrible
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god
Well this is nothing new for Jason Marquis.

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry Jason Marquis, someone defend this joke, please, anyone.

Faith Plus One - Contributing Editor -http://www.inaleagueofherown.com

by Faith plus 1 on Aug 5, 2007 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Broadcasters comment...
"No one is going to get to 300 wins, except for maybe Randy Johnson..."

Mark Buehrle 27 years old, 106 wins
Tom Glavine at 27 years old, 85 wins

I'd say Buehrle has a very good chance at 300 wins.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah but Glavine
has played on a playoff team for I dont know how long which means he s winning a lot of games whether he's pitching well enough too or not, and i believe they still had 4 man rotations in Atlanta for awhile which means more starts

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do your homework ESPN!
Great preparation by the ESPN guys as they glossed over Buehrle, who has a realistic shot at 300 career wins.  

On Buehrle's page on BaseballReference.com Glavine is listed as the 2nd "Similar Pitchers through Age 27" to Buehrle.

BTW Glavine's first 4 years the Braves were terrible finishing in 6th place 3 straight years.  In Glavine's rookie season they finished in 5th.

by DrCrawdad on Aug 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, Dr C
Glavine came in at the end of an era -- the 4 man rotation. Nowdays, we have to baby our pitchers with the 5 man rotation. I don't see anybody getting enough starts anymore to come close to having the chance to win 300 games.

Everybody faints when a pitcher hits 100 pitches. In the olden days, we didn't even count the damn pitches, and Tom Seaver probably threw 125+ in all of those complete games he racked up.

Perhaps Buehrle can make it to 300 wins. But his win percentage would have to skyrocket, because he'll never have as many starts as he needs.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 5, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

A swing and a miss ...
... on my part.

"Perhaps Buehrle can make it to 300 wins. But his win percentage would have to skyrocket, because he'll never have as many starts as he needs."

I overlooked that but it's a great point.

"Glavine came in at the end of an era -- the 4 man rotation. Nowdays, we have to baby our pitchers with the 5 man rotation."

I don't know how many games of Glavine's first 7 years were in a 4 man rotation.  IP and GS, Glavine and Buerhle are very close on a glance of their career stats.

 

by DrCrawdad on Aug 5, 2007 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not so much just the four-man rotation...
...so much as it is the move toward using bullpens more and limiting pitch counts. Guys just don't get as many decisions as they used to.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hurly, Buehrle man...
BUEHRLE/GLAVINE
DECISIONS 163/161
GAMES STARTED 204/208
INNINGS PITCHED 1427.9/1356.9

Take a look at the numbers, it doesn't appear to me that they support your opinion.  Maybe I've missed something (as I did earlier in this discussion) and if so please let me know.

It looks to me that Buehrle has more innings pitched and more decisions per games started.  

Granted in Buehrle's first season he worked primarily out of the pen and had only 3 starts but he also only pitched 51 innings.  IIRC in 2000 he was primarily a LOOGY.

Oh, and over at ChicagoSports.com Rahula Strohl discusses Buehrle as a pitcher with a chance to win 300.  

"One name that I haven't seen, and a name that has been laughed at whenever I bring it up, should be obvious to all.

"Mark Alan Buehrle."

by DrCrawdad on Aug 6, 2007 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

They keep saying that!
Mussina has 246... Still has a chance to get to 250 this year and could get to 300 within 4 years

by Willgly on Aug 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mussina sucks now,
it would take him 10 years to get there.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent article on 300 wins...
...by Edward Thoma of The Mankato MN Free Press.

http://www.mankato-freepress.com/columns/local_story_218010529.html

Starts % Win %Loss %ND

Sutton 756 42.9 33.9 23.2
Carlton 709 46.4 34.4 19.2
Blyleven 685 41.9 36.5 21.6
Seaver 647 48 31.7 20.2

------

Clemens 690 50.4 25.8 23.8
Maddux 673 49.5 30.2 20.4
Glavine 635 45.7 30.0 24.3

------

Buehrle 201 46.3 32.3 21.4
Sabathia 185 45.8 30.3 25.9
Oswalt 177 55.3 26.6 18.1
Zambrano 129 45.7 24.8 29.5
Santana 100 55 19 26

"A couple of notes here: These numbers are all entering the 2007 season. For the younger pitchers, I only used their seasons as starting pitchers. Santana's numbers, therefore, are strictly from 2004-2006, his three seasons as a full-time starter. For the older guys, I just used their career numbers, ignoring the likelihood that, for example, Sutton got some decisions in his 18 career relief appearances.

