Witness To History, Part Deux
This is history that, frankly, I'd rather Tom Glavine had waited till his next start to make, since in notching his 300th career win, it meant a Cub loss, 8-3 to the Mets last night, and despite the comments of Chuck at Ivy Chat in the past that I'd rather see history than a Cubs win, that's simply not true, particularly now, when every win is critical in a pennant race. In fact, with storms ripping through parts of the Chicago area last night, it might have been better had this one been rained out.
Incidentally, I find myself in agreement with Chuck this morning (yes, I know you're gasping). Chuck wrote of the scary-looking right quad injury to Alfonso Soriano which is apparently going to keep him out from 2-4 weeks:
Chuck's got it pretty much nailed here. I'm not sure I agree with "weak mental makeup", but Soriano doesn't approach at-bats well, and is one of the streakiest hitters I've ever seen in a Cub uniform. When he's going well -- as he was during the month of June, when he hit .336/.379/.697 with 11 HR in 28 games -- he can help carry a team. But when he's cold -- and since the All-Star break he's hitting .255/.277/.439 with 3 HR in 23 games -- he can drag a team down. Dave and I have discussed this quite a bit in the bleachers all season, how Soriano has almost never -- save that game-winning single he had against the Rockies on June 25 -- had a hit in a key situation all season.
So apart from the little bunny hop he makes before every routine catch in left field, will the Cubs miss him? I say no. The obvious move is to recall Felix Pie, shift Cliff Floyd back to LF, and have Jacque Jones and Mark DeRosa split time in RF (with DeRosa and Mike Fontenot splitting time at 2B). This won't help the defense much (except for the huge upgrade in CF with Pie), but most of us have noted the big boost in energy the Cubs have received each time Pie has been added to the roster. It may be a coincidence, but the Cubs' record in games in which Pie has appeared is 32-16, and 26-36 in all other games.
So this move ought to be a no-brainer today -- Soriano to the DL, Pie recalled. And one more move I'd make -- sign Jose Cruz Jr., who was waived by the Padres on August 1. His batting numbers were depressed by having Petco Park as his home park, and he has always hit LHP well (.276/.360/.464 lifetime). He could spell Floyd in LF or Jones in RF, and would give Lou a switch-hitting pinch-hit option.
About the two other significant events last night; first, Tom Glavine's 300th win. People are saying, again, that Glavine will be the "last" 300-game winner. "People" said this more than forty years ago after Early Wynn won his 300th game. There weren't any after that for a while, but Glavine is now the ninth pitcher to notch 300 wins since Wynn. It's an odd milestone in this sense -- the player accomplishing it doesn't necessarily have to be on the field when it happens, unlike a 3000th hit or 500th HR, and Glavine wasn't (and neither was Greg Maddux three years ago in San Francisco). The remnants of the Wrigley Field crowd (many of whom left after Will Ohman turned a still-close 5-3 game into a 7-3 game, and still more left when DeRosa accidentally hit plate umpire Marty Foster on a swing, causing a delay of a few minutes), a fair number of whom were Mets fans but also the Cub fans in attendance, gave Glavine a warm ovation after the last out, when he and his teammates celebrated on the field. I've now seen two of these (this one and Maddux', and I know Jeff and Jessica, who were both in SF in 2004 for Maddux', can say the same, but how many other fans can say this?) and despite the fact that I'd rather the Cubs had won, I was glad to have been a witness to this historic event.
The other significant event last night was the return to the mound of Kerry Wood for the first time in fourteen months. He got three ovations -- the first for warming up, the second when he trotted in from the bullpen (after everyone made sure it wasn't Bob Howry again), and another when his name was announced. Wood threw a scoreless inning, though I'd be less than truthful if I said it was "triumphant". His velocity was good, but he didn't have total command -- he went to a full count twice, and gave up a hit, throwing 8 strikes among his 14 pitches. That said, it was a good thing for him to get this first appearance out of the way and now he can move on to being a productive member of the bullpen.
Which is more than I can say for Will Ohman, who stunk again last night. Suddenly, Scott Eyre, who again had a scoreless appearance last night (the two walks were intentional), is the most effective lefty out of the pen.
This is what this club has done the last two months -- someone fails, someone else picks him up. It wasn't enough to win last night's game, but since the Brewers lost in a spectacular meltdown to the Phillies, blowing a 5-run 9th-inning lead, the Cubs remain only a game out of first place, going on the road on the same trip as Milwaukee (trading off opponents Houston and Colorado) where they've played well and the Brewers haven't.
Incidentally, the Cubs' +54 run differential is tied for best in the NL with San Diego, and despite the 36-21 run since June 2, the Cubs are still underperforming their Pythagorean projection by three games (should be 61-49 based on that).
So I'm still cautiously optimistic, but there's one important thing that still must be addressed: starting pitching, which seemed such a strength a month ago, is now shaky. Jason Marquis was mediocre last night -- he was getting the ground balls he needs to succeed, but they were all getting through for hits -- and with Rich Hill and Sean Marshall also shaky the last month, that leaves the Cubs with only two reliable, consistent, every-time-out starters. That's not enough. If there's a starting pitcher out there who's available at not too high a cost, the Cubs should make an effort to go get him.
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At least....
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We were thinking about...
What time was that, anyway?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too True
I didn't hear a lot come out of Joe's mouth about how bad the Cubs were last night. They were too captivated with every single movement Tom's parents or wife made. Of course, Joe would actually have to watch and comment on the game to say how bad Marquis really looked last night. Joe doesn't actually have to watch the game to say his completely neutral "opinion." The man makes Brenly look like an activist.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably
Also Al, you may be interested...I wrote a recap on the ESPN announcing here for those who missed the game on TV.
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Tom Glavine mentioned?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played last night?
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you hear John Miller
To which I just have to say "um...ya' think?"
by Neifi Puppy on Aug 6, 2007 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Normally, I can stomach those two, but last night I had a belly full.
Al, if I were a gambling man -- well, hell, I am, I would guess the word "Glavine" was said over 500 times last night. I bet his family -- wife, children, mom, and dad -- all told had about 30 minutes of air time. There was one point where in between EVERY PITCH it would switch to a camera on them.
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 6, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Favorite Jon Miller moment:
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, haha
ESPN had this on their front page of the web site during the 7th inning of the ball game when it was 5-1, and then we scored 2. I really wanted to win that one just for that reason alone. Can you find where they may have jumped the gun a bit?
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two are the absolute worst
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Switched to radio support
by Cajuncub on Aug 6, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I usually...
If the casual fan can't tune into a program and expect to get accurate basic facts, it's time for you to change your broadcasters.
by Damen Jackson on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis
by rgonzale on Aug 6, 2007 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
Y'know, having moved out of Chicago several years ago, there's nowhere to get good sports programming anymore. ESPN, as we all know, is a poor excuse for a sports station. They are MTV now; it's all about the entertainment and the spectacle, less about the games, the action. I live in Michigan, so I can't even indulge in Comcast Sportsnet or whatever, because for me it's all Tigers and Lions and Red Wings. Yikes!
