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Witness To History, Part Deux

This is history that, frankly, I'd rather Tom Glavine had waited till his next start to make, since in notching his 300th career win, it meant a Cub loss, 8-3 to the Mets last night, and despite the comments of Chuck at Ivy Chat in the past that I'd rather see history than a Cubs win, that's simply not true, particularly now, when every win is critical in a pennant race. In fact, with storms ripping through parts of the Chicago area last night, it might have been better had this one been rained out.

Incidentally, I find myself in agreement with Chuck this morning (yes, I know you're gasping). Chuck wrote of the scary-looking right quad injury to Alfonso Soriano which is apparently going to keep him out from 2-4 weeks:

Soriano has been causing problems for this team all year. On this team, he really should be playing right and batting 2nd or 5th in the order. Due to his weak mental makeup and lack of a smart approach to an at bat, he has to bat first and play left. Because of this limitation, the Cubs are worse in right field, employing mostly Matt Murton, Daryle Ward, Cliff Floyd. All those guys are left fielders. Soriano has the arm for right, but can't play there because it screws up his hitting.

Chuck's got it pretty much nailed here. I'm not sure I agree with "weak mental makeup", but Soriano doesn't approach at-bats well, and is one of the streakiest hitters I've ever seen in a Cub uniform. When he's going well -- as he was during the month of June, when he hit .336/.379/.697 with 11 HR in 28 games -- he can help carry a team. But when he's cold -- and since the All-Star break he's hitting .255/.277/.439 with 3 HR in 23 games -- he can drag a team down. Dave and I have discussed this quite a bit in the bleachers all season, how Soriano has almost never -- save that game-winning single he had against the Rockies on June 25 -- had a hit in a key situation all season.

So apart from the little bunny hop he makes before every routine catch in left field, will the Cubs miss him? I say no. The obvious move is to recall Felix Pie, shift Cliff Floyd back to LF, and have Jacque Jones and Mark DeRosa split time in RF (with DeRosa and Mike Fontenot splitting time at 2B). This won't help the defense much (except for the huge upgrade in CF with Pie), but most of us have noted the big boost in energy the Cubs have received each time Pie has been added to the roster. It may be a coincidence, but the Cubs' record in games in which Pie has appeared is 32-16, and 26-36 in all other games.

So this move ought to be a no-brainer today -- Soriano to the DL, Pie recalled. And one more move I'd make -- sign Jose Cruz Jr., who was waived by the Padres on August 1. His batting numbers were depressed by having Petco Park as his home park, and he has always hit LHP well (.276/.360/.464 lifetime). He could spell Floyd in LF or Jones in RF, and would give Lou a switch-hitting pinch-hit option.

About the two other significant events last night; first, Tom Glavine's 300th win. People are saying, again, that Glavine will be the "last" 300-game winner. "People" said this more than forty years ago after Early Wynn won his 300th game. There weren't any after that for a while, but Glavine is now the ninth pitcher to notch 300 wins since Wynn. It's an odd milestone in this sense -- the player accomplishing it doesn't necessarily have to be on the field when it happens, unlike a 3000th hit or 500th HR, and Glavine wasn't (and neither was Greg Maddux three years ago in San Francisco). The remnants of the Wrigley Field crowd (many of whom left after Will Ohman turned a still-close 5-3 game into a 7-3 game, and still more left when DeRosa accidentally hit plate umpire Marty Foster on a swing, causing a delay of a few minutes), a fair number of whom were Mets fans but also the Cub fans in attendance, gave Glavine a warm ovation after the last out, when he and his teammates celebrated on the field. I've now seen two of these (this one and Maddux', and I know Jeff and Jessica, who were both in SF in 2004 for Maddux', can say the same, but how many other fans can say this?) and despite the fact that I'd rather the Cubs had won, I was glad to have been a witness to this historic event.

The other significant event last night was the return to the mound of Kerry Wood for the first time in fourteen months. He got three ovations -- the first for warming up, the second when he trotted in from the bullpen (after everyone made sure it wasn't Bob Howry again), and another when his name was announced. Wood threw a scoreless inning, though I'd be less than truthful if I said it was "triumphant". His velocity was good, but he didn't have total command -- he went to a full count twice, and gave up a hit, throwing 8 strikes among his 14 pitches. That said, it was a good thing for him to get this first appearance out of the way and now he can move on to being a productive member of the bullpen.