"Conclusion: The no-decision rate for today's 20-somethings is slightly higher, but not drastically so -- and the increase comes not from their win percentage, but their loss percentage. The key thing for getting to (or near) 300 wins is making at least 650 starts. A pitcher who can do that has a shot."

by DrCrawdad on Aug 7, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

how was wood?
I missed Kerry Wood pitching - girlfriend wanted to watch Entourage!! -- but I see that Wood pitched one inning and gave up a hit with one k. How did he look?  

by Willgly on Aug 5, 2007 10:10 PM CDT reply actions  

his stuff looked good
not as good as ohman's, but good.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

forget wood
you need to get some balls
That said, I think the Cubs will still win this game and the Central

by joeschmitt on Aug 6, 2007 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Looked real good
I am sure someone will have it on YouTube, or maybe on Cubs.com
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

So I recall a post from earlier that stated...
that other MLB fans hate Cubs fans because of our wallowing in pain or self-pity.....fine but people we ARE long suffering and so what are we supposed to do? Do we get more cred for being "eternal optimists" that are happy and hopeful no matter what? Then we get made fun of for being fans of those "loveable losers"!!! Maybe 100 years makes some a bit impatient.

by razzpunk on Aug 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Right on the mark!
That is what my argument has been. We are, in my opinion, the best fans in the history of professional sports. Name another professional franchise fan base that has lost so often so consistently for nearly 100 years, and still support their team. Lood at the "support" the Pirates, Reds, and Marlins get now. And they have won multiple World Series!
Cubs fans are the best - that's why I am disappointed in Lee's comments.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

The evidence here is clear
that it would appear as if the NL East is better than the best the Central has to offer.

We have dropped all of the series against the Phils and Mets. Broken even with the Braves, I believe.

- sigh -

Just can't compete with these teams yet...

Especially with a "power outage" and OH-MAN! ;-)

Plenty of ball left...

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Ohman's ERA sky rocketed over 5.00
can we just DFA him?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I am overly optimistic now!
I don't drink kool-aid and I am a pessimist by nature but here's four reasons why I am optimistic:
  1.  Did you see how Lou was so disgusted with Ohman he couldn't even look him in the face when he told him to give the intentional walk.  Ohman is in the friggin dog house, and good riddance to him.  Next to go is Scottie.
  2.  I think that Soriano being gone for a while will NOT hurt this team.  It will probably help it for now.  Bring on Pie, play Murton and Fontenot.  Good things will happen.  Did you see how Fontenot got that clutch double.    Sori needs a month or two off. :-)
  3.  I think Marquis pitched a good game.
  4.  Kerry Wood is back.  Maybe three good innings a week in the future.  That's great.  His stuff was fine.

by zevkalman on Aug 5, 2007 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Atleast Scott Eyre
is making progression, Ohman's sucked the whole year
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

When is that blonde they keep showing...
in the 1st or 2nd row gonna take her clothes off?
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Its T Glavs wife
Like I said earlier only redeeming factor of this game is watching her all night

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Pagan experiment in center
needs to end.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 5, 2007 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I might have missed
it but did they mention Glavine's wife's name, how many kids he has and their names, and how many people he brought there tonight?
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

how many people he brought there tonight?
I think her name is Sharon (I think), and they said aboutg 30 family members and friends...

Hope that helps Sue.   :-)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was being
sarcastic. They've only mentioned it 3 times an hour.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poop.
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was being sarcastic
Oh...DOH!....
Sorry 'bout that....I was mesmerized by jon miller's droning voice....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, in fact Glavine has a young son named
"Manson," named after Charles Manson.
That white W flag is the most beautiful sight to see. Go Cubs Go!!

by LAcarl519 on Aug 5, 2007 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I make a 1.5 hour commute each day
back and forth to Milwaukee. I cant imagine the crap im going to have to listen too on sports radio tomorrow. PANIC!!