I really miss the days, y'know, back in the 80s, when you could watch a sports report and see a ton of highlights from the days games with no BS, overstory, or even a point of view hammered into you. I can't imagine most sports fans wanting what ESPN is dishing out.
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those were the good ol' days
Impression time! You guess who this is:
"V-Guerrero, GET AT ME DAWG!!!! He's all swole up with his 23rd jack of the season"
<left eye drifts off about 2 inches to the left>
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't tune in until the 6th...
by SilkyD on Aug 6, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said...
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Marquis inability to finish innings is exasperating. But he certaintly isn't the only Cubs hurler guilty of this problem. How many times lately have we gotten two quick outs only to then see our pitchers unable to get off the mound until after runs are scored and their pitch count balloons?
by wrigley1 on Aug 6, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game last nite....
by cubboy89 on Aug 6, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Me Joe Morgan
base for the Marlins every time they visted
Wrigley ????????????????????
by FlaCub on Aug 6, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan
by cajuncubbie on Aug 6, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to Joe Morgan's world...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes
firejoemorgan.com
Every single chat seriously blows my mind. And not in a good way.
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah, my other favorite
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys like
by Matt Allison on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voice?
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moments of Truth
by coral on Aug 6, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
concerned
I think the Cubs need to focus on getting a long relief guy or going out and picking up another starter.
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can usually stomach Joe Morgan
by zevkalman on Aug 6, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense...
ESPN was just guiding their coverage toward what the majority would want. Sucks for us, but that's the way the media works. "300 wins" is a huge story. "Mets win a game" or "Cubs win a game" isn't really that important.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense.....
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=schreiber_leanne&id=2897260
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
It doesn't help that Joe Morgan did the game. I'm pretty sure he doesn't even watch the games he's broadcasting at this point.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sportscenter, Baseball Tonight, etc...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very seldom
by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here...
by Neifi Puppy on Aug 6, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like, "Who's Jumped the Shark"?
I travel a lot for work, and Sportscenter used to be the first thing I'd try to find on my hotel TV. But this "Who's Now" crap takes the concept of witless filler to a whole new level, and I feel like I'm rapidly losing brain cells every time I watch the show. Who's (not watching) now? Um, that would be me...
by SilkyD on Aug 6, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
celebs
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 's a wonderful column ...
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was disappointed
One thing I have noticed about this team this year is when there is an injury the others step up and they go on. I don't think they will miss Soriano much. I hope Murton gets a chance to play in left field.
It was nice to see Wood get the ovations he got last night. It would have been nice to have CSN or WGN do the game. At least they would have known the ovation was for Wood and not for Glavine.
I have been a big supporter of Len & Bob all season and after having to listen to ESPN last night I appreciate L&B so much. If either of you are reading this site I love you guys.
by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sue ...
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa!!!!!!!
As for a replacement, Cruz Jr. could work. IMHO, the best option is through waivers IF a player reaches the Cubs. Again, I still do not believe Hendry has the authority to add payroll, which would kill any deal before it starts......
by timeforachange on Aug 6, 2007 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey timeforachange...
by dat cubfan daver on Aug 6, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMAO!!!!!!!!!
by timeforachange on Aug 6, 2007 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
by krummy12 on Aug 6, 2007 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-2
If Kendall continues to improve, he could be a great candidate as well.
by californiachicagoan on Aug 6, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just some optimism
by crw89 on Aug 6, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So if that's the plan...
And I really wish I knew how serious I was about that idea.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murton
by frustratedfan on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witness to History
As to "weak mental makeup," what would you say is the cause for a guy who allows his position in the field and batting order affect his approach at the plate?
But, thanks for the kudos. Soriano wasn't that much of a halp to the Cubs in any month other than June. His absense won't hurt them. This is likely the final nail in the "Jim Hendry Incompetance" coffin as, if the team does better with Pie, Theriot and Fontenot, what the hell did they need to give Soriano, Jones and DeRosa big bucks?
by Ivychat on Aug 6, 2007 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I figured you might show up.
There's a difference. You "called me out" on something I didn't say.
I wonder if Soriano would be hitting any differently if he were hitting fifth. You might say he'd have more RBI, but it seems to me he's come up many times with RISP and failed this year, even batting first. His BA is above his career average and his OPS of .847 is above his career OPS of .837. But he just doesn't seem to be having a very good year.
Chuck, nice to see you here, really. You and I agree more than we disagree, I've discovered. C'mon back out to the bleachers soon.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano did not have a particularly...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa.
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little over-zealous
But to say that the Cubs won't miss him is a bit much. As sad as it is, his 18 HRs lead the team. He was finally starting to steal some bases and he saves some runs with his arm in LF. I'm not heartbroken, and I think that the only way that this team stumbles is if they lose their confidence after seeing him go down.
However, I look forward to having a guy with a better than .336 OBP at the top of the order for a change (wasn't Pierre's OBP in this range last year?). And Theriot at the top will still steal some bases, and he can actually work the count and give the team a good look at the stuff the pitcher has on the day.
Losing Soriano shouldn't spell the end of the season, I don't actually consider him to be a big impact player for the team. I'll take his solo homers, but would much rather see some big knocks with guys on base (homers or not) as opposed to the strikeouts that I've become accustomed to seeing. But it's not as though the team will be able to just shrug this off. He is still Alfonso Soriano, and he is still a presence in the box, even if we've been underwhelmed by his prodution thus far.
by WittyUserName on Aug 6, 2007 9:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would it be too crazy of an idea...
Lee's not hitting for much power and he has a .414 OBA.
Thoughts?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another wacky idea.
What about that idea?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Theriot
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it.
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing we do know is...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank Goodness!
Gotta have a hit and run combination out of the one and two men in the line-up. Theriot and someone who makes a lot of contact. In the past, relying on Soriano's big bat has been just nuts.
I like the idea of small ball.
--t.
by Littlerock Rynofan on Aug 6, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me and my slow typing...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's just me...
by Damen Jackson on Aug 6, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
by jshipp on Aug 6, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this idea.
To your previous idea, Lee is actually better suited at number 2, leadoff would put the team in a difficult spot with Ramirez being the only "true" power hitter.
by HIGGY on Aug 6, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
The tough spot to figure out is the 2 spot. The list is pretty much: DeRosa, Fontenot, Kendall, and maybe Murton. Murton isn't one of Lou's favorites so he's probably out. I don't really like the idea of DeRosa in the OF regularly, he should be at 2B, so that kind of bumps Fontenot out as he only plays 2B.
The leaves DeRosa and Kendall as solid #2 options for us. I like DeRosa hitting 6th and getting RBI chances, but I'd also like him hitting second. Kendall is a good OBP and contact guy, which is great for #2, but he's not exactly fast, which is an asset to have at the top of the order.