Which is more than I can say for Will Ohman, who stunk again last night. Suddenly, Scott Eyre, who again had a scoreless appearance last night (the two walks were intentional), is the most effective lefty out of the pen.

This is what this club has done the last two months -- someone fails, someone else picks him up. It wasn't enough to win last night's game, but since the Brewers lost in a spectacular meltdown to the Phillies, blowing a 5-run 9th-inning lead, the Cubs remain only a game out of first place, going on the road on the same trip as Milwaukee (trading off opponents Houston and Colorado) where they've played well and the Brewers haven't.

Incidentally, the Cubs' +54 run differential is tied for best in the NL with San Diego, and despite the 36-21 run since June 2, the Cubs are still underperforming their Pythagorean projection by three games (should be 61-49 based on that).

So I'm still cautiously optimistic, but there's one important thing that still must be addressed: starting pitching, which seemed such a strength a month ago, is now shaky. Jason Marquis was mediocre last night -- he was getting the ground balls he needs to succeed, but they were all getting through for hits -- and with Rich Hill and Sean Marshall also shaky the last month, that leaves the Cubs with only two reliable, consistent, every-time-out starters. That's not enough. If there's a starting pitcher out there who's available at not too high a cost, the Cubs should make an effort to go get him.

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At least....
At least you got to watch history in person and didn't have to sit through the ESPN broadcast of Tom Glavine's family, narrated by the incoherant ramblings of Joe Morgan.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 8:52 AM CDT   0 recs

We were thinking about...
... starting a pool to see what time it would be before Morgan would say something negative about the Cubs.

What time was that, anyway?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2007 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too True
I forgot that since we aren't the Mets, Yanks, Sox or sometimes the Braves, and don't possess one of Joe's favorite "young" guys (see: Bonds, Griffey, Vlad) who are perhaps past their prime but are still "good" players no matter what they do, we don't get any love.

I didn't hear a lot come out of Joe's mouth about how bad the Cubs were last night. They were too captivated with every single movement Tom's parents or wife made. Of course, Joe would actually have to watch and comment on the game to say how bad Marquis really looked last night. Joe doesn't actually have to watch the game to say his completely neutral "opinion." The man makes Brenly look like an activist.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed
I hate when the Cubs are on national TV -- especially ESPN -- but last night was even worse. It was like watching John Madden call a Packers game -- a lot of stroking for Glavine.

by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably
A few minutes after the Mets scored their first run.

Also Al, you may be interested...I wrote a recap on the ESPN announcing here for those who missed the game on TV.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was Tom Glavine mentioned?
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He played last night?
Couldn't have guessed.  All I saw was a boring game ...
"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you hear John Miller
state last night that Wrigley Field "Was not built in the HD (Hi-Def) ERA"  

To which I just have to say "um...ya' think?"

by Neifi Puppy on Aug 6, 2007 9:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah
I heard that. As if ESPN is doing us a favor by broadcasting our quaint park in HD.

Normally, I can stomach those two, but last night I had a belly full.

Al, if I were a gambling man -- well, hell, I am, I would guess the word "Glavine" was said over 500 times last night. I bet his family -- wife, children, mom, and dad -- all told had about 30 minutes of air time. There was one point where in between EVERY PITCH it would switch to a camera on them.

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My friend
My friend was expecting to see an exclusive interview with Glavine's dog done through an interpreter.
I just want the Cubs to top the Bears NFC Title Game as my highlight of the year.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 6, 2007 1:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Favorite Jon Miller moment:
He calls Derrek lee "Carlos Lee," the corrects himself, saying that Carlos Lee plays just up north, for the Brewers. Ye gods. Morgan and mIller might be the most vacuous announcing duo this side of Stockton and Baldinger.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, haha
This was a good one too. Thanks to Aaron for posting this in the game thread:

ESPN had this on their front page of the web site during the 7th inning of the ball game when it was 5-1, and then we scored 2. I really wanted to win that one just for that reason alone. Can you find where they may have jumped the gun a bit?