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

dont worry
they're going to be pissed about their own loss. They lost 4 games in their last 10 that they should have easily won.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

over/under on number
of pitches the Cubs see in the 9th?

I am going with 7....

They cant wait to get out of there.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Aug 5, 2007 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

wow, this is a helluva game thread.
you all do realize that with a loss tonight we are ONE GAME out of first place right?

by anormal on Aug 5, 2007 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

um...no??
giving up a sac fly is not his fault...he can't get that runner out at 3rd..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have him over Cordero
especially after Cordero's explosion today..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

stupid comment
I would take cordero, turnbow, and linebrink above dempster

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course not
Because you already have them.  You are a Brewers Fan.  

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dempster > Cordero
Cordero blew another save today if anyone cares
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Dempster's ERA
against the Mets just dropped significantly

by INWes44 on Aug 5, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

At least
We get to play houston next week.
Wandy Rodrigez might help our offense wake up
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 10:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I did not have the sound on very loud
And I was going back and forth not paying too much attention to the TV... from across the room I thought Glavine's parents were Barbara and George H.W. Bush.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

All the Cubs could muster...
is 8 hits......?

Glavine struggled like he$$........but the WEAK cub offense fails again.......

They better find some ways to start scoring more runs fast ... if we want to see October baseball including the Cubs.....

The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's hope Pie
can hit this time up.  At least the outfield defense should be improved with Jones in right and Pie in center.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Wagner Pitching
To solidify Glavine's win? I hope his arm falls off

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

i quite
or is it quit
i think it's quit
goodnight cubs fan
Barry Bonds hits #755 off a guy suspended for steroid use in 2005

by jds2 on Aug 5, 2007 10:22 PM CDT reply actions  

The NEW OF
Well - it appears as if the OF until further notice will be Pie/CF, JJones/RF (Platoon w/Murton), Cliff/LF (Platoon w/Murton) and PAgan as 4th OF - but after tonight - who knows?

I am hoping that JJ will be able to track the ball better in RF.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
You quit? You mean you don't think the Cubs can score five runs off of Wagner in the 9th? Geez, what a doom and gloomer.

by qccub on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

.282
that is the BA for opponents against Ohman. And Lou still sends him out there...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

NO! You need to
look at his splits.

He is mostly efective as a LOOGY specialist.

Unfortunately, we do not have this luxury anymore.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

kendall is hot
2b
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Im not mad Glavine got the win
He is a quality guy and a quality pitcher. He deserves all the accolades he receives. We would all be feeling better about this loss if Sori hadnt gotten hurt. I hope we rally behind this. Other teams do it, so can we.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions  

what other teams rally when
one of their best players gets hurt?

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillies
Just lost Utley.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

they split a series with the cubs
and lost the series to the brewers.  They also traded for tad iguchi, so they really didnt rally much.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Phillies
The Phillies didn't have a problem rallying against the Brewers tonight without Chase Utley.  Ouch, that's gotta hurt

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its balanced
by last nights victory.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Murton K's
I bet that makes you all happy and giddy
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Nope
Just makes you look stupid

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was hoping he'd hit a
5 run homer.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Aug 5, 2007 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone on this board
apparentely thrives on his bad at bats...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

ATTENTION: DO NOT FEED TROLLS
bleedcubbiepooh just showed up tonight for the first time ever, doing the usual "troll" stuff - talking trash, calling people names, doom and gloom, etc...

Please keep that in mind.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Aug 5, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually
i havent been talking that much trash. Ive actually been agreeing with a lot of what you guys have been saying and I can also say that the cubs have been playing some awesome baseball lately.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re: Actually
Don't concern yourself with "Bluebo" he thinks his "optimism" must be shared by us all or we are "morons," "losers," and not "true fans."
And by the way, look who is calling someone else out for name-calling?

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll have his chance
now.

