A Little Perspective, Please
Six days ago all of us were reveling in the fact that the Cubs had moved percentage points ahead of the Brewers into first place; they even moved the flag on the scoreboard to the top spot.
So why now is there so much angst? The Cubs lost 5-2 to the Astros last night, and looked bad doing it; but with the Brewers blowing a 3-run lead and losing big in Colorado, 11-4, giving the Rockies two five-run innings in the process, the Cubs remain this morning only one game out of first place, still even in the loss column.
There are fifty games remaining; the Cubs have a 58-54 record. If they can go 30-20 -- and they've played better than this over a previous 50-game period this year -- I believe that, which would result in 88 wins, would be enough to win the Central.
They're not going to do it playing the way they did last night, though. I'm kind of tired of reading articles like this one which blame the last two losses on the loss of Alfonso Soriano. Soriano hasn't hit that much since the All-Star break, and he doesn't appear to have "40-40" in him this year.
Would Soriano have made a difference in the first inning last night? No, because Ryan Theriot led off the game with a walk. When was the last time you saw Soriano do that? The failure was in the middle of the order. You might say that missing Aramis Ramirez last night was at fault, but the bottom line is -- other players have to step up; everyone knows Ramirez has to sit from time to time because of his knee troubles. The Cubs could have had Woody Williams out of the game early; scoring only one run out of a bases-loaded, nobody-out situation is asking for the momentum to shift, and it did.
Sean Marshall threw well enough; Kerry Wood allowed two of his inherited runners to score, so even though Wood's ERA remains at zero, and the boxscore says the bullpen did a good job, it really didn't. Had Wood been able to retire Carlos Lee and Ty Wigginton, the Cubs would have pulled to within 3-2 on Matt Murton's subsequent HR and perhaps, then, would have been able to come back.
I hate the pulled-in infield, incidentally. How many times have you actually seen that work? And how many times have you seen a hitter slap a ball that would have resulted in an out if the infielder had been in his normal position, right through? Are you telling me that a shortstop couldn't throw to the plate from twenty feet further back? I wish Lou would stop doing this.
There isn't much more to say, other than that Eric Patterson got his first major league hit, a bloop over Astros SS Eric Bruntlett's outstretched glove. He also struck out twice. That isn't necessarily an indictment of him, as the rest of the team struck out eleven times. Still, I'm not sure that he's the answer to anything at this point. The Sun-Times recap linked above says:
And Hendry said only that he and his staff are working the waiver wires for possible help.
Well, at least they're thinking about acquiring someone. I'm still on the Jose Cruz bandwagon -- I know some of you have scoffed at that notion, but the guy can play all three OF positions, has a bit of power, and will draw walks. He was released, thus could be acquired for nothing. If he's terrible, just release him again. I also know the Cubs have had some interest in Jonny Gomes; Gomes, too, has some power (13 HR this season so far in 199 AB) and had a big game last night, 3-for-4 with a HR and 4 RBI. I don't have any specific knowledge, but I imagine Gomes has cleared waivers and the Cubs could get him if they really wanted him, though Tampa Bay has been in the past difficult to deal with.
So, tonight Carlos Zambrano has to, once again, play the role of "stopper", this time stopping a three-game losing streak, the team's first in two months.
Notes: Will Ohman claims he's hurt and thus shouldn't have been sent down. Note, though:
So -- this was only an issue AFTER you were sent down, Will? Read between the lines and you'll find the real reason:
Well, waah, waah, waah, Will. You mean with that $2.5 million, two-year deal you signed last year, you couldn't have bought a couple of plane tickets for your kids to see their grandparents?
This team is better off without him, for quite a number of different reasons, it would seem.
After the Cub game ended I flipped on the end of the White Sox/Indians game to hear how Steve Stone fit in with that other guy they have in the booth. Surprisingly, Stone seemed at ease, and did one of the things he does best -- called a couple of pitch sequences perfectly. Stone will be calling Sox games the rest of this week, as Darrin Jackson is in Arizona with his wife, who had their fourth child yesterday. If you don't live in the Chicago area and want to hear Stone, the Sox game vs. the Mariners on Saturday at 6:05 CT will be on WGN.
Finally, I have only this to say about Barry Bonds' breaking of Hank Aaron's HR record last night: Bonds now has hit the most home runs in major league history. But that does not make him the greatest HR hitter. There's a difference. This massively talented individual, who was a first-ballot Hall of Famer before he (allegedly) took a single steroid, has always been a great baseball player. If only he'd accomplished this feat without a cloud of suspicion over his head, I'd be more willing to celebrate this historic event. Instead, I simply note, as I did when he hit HR #752 and #753 at Wrigley Field last month, that we are witnesses to history.
Now let's get back into first place tonight.
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Gomes
by gary varsho on Aug 8, 2007 8:53 AM CDT 0 recs
I imagine...
by Al on
Aug 8, 2007 8:57 AM CDT
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All for it
Also, I would kind of be suprised if he cleared waivers. He's a powerful right handed bat who takes walks and played a serviceable outfield. Of course he strikes out a lot as well. But, and I may be (and probably am) wrong here but I think he still probably makes close to the league min. If he did clear waivers, he is without a doubt the one we should target.
by hawkeyenation on
Aug 8, 2007 8:58 AM CDT
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You are not wrong...
If he did make it here, I'd expect he'd see a lot of RF. Floyd is just not getting it done these days, and it may be that the wear and tear of a 162 game season is too much for him at this point.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:08 AM CDT
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Gomes is a much better
Cruz's career is toast. He hit, oh, about .600 in April, and about .120 since. Had he been able to hit, at least .260, there's no way the Padres release him, and take a flyer on the troubled Milton Bradley, (who's been injured more than he's been in the line-up) and scrub Scott Hairston (Who promptly hits 3 sucessive HR's, tying a team record. That means the 99-cent store shopping can help for a game or two, but that's about it.)
No Cruz Jr. Please.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on
Aug 8, 2007 10:24 AM CDT
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a little perspective my butt.
seriously though. a 3 game losing streak, though frustrating, is far from the end of the world. Obviously it would be nice to have gained ground on the Brew Crew, but it hasn't happened. They will get it together here. We all just need to take deep cleansing breath and relax. Things will be ok.
by mike on Aug 8, 2007 8:58 AM CDT 0 recs
"Perspective" amplification
A few more runs scored here and there would be nice. A little bit of a pitching improvement likewise.
3 games isn't the end of the world, a few more and then it will be time for the nerves...
by MN exile on
Aug 8, 2007 10:27 AM CDT
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I agree, but...
They need a very good game tonight so they can get back to the business of GOOD baseball, or the last two months of this season could look a lot more like the first two than the past two.
by STLCubFan on
Aug 8, 2007 10:39 AM CDT
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This is not last year.
Take a few deep breaths, dude...
by MN exile on
Aug 8, 2007 10:59 AM CDT
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I'm still optimistic...
by STLCubFan on
Aug 8, 2007 2:50 PM CDT
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On Bonds...
by hawkeyenation on Aug 8, 2007 9:02 AM CDT 0 recs
I was asleep when it happened.
by Al on
Aug 8, 2007 9:16 AM CDT
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Al: did you see the post/article I put up
by LAcarl519 on
Aug 8, 2007 11:31 AM CDT
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I felt the same way
by pageian on
Aug 8, 2007 3:08 PM CDT
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Ohman
by rgonzale on Aug 8, 2007 9:05 AM CDT 0 recs
I dont want to be that guy but...
Dont take this as doom and gloom, as i have stated before i think Lou is a motivating coach as oppose to Dusty's laid back attitude, and hopefully Lou can get these guys focused and back on a hot streak.
PS - i am a supporter of Jones as we all know, but that was absolutel unbelievable last night in the first inning. A pitcher walks 3 in the inning and you go up there hacking at the first pitch. Not good.
by HIGGY on Aug 8, 2007 9:07 AM CDT 0 recs
You are right..
by cubsnlinux on
Aug 8, 2007 10:34 AM CDT
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Jones gets a alot of hits
by MPH73 on
Aug 8, 2007 10:42 AM CDT
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Patterson/Pie
With the huge OF of Colorado on the horizon, with Patterson not looking to be the answer and with the entire OF struggling, now is the time to recall Pie. Do whatever you want with the waiver-wire guys, but Pie should be brought up NOW.
by krummy12 on Aug 8, 2007 9:07 AM CDT 0 recs
Last night, left field...
by cwyers on Aug 8, 2007 9:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Agreed.
by Al on
Aug 8, 2007 9:16 AM CDT
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Fine
by krummy12 on
Aug 8, 2007 9:17 AM CDT
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Right, because Soriano only...
by cwyers on
Aug 8, 2007 9:19 AM CDT
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Well...
by hawkeyenation on
Aug 8, 2007 9:20 AM CDT
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Missed it
You can even take it further and say that he was fortunate that the 1B fumbled his bunt on Tuesday night because he bunted it way too hard. So, I'm not down on him, but...he's not ready to contribute based entirely on that small sample size.
It is also laughable to compare any of those guys to Soriano, a guy that no matter his numbers or production, perceived or otherwise, is respected at the plate by all major league pitchers. Something that can't quite be said for Patterson just yet. Until then, high fastballs all around.
by krummy12 on
Aug 8, 2007 9:24 AM CDT
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That's fine
by hawkeyenation on
Aug 8, 2007 9:31 AM CDT
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What's your point?
Soriano has 42 RBI this year, and at least 18 of those came on his own HR. So it's not like he's been hitting tons of clutch hits, either (especially lately).
Look, the team is clearly better off having Soriano on the team, because he's one of the more dangerous hitters. But based on the results last night, having him and not Murton/Patterson would not likely have made a difference. Over the course of a season, yes, Soriano is the better option. But last night, it didn't hurt us.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:22 AM CDT
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Well
My point, missed by a few of you, is that Pie belongs in CF, especially with Colorado on the horizon, and that Patterson belongs as a September callup. He isn't ready for major league duty on a semi-regular basis. It's not even really about offense. If they go into Colorado with Jones and Pagan in CF, the gaps will get a workout.
by krummy12 on
Aug 8, 2007 9:27 AM CDT
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I don't think
Should Pie be up instead of Patterson? Perhaps, but at the same time he didn't exactly do much with his opportunity besides with his defense. Last I checked, it's our offense which isn't doing the job.
by hawkeyenation on
Aug 8, 2007 9:34 AM CDT
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You could really use a bit of perspective.
At this point, personally I'd like to see an outfield of Patterson-Pie-Murton, although I'm enough of a realist to understand that it won't happen. But it doesn't really help Patterson develop -- and it wouldn't be great for Pie, either -- for the organization to get the notion that you can write a guy off after four at-bats.
So, seriously, could we give the rookie a chance? Is that SO much to ask? Because if it is, you can start to understand why Felix Pie isn't on the team; what would he do there? What good does it do everyone?
If you start putting the pressure on, they start pressing and they start getting away from what got them to the Show in the first place. It's stupid, stupid, stupid. And it's why Mark Grace will continue to be a punchline to a very sad joke about this organization.
by cwyers on
Aug 8, 2007 9:35 AM CDT
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Nothing in your previous post or this thread...
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:37 AM CDT
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Come on man
by krummy12 on
Aug 8, 2007 11:38 AM CDT
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No, you've got your threads confused
by BeerCub on
Aug 8, 2007 12:07 PM CDT
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Ohman
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Sure, well only one month and a half isn't going to cut it when the rest of the season was miserable..
by Chanman25 on Aug 8, 2007 9:17 AM CDT 0 recs
The pulled-in infield didn't loose the game
by stelmodad on Aug 8, 2007 9:30 AM CDT 0 recs
Bonds and Al
Forgive me okay? Does it help to know I had to watch Barney this morning?
Al one of the reasons you make a great person to run this blog is your level headedness about things.
I'm afraid to walk downtown today because of all the leaping off of buildings people are ready to do.
But you bring a levelheadedness to this site that is needed for the head guy.
On Bonds I found it just sad last night.
How joyous this time should be for baseball.
If it was anyone else but a steroid filled jerk it would be special.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Aug 8, 2007 9:33 AM CDT 0 recs
Perspective?
7/1: "This isn't overhype: the Cubs really must win today." - Al
5/13: "Time to change that streak, particularly since today is pretty much a must-win" - Al
Do you see why must-win proclamations are goofy before you get to a point where your elimination number is 0?
by GamePenguin on Aug 8, 2007 9:36 AM CDT 0 recs
"Must win" often followed by ...
But it is true that the recent losses don't hurt that badly since the Cubbies are still only 1 game out of first.
Sure you'd prefer to have taken over first place and made gains but you have to like where you're at, well within reach of winning the division.
The Cubbies are "lucky" to play in the NL Central though where a team with .518 winning percentage and on pace to win a mere 84 games is only one game out of first. Of course as the Cardinals demonstrated that's enough to win it all.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 8, 2007 11:07 AM CDT
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Of couse,
by gary varsho on
Aug 8, 2007 11:23 AM CDT
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And you're point is...
The Sox have a lousy record against the NL (and a lousy record overall) this proves that the NL Central is great?
The Sox record against the NL does not change the fact that the Cubbies are in a weak division, arguably the weakest division - in MLB two years in a row.
by DrCrawdad on
Aug 8, 2007 11:32 AM CDT
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I'm sure no one
I really enjoy being able to chat with other fans during the games but the last couple of nights it has not been fun in here. Not just the negativity but the language and insults are just awful. Where were these same posters when the Cubs had their winning streak going? It's baseball played by humans not robots. The way some carried on last night maybe they need to find a different sport or team to watch. Maybe the Debbie Downers could start a diary during the games to do their bitching and bashing in there.
Here's hoping Z gets a win tonight!!
by sue369 on Aug 8, 2007 9:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Where's the angst coming from?
by Jerry Mumphrey on Aug 8, 2007 9:37 AM CDT 0 recs
Jason Kendall is actually enjoying a nice...
Jones is starting to pick up, too. I wish he'd keep the ball off the ground a bit more often and maybe try to end up on second every so often, but you go to war with the center fielder you have, not the center fielder you may want. He's not, right this moment, killing the team. Although I'd still have him pass through a suck detector before letting him in the clubhouse, just in case.
Guys currently slumping badly: Mike Fontenot and Cliff Floyd. Those are the guys you want to start looking at.
by cwyers on
Aug 8, 2007 9:45 AM CDT
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Agreed...
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:47 AM CDT
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What is Jones picking up?
by Itchy on
Aug 8, 2007 9:59 AM CDT
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"Alleged"?
by Kegler on Aug 8, 2007 9:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Technicalities...
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:43 AM CDT
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He admitted
The more disgusting thing is that all of this information came from leaked testimony.
by TC Cubby on
Aug 8, 2007 9:58 AM CDT
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Not quite accurate...
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 10:06 AM CDT
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Actually...
by 60613 on
Aug 8, 2007 10:32 AM CDT
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Again, not quite true...
It's a minute distinction I realize. And I'm not saying I don't fully believe he did steroids. I fully believe that he did the cream and the clear. I'm just saying that legally it's not proven. I was just explaining the "alleged" nature of it. In the court of public opinion and common sense, he's certainly done steroids. But in the court of innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, it's just alleged steroid use.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 10:39 AM CDT
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Is that
by wild bill on
Aug 8, 2007 1:14 PM CDT
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so what?
by anormal on
Aug 8, 2007 12:07 PM CDT
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Sadaharu Oh, Josh Gibson and Kelly Leak...
by hokie316 on Aug 8, 2007 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs
JOSH Gibson...
Oh's case is nearly as tenuous; Nippon Baseball is roughly a AAA league; you inclue Bonds' minor league numbers and Oh doesn't look so far away.
by cwyers on
Aug 8, 2007 9:51 AM CDT
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More info on Gibson and Oh
Because of his early death (and illness that struck him at 31), it seems very unlikely that Gibson would have even hit 500 home runs in the majors. On top of that, he was a catcher who wouldn't have played a full schedule in the majors. He was a great, great player though and might have broken Ruth's 60 HR in a season record if he'd have played in the majors in his mid-20s.
I wouldn't call NPB a AAA league anymore. It's better than AAA, not quite as good as the majors. But still, in Oh's time, I think it is fair to call it a AAA league, or maybe even AA at the start of Oh's career. And one thing we know about NPB is that they've got a lot of parks where it is easy to hit home runs. If you look at the drop in Hideki Matsui's HR totals, he's gone from being a guy who hit between 40 and 50 homers a year to someone who hits between 25 and 35 in the majors. That's a good approximation of the difference in the leagues (knock off 15-20 HRs a year), and it was even greater in Oh's time.
by Josh77 on
Aug 8, 2007 1:29 PM CDT
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Not necessarily in that order....
by eamuscatuli1881 on
Aug 8, 2007 11:24 AM CDT
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A Tough Game to Watch.
I was sitting with my dad. (When we both show up, the Cubs are 0-3, so we may have to put the kabosh on going to games together!) I agreed with his estimation: the boys just looked lethargic. There was no fire. Sean Marshall threw great for five plus innings, but got no support. I thought things would pick up with Matty hit the solo shot into left-center, and then Riot got on base (I think), but that fizzled out too. There was no pop to the bats, and I wonder if the Cubs underestimated the 'Stros this time.
Walking out of the Juicebox with not a small number of other disappointed Cubs fans, I tried to focus on the good: it was the first time I got to see Kerry Wood throw, and I saw Matty knock one out (I'm still a fan of the redhead, I can't deny it).
Al's right. The season's not over, not by a far stretch. As long as the Brewers keep imploding, it buys us time to get over this mini-funk. But we have to find a way to get fired up again. I didn't see it last night. Here's hoping Z wakes us up.
by Teacherdave on Aug 8, 2007 9:48 AM CDT 0 recs
Pie vs. Patterson vs. JJ
All 3 are lefties -- one is a potential leadoff man -- one provides defense -- the third is a veteran who provides nothing.
For the first three months of the season we were all on the dump JJ bandwagon. What has changed?
He has once decent week since his return to a semi-regular place in the lineup. He still continues to fail in the clutch, hits ground ball after ground ball, flails at breaking pitches, swings through fastballs, and never works the count.
Unless you can find gold in a right handed bat that some other team puts out there for the waiver taking, it is time once again to offer JJ to the dogs.
And do not give me the "eat the salary" woes of the organization. If the lowly Devil Rays and their nickel and dime ownership can eat the 2-1/2 million dollar salary of the Ohman-like Casey Fossum (which they did yesterday), the pennywise and pound foolish Cubs can launch JJ.
by ceegeewow on Aug 8, 2007 9:50 AM CDT 0 recs
Jones hits the best of the 3...
Compare that to the crap that Pie was hitting by the time he was sent down.
When Jones had an OBP around .300 and was playing RF badly, I was in agreement that he was hurting the team. Now, he's playing a solid defensive CF, and he's producing offensively. Hence, I've laid off the he's hurting the team stance.
by SouthernCub on
Aug 8, 2007 9:58 AM CDT
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Thanks , Al for jumping
He is a LOOGY where a LOOGY is a luxury right now, and I never could stand the guy. If used for ONE batter and ONE batter only, he would be palatable sometimes- but Lou was not willing to do this.
In comparing teams, the Phillies have lost Utley (and Victorino) - not a skip; the Mets lost their "Soriano" (Beltran) and they kicked our ass.
Unfortunately, no one is willing to step up now that is being paid big time star money. Ryan Theriot, a guy making minimum, is the only person that can be counted on.
It is very discouraging and telling.
by TheEman on Aug 8, 2007 9:56 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm not sure you can make a correlation
I don't think so. They looked poised to scuffle a little to me even before he went down. I think it is less the failure of guys stepping up in the absence of Soriano than the fact that the team is just going through a rough patch (and would be doing so even if Soriano was in the lineup).
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Aug 8, 2007 12:30 PM CDT
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Final Thoughts About Ohman
What really pisses me off and I'm sure most of the people on this venue are the offerings made by Ohman about his shoulder.
Listen you dung head, the Cubs are trying to take the cake here. We all could care less about what you have and have not done. If you were having a problem with your shoulder -- even a minor one -- "tell the trainer and the manager and get your ass on the DL." Now you are using this problem as an excuse for your crappy performances over the past month? We need someone to get people out -- not some lame shouldered lob slinger who all of a sudden blames his problems on a bad arm. If you are really a team player, you would have stepped up and told management the problems you were experiencing.
After this self-excusing presentation, this poor excuse for a Cub and a contributing teammate should never be allowed to cross the white lines again at Wrigley Field unless he is a member of the opposition.
by ceegeewow on Aug 8, 2007 9:57 AM CDT 0 recs
WOW!
I hope the Brewers pick him up - next year (although, unfortunately, Hendry signed him until 2008)
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