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Those two are the absolute worst
duo I've ever heard. Morgan is a known Cubs hater, and Miller is a few sandwiches short of a picnic. ESPN on the whole pretty much sucks for us Chicagoans. Even during Bears season, we have to listen to that known Bears hater Theisman.
"We've got Wood!"

by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 11:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Switched to radio support
After a few innings of the the dynamic duo on ESPN, I had to shut off the sound and put on WGN gameday audio despite the delay.  You know my picture last night was even worse that usual.  I can't fathom how ESPN retains these two year in and year out for this long.  I guess Pat and Ron would be too expensive.

by Cajuncub on Aug 6, 2007 12:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I usually...
 try to stay off the fire Joe Morgan bandwagon, but last night was just too much. Is Marquis a good hitter, or isn't he? And how does that change within one at-bat? Carlos Lee back in Milwaukee? Luis Castillo was a career Twin? Huh? It's harder to bunt a high fastball than a low one? Since when?

  If the casual fan can't tune into a program and expect to get accurate basic facts, it's time for you to change your broadcasters.

by Damen Jackson on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Izturis
Heck, one of the first comments Morgan made during the Cubs lineup announcement was something to the effect of Izturis being on the bench (still) because Theriot won his job.

by rgonzale on Aug 6, 2007 12:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah,
I just said that about 10 minutes ago. Read up, my man!

Y'know, having moved out of Chicago several years ago, there's nowhere to get good sports programming anymore. ESPN, as we all know, is a poor excuse for a sports station. They are MTV now; it's all about the entertainment and the spectacle, less about the games, the action. I live in Michigan, so I can't even indulge in Comcast Sportsnet or whatever, because for me it's all Tigers and Lions and Red Wings. Yikes!

I really miss the days, y'know, back in the 80s, when you could watch a sports report and see a ton of highlights from the days games with no BS, overstory, or even a point of view hammered into you. I can't imagine most sports fans wanting what ESPN is dishing out.

"Mine, mine, says the squirrel to the transformer, unclear on the capacities of electricity." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 12:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Those were the good ol' days
When Stuart Scott wasn't injecting each highlight with his fake urbanisms.

Impression time! You guess who this is:

"V-Guerrero, GET AT ME DAWG!!!! He's all swole up with his 23rd jack of the season"

<left eye drifts off about 2 inches to the left>

"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural." -- Harry Caray

by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't tune in until the 6th...
...but I did catch Miller's comment about "all the classy Cubs fans cheering for Tom Glavine", and Morgan replying with a condescending chuckle -- "Well, they need SOMETHING to cheer about!"
And PRINT it!

by SilkyD on Aug 6, 2007 9:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That said...
Listening to the game on the radio, and then watching it when I finally go home, you never really got the sense the Cubs were in the game. Marquis just doesn't have any presence out there on the mound. Neither does Ohman. I think that is what is killing Hill, Marquis, Ohman, Dempster and Wuertz. When they get out there they don't carry themselves like they are winners. They go out there like a camel needing one more straw to break his back, whether that straw be a boarderline call they don't get or a home run they give up. Of course, this presence isn't everything, as we've seen with Marshall. You not only have to carry yourself like a winner, you have to pitch and battle like one, and as of right now those 5 pitchers just aren't battling.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

by cajuncubbie on Aug 6, 2007 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree
Paraphrasing K. Costner in Bull Durham,  several of our pitchers "have million dollar arms and 10 cent heads".

Marquis inability to finish innings is exasperating.  But he certaintly isn't the only Cubs hurler guilty of this problem.  How many times lately have we gotten two quick outs only to then see our pitchers unable to get off the mound until after runs are scored and their pitch count balloons?

by wrigley1 on Aug 6, 2007 11:45 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was at the game last nite....
....and the only time I really felt we were in it was during the bottom of the 7th when we cut the lead to two runs.  Unfortunately, Ohman couldn't keep us close....

by cubboy89 on Aug 6, 2007 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love Me Joe Morgan
What a clown..... he said a couple of times Castillo was not familar with Wrigley since he was a Minn Twin in the AL  .....  Who did he think the Castillo was that was playing 2nd
base for the Marlins every time they visted
Wrigley ????????????????????

by FlaCub on Aug 6, 2007 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Morgan
"It's not the wind -- the ball always moves back to the left in right field at Wrigley.  The wind always blows it back that way." Joe Morgan, last night.

by cajuncubbie on Aug 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT   0 recs

Wow.
That makes absolutely no sense.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Welcome to Joe Morgan's world...
try reading his chats online.  It's a bunch of incoherent rambling and contradictions.  And he NEVER actually analyzes anything.  He's just a worthless employee of ESPN at this point.

by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah yes
One of my favorite websites, which I'm sure you've all seen.