-phat

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

no he won't
I bet Floyd moves to LF, DeRosa to RF, and Fontenot to 2B. Lou apparentley hates Murton..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey!
That's not fair!

:-)

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

he'd start Pagan over him
I mean Murton was called up to play against lefties. We play against a lefty, he sits on the bench!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry.
-phat-

You are the only person that sigs when we see your screen name already. ;-)

-phat-

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I get it.
I thought that might be the case.

It's an old habit.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank God
the Cubs are in the Central. We would have no chance in the east. The Mets, Phillies and Braves are all better than we are.

by qccub on Aug 5, 2007 10:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Impression time!
My impression of John Miller calling the game:

"...and Fontenot takes a ball outside from Sosa Tom Glavine. The Cubs, in the midst of a great run here in the NL Central Tom Glavine as they jockey back and forth Tom Glavine with the Brewers Tom Glavine. Sosa looks in Glavine and delivers Tom Glavine. Fontenot rockets one down the Tom Glavine line and a run will score Glavine, as Fontenot Tom Glavine races to second with no throw Tom Glavine. And Fontenot Tom Glavine is in there with a double Tom Glavine to try to keep Tom Glavine from getting Tom Glavine win number Tom Glavine 300. Glavine.

The Cubs Tom Glavine trying to play spoiler tonight Tom Glavine against Tom Glavine and the Tom Glavine Mets Glavine.

And a Tom Glavine pitcher change Glavine as Sosa Tom Glavine comes out and we'll Tom Glavine take a break as the Tom Glavine pitcher change 300 new pitcherthree hundred Tom Glavinecomes in from the Tom Glavine bullpen. We'll be Tom Glavine back in a moment. Glavine."

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

me next!
Joe Morgan:

"Barry Bonds could have hit that one out of the park."

"Barry Bonds would have kept Glavine from winning a game"

"Barry Bonds could have pitched a better game."

"Barry Bonds."

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love it!
That was brilliant! But you owe me for a new keyboard. I was drinking a soda when I read your post. :)

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha
Ken, I am gonna invent a keyboard condom for us BCB readers to put on our keyboards during Cub games. There's no telling what could happen to them...
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

what did
john miller mean at the end by glavine getting his 300th and maybe his last. im sure this isnt his last win.

by tbizzle83 on Aug 5, 2007 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps...
last pitcher to win 300.
Nobody else pitches long enough into ballgames these days to pick up the multiple 18-20-win seasons needed to get to 300 career wins.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 5, 2007 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes me want to puke,....
F*&^ Tom Glavine and his family....I never saw them get heckeled ar anything....
\
And the totally whimpy Cub offense better come to life sune .... or playoffs are out of the question.
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Miller
He thinks Glavine will be the last pitcher ever to 300.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 5, 2007 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

My conclusions...
An ugly, ugly game.

1)Tom Glavine has a hot wife.
2)Too many walks issued by our pitchers (again).
3)Kerry Wood looked pretty respectable. I'll be anxious to see how this turns out.
4)Will Ohman (still) needs to be taken out back and beaten with a sock full of nickels. His ERA over the last 7 games is 11.57. Why does he still have a job?
5)Still only 1 game out of the NL Central lead.
6)Our offense was less than impressive tonight. We need some bats. Now.
7)We're still not out of this thing.
8)I need a drink. See you tomorrow.

Your results may vary.

by riggs on Aug 5, 2007 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Marquis
3 BB, 1 K--
It's been this way since May.
He's really a 5th starter. It's tough to have him as your #3.
The team continues to hover around .500, which makes sense based on the roster.
Unfortunately, Hendry spent enough money to make a better team, but he failed.
Luckily, still possible to compete in the Central.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 5, 2007 10:36 PM CDT reply actions  

30 games under .500
at this time last year?

And, thats no better to you?

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Better"
They are better than last year. That's not the ultimate job of the GM, especially when he can spend at will. The goal is to win the World Series.
Better than the team that lost 97 games? Mission accomplished. But even Bonifay could have done that.
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 5, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right
We want a World Series victory, not just a winning season.
By the way, who's Bonifay?

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cam Bonifay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cam_Bonifay
"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Aug 5, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still can't figure out....
Why our genusis Pinella doesn't pitch Marquis between Hill and Marhsall.....CUZ it's killing Marshall whenever he sees the same team as Hill the next day.........
The best defense is a good offense

by kcjones on Aug 5, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because
then Lilly and Hill would pitch on consecutive days. It'd have the same effect on Hill that it currently has on Marshall.

by GoCubsGo11 on Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou on PC right now..
Sori out minimum of 2wks - probably, "at least a month."

"Don't know what we're gonna wit respect to Pie, we're gonna talk about it tomorrow."

"losing Soriano is the toughest thing about this homestand."

Did NOT address why Ohman SUCKS ASS.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah
I was hoping somebody would ask him about Ohman or his "mount visit". I would love to hear a "30-foot curveball" redux.
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

* "mound visit"
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

no
he hasn't been that huge offensive threat this year like he was last year. I think he can be replaced for what he was giving us..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No
He'd be back around playoff time, maybe with a couple of weeks to spare if we're fortunate. You just gotta hope this team can continue to play well and compete for the NL Central without him (after my initial shock and sadness, I think that they can)
"And heeeere cooome the pretzels!"

by NightPutting on Aug 5, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check many posts above...
lots of comments in the 500 above threads...

-phat-

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely not
This team is a lot more balanced and resilient than a lot of the other ones we've seen around here recently.

I'm a big believer in self-fulfilling prophecies. If the attitude around this team really is to change, and change permanently, then everybody involved with it has to stop throwing in the towel at the first sign of adversity. That's been far too common in Cubs culture.

I don't think Lou is going to allow that to happen.

With other guys picking up the slack, the return of Pie and -- who knows, maybe a trade -- I think the Cubs can stay in this until Soriano gets back, most likely in about a month.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope
I actually think we have better choices for lead-off.

It comes down to whether or not our other bats step up. Which, oddly enough, they haven't the past week or so.

We also comes down to relief. It's too bad we couldn't pick up 1) a good LOOGY or 2) some long relief.

The short relief has generally been very good, minus a couple of players. The bats have been OK, but not where they should be.

It's starting to look like April right now.

I don't think losing Soriano kills us.

I wonder if there's a call up for left field to platoon with Murton?

I don't follow the minors as much as some.

Either way, I don't think the season is over. It's going to be tough, though.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have a decent LOOGY
He just needs to start being used as a LOOGY only

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point
Why isn't he then?

That is a good question, I think.

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No doubt
and I don't know why Lou does that.  It's the only thing I don't understand about Lou.  Although I will say that it was probably best to scrap tonight's game than it was to bring out Marmol and Howry yet AGAIN and give them full strength for the Rockies series.  We have played seven games in a row and have seven more games this week.  I think Lou sometimes puts in Ohman when he wants to save Marmol and Howry.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 6, 2007 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Self-Answer
Situation serious but not hopeless.  At the very worst I see them still in it until the last week of the season.  Don't know if a significant waiver deal can be made but it would be nice seeing Murton and Pie getting their chance.

by SecondSon on Aug 5, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing
Lee, Ramirez, Z or Lilly would be far worse than losing Soriano.

If indeed the Cubs have to lose one of their key players for a stretch, he's the most expendable.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 5, 2007 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

His defense will be missed
he plays a really good left field.

by BleedCubbiePoo on Aug 5, 2007 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm. I haved mixed feelings
about this statement. He has a plus+ arm - teams are not running on him much any more.

But on the many times I have seen him at Wrigley, or on tv, I would say other than his harm - he is at or below average as a LF, imo.

His routes to the ball, the lack of hustle on occasion, decisions, positioning...I just don't think he'd be in the top 15 in baseball.

I'd be interested in seeing professional scouting reports on this topic.

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

"harm" =
arm

-phat-

It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Simple Solution
Call up Pie to take over CF and keep him there. His defense would be winning us games. I seriously think that Glavine's RBI wouldn't have occurred if Pie was handling the ball in CF.

Put Floyd in RF and shuffle Murton, Pagan, and Jones in LF.

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 10:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep. Agreed.
-phat-
It is AUGUST, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Aug 5, 2007 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed,,,,
The simple solution is Pie.. Is he hurt?  This outfield is miserable.  Watching people play positions that they aren't used to playing in a playoff race is awful.  Put someone in center field who is a natural CENTER FIELDER.  At least he may be able to make those in right and left field look a little better!!
"The game is always healthier when the Cubs are good, and in a week they have made themselves a whole lot better."

by BillHoldenFan on Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie played RF today in Iowa
and went 1 for 2, 3 BB
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

this was the most depressing game ive seen
since game 7 in 2003, whatever optimism i had before tongiht has quickly been killed
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Aug 5, 2007 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow!
You've got to be kidding me.

Losing a NLCS is as depressing as this loss?

phat

by phatass on Aug 5, 2007 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i said this was the most depressing game
since that game, that game is in a league of its own as far as im concerned, but this game is certainly up there in depressing games since that one
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Aug 5, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about the game
Nomar got hurt in 2005?  Or the game in 2004 where Hawkins blew the save to the Mets, or any of those games during the Cubs death spiral that year (like the one against the Reds where Prior was brilliant but the offense didn't score and they lost on a Kearns HR).  Let's try to put this in a little perspective.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nomar!!
that was a bad game! I always thought to myself, if Dusty had waited one more day to switch Nomar and Lee's spot in the lineup, then history may have been completely different...
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Aug 5, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buck up
kid.  It's not that bad.

by cubsbak on Aug 5, 2007 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was more than optimistic
I was confident. This team had what it took to take this division. I am now back down a peg to optimistic that it can happen, but confidence is waning. I still feel that this team has the ability to pull this out. Just gonna take people steppin up and pushing hard.

I am far more worried about our 3, 4, 5 starters than I am Soriano. His bat was nice, but it hardly ever won us a ball game. It changes the complete order of what kind of team this is. Speed/No Power at the top and supposed power, that has yet to show up, in the middle.

Hill, Marshall, and Marquis need to step up and deliver. They need to give quality innings, and act like they give a crap when they are out there. my dog shows more emotion when she is taking a crap than Marshall and Hill have shown this season.

by louslovechild on Aug 5, 2007 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

What can we do?
If Hendry is going to leave a positive legacy around here, he needs to do two things ASAP:
  1. Re-sign Zambrano.
  2. Bring up Soto and see if he can do the job.

by Ken Hubbs on Aug 5, 2007 11:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah
I'm not quite sure why Koyie Hill is the one up here and not Soto.  I think Kendall should catch Hill, Marquis, and Marshall with Soto catching Zambrano and Lilly.

by IllinoisCubs on Aug 6, 2007 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bandwagon Jumpers
I have a feeling that a lot of the folks who jumped on the bandwagon in the last three weeks will be jumping right back off now that Soriano is hurt. I'm  sure that several people will blame Hendry for this, perhaps somehow even McPhail.
Tell me Gerald, what is this "walk" you speak of?

by Ross on Aug 5, 2007 11:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Not me at least
Alfonz is out a few weeks? OK, let's see them pick it up. I'd like to see Matty in LF at least for a few games. I still like him but don't think Lou does. I know last year is last year but Matty had the same BA against righties as Southpaws.

Put Alfonz on the 15-day, bring up Pie. Here's to seeing Theriot and Fontenot in the 1-2 spots.

Will Alfonz being out hurt? Yes. Will the Cubs tank? No. This ain't club Dusty anymore. Lou will not let that happen.

Who knows, maybe there will be a waiver pick-up that could help. Can't remember for sure if this was before or after the non-waiver deadline. But in '03 didn't the Cubs make an acquisition on the same day for a given player position as when someone got hurt?

da-da-daddio

by blackhawk24 on Aug 6, 2007 6:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN game "coverage"
was the most pitiful "broadcast" of ANY sports telecast I have EVER seen!  

Without taking a stopwatch to the "coverage", I would guesstimate that the actual live televised Cubs on the field plays totaled no more than 12 minutes!

Great news that TNT will cover the playoffs.  

I will choose to just listen to WGN radio next time that the Effete Sorry Pitiful Notreally-a-network  hijacks a Cubs game.  

SOMEDAY…

"If they won a world championship, sure, we'd be proud. But we couldn't love them any more than we already do &#8211"-anon.CubFan

by hellfreezesoverwaittillnextyear on Aug 6, 2007 12:40 AM CDT reply actions  

i agree wholeheartedly
ESPN is horrible with broadcasts.  This is not because I love the cubs and would prefer chicago biased broadcasters.  But I was getting incredibly tired at the lack of game coverage and the amount of coverage for tom glavine's family that weren't even sitting in the same section.  

by AJ on Aug 6, 2007 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glavine was the story tonight.
300 wins is a major story, certainly bigger than the Cubs tonight. I have no quarrels with ESPN putting priorities where they belong. This wasn't our team's broadcast.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disappointing homestand.
A good team is supposed to win at home against good teams in the middle of a pennant run. (Against bad teams, it's suppose to sweep or almost sweep.) At least we didn't lose too much grounds in the standings.

Several things worth noting:

1. The starting pitchers performed badly and forced the bullpen to overwork. Only Lilly did his job this week.

We discovered (or reaffirmed) several things about our bullpen:

a. Will Ohman is finished.
b. Scott Eyre isn't.
c. Ryan Dempster is not a good closer.
d. Bob Howry did a better job closing during our winning stretch.
e. Carlos Mármol is doing his job well. Lou better not overwork him.
f. There is hope about what Kerry Wood can do for this team. We still need to see if he can be consistently good.

  1. The worst news this week was Soriano's injury. This is serious. We lost our biggest HR threat and lead-off hitter during a pennant run. There is no player currently in the roster or the minors who can provide what we miss with Soriano out for a month. The Cubs will probably call Pie up but, face it you optimists and Pie-boosters, the guy hasn't shown that he can hit in the major leagues. And remember, the Cubs didn't do well the last time Soriano missed playing time.
  2. Cliff Floyd is just a shadow of his former self.
  3. On the positive side, Jacque Jones and Jason Kendall improved their offense.
  4. The Cubs have serious trouble against left-handers. A steady diet of them could eliminate the Cubs from contention, if Soriano's absence doesn't do it first.
  5. The lack of power in this lineup hampered the Cubs this week. With Soriano's absence that deficiency is magnified.
Many people posted here tonight that if Soriano's injury costs the Cubs the pennant then this team wasn't that good after all. Well, maybe it never was. Many of us warned about the lack of power, even during the good times. Slapping singles can only get you so far. We're going to miss now the big bat we didn't try to get before the trade deadline.

Is the season over? Of course not. After all, the Cubs are only a game back in the standings and the other teams have weaknesses too. It all depends on how management and the players react. However, Soriano's absence just when the schedule gets tougher, the inconsistency of our starters and our closer, and a losing homestand against good teams aren't good signs.

Regardless, let's hope for the best and cheer our team.

by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 3:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Just want to add
lookingat the Brewers site, they are really a bunch of hacks.  Toasting Soriano's injury is a real classy move from such a sensitive crowd that bans people who speak poorly of the Brewers.

Oh well, hopefully Lou's comments about potential moves doesn't just mean bringing up Pie.  

MMMMM...Hebrew National

by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I really try
to not be negative on our players but thinking about ten or so more starts from Marquis makes me break out in hives. Just the thought of Ohman makes me nauseous. I don't understand why Lou leaves him in there when it's obvious Will doesn't have it. He sat Erye for a long period of time can't he do that with Ohman too?

It seems to me that this team works hard to step it up when there have been injuries. I think they will be ok.

It was nice to see Wood pitch last night. I just wish it had been CSN or WGN doing the game when he came in. There wouldn't have been the mistake of thinking the ovation was for Glavine.

I have been a big supporter of Len & Bob all year and after last night of ESPN I really appreciate Len & Bob. If either of you are reading this site I love you guys.

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

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