I guess I'd lean towards a lineup of:
1.Theriot SS
- Kendall C
- Lee 1B
- Ramirez 3B
- Floyd LF
- DeRosa 2B
- Jones/Murton RF
- Pie CF
by WittyUserName on Aug 6, 2007 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other option
- Theriot SS
- Murton RF or DeRosa 2B
- Lee 1B
- Ramirez 3B
- Floyd LF
- DeRosa 2B or Murton RF
- Jones CF
- Kendall C
by WittyUserName on Aug 6, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to quote Dusty
This is tabletop baseball, but back when I played a lot in the 1980s, someone (sometimes even me!) would always come up with the idea to bat Mike Scioscia leadoff. Good OBP, makes contact. The problem was that Scioscia was so damn slow that it took three singles to get him home. If he was on third, he wasn't going to score on a sac fly. And if anyone after Mike hit a hard grounder, Mike wasn't going to break it up at second.
When Kendall was younger, I think he had enough speed to make it work. Now he's Mike Scioscia running around the bases.
by Josh77 on Aug 6, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea...
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not too crazy...
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not crazy, but...
Lee has been hitting for more power lately, and we are short on players with power.
I think I'd go with Theriot in the leadoff spot. He's patient at the plate and has a solid OBP (better than Soriano, actually). He's nothing spectacular, but I think he can handle that role.
In the #2 spot, there are a few options, although none are very exciting. Fontenot or DeRosa could do it, and scarily enough even Kendall, who's been decent at the plate lately (11-30, 4 BB in his last 9 games), could be a short-term fill-in there. And then we keep the #3 and #4 hitters in place.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on Where DeRosa Plays
If he's at 2B then he should hit 2nd. If he's at 3B, he's probably spelling Aram - he should hit 5th.
If he's in RF, he's probably spelling Floyd or Lou wants to stack the lineup with righties vs. a Lefty - he should probably hit 2nd, 5th, or 6th.
Don't know about anyone else (and I like Fontenot just fine) but I'd rather see DeRosa in the infield a lot more for his solid glove work. Of course that makes Fonty odd man out except when DeRosa plays 3B but so be it.
If the Cubs are going to pick up the slack without adding a bat, then they should stack their infield and outfield with the best possible defenders that they have.
by BJ Simpson on Aug 6, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is very streaky...
by WartburgCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any hope of recalling Soto?
Soto continued his tear in Iowa last night, going 3-5 with a HR, 4 RBI and 2 runs. His season line is now .345/.417/.631 with 19 HR and 76 RBI.
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its absolutely
you have a CATCHER with 19 jacks in triple a with the season still going on, how do you not try to tap that offensive output for the big club?
by kylejo on Aug 6, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting pitching...
That being said, I'd be interested to see the Cubs call up Gallagher as a temporary 6th starter - leave Z and Lilly pitch on their normal rest, but slot Gallagher in with Hill/Marquis/Marshall to give those guys some extra rest and save their arms. I'm thinking a little extra rest for the starters here and there would be beneficial, even if it means carrying 13 pitchers for awhile (maybe for the month that Soriano is out?)
Come to think of it, that's exactly what I'd do: call up Gallagher with Soriano on the DL. Give Floyd/Murton LF, play Pagan/Jones in CF, and platoon Jones/DeRosa in RF. Go with a short bench (Cedeno, Murton, Pagan, Hill) for two weeks, and see if we can rest our arms a little bit.
by Chadnudj on Aug 6, 2007 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's ...
If the pitching staff keeps failing like this, you could find yourself without any pinch-hitters in the 8th and 9th innings when you really need them.
I'm not crazy about the 12-man staff. A 13-man pitching staff ... wow, no way, IMO.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although Zambrano could be considered another
by zevkalman on Aug 6, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano...
Marquis is a better contact hitter.
But do you really want them on the bench as PH options in every game they don't start? That's asking a lot.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gallagher
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure Gallagher...
Clearly, though, Marquis is a problem at this point. He's not providing much quality in the rotation. He's gotten worse each month, and has just 2 solid starts in his last 13 appearances.
It may be worth a shot to give Gallagher a chance (as we don't have any other alternatives). I'm just not very confident that Gallagher will provide us much more than Marquis at this point.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight
The result of that game of course was Ryan O'Malley making a spectacular major league debut and Michael Barrett providing the only run of the game, a left field home run.
Here's to making Wandy Rodriguez look like Jason Jennings!!!
by sanantonecub on Aug 6, 2007 9:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will do
by sanantonecub on Aug 6, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets see now
OhMan - Point taken.
Dempster - Lately, point taken. However, I still have faith in him. He's still pitched overall a good season.
At the same time though, Jason Jennings is currently the only pitcher to of given up 11 runs in two outs...
by sanantonecub on Aug 6, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wrong with last night?
June: 5.09
July: 6.29
August (1 start): 8.44
Not one of those months is acceptable, and they are trending in the wrong direction. The only reason his season doesn't look awful is because of what he did 3 months ago.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd call up
by Clark Addison on Aug 6, 2007 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hill...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure he wouldn't clear waivers...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But with the bench such as it is...
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't normally use your backup C...
I'm not saying Soto isn't a better option than Hill. I just doubt that Lou will rock the boat and get rid of Hill as a backup catcher.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So that means...
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know who'd claim him...
This isn't idle speculation on my part, either. The Yankees DFA'd Wil Nieves after he hit .164/.190/.230 on the year and they were able to trade for something better. Nieves cleared waivers and is playing in Scranton right now. I don't see how Koyie Hill is anything radically better than Nieves, such that we'd lose him to a waiver claim.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
by BJ Simpson on Aug 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they usually wait
by jshipp on Aug 6, 2007 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That depends...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohman
by zevkalman on Aug 6, 2007 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that suprised
by hawkeyenation on Aug 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohman - Lefties only!
He should have put Wuertz in to face Castillo and Wright, and then Ohman for Delgado.
by californiachicagoan on Aug 6, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Witness...BLECH!
I have been asked in the past that if the Cubs are losing and there is a perfect game being thrown, wouldn't you like to see "history"? I say a resounding NO! I root for the Cubs and I always hope the other team is terrible. I don't ever want to see "history" at the expense of the Cubs. In the 40 years I have been going to games, I have always felt this way and I will not change my feelings on this.
I did not stand to give Glavine an ovation when he walked off the field...hell, thats the pitcher who was shutting down the Cubs. I left after the ump was hit because a)I had a very long ride home and I get up very early and b)who needs to see the Mets of all teams celebrate on our field. So I say, witness to history??? Count me among the ones who were upset to see it happen at Wrigley last night.
Kasey
by kaseyi on Aug 6, 2007 9:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there is anything wrong
However, that doesn't mean you have to give him a cheery standing ovation like he just pitched the game for you. If I was at the ballpark, I would of stood to show respect when he was taken out of the game, and lightly clap after the game was over and the scoreboard flashed the news.