firejoemorgan.com

Every single chat seriously blows my mind. And not in a good way.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh yeah, my other favorite
I think on that same play he was saying that Castillo was having trouble with the wind last night because he had played in the American League and people over there don't have that kind of wind. Nevermind that he spent almost his entire career in the NL with Florida. Joe doesn't let such silly things as facts get in the way of what he thinks.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Guys like
Morgan and McCarver are hired for one reason: their voice. It's unfortunate that both of them were blessed with first-class announcing voices, yet posess pigeon-level intellect.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Voice?
Morgan sounds like a drunk. I haven't put myself through a McCarver broadcast in a long while.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Moments of Truth
With Soriano out we'll get a chance to see what our team is made of.  The psychological impact is probably worse.   Yet, this incident could also set a few players on fire.  Murton wanted a chance and he's gonna get it. D-Lee has his leadership role returned to him. Floyd has to produce along with JJ.  Any word on Ward ?  With Wood back will Marmol move to closer and Dempster back to starting such that was rumored earlier in the year?  I keep thinking about what is going through Lou's head right now.   One thing is for sure, I don't get the impression he's giving up.

by coral on Aug 6, 2007 9:06 AM CDT   0 recs

concerned
I am more concerned about Marquis and pitching than with Soriano being out. I feel like Soriano hasn't really been contributing a whole lot anyway the last month. I am more worried that Marquis keeps getting knocked around. And Hill. Zambarno and Lilly are machines and Sean marshall is better than his stats show.

I think the Cubs need to focus on getting a long relief guy or going out and picking up another starter.

by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can usually stomach Joe Morgan
But the ESPN crew hit a new all-time low last night.  Very little game action.  The amount of camera time to what was happening on the field could not have been much more than 50%.  No talk about the Cubs, except as a sidenote.  You'd think that the Mets were playing themselves.  A lot of discussion on the fantastic New York Mets, Glavine, Glavine's wife (a lot of nice shots of her which were btw nice on the eyes), two hundred shots of Glavine's kids, three hundred shots of Glavine's parents, a boring and too-long phone call with John Smoltz of the Braves, talk of Joe Morgan's fantastic big league history, discussion of who Joe Morgan played with and against during his rookie season, yada yada yada.  I had to turn off the sound, something which I never do.

by zevkalman on Aug 6, 2007 9:06 AM CDT   0 recs

No offense...
but the 300-win thing is a much bigger deal than the game itself.  I'd be the vast majority of people watching the game were watching to see Glavine's 300th win, not to see if the Cubs or Mets would win the game.

ESPN was just guiding their coverage toward what the majority would want.  Sucks for us, but that's the way the media works.  "300 wins" is a huge story.  "Mets win a game" or "Cubs win a game" isn't really that important.

by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Makes sense.....
Gearing your coverage towards what the fans want makes sense. Seems pretty "Now."

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:13 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

"Now"
LOL
"Dad gum right this games gonna be played under protest. . . I guarantee this is gonna be one protest that's upheld." --Hawk Harrelson, 6/24/07

by RynoHoF on Aug 6, 2007 9:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha
glad someone got that.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True
But ESPN takes it too far.  They hit you over the head with their prepackaged story to the detriment of the live action on the field.  Their Ombudsman wrote a pretty good article about this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=2897260

by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point...
that's very media-like, wringing every last drop of sentiment out of the event into their coverage.

It doesn't help that Joe Morgan did the game.  I'm pretty sure he doesn't even watch the games he's broadcasting at this point.

by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
That ombudsman (actually woman) should really run that company. I don't know when exactly it started, but I can't take that network anymore. I know that "Who's Now?" was really the kicker for me as to when it was too much, but watching SportsCenter used to be a ritual for me before/after class when I was in school and now after work since I graduated. I'd rather watch the Comcast recaps now. It's seriously unbearable.

by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sportscenter, Baseball Tonight, etc...
all used to be worthwhile shows.  For some reason (probably the explosion of the internet) ESPN went away from presenting the stories and fully to fluff pieces and "analysis" of the stories.

by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Very seldom
do I watch SportsCenter. Since my favorite teams are in Chicago I watch CSN most of the time.
I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Same here...
I haven't watched SportsCenter in years.  CSN is clearly a better option.  Heck, I don't even watch ESPN unless a Cubs game is on.

by Neifi Puppy on Aug 6, 2007 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

More like, "Who's Jumped the Shark"?
And the answer, of course, would be Sportscenter.

I travel a lot for work, and Sportscenter used to be the first thing I'd try to find on my hotel TV. But this "Who's Now" crap takes the concept of witless filler to a whole new level, and I feel like I'm rapidly losing brain cells every time I watch the show. Who's (not watching) now? Um, that would be me...

And PRINT it!

by SilkyD on Aug 6, 2007 10:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

celebs
I watched Sportscenter last week they did this little Celeb spotting type thing talking about Tony Parker and Eva Longoria going to soem movie premier, Beckham and Posh gong shopping, and Mia Hamm and Nomar teaching soccer to some kids. It was like i was watching Extra or E! News or some crap.

by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That 's a wonderful column ...
And enough said.

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I was disappointed
in Marquis last night. The thought of him starting ten or so more times this season gives me hives. Ohman makes me nauseous. I don't understand why Lou leaves him in there when he obviously doesn't have it.

One thing I have noticed about this team this year is when there is an injury the others step up and they go on. I don't think they will miss Soriano much. I hope Murton gets a chance to play in left field.

It was nice to see Wood get the ovations he got last night. It would have been nice to have CSN or WGN do the game. At least they would have known the ovation was for Wood and not for Glavine.

I have been a big supporter of Len & Bob all season and after having to listen to ESPN last night I appreciate L&B so much. If either of you are reading this site I love you guys.

I love this team!!!!!

by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 9:18 AM CDT   0 recs

Sue ...
I'm in agreement with you about Marquis.  I can well see how he was left off the Cardinals' WS roster last year.  People can spin it all they want, but he has just sucked of late.  The ASB seems to close the season on him ...

--t.

"One of the worst writers on this board: !Neifi! didn't do it, honest."

by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa!!!!!!!
Come on Al!  You won't miss him?  Even if he is slumping (post All Star Game), he is better than ANY OTHER option this team has.  Curious:  If you think you won't miss him how does the rest of the contract make you feel?

As for a replacement, Cruz Jr. could work.  IMHO, the best option is through waivers IF a player reaches the Cubs.  Again, I still do not believe Hendry has the authority to add payroll, which would kill any deal before it starts......

RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Aug 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT   0 recs

Hey timeforachange...
Regarding your sig line, kerrysotherwife has come back as cubstoseriesby100. Check out her latest diary here.
Brew Crew: We have arrived -- now step aside.

by dat cubfan daver on Aug 6, 2007 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LMAO!!!!!!!!!
After almost a month away from this site, I was hoping she would come back.  Hate speech I say, hate speech...........
RIP kerrysotherwife!!!!

by timeforachange on Aug 6, 2007 7:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm hoping
we get to see what a month of Theriot and Fontenot going 1-2 in the lineup looks like...a contemporary Daily Double? I'd also like to see a bit of Murton in the two-hole vs. LHP. If he can get back to making contact, he types as a nice no. 2 hitter, IMO.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

Well
A very poor man's Daily Double.  Those guys are fine but neither of them can hit like Sandberg, neither can run like Dernier, let alone Sandberg, and while Theriot is having a good run at SS, Fontenot certainly can't be mistaken for Sandberg at 2B.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Aug 6, 2007 9:56 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

True.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

1-2
With Fontenot's promblem with lefties and Theriot's with righties, you would be guaranteeing a bad match up every day with one of your top two.  I think the Cubbies should consider swapping each of them in the leadoff spot depending on matchup, and having DeRosa in the 2 hole.  He needs to get a chance at more ABs.  

If Kendall continues to improve, he could be a great candidate as well.

by californiachicagoan on Aug 6, 2007 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Just some optimism
Agreed that losing Soriano is a huge blow, but this will allow others to step it up a little. Hopefull Pie will be recalled (a no-brainer) and the other OF's will get an opportunity to play.

by crw89 on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

So if that's the plan...
...can we send Murton back down to Iowa and get the 13 man bullpen we so desperately need?

And I really wish I knew how serious I was about that idea.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:25 AM CDT   0 recs

Murton
Murton's 3 for 11 since being recalled with 2 walks.   And he's 2 for 4 in the only game that he started?   If he doesn't get the playing time he can't put up the numbers.   He was one of the hotest hitters  with power at Iowa at the time of the recall.  Its time to give him a real shot with Soriano down (and his "natural" position of LF being available.)

by frustratedfan on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Witness to History
Actually, you were the one who said that you wanted to see history over a Cub win when you started cheering for the no-no against the Cubs a few years back.  I just called you out on that.