My college team, Nebraska, has a tradition that after every game, no matter the score, the stadium claps for the opposing team as they head off the field for the final time. Even if they beat us. I like this - during the game, boo all you want, yell profanities, get inside their head however you can, but after the game is over, show respect to them for being a worthy opponent, and if you see one of their fans, buy 'em a beer.
by sanantonecub on Aug 6, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Count me in
by billybuck on Aug 6, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling that Murton gets no playing time
Floyd LF
Pie CF
Jones RF
That really isn't a bad lineup really if all of those guys could start hitting for power (except Pie). I still think Murton should be platooning in both RF and LF if that is what will happen..
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
its funny
by kylejo on Aug 6, 2007 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eric patterson
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really now.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd fill the need for a leadoff man...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you pull a DeRosa with him...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this, of course....
I just hope nobody does a freakout if they see "Patterson, CF" in the leadoff spot in the lineup. Deja vu much?
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would be the point...
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou seems to have a very Earl Weaver-esque...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you provide the link?
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see this either.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's mentioned
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
patterson in cf
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What, like calling up Jake Fox...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by kylejo on Aug 6, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
truth be told
if patterson gets called-up and produces that's paramount to hurting pie's feelings.
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anything about Patterson
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eric Patterson is very different...
As far as tangibles go, he still has played mostly second base in AAA Iowa this year, but has experience in the outfield in left and center (I don't think he's played right field). He's a patient hitter, takes walks and has shown a decent amount of pop in the minors. He's mostly batted leadoff or second in AAA this year.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
link
...while top prospect Eric Patterson is expected to be recalled to replace an injured Alfonso Soriano.
that's the best i can offer.
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what another link there says...
That seems more logical to me.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I too
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kendall
avg. .301
OPB .370
Walks 39
K's 39
I can live with these numbers. He does something that Soriano doesn't do and thats take pitches, work the count, and walk more while striking out less.
by cubfaninSTL on Aug 6, 2007 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont follow the logic on Patterson?
by JB 23 on Aug 6, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe their thinking is
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling up Patterson?
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because he's a leadoff hitter...
And, as someone else pointed out, maybe Patterson isn't expected to play regularly, so he doesn't want to screw Pie up.
Or maybe he just wants to see what Patterson can do, having already seen what Pie can do.
There are lots of possible explanations.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that Lou/Hendry had a talk...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure thats probably right.
by jshipp on Aug 6, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
then again, if EPat comes up, plays decent defense and has a massive two weeks with the bat, I'll happily be wrong.
My guess is that Soriano will be out for 15, pinch hit for a few games, and then be back full time. Say what you will about the guy, he wants to play EVERY day.
by SouthsideCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what i saw last night.
why do we due poorly against lefties. well many that we have dont throw very hard. so why are we standing so far back in the box just helps to pitcher to get more late movement on the ball. next look at floyd and fontenot they basically stand in the vistors dugout when they hit against a lefty.
most good lefty hitters crowd the plate against a left handed hitter, as a lefty who pitched in college, i can tell you its as awkward for a pitcher to face a left hitter and it is for the batter. plus most lefties throw a ball that moves to the left, like a screw ball so it hard to throw inside to a lefty plus when throwing breaking stuff most again throw it so it curves into a right hander, its hard to start it at a left handed batter to break inside if a guy is crowding the plate, it just looks small to your eye.
most batters stand back in the box to get as much time to judge a pitch, if a guy is throwing 84/85 you have to move up a little to get your reaction time the same. most of the pitches we missed last night look like they needed a 9 iron to hit.
But then again it does help when the ump calls most every thing 6 inches off the plate, i almost got the feeling that he was wanting to part of the history as well, part of the reason he did not come out last night
by cubsfaninkc on Aug 6, 2007 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was sitting behind the plate last night
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
k zone
by cubsfaninkc on Aug 6, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pie
in an effort to alleviate some of the pressure to produce offensively, it wouldn't hurt lou to inform pie that what is required is for him to perform defensively...that's it.
at this point in his young career, the cubs have to ride-out pie's offensive struggles in the stead of giving him a 15-20 game opportunity only to send back to iowa. put pie in cf and keep him there for the forseeable future.
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones and Cliff Floyd...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily.
Jones might be dealable in the offseason.
Let's fix the here and now first.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but Soriano is going to...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.... but September is close
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't let the team play four outfielders.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb ballplayers
Kerry Wood looked great, but I think he needs to eat a few cheeseburgers.
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
patterson over pie, potentially
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
true
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Levine on AM 1000
--Soriano looking at a month on DL, maybe more
--Levine says E-Pat, not Pie being called up to play in the OF, not to play 2B
--Derosa likely to get bulk of RF playing time
--None of the Cubs options in RF have the "second gear" speed to get to balls in the gaps.
--Wavier deal unlikely because Levine says there's a lot of blocking going on right now. Apparently, the Orioles put Tejada on waviers, the Sox claimed him, but were blocked by someone.
--Gallagher Cubs' only option to add to the rotation. Says Hendry will try, but there are no starters to be had.
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Levine's always been right, right?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a tool...
by seang03 on Aug 6, 2007 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he's
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're referring to...
by seang03 on Aug 6, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
by seang03 on Aug 6, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that but
by Kornchex on Aug 6, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
by SouthsideCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn't close to 100% for a while
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although DeRosa certainly needed
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was not a case
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering he's a second baseman
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it was a bad read.
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's right.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net/cybertherapist/front/frontthigh/quadstrain.htm
Patterson more of a lead-off guy than Pie, ho hasn't proved that he can hit in the majors.
Unless they get a power-hitting outfielder (doubtful at this time) DeRosa is Lou's platoon guy and has played RF a lot. He'll certainly play more.
There's a lot of blocking on waivers. The Tejada block was a story by Buster Olney last night on Baseball Tonight.
It's positive that Hendry is thinking about getting someone up to start games (Gallagher) and thinking about who's available for the OF after clearing waivers.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
did you really just call pie a ho?
by rockpantson on Aug 6, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something else that just occured to me...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo,, that has to be it..
by JB 23 on Aug 6, 2007 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie is playing now
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So based on that...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems odd
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what's the point, then?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see the Cruz
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree too...
I was just guessing based on the comments by Levine. If DeRosa is seeing most of the time in RF, then LF would theoretically be manned by Floyd and Murton, and CF by Jones and Pagan, right?
Of course, it could be that Levine is just speculating out of his ass, too.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or it could be that Matt Murton...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be too...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if I've been a really, really...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little OT, but
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed Patterson is coming up to
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Levine is an idiot
Sounds like he's been getting medical reports from Joe Morgan.
Secondly, the White Sox weren't "blocked" by anyone on Tejada. The White Sox put in a claim on Tejada and either the Orioles pulled it immediately or they called up Kenny Williams, asked him what they would trade for Tejada, and then the Orioles pulled the waivers.
The Devil Rays, Royals or Rangers were the only teams that could have "blocked" Tejada and from all accounts they didn't put in a claim. If you are reporting this accurately, Levine has no freaking clue as to how waivers work.
by Josh77 on Aug 6, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wrote it
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they should call up pie...and patterson
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Some Thoughts
With Cliff and JJ and DeRo roaming the outfield, we really need someone to go after the ball. EPat is not a centerfielder and we definitely need one with the current OF situation.
The best one-two combination is Theriot and Fontenot. Two guys who are decent hitters and will work the count and get on base. That is something that Fonzie definitely did not do on a regular basis. As we all well know, Fonzie is definitely suited for the middle of the lineup.
Soto should be with the club. Why are we worried if Hill is picked up? If Lou is going to play Kendall five days a week, Soto will be fine. He has caught Hill, Marshall, Wuertz, and Marmol at Iowa. It's not as if he is coming in completely unprepared. He is definitely an upgrade over Hill at the plate and can play defense. He also has played a little 1B and could give Lee a day off if necessary.
Finally -- the pitching. If we had a long guy in the pen and did some tinkering with ineffective short guys, we would not have to even think about carrying 13 pitchers. First of all, bring back Gallagher. Use him in long relief. If Marquis continues to struggle, put Gallagher in his spot and move Marquis to long relief.
Then pleeeeezzzz get rid of Ohman. The "good" and "bad" Ohman both have to go. He is totally unreliable. It does not make a difference if he starts an inning or comes in to stop the bleeding, he does not get the job done on a consistent basis. His replacement does not have to be a lefthander -- I just want a guy who can get people out at least 75% of the time.
And after watching Eyre enter the game last night with a guy on base and letting him score after a hit and a SF, I would move him as well. Once again, too inconsistent just about all season long. With 8 weeks to go in the season, Eyre just does not make me believe that he will ever return to form of last year and the one before. We cannot continue to rely on him and Ohman. If we do, last night was only an OMEN of what will happen again.
by ceegeewow on Aug 6, 2007 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a crappy homestand
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 10:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
eyre
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He faced 5 batters last night in 2/3s
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those walks were intentional...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh. My memory failed me.
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THINGS TO BE POSITIVE ABOUT
- Woody looked great last night. And it was great to be there in the stands when he took the field.
- The Soriano injury might fix the line-up and give us a real lead-off hitter (Pie, Theriot, or even E-Pat). If things are clicking with one of those guys at the top, Soriano might be moved down in the order when he returns.
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 10:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where would you lead Pie off?
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's batting .359 in Iowa
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commitment issues?
by californiachicagoan on Aug 6, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie was overmatched
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in total agreement.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still think we might catch lightning in a bottle
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get the same pitchers
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yabbut
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Sori's injury is a grade 3 strain
by JB 23 on Aug 6, 2007 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't be the first time...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thought...
but IF the Cubs without Soriano, come up with a lineup with Theriot leading off, that ends up scoring like crazy, what are the chances that Lou might just throw Soriano out there batting fifth when he comes back, and maybe out to right and just say screw it. If we can score runs without him, surely we could score runs with him uncomfortable in right field and batting fifth... it's just a thought.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to think about...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that Soriano wasn't a good leadoff hitter
Now, Al, you're right that this season, a different player always picks up the slack. But to replace Soriano for a month or so is too much to ask now of the available players. Just remember how the team sank when Soriano got injured in the beginning of the season. His injury wasn't the only reason for the team's funk but it contributed to it.
Someone posted the other day that Soriano needed a rest. If he had only taken it last night. Sigh!
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed... however,
My recommended lineup would be:
SS Theriot
C Kendall
1B Lee
3B Ramirez
LF Floyd
2B DeRosa
RF Jones
CF Pie
Pitcher
I believe that this lineup, even without Soriano is good enough to win the division.
One other move I would make would be to bring Rapada or Pignatiello down and do something with Ohman, but at this point I trust Eyre WAY more than Ohman, and I'd like to see one of the youngsters get a shot to show the consistency that Ohman lacks.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Addendum
if Pie comes up and starts hitting well, I think I move him to second in the order for two reasons:
- That gives plenty of speed in Theriot and Pie in the top of the order.
- If Pie bats 2nd and Kendall 8th, the lineup goes righty, lefty, righty, righty, lefty, righty, lefty, righty, pitcher. Hopefully this would prevent managers bringing in lefties late in the game and facing a ton of lefties in a row.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Pie comes up and starts hitting well?
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt
by tbizzle83 on Aug 6, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
SS Theriot (R)
2B Fontenot (L)
1B Lee (R)
3B Ramirez (R)
LF Floyd (L)
RF DeRosa (R)
CF Jones (L)
C Kendall (R)
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think EPatt and fontenot
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson is a butcher at second
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently,
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EPatt plays second the way
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Soriano's Home Runs are getting over hyped
Having said the above I want him to come back healthy and tear it apart in the post season because I think we will get there given the crappy NL Central. Also in all fairness I don't think we will suffer much without Soriano in the lineup. Now Lou will have a lot of flexibility as because of Soriano Left Fielders were forced to man the tough Wrigley RF.
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Pagan start carrying a clicker in the OF
by Jayo525 on Aug 6, 2007 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I suspect that Pagán has ADHD.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As demonstrated by his poor baserunning
As Buddy Ryan would say, dumb players will get you beat.
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like trade-bait
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A BIG IF...
by Bardusk87 on Aug 6, 2007 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eric Patterson
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Then the Cubs are convinced...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defense At Second?
by ms9av on Aug 6, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I know about Patterson's defense
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EPat's last 10 games
10 for 43 (.233), 4 walks, 9 KOs, 2 RBI... is this the right call up to make in a playoff push?
Pie is 30 for 43 (.302) with 3 Steals and 5 RBI.
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 for 43? That's .698! No way.
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 of 43 would be...
by HIGGY on Aug 6, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake!
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing homestand.
Several things worth noting:
- The starting pitchers performed badly and forced the bullpen to overwork. Only Lilly did his job this week.
- The bullpen is strong, but:
b. Scott Eyre isn't.
c. Ryan Dempster is not a good closer.
d. Bob Howry did a better job closing during our winning stretch.
e. Carlos Mármol is doing his job well. Lou better not overwork him.
f. There is hope about what Kerry Wood can do for this team. We still need to see if he can be consistently good.
- The worst news this week was Soriano's injury. This is serious. We lost our biggest HR threat during a pennant run. There is no player currently in the roster or the minors who can provide what we miss with Soriano out for a month. The Cubs will probably call Pie up but the guy hasn't shown that he can hit in the major leagues. And remember, the Cubs didn't do well the last time Soriano missed playing time.
- Cliff Floyd is just a shadow of his former self.
- On the positive side, Jacque Jones and Jason Kendall improved their offense. I like the idea floated around about Kendall batting 2nd in the lineup.
- The Cubs have serious trouble against left-handed pitchers. A steady diet of them could eliminate the Cubs from contention, if Soriano's absence doesn't do it first.
- The lack of power in this lineup hampered the Cubs this week. With Soriano's absence that deficiency is magnified. I like Al's idea of signing José Cruz, Jr. The guy can hit and play a solid RF although he won't wow anyone. He should have more power than anyone who's played RF this season for the Cubs.
- Obviously, Matt Murton is in Lou's doghouse. Lou says he'll play him but if he didn't send Murton to RF last night after Soriano was injured, I don't think Lou ever will.
Is the season over? Of course not. After all, the Cubs are only a game back in the standings and the other teams have weaknesses too. It all depends on how management and the players react. However, Soriano's absence just when the schedule gets tougher, the inconsistency of our starters and our closer, and a losing homestand against good teams aren't good signs.
Regardless, let's hope for the best and cheer our team.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
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You are right I said the same many times up here. We might be scoring x runs per game so far but our offense has been really struggling. As you rightly said we cannot expect to beat good teams by advancing runners 90 feet at a time. I do not expect 4-5 hitters in the lineup to hit the long ball but there should at least be 2-3 who can consistently be able to get the long ball. Many times with the bases loaded or with two men on we ended up getting a run and at most 2. Now if only we had some consistent raw power then we could have blown a lot of games apart. I was not impressed with our performance in the Phillies series as well. Now we all hear that we should be able to split with the good teams and crush the lesser ones. But in all reality a team is only as good as it plays on a given day. DeRosa in his post game comments said something on the lines of "well it was a typical Tom Glavine performance". I would say that is an excuse. Glavine was struggling yesterday and we could not put more runs on the board only because of our ineptitude.
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What big bat didn't we try to get?
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We didn't try to get anyone seriously...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the concept of overworking a pitcher
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Road Trip Pitching Probables
by ms9av on Aug 6, 2007 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hr's are overrated
i'll take the cubs' offense over the team were chasing in the nl central.
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No they aren't
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you could win...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm pretty sure"
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's why...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets
by park on Aug 6, 2007 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wright and Reyes
Did you see LoDuca swatting at the bugs while at the plate? That was funny.
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been thinking about that all season
by BigJohnAZ on Aug 6, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you suppose
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you suppose
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall hitting 2nd
yes he takes pitches, yes he draws some walks and gets on base at a decent clip RECENTLY
but on the year he has a .276 OBP
and he's grounded into 53 DPs over the last 2.5 years
thats not a guy you want hitting 2nd....
by DartmouthCubsFan on Aug 6, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Possibly because our RH batters...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 12:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You didn't really get my point
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson rather than Pie
by louslovechild on Aug 6, 2007 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"because they are going to make a move"
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hadn't considered that,
by gary varsho on Aug 6, 2007 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY DO THEY NEED TO MAKE A MOVE?
by SackMan on Aug 6, 2007 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There seems to be a clutch of people...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i got your point
i believe the cubs are in the top 5 in mlb in doubles. secondly, we all know that baseball has a propensity to expose a team for exactly what they are, if this is accurate, it would stand to reason that the cubs will start hitting the long ball consistent with each player's respective career production, which will appease the "no hr's were doomed" contigency.
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When you want to
by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very little mention of Daryl Ward lately
by JohnM on Aug 6, 2007 12:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read in the Trib last week
by tony412 on Aug 6, 2007 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
And then there was the mistaken "fans at Wrigley cheering for Glavine" at the end of the 6th. Why in the world would we cheer for Glavine at that point in the game? It wasn't clear he was coming out or anything. It was obvious those cheers were for Wood, who was simultaneously running in from the 'pen as Glavine left the diamond. ESPN came back from commercial and tried to admit the mistake in their own pathetic way, but it was too late. Those guys are idiots, period.
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 12:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Miller's a tool, too.
Yeah, that's EXACTLY what that sign means. That just goes to show that they did absolutely zero research on the Cubs for this game.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Informal Survey...
Miller/Morgan?
or...
Buck/McCarver?
Discuss amongst yourselves.
by riggs on Aug 6, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Miller & Morgan, without a doubt
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Miller and Morgan you get
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miller and Morgan are MUCH worse...
I can listen to Buck and McCarver and just shake my head and thinking about how they are both idiots. I find Miller and Morgan nearly unwatchable.
I would rather watch a game televised by a booth consisting of Michael Moore, Fran Drescher and Joe Carter, than watch five minutes of Miller and Morgan.
If ESPN were smart they would just have Erin Andrews do the game by herself and show her in the press box after every batter. Watch those rating soar!
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree...
Speaking of Tim McCarver, though, here's one that's good for a laugh...under the headline "Traumatized Tim McCarver Vows Never To Google Self Again."
http://www.thebrushback.com/mccarver_full.htm
Enjoy...
by riggs on Aug 6, 2007 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morgan / Miller
At the beginning of the replay breakdown, they had a freeze frame of the defense that showed that Fontenot was definitely playing in an unusual spot, Morgan then pulled out that trusty telestrator of his and put a mark near where he'd be playing if it were a "double-play depth" alignment.
So far so good. He's right, but then his analysis went to hell. He said that if Fontenot had been playing double-play depth, he wouldn't have had to come in so far, and would've had a better shot at turning two.
Well, Professor Morgan, if he was playing there, and that ball was hit exactly at the same place and speed as it was. Fontenot would have to go so far to his left, there would be no way he could make the turn back toward second to get a fairly quick David Wright, and would have probably only had the play at first, the very same play he made.
Or worse, the ball could've dribbled by him, and the Cubs wouldn't have recorded any outs at all.
Heck, actually the ball Delgado hit was right at Fonty, it was just hit weakly. So he charged it and made a play. But, I guess if it were Morgan playing second he would've done it all, because as we all know, he's the greatest second baseman ever.
Man, he's just worthless.
by STLCubFan on Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then they're saying this morning
And DERREK Lee plays for the Cubs, J.O.! You did it during the All Star game, too.
The Soc bias on the Score is near-impossible to take (I know they're the flagship, but still), but I can't suffer through ANY show on ESPN.
ESPN radio and TV both suck. They're too big for their britches and try to be the story more than report about it.
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/you on your Score comments
North is just unbearable. All of them are 2nd class in Chicago.
by tony412 on Aug 6, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the background
I can't believe someone in Chicago thinks that North is good at what he does. He's not even the typically abrasive "shock-jock" type like Stern, who at least had a brain, though I didn't listen/like him much either.
I guess I'll stick with GN and my mp3s and call it good.
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sori Really Sore Now
He loves to hit low balls and seems to have a natural golf-like swing, hitting anything that's above the ground. He could probably hit +300 yard drives at the golf course with some good instruction (if he's not hitting them already). What has been killing him is that every pitcher sets him up to chase the low and outside breaking ball when he has two strikes, and he invariably bites on it.
If the pitch is low he will pull the trigger and go. He has such great reflexes and talent that he can foul many of them off. Yes, the Cubs will miss his bat in spite of his lack of crucial hits. It just seems odd that we are talking like we are about him even though he's a $15 million man. It's alot to pay for a streaky hitter.
by SpudV on Aug 6, 2007 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My only hope...
He just swings at every pitch too much to be the lead off guy.
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What could be interesting
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 6, 2007 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano will be back to leadoff
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the idea
by jbgindy on Aug 6, 2007 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd always
And I see absolutely no reason to keep Koyie around, other than experience at the ML level. Still, that's not saying much in his case.
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There's one reason.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry's return
by BigJohnAZ on Aug 6, 2007 1:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're right on, John
You can tell by my quote that I'm a big fan of Kerry's, and am very glad to see him back. He has the right stuff and the right swagger, but none of the attitude that #22 has.
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood
Against my better judgement, I'm very excited about having Wood back.
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really think he'll be not just servicable
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that
by BigJohnAZ on Aug 6, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
I think if Ohman and Dusty collaborated their efforts and tried really really hard, they could, together, carry EITHER Lou's or Wood's jock.
Seriously people, let's not get out of hand here!
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Loved the first curve
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wood's pitching...
by John Q Freejazz on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I decided a few weeks ago
Seriously, he's the most annoying individual on the radio, possibly on any station, anywhere. He even comments and overtakes the news while it's being read. Again, he tries to become the story, like ESPN is doing. Both pathetic.
Why do so many sports outlets seem to assume that, simply because I'm a male and like to follow sports, that I'm a meatheaded, misogynistic, ex-jock with no interests or intelligence outside the sporting universe? How many of us truly even fit that stereotype anyway?
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Huebner is another story, though. A total jagbag. Tool of the week, of the month, of the year...
by lostinthevines on Aug 6, 2007 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Mike
by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew North when he had his hotdog
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had
by sue369 on Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. It was called Bebe's.
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Patterson
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am real interested to see
I love seeing +260 posts on BCB this morning as it is clear that we all are focused and concerned for the Cubs. Whether it is hitting home runs, filling the lead off spot or getting more consistent starting pitching, I think Lou is focused on the finish line.
He will find a way to "cut & paste" this team through August and pull us past the BrewCrew.
by LAcarl519 on Aug 6, 2007 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does Lou even wear a jock?
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's on point.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
History
This is one of the classiest players in the game.
Juxtapose that with steroid man and ARod who's thought of as a jerk doing things this week....
And I just watched the tape of Kerry's entrance and the announcers saying it was for Glavine's departure and when they realized it was for Kerry's entrance they actually sounded like they were criticizing fans.
Cub fans always applaud greatness on the other side of the field and I think it's to our credit. I'll never forget being at Hank Aaron's last Wrigley game when I was just a little kid and the standing ovation he received every at bat.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 6, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How did anyone know it was Hank Aaron's last game
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron's last game at Wrigley Field...
He homered that day. It was his 725th.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Kielty?
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
come on, now!
"Their No. 1 objective in Soriano's absence is to avoid the type of total collapse they suffered last season when Derrek Lee broke his wrist and missed more than three months."
does anyone entertain this as even a remote possibility?
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
link not working, try this
by rm463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by Matt Allison on Aug 6, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought of the same thing
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
For another thing, we haven't been as reliant on the offense this year as last year. The pitching staff has been much better this year than last.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
For the love of God, people, Alfonso Soriano is a principal part of this team. Streaky as he is he's the leading HR hitter on this team this year. And for a team that's having a power drought, the absence of that kind of production, as limited as it has been, is noticieable. It will have an impact. How big depends on how the players react and what moves management makes in the next few days.
Sure, this team is more balanced than last year's but that doesn't mean that it is immune to Soriano's absence from the lineup.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if this has been mentioned...
by WartburgCub on Aug 6, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he might be an option...
I think Ohman better start checking the apartment scene in Des Moines...or maybe Boise
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right,, too.
Hmmm. Why not get him anyway and use him against RHB?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we HAVE guys who get RH out...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends on price
What about trying to use wood or marmol against Left handers, i think they both have the type of stuff that would be effective vs. LHB
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Church?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope not
by tony412 on Aug 6, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reads like pure speculation to me
Although the blog entry is credited to Tribune Staff, I smell a little Phil Rogers in it. He continues to be notorious about writing personally desired trades or free agent pickups as hints of insider information. I see no evidence in the report suggesting any real knowledge about what Hendry is trying to do.
by Qixotl on Aug 6, 2007 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My nephew
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised
by Kegler on Aug 6, 2007 1:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
North bought brokered time on a little station
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That old 15-something AM station
I was in the building back in the early 80s, that 'other' station had as much room in the Belmont facility as WXRT. It was mainly an ethnic station, it brokered time -- mainly Eastern European programming.
You are making it sound as if that AM station has some sort of broom closet for a studio -- it did not. The old AM tower is still on the property.
(I have no idea if that 15-something is still transmitting from there or not.)
Eventually, Infinity wound up swapping frequencies with NBC and wound up with the 670AM dial position, where The Score is today.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 6, 2007 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I talked about the station sharing space
The AM station ceased to exist when the Score moved into the bunker on Belmont. If you were there in the 80s maybe you met Seth Mason. He thought North was funny and as much as anyone else, it is he who can be blamed for the radio career of Mike North.
XRT now inhabits the entire building.
by TR on Aug 6, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al are you a moron
This team has struggled for Offense all year and we just lost our team leader in Homers and Runs Scored.
This team is not better off, in fact the only other persons getting injured that would have hurt this team more would be losing Lilly or Z.
You and Kool-Aid drinkers might being felling better after you all have you orgy of make believe but at least this average Joe is willing to say the Emperor has no clothes.
by Joe on Aug 6, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey smart guy
I don't know if al really ment the team is better off. But it's very reasonable to expect a AAA call up to put up numbers comprable to soriano. And hey if that call up does well then when fonzie returns maybe the call up can stay on the team and we end up better in the end.
And by the way joe very classy argument
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sori stats
by psennett on Aug 6, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Receipe time....
Place Joe between two slices of bread and place in Mircrowave for 45 minutes. Serves no one.
by LT on Aug 6, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally - I am much more concerned
Right now - the Cubs have TWO pitchers that can be relied upon.
by TheEman on Aug 6, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had that sandwich...
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors.com
According to the Boston Herald, Kielty is receiving interest from the Red Sox, Yankees, Cubs, Diamondbacks, and Astros.
Hmm...Bobby Kielty. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. Career .255 hitter, has some power, switch hits, and plays corner outfield. Not too shabby if it works for us. Filled in nicely for Milton Bradley when he was injured. Spent some time on the DL this year, but only got in 13 games with the A's this year. Was released a few days ago, so he is definitely available.
Is it the best answer? Probably not. Is it worth a shot? I dunno. I don't know enough about him, but if he can play outfield and put some numbers up...
Your thoughts?
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't hurt.
I'd still rather have Cruz.
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reminds me...
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of that...
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder, though
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I care.
by cwyers on Aug 6, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 Home Runs
by tony412 on Aug 6, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apples and oranges...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Years shouldn't matter
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my point...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken
I would vote no probably, just because I don't know enough about him. I am still pretty entrenched in the "if it ain't broke" crowd, for now. We have been playing winning ball for the most part, and I'd have to see how things shake out in the next couple weeks with Fonzie in there.
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd vote no...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points, all
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 1:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Soriano hasn't played like anything better than a very average left fielder most of the time this year. And defensively, he has a great arm, and is fast, but he can't make any plays near the wall or in foul territory, and he has been unable to pick up more balls in the outfield than anyone I've ever seen. It just scoots right past him. I agree with Al on this, it won't be hard to replace him, particularly since he was wasting what power he did have in the leadoff spot. If he was playing like he did last year, then he would be impossible to replace.
They might even do a little better without him if they put someone with a little power in the 5-6 holes and someone who can get on base lead-off.
by jazzypete on Aug 6, 2007 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
speaking of defense
by tony412 on Aug 6, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kielty?
by Willgly on Aug 6, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with ya
Could it work too for Bobby? Change of scenery, second-chance, switch-hitting bat, outfield experience? Granted, we don't have many choices at this point, most of what is available or could be available is going to be damaged goods or someone who has fallen off. The other choice is to find the solution in house. I just noticed the report on the site and wanted to throw it out here for the rabid fans to chew on.
So, I'll bring the A-1 sauce and let's get to chewin!
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guard the bear claws and jelly-filled long johns
What about re-acquiring Chicagoan Ray King?
He has a 1.35 ERA since the ASB, a 0.91 WHIP against lefties on the year and opponents are batting .214 against him with two outs and RISP.
by eamuscatuli1881 on Aug 6, 2007 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why not
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
diner?
by buckmulligan on Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Meyers was just released by the Yankees
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 6, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really concerned
by cajuncubbie on Aug 6, 2007 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JOSE CRUZ JR??????????????
Is that tough enough for you?
Petco Park had nothing to do with his 'decline.'
He's awful. Had a unbelieveable, out-of-his-mind month of April, into Mid-May -- home and road.
Now, he couldn't hit a 16" softball, thrown underhand. Talk about your 'regression to the mean.'
'
I belive it's 'regression to his norm' -- a washed up, over-the-hill outfielder.
Shopping at the 99-cent store is best done by the Padres.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 6, 2007 2:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Cribbs463 on Aug 6, 2007 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's Iowa's version of Soriano.
by Matt Allison on Aug 6, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From watching
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
There needs to be a 40 man roster move to open a spot for E-Patt. Wonder who the Cubs are giving up on.
by jacob on Aug 6, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Showcasing Eric
by coral on Aug 6, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of choices...
Dopirak
Fox
Cotts
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blanco
i doubt fox or cotts would clear waivers, and i don't know anything about dopirak.
seems to me that there is only one choice. blanco to 60 day DL.
by jacob on Aug 6, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco makes the most sense...
Dopirak is another option, considering he's faded tremendously as a prospect.
But yeah, Blanco makes the most sense.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't see
sounds like blanco's season is over to me.
by jacob on Aug 6, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't they put him on the 60 day DL
by LT on Aug 6, 2007 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if reports are true
by jacob on Aug 6, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called this last night
by IllinoisCubs on Aug 6, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because usually they need more than
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anxious to see lineups
by jds2 on Aug 6, 2007 2:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
HENDRY TRADES
- and he wakes from afternoon sleep -
-SIGH-
by TheEman on Aug 6, 2007 3:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually - WSCR has reported several times that
by TheEman on Aug 6, 2007 3:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We have nothing in LF...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn..
by wicubfan on Aug 6, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you really think so?
In a cursory look he strikes out one out of every three times up, and is an adventure in the OF. Although Pat, I have heard, has gone on and on about how "athletic" he was in college (footbal, I'm thinking...).
There was talk before the deadline that the Reds may have made Dunn available through the waiver wire...
by TheEman on Aug 6, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You obsess too much over Ks....
And as for his defense, he's no more of an adventure in the OF than Floyd, in my opinion. Even if Floyd is slightly better defensively (and I can't see how you could prove even that), the difference offensively is gigantic.
Honestly, I can't believe anyone would rationally consider Floyd to be in the same category as Dunn.
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power hitters strike out a lot.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stairs...
by wicubfan on Aug 6, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now is the only
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Aug 6, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Stairs...
The man can still hit and draws walks and was a GREAT clubhouse guy when he was here.
If the Cubs could get Stairs for little or nothing, why not?
by Al on Aug 6, 2007 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"and is 75 years old..."
Maybe he can play the OF?
OR - catcher!
What an ARM on our catcher!!!
by TheEman on Aug 6, 2007 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scheduling Oddity - Interleague Games
Here's the breakdown:
AL - all 14 teams @ 18
NL East - 3 @ 15, 2 @ 18
NL Central - 1 @ 12, 3 @ 15, 2 @ 18
NL West - 4 @ 15, 1 @ 18
I realize with each league having a different number of teams, things are always going to be a little bit screwy, so I wouldn't have been surprised if some teams had one less series than others. But the Cubs had TWO less series than five other teams.
I also realize scheduling in general is an unholy mess, but you'd think there'd be a way to get the Cubs up to 15 IL games and one of the 18 game teams down to 15.
by ballhawk on Aug 6, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WSCR just reported
Is this the harbinger of a deal?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"the Cubs are releasing Wade Miller"
by cubsnlinux on Aug 6, 2007 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit!
I want Buck Coates!!!!!!!
But trying to keep it real. Who cares who we get or call up? This is a team. Whoever is in there is going to have to contribute. Did the Mets look like they were whining or complaining about Beltran being on the DL? Or did they just go about their business.
How about the Phillies with Chase Utley? They replaced him with Tadihito Iguchi....and they're doing fine. Just go out and play.
My concern with the Cubs was the starters going longandnow that Soriano is hurt my main concern is STILL the starters going longer in games.
by yahoodi on Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well Beltran sucks...
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beltran sucks?
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sucks
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's overrated
by cubsbak on Aug 6, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree...
by SouthernCub on Aug 6, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree.
by Fraggin Judge on Aug 6, 2007 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not God's Gift to Baseball
I can see how the attention he got last year would make you say that he's been overrated, after all, he only had a .275 average. But at the same time his OBP was like .380 and he drove in well over 100.
Beltran is good.
by WittyUserName on Aug 6, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today
Dopirak DFA'd
Patterson Called up
Soriano DL'ed
by Chanman25 on Aug 6, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That
by Kinky Reggae on Aug 6, 2007 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pagan
My biggest problem with this team is that we have too many people that aren't even close to what most ML teams consider a solid everyday starter(Floyd, Murton, Cedeno, DeRosa(still like the guy, but many still see him as super utility guy and nothing else), Fontenot, Theriot, Jock, and Pagan. I know it's easier said than done, but we need quality and not quantity. Im still a fan of doing whatever it takes to get some kind of wacky wavier wire deal to snag Dunn. Say what you want about his defense or strikeouts, but that guy is one of the biggest lefthanded power threats in baseball. We could use that any day of the week.
by Gleebo on Aug 6, 2007 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
boo on weurtz
by Jarrod misses Barrett on Aug 6, 2007 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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