As to "weak mental makeup," what would you say is the cause for a guy who allows his position in the field and batting order affect his approach at the plate?

But, thanks for the kudos.  Soriano wasn't that much of a halp to the Cubs in any month other than June.  His absense won't hurt them.  This is likely the final nail in the "Jim Hendry Incompetance" coffin as, if the team does better with Pie, Theriot and Fontenot, what the hell did they need to give Soriano, Jones and DeRosa big bucks?

by Ivychat on Aug 6, 2007 9:26 AM CDT   0 recs

I figured you might show up.
I never said I'd rather see a no-hitter than a Cubs win. I did say that in a game that the Cubs were trailing 7-0 in the second inning that it might have been interesting to see that loss, which was pretty much in the books by then, be something historic. Here's the post in question, for those of you who missed this little tiff.

There's a difference. You "called me out" on something I didn't say.

I wonder if Soriano would be hitting any differently if he were hitting fifth. You might say he'd have more RBI, but it seems to me he's come up many times with RISP and failed this year, even batting first. His BA is above his career average and his OPS of .847 is above his career OPS of .837. But he just doesn't seem to be having a very good year.

Chuck, nice to see you here, really. You and I agree more than we disagree, I've discovered. C'mon back out to the bleachers soon.

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by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Soriano did not have a particularly...
...impressive July, going .265/.276/.425. That's not great but not horrible, and one of the few sources of isolated power on this team. Still, you get the feeling -- especially after last night's injury -- that he could have used a day off or so. Hindsight is 20/20, though, so I don't know how much I blame Lou.
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by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Whoa.
Derosa has been huge for this team. His versatiility alone has covered a multitude of wrongs. As big as the hole in RF is, imagine it w/o Derosa on this team. Perhaps Soriano and Jones were bad deals (though for Soriano's deal it's too early to gauge, IMO), but Derosa's has looked like a bargain to this point. Moreover, it's good for guys like Theriot and Fontenot to be exposed to guys like Derosa, a team-oriented, do-you-job type of guy will be a good influence on these guys going forward.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:37 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A little over-zealous
Al, I agree (stated in the Soriano Down thread) that I've been very underwhelmed by Soriano in recent weeks. And other than the single against the Rockies, I can't recall a single hit by Soriano that came at an absolute clutch time. He's got 42 RBI, I know he's the leadoff guy, but for his pricetag, that kind of production is pretty bad.

But to say that the Cubs won't miss him is a bit much. As sad as it is, his 18 HRs lead the team. He was finally starting to steal some bases and he saves some runs with his arm in LF. I'm not heartbroken, and I think that the only way that this team stumbles is if they lose their confidence after seeing him go down.

However, I look forward to having a guy with a better than .336 OBP at the top of the order for a change (wasn't Pierre's OBP in this range last year?). And Theriot at the top will still steal some bases, and he can actually work the count and give the team a good look at the stuff the pitcher has on the day.

Losing Soriano shouldn't spell the end of the season, I don't actually consider him to be a big impact player for the team. I'll take his solo homers, but would much rather see some big knocks with guys on base (homers or not) as opposed to the strikeouts that I've become accustomed to seeing. But it's not as though the team will be able to just shrug this off. He is still Alfonso Soriano, and he is still a presence in the box, even if we've been underwhelmed by his prodution thus far.

by WittyUserName on Aug 6, 2007 9:30 AM CDT   0 recs

Would it be too crazy of an idea...
... to hit Derrek Lee in the leadoff spot while Soriano is out?

Lee's not hitting for much power and he has a .414 OBA.

Thoughts?

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by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Another wacky idea.
Jason Kendall now has a .365 OBA as a Cub in 45 AB. He used to hit leadoff occasionally for the Pirates.

What about that idea?

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by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like Theriot
in the leadoff spot much better, but it might be worth trying Kendall up there while he's hot...
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about...
... Theriot leading off and Kendall hitting 2nd?
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by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I like it.
Especially the way Kendall's been hitting. I'd like to see Lou try some different things in that 2-hole, maybe try Murton and Fontenot there, was well. I think Sori's injury is going to give Lou a chance to really mix it up.
"One thing you learn as a Cubs fan: When you bought your ticket, you could bank on seeing the bottom of the ninth." - Joe Garagiola

by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs