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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Cardinals, Friday 9/14, 7:10 CT

Yelloncard_tiny by Al on in Game Threads Comment 612 comments

The Cubs have had several "biggest series in four years" already this summer.

This one certainly ranks as the biggest. After struggling for several weeks, the Cubs are now on a nice 4-out-of-6 run; their 53-40 record since June 2 is still best in the NL -- and one-half game better than the Red Sox record since that date.

A few miscellaneous stat notes: the 20 HR the Cubs have hit in 13 September games is more than they hit the entire months of July (13) and August (19). Keep this up and, as we saw the last two days, good things can follow. They are 8-4 vs. St. Louis this year, 4-1 at Busch Stadium III.

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Fun for today: Bruce Miles speculates on what might have been if the Cubs had actually won, instead of lost, in 2003.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
 C. Zambrano
Cubs		 vs. Adam Wainwright
 A. Wainwright
Cardinals
15-12 W-L 13-10
4.26 ERA 3.75
163 SO 117
92 BB 61
21 HR 11
vs. StL -- vs. Cubs
Z threw well in his last start, something the Cubs desperately need him to do in order to win this thing. He's supposed to be the #1 guy, the "ace". He's owned the Cardinals, not only this year (2-0, 2.03), but in his career (7-4, 2.45, in 17 starts and one relief appearance). He's handled Albert Pujols (.205/.294/.455 in 44 AB) well. Go get 'em!

Adam Wainwright is the Cardinals' best starter -- some would say their ONLY starter, as the rest of the rotation is converted relievers and castoffs and minor leaguers. The Cubs have beat the living daylights out of him three times already this year, including two times in St. Louis (0-2, 11.44 ERA in 2007 vs. the Cubs). Jacque Jones (.462/.533/.615 in 13 AB) and Ryan Theriot (6-for-10) have hit him particularly hard.

Today's game is once again cable-only. It's also available on EI, and at the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Brewers/Reds game (7:05 CT starting time)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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BIG Z...
back at it...as someone posted earlier on the other thread...let's hope Z is Cy Young tonight and not Cy Ko... :)
"If you were a hotdog, would you eat yourself? I know I would!!!"

by TheRiot4Life on Sep 14, 2007 3:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

big Z
needs to set the table...3 of 4 would be a great this weekend!
You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 14, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets extend the lead tonight
go Cubs!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

cubs cards, bears at home
what a weekend, I hope for cubs wins decided by the sixth and the football game to be over by halftime!  C'mon Z!

by Les Lancaster on Sep 14, 2007 3:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"Z" I believe
is the key tonight. Get us a good solid start, don't go to the bullpen early ( 4 games 3 days )and that important first win of a series, and oh, put the Cards back another game.

Lets have a good night Cubs.

by Johnny Callison was a Cub on Sep 14, 2007 3:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And don't forget...
... Let's Go Reds!!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes yes yes!!! Go Big Red Machine!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: Yes yes yes!!! Go Big Red Machine!!!
Aw c'mon, dude. Repeating yourself already? You're losing your edge.
Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 14, 2007 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That picture will never lose it's edge.
And neither will I.

Represent.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the link, Al
I tried to have some fun with that (sore) subject. Our "dead tree" edition, as you call it, has a really nice presentation. We separate my fictional news stories from my commentary with italic type. Our desk and graphics people did a great job.

by Bruce Miles on Sep 14, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wish...
... they could make that sort of presentation on the website. It was clear what you were doing, but they could have set off the "what if" from the "reality" text in some way.

Fun article!

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

War of the Worlds syndrome
In reality much of what was written would have happened. Living with Baker and McPhail would be horrible, plus Sosa would still be here,
Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh... but would it have been worth it?
Would you be willing to live with Baker, McPhail, and of course His Samminess, if it meant parading that World Series trophy around Wrigley Field, Chicago, and John Kass' desk?

What price, a Cubs fan's soul?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is...
... that if the Cubs had indeed won, that the management in charge would have produced the winner we all have longed for.

No matter what successes or failures they would have had in the future, they'd always have had that title, just as Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen have theirs.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But
they didn't win, in part because the management in charge wasn't good enough.  The bullpen on that team was too thin and Dusty just isn't a good enough manager to win the big one, IMO.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce Miles' Article
Kent Mercker isn't the only one who has had a big F-U for Stone.

What that article really does is spotlight how much different, like night and day, it is for the Cubs with Piniella as opposed to Baker. Who would have thought a guy in his early to mid 60's would be such a breath of fresh air for this team? The turn around has really been remarkable.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 14, 2007 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's interesting that Bruce
Doesn't tell us what the Cubs did against the Yankees.

Also, it's total fiction to write "spectacular catch" and "made by" and "Moises Alou" in the same sentence.

You'll never convince me Alou catches the ball anyway.

I might not be on much tonight. I am literally going to be frothing at the mouth by the first pitch.

So, for Al's sanity, I'm going to try to stay away from my computer.

by lancaster99 on Sep 14, 2007 3:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL
LITERALLY frothing at the mouth? Make sure you have your rabies shots.

;)

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, you didn't get the memo?
"Literally" now means "figuratively."  The jury is still out on what word replaces "literally."
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 14, 2007 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.
How about "jambalaya". Could that be the replacement?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm
I jambalaya have no idea what you are talking about.
big leaguers all look down on us because of all that goat curse fuss maybe we should end that silly curse today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMuC-JUlEY

by joeschmitt on Sep 14, 2007 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even
a game and a half lead this late is a big deal!  Need to see some good Big Z tontight!
Bulls 402 ta zip... but Micheal Jordan will be held to under 200 points. - Todd O'Connor

by Lou In Blue on Sep 14, 2007 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

offense
If we get beat, it will be 1-0 or 2-1 or 3-2 or the like.  We need the offense to score 6 or more and take some pressure off the pitching.

by milo on Sep 14, 2007 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Assuming
there isn't a Zambrano meltdown in the 5th inning, God forbid.

by JFCubFan on Sep 14, 2007 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs vs Red Sox in 03
I can't recall if it was SI or ESPN but one of them did a great bit
at the time of the Cubs/Red Sox World Series that never happened. The thing I remember best and still cracks me up was an irate Pedro Martinez tossing Darren Baker ( who had wandered on to the field) into the stands where he is miraculously caught by J.T Snow.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 4:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember that...
but I do remember the SI issue from 1994 where they played out the rest of the season and the Cubs ended up winning in 7 games.  I don't remember the details, but I'm sure it's still sitting in my closet at my grandparents' house.

Here's the cover...

http://dynamic.si.cnn.com/si_online/covers/issues/1994/0822.html

by grogg2434 on Sep 14, 2007 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NYC cub fans tonight
I'm going to catch at least the first half of the game at Standings Bar if any other BCBers in NYC are without Extra Innings.  Show up around 8 if you want to get in on the free pizza they have!  (www.standingsbar.com)  7th St and 2nd ave (43 7th st).

by Mr Snrub on Sep 14, 2007 4:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the offer but I will stay in
I can't hide under the covers or channel surf the scary parts
at a bar. I got my dish so I will  make it. However maybe we should plan a night out ( or in if you want me to host in my little hovel ). I like the East Village but I live in the West Village so
I generally tread over there for cheap good food.
Enjoy the free pizza, I am econimizing with leftovers to cover
my trips to Chicago & Cincy for the following two weekends
Anyway other NYC folks lets get together before the end of the season.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool
all right- let's keep a get together in mind for later in september.  i'm going to be overseas for hte first two weeks of october, so i'll be up early watching the games and will be back for the NLCS and the WS, if need be.

by Mr Snrub on Sep 14, 2007 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep me updated too, i'm in brooklyn
would love to meet some fellow cubs fans

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 14, 2007 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Thanks for the notice.  I'm sorry I missed it -- got last minute tickets to the Phillies-Mets game.

by John Q Freejazz on Sep 14, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What to watch for with Z
It was noticed by advanced scouts that for some reason Z's arm slot had fallen against left handers going lower and flattening out his ball.

If Z is right, he will have elevated his arm slot and throw his fastball and slider that dips out of one plain into another.

If he is wrong he gets hit or he can't throw strikes.

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 4:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say this series is where we find out...
if the wheels are coming off or not.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're ...
Very handy with the art today, SWL ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been called worse than handy...thanks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why
 but when Zambrano pitches I fell it necessary to do a pre-game double check on the beer count in the fridge.

by jimhickman on Sep 14, 2007 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I trust you keep a supply of 200 proof
stuff for the bullpen.
"It's the Cubbies. There's always a vibe. It's the greatest vibe in baseball." Greg Maddux on Cub fan's optimism even after the 06 debacle.

by jessica on Sep 14, 2007 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I find
 that after enough beers I become convinced that Bruce Sutter is the Cubs close so I look forward to Leo comming out and making that call to the pen.

by jimhickman on Sep 14, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who issues the first ...
Hit batsman tonight?  I cannot believe Lou has forgotten that garbage La Russa was throwing at DeRo on Monday ... hehehe ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say we knock'm all out...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you know ...
Pujols will whine like a girl if he gets hit.  He's such a baby.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know its off topic
but O.J. Simpson does Vegas!

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14112984/detail.html

I like the part where he said it was a sting operation to get memorabilia that was stolen from him!! hahah, try and lie your way out of this OJ..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My question is ...
Who the hell really wants to see the suit he was acquitted in?  Freakin' beyond freaks.

LRRF

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups
Cubs:
  1. A Soriano, LF
  2. R Theriot, SS
  3. D Lee, 1B
  4. A Ramirez, 3B
  5. C Floyd, RF
  6. M DeRosa, 2B
  7. J Jones, CF
  8. J Kendall, C
  9. C Zambrano P
Cardinals:
  1. A Miles, 2B
  2. R Ankiel, RF
  3. A Pujols, 1B
  4. J Edmonds, CF
  5. S Schumaker, LF
  6. Y Molina, C
  7. B Ryan, 3B
  8. A Wainwright, P
  9. D Eckstein, SS

by gocubs40 on Sep 14, 2007 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see D-Lee back.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More thoughts...
Percota has the Cubs 58% chance of winning the division, Brewers 40%.

I have gone through the schedule and it appears to me that 83 wins would demand a playoff (if lucky) and 84 wins also would demand a playoff...

Cubs will need to exceed 85 wins and 86 will assure a division title of probably 2 games...

My thoughts are that the Brewers will now go 10-7 (taking 2/3 against Cincinnati & @Houston, losing 3/4  @Atlanta, sweeping the crashing Cards, and then splitting the four with SD.

That would mean the Cubs will need to go 11-5, 3/4 @StL, 2/3 Cinci, 2/3 Pitts, 2/3 @FL and 2/3 @Cincinnati. 11-5 wins it outright with 2game difference.  

Winning this game is key to the finish

Milw-09-23-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 14, 2007 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True ...
The Cubs are in control of their own destiny.  To stay that way, they gotta keep winning.  Still, I'm too scared to look!

LRRF

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love it
ESPN ignores the best rivalry in baseball (Cubs-Cards) to broadcast Yankees-Red Sox, again.  So who do they send to broadcast it?  A former Cubs manager and a former Cubs pitcher.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 6:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN should change it's name to...
...YRSN (Yankees Red Sox Network).
You can't quiet THE RIOT (riotshirts.com)

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 14, 2007 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh
this game tonight for the Cubs means more than this

and they are showing TWO Red Sox - Yankees games. Show alittle respect for the Cubs, please..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Dustbin ...
Is in the booth ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They already are that network.
The Eastern Seaboard Programming Network. Isn't that what the letters stand for?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 14, 2007 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a wonderful world it would be
if there were 162 Yankee-Red Sox games every season.

by JFCubFan on Sep 14, 2007 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't wait for tonight's game........
I Love Baseball in Autumn.

Go Cubs !!!

Go Z  !!!

by coral on Sep 14, 2007 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The time is NOW! Let's widen our lead!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 14, 2007 6:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yikes!
That looks like my friend the erotica writer!  Eeeeek!

Go Cubbies!

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
these are getting kind of old, imo
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any Tean Can Have A Bad Century
Here's the world's longest link. These shirts are on ebay. I have no financial stake here whatsoever. I just happened to see them and thought some people might be interested.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZwatdog77QQssPageNameZMERCQ5fVICQ5fRCRXQ5fPr4Q5fPcN Q5fQ5fSI

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 14, 2007 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How we feeling tonite boys and girls??
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll know more ...
After a Cubs' victory.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen to that!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too funny ...
The Cardinals' announcers have just stated, "We're in a pennant race!"  Obviously, they haven't met that sometimes-bitter thing called Reality.

Go, Cubbies!

Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 7:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well that was strange
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 14, 2007 7:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That HGH
sure is helping Ankiel's defense too.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano has walked six times...
...to lead off an inning after that.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 14, 2007 7:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?
Why move Theriot back up to #2?

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

record against wainwright
He has beat the snot out of Wainwright in his career.  Len said it was either him or Jones #2 tonight.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have the pitch count?
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

22 in the first
I'm disappointed they did not score, but Wainwright does not look unbeatable out there.  And the deeper they can get into the Cardinal bullpen, the more amusing the DH might become.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the Cards 'pen
They have the 4th best bullpen ERA in the NL.  Score off the starters who are the 2nd worst.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gracias Amigos
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cinci up
4-0 in the first.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Floyd!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 7:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Missed Opportunity
Man Wainwright was vulnerable there.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 7:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Riot
must feel as if he's cursed....

by chucolo on Sep 14, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tight K zone tonight
from McClelland.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i hate how zambrano
throws alot of pitches early..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

9 pitches to the lead-off man
I wish the Cubs had more 8-10 pitch ABs when they are hitting.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

does this ump
plan to call a strike tonight??
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And HGH boy STILL strikes out
Can't wait until he's back on the bus to the Quad Cities.

by lancaster99 on Sep 14, 2007 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talent
I think that we've found something that anKiel does well!

Is HGH useful to a guy who can't make contact?

"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Sep 14, 2007 7:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

.270
I think that nobody in the Cubs lineup tonight is hitting under .270 as a Cub.  (They don't have Kendall's AL-NL split on Gameday)  

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

take pitches tonight!!
No, Mark - take a few pitches.  There's barely any strike zone...

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ben sheets sure looks like an ace tonight
huh?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

feel like we let Wayne Right
off the hook in the first.....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

*Sigh*
Can we wait on stuff like this at least until the second inning is over, please?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just a comment NBF
Am I not allowed that in your rose colored world?
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It isn't "rose colored"
To make a statement like that after one inning is, dare I say, idiotic.

Maybe by the sixth or seventh, if Wainwright has mowed down the Cubs in order, it might be more appropriate.

Why don't you relax and enjoy the game?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am enjoying it....quite a bit in fact
Perhaps you have never witnessed a good pitcher struggle in the first inning and then get stronger as the game goes along....

Isnt this a forum for commentary not personal critisims?

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All commentary isn't created equally
If you say something that's dead wrong, I'm free to point that out.

Someone disagreed with me below. And he was free to disagree, too.

Like I said, why don't you wait until the seventh inning or so before you call this one over, which is basically what you did in the bottom of the second? At least then you'd have more of a point.

Sheesh.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you see "its over" in my commentary?
No you didnt, you made a uninformed assumtion on my commentary combined with a personal attack.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That certainly was the implication
in your post.

If you don't want to open yourself up for personal attack, then you shoud post something other than a hanging curve ball.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if you can't take the trouble
to at least spell the pitcher's name correctly, maybe you should think about a few other things before you post, too.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we let wayneright off the hook in the first.
That's a fact, how it will impact the game? No one knows...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that's the case
but enough.

I forgot how much fun it was NOT to read the game threads the last two days, and how much fun it was to read the hyperventilation over nothing afterward.

I think I'll go back to doing that.

And you still can't spell the pitcher's name correctly.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and just because it bothers you
WAYNERIGHT.

I'll worry about spelling names right when you stop the personal insults.

Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wayne-wrong
And the hits just keep on coming.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now 5-0 Reds
another jack, didn't catch who it was

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 7:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano's
stupid steal attempt could loom large.  That had no chance and it cost the Cubs at least 1 run in that inning.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was worth a try
And if he made it, he'd look like a genius. Molina made a nice play.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
It wasn't worth a try.  Molina's the best in the league at throwing out runners and Soriano's burst hasn't been there since the injuries.  And Wainwright was struggling with his command.  It was stupid.  Very stupid.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps
His burst has been coming back but hasn't been seen up to this point. If Wainwright was struggling with his command, that's even more reason to do it, since odds are Molina wouldn't be able to make a decent throw.

It was not very stupid. Relax.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was stupid.
Very stupid.  His burst obviously hasn't been coming back.  You could see it in the replay.  He was out by a mile and the pitch was a breaking ball.  And Molina is the best in the league.  It had no chance to work.  You're absolutely wrong here.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't term it "very stupid"
but in the grand scheme of things, it probably won't matter much, anyway.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that?
Can you tell me tonight's lottery numbers too?  

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could
but why would I want anybody else to know? :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA HA
Good one.
Shawn Johnson, Des Moines, IA, worlds greatest gymnast. 2007 All Around World Champ. GO SHAWN!!!!

by sue369 on Sep 15, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not in that situation
With two out, absolutely.  

But with one out, I have to think that if we can all spot that the HP ump has a tight strike zone, then the advance scouts know that as well.

Plus, it's one of the flying Molina brothers back there, not Mike Piazza or Jason Kendall.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But is it worth
making the third out in that spot?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

With two out, yes
With Ramirez up, I'd do it.  The odds of a CS are more profitable than the odds of (Ramirez getting an XBH OR Ramirez and Floyd both getting singles/walks)

Worst case is that Ramirez leads off the 2nd.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep
With 1 out and your 3rd and 4th hitters coming up (i.e. your run producers) you just can't run yourself out of an inning.  That was just dumb.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i hate edmonds
when is he going to get his Social Security deposits?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes
wAY TO WIGGLE off the line Z!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 7:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pitches through 2 - Z 35, W 33
For whoever it was who asked about pitch counts earlier...

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3 pitches
2 outs.  COME ON...take some pitches!!!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

aaarggghhhhh
What part of "the Cardinals bullpen for four games" does this team not understand.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

soriano
take some damn pitches!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
Wainwright tired himself out running the bases.  LET'S GET SOME RUNS!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done Z
now let's put up some runs (and how about working some counts?!?!?)!

by cubrandy on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano
needs to stop worrying about trying to pitch a no-hitter.  Every time he comes off the mound after giving up his first hit, he looks pissed.  Remember what Lou said..."It's OK to win a game 6-2."

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I see runs this inning
Open the flood gates...now!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kids stop yer squabblin'
Sheets out after 3, Capuano starts the 4th..5-0 Reds

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 7:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tee hee
What's with the bottom of this division?  They play like garbage most of the time, then they wake up against the top of the division.

But I'll take it!

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just so long as
the Reds revert to the mean starting Monday.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
In 2004 the Reds swept the Cubs at Wrigley, effectively ending their playoff hopes.  Lets hope they cool down next week.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah Ramirez!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow floyd good job
1 pitch, one out..thats getting the job done..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn .333 hitter this month
How dare you make an out.  And on one pitch too!  How can we get to their bullpen who have a run and a half better ERA than their starters?  Darn!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now, now, CC
Sorry that post isn't "rose colored" enough for you. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cmon guys
Get some runs before they get their bullpen involved.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on DeRo
Just a hit!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hice hitting
1-0!

Ok Z, now you have your lead, so relax.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

love the two out RBI!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

thank you DeRosa~
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!
DERO!!!!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1-0 CUbs
Smmmmmoken!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay Z
Have fun adn relax. Mown them down!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSSSS!!!!!!!!
Double Play. I love it.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

good job edmonds!
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes.
Bust it open Cubbies. Great start to the night.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Theriot to DeRosa to Lee....
...really doesn't roll off the tongue, does it.

by mistersite on Sep 14, 2007 8:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

dp
Sweet!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hrbosky and the other d-head
pander to the home audience "We're in it!!"
Put them out of their misery...do it soon. Z's on his game....put a 4-spot up NOW.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They
might be the worst announcers in the league.  They've got almost no chemistry, lots of dead air, and they add nothing in the way of analysis.  I can't remember when I've heard worse.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boring as hell ...
What's weird is that Hrobosky had such personality on the mound and in the booth, he's got zip.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cory hart is starting to make me mad
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is he doing ...
His best Ryan Braun impression?
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and prince fielder has to be hanging out
with ankiel
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rather quiet in here tonight....
...Cubs must be winning, eh?    :-)

Hawk, you here?

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

spiezo looks like a tool
especially with that crappy piece of "hair" on his chin..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shut up!
it's a soul patch, OK??????

by cubs2234 on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Friday night
Cubs up 1-0
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just got home and turned on the TV....
How'd the Cubs get their run?
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ankiel ...
Overplayed a ball, DeRo drove A-Ram in ...
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRo drove A-Ram in
Thanks...
is Z pitching well then?
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
Ankiel had a chance on that.  Ramirez's double was hit pretty hard.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True ...
But you gotta give Ankiel an Oscar nod for his play.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeRosa
hit a 2 out flare to left.  Drove in Aramis after a ground rule double.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That portly 1B man
hit a dinger -- 5-2 Reds.

This FSN Midwest team is pretty bad (No Buck) but it doesn't come close to the crap that SD or the Chisox run out there on TV. Hrabosky is a shill, and the pbp guy has his pom poms and is just average.

I understand the home audience is the target, but there's no reason to be stupid. ("Would somebody E-mail us and tell us who started the game for the Brewers??")

Rank minor league -- have your producer look it up, you idiot.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The brewers are LOSING too?!! COOL!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

66 through 5 for Z
I know Lou is going to want to pull him early today because he's going to go on three days rest against the Reds - maybe even before 100 pitches.  But I'd really like to see Z get through 7 before turning it over to the bullpen.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too
I would think Marmol may be unavailable tonight since he went 2 innings last night.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only bummer for ME is I gotta watch the game
listening the Cards comms....(yuk!)
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

not alone Blue
thankfully this is the only time we must access  FSN Midwest -- WGN/Comcast on sat, WGN Sun.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WGN/Comcast on sat, WGN Sun
Sounds like a made-to-order weekend Jazz Man.

Maybe DA Bearsss will right their ship too and stomp KC...?   (fingers crossed)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chiefs are screwed
O line losses for 2 straight years + inexperienced QB, and that O is gonna be poor this year.

Damn you ALBERT!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.
They suck.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z
isnt dominating.  I think he is getting squeezed a bit, but he is hanging tough and not giving up any lasers.  

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

he is hanging tough and not giving up any lasers
That's good to know....thanks CC.

From what I've seen already, it looks like a tight one tonight.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick somebody tell Dane Cook
Cabrera and the Marlins won't be playing in October...

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they show the Marlins
but not the Cubs who are actually in a race?
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

who picks Dane Cook to sell October baseball?
He should be fired.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be
MLB Advanced Media, who bring you mlb.com. You see, Dane Cook is bringing in a younger 'demographic.' Dane Cook is without talent, but that's besides the point.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh
cubs hitting the ball well..just not getting anytging good..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't want to start a squabble
But the 1st inning can be a turning point -- why can't it be? It would have been nice to come out of that inning with the first run of the game...
2-0 looms large w/Z. But 1-0 is wafer thin, since Wainwright has turned his night around.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

careful there, NBF will be all over you for having
an opinion.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My opinion is
You should learn how to spell.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the issue never was
Whether Wainright was let off the hook.

It was making that observation IN THE SECOND INNING.

But I'm sure this distinction is lost on you.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBF
told everyone the first inning won't matter.  He can predict the future.  Move along...nothing more to see here.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently
JB can tell the future, too, because he was telling everybody it was, essentially, the end of the game.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad
didn't want to kick start anything. My point is I hate after the game to look back and realize the first inning was the key to the game. It's so obvious when something comes late -- but early in the game, people tend to shrug it off.

All 9 are meaningful.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, SDSJM
Your point is a valid one -- one that, in hindsight, can been seen.

My problem was with people essentially calling it after the second inning goes 1-2-3.

I think I even pointed out that jb should wait until the sixth or seventh to make such an observation, if it's to have any validity.

You're one of the best posters around here, so coming from you, now, this makes more sense.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanx
Last night was a good example. Woody Williams got his act together after the first -- but that inning, essentially -- decided the game.

Greg Maddux made a career out of that. So many times, he sucked in the 1st -- but if he was able to wriggle off the hook, so to say -- he'd control the game.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

your pure comedy....
we let him off the hook then and now anyone would agree, except you who looks to pick an arguement for arguemnts sake.
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not you jazz man...nbf
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see punctuation
isn't your strong suit, either.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One run might be enough
The way Z is pitching...Cubs are hitting.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One run might be enough
...guess not....   (bummer)

I dislike Poo-holes greatly.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice play by The Riot there...
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by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HGH out again
 
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Poo holes...
what a schmuck!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doggone POOH HOLES!!!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on, pujols?
why aren't we walking that guy yet. make someone else do it. arg.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pujols
eff you..go take some more hgh from ankiel while your running around the bases..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Len said he was in a slump
After the HR, Len said it had been something like 75 AB without a HR.

I can live with that - it's Albert Freaking Pujols, not Neifi!  It's going to happen.  And Z has been good over his career against Pujols.

Now the question is whether Z will keep it together, or freak out.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish Pujols would disappear
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...me too Hawk.
Waddup dude - how's lynnwood tonight?
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't complain! Love how its finally cooling off
around here. Getting to be football weather
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting to be football weather
Yep.
And whatEVER the case is, you and I GOTTA hook up for the seachickens / Bearsss game in November!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt bro!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Solo shot
Better then 2 or 3.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly...
Now if we could get our bats warmed up
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Floyd gets it back!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff Floyd is HOTTT
sizzlin.....

by bloomerang on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CLIFFY!!!!
Does it again!!  3 nights in a row!

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Uncle Cliffy is red hot!!!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cliff is on fire!!
who'd have taken odds on Cliff hitting 3 HR in all of September, much less in three straight games?

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

floyd. yes!!!!!!
belted. is that three games in a row? floyd is now carrying us.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

floyd!!!
where has his power been all year!

needed that!

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OH CLIFFY
Stay HOT baby!
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CLIFFY!!!!!!!
He's on a TEAR!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Floydy is feeling it!!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
When he returned at the beginning of the week, you could tell immediately that he was relaxed, feeling good, and totally focused at the plate. I'm actually not at all surprised by his past three games. I'm loving the timing of it, too.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And right about now
some hearts are sinking at Miller park
"I don't know what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't either." -David Letterman to Bill O'Reilly

by hipster17 on Sep 14, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CF
Hot man on campus!!!!
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 8:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now...
...is when I wish we didn't have to use Marmol yesterday

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

crafty baserunning there...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Heads up BR there Mr. Kendall....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

kendall on good
pinch hit? i think not!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Out in front
there Z.  Watch the high heat

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHA!! That was great...Z ALMOST broke
his bat...but then held up...
LOL!!   Too funny!
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it's soriano's bat.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looked like z was about to break soriano's bat
over his knee.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Carlos
Don't take that AB with you out to the mound.  1 more inning.

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't take that AB with you out to the mound
Word.

That's been Z's shortcoming, especially as of late.

Just stay focused is all I ask...

And with that LEE / Z combo, looks like he still is....(whew!)

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

z strikes out
but doesnt really matter

i say keep Z in as long as he wants to.

play to win today, not later..

Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Depending on how many pitches
Z has to go through, a complete game is NOT out of the question tonight.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

agree, with a DH tm'w
this game is so important...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Complete Game
Pitch count shouldnt be a problem.  Z is usually good for 120.  He is at 87 now.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that going to be it for Wainwright?
He's due up 4th this inning - I can't imagine that they'd let him hit if his spot comes up.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK....what are the odds
of that happening twice within 3 days.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

PROOF!!!
The worm has turned!

No more cheap singles!

Ha!

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ironic play...
guess they all even out!
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
What a play!!  

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's our quota of ground balls
off 1B for the season. Won't ever happen again.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs got away with one there...he was safe.
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

whats with the ball hitting the
damn bag lately
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 8:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol
wow, thats unbelievable
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Carlos
He has good movement.

But where has velocity gone tonight?  Is he cutting down on MPH on purpose for more movement?

by Ghost of Fred Merkle on Sep 14, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

94
He has gotten up to 94 on some 4 seamers.  Looks like the ump has loosened up on the corners a bit.  Z is looking good.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most likely Z will go eigth
but if he gets out of the 8th with less than 100 pitches, then he may go out for the 9th..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

those of you watching...
how is Z looking this late in the game?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful ...
He's probably around 95 pitches, maybe a little more.  So far, Big Z is getting the job done and keeping the bullpen out of the action.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's actually at
88 pitches
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goodness ...
I had no idea he'd been so stingy last inning!  But that's a good thing.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z is only at 88
I suspect he'll go in the 8th until somebody gets on base, but maybe not the 9th.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

is the bullpen
going yet?
You gotta practice on the ugly ones to get good with the good-lookin' ones

by rustydevil on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice 1-2-3 for Z in the 7th...
...yeah....I'd say he could go the whole game at this point...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 8:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
I LOVE YOU CARLOS!!!!!!!  YOU'RE MY HERO!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OK!!
Let's say the Cubs cannot score  in the 8th and 9th....it's still 2-1....Z has a good 8th....a quick inning....does he go out to the 9th??

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking ...
Lou will go with Dempster.  I'd like to see Z try for a CG, but I doubt that'll happen.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say no, based on
Dempster is rested and Lou hasnt allowed anyone (I think) go for the CG...
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marquis at the beginning of the year
pitched a 1-0 shutout..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z also
Z also pitched a complete game in June.  Unfortunately he lost 0-1 to the Padres.  The famous D-Lee fight game.

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

um
hell yah!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin
Ok, let's see Franklin go 20-22 pitches tonight so he's out of both games of the DH tomorrow.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 8:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yea we gotta keep him in there
...give Traxie another start Wed. instead of pushing Z up a day...gotta win now go up 1.5 be huge with just 15 to play...don't trust Demp with a one-run lead anyway hope we add another.

Theriot's avg. really dipping below .270 now hope he gets one of DH off...Cedeno has some pop bet he'd get some hits if got a few days in there...granted, like Theriot's overall heads-up play but he's burnt toast at plate lately.

by writerinwrigley on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Here comes the Cards 'pen
Thank goodness we have the lead before they came in.

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 8:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z has thrown 88 pitches
and an extra days rest. He should get thru the last 2.
We will see some beautiful things come the fall.

by Me and Lou WS 07 on Sep 14, 2007 8:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but
he can get through tonight but can he get through 3 days rest for more than 5 innings?

by ak123 on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he CGs tonight, Wednesday is interesting
He probably still pitches Wednesday instead of Friday, but he probably does not go past 5 under ANY circumstances.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could, but Lou wants him on 3 days rest
in his next game (Wednesday) to set up for the rest of the season, with the off day on Thursday.  Otherwise, he loses a start.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zero chance
he goes nine.
Tinker to Evers to Chance.

by Matt Allison on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals Announcers
When I got home early in the game, I had to turn the sound down because they were badmouthing Carlos (who has won a lot more recently than the Cardinals, IIRC).

Now, they just sound forlorn.

Hold it together, Carlos.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Being an old school guy
if this 8th is good, I let him back out on a short leash in the 9th.

I'm looking at some of 70's Cubs scorecards, it appears somebody has pitched a complete game in almost every one. (I've found about 15, I know I have more in another box)

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks ump!
3rd base ump just rung up Jenkins on a check swing and then threw him out of the game!  Throw out Yost too!  C'mon!

by californiachicagoan on Sep 14, 2007 9:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1 out..
come on..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2 outs
Z is on fire!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hart...
i hate that guy..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bullpen activity?
I stick with Z
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z with his game of the year.....
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody
...didn't take their dose of HGH today.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes!
101 pitches, 1 inning LEAVE HIM IN!
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whew.
Alright.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z looks like he's just cruisin' out there....
I would not be surprised to see him complete the game...
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HGH
forgot to take his HGH tonight .  . .

by CZ38 on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!
ACE!!!!!!!!!

by cubsbak on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about some
runs.  Give Z a little cushion.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love how excited the SHit bird fans got on that
fly ball
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 14, 2007 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YESSS
F the Brewers take care of the Cards now!! Then put the pressure on them he he.
6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3 top 8
Reds on top.

by JakeH on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3 Brewers
but only two innings left to play for the hitters..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

5-3
reds that is..
Now that he is back, play Matt Murton!!

by Chanman25 on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We give the "World Champions"
too much credit -- the Astros line-up (OK, except Poo-Holes) is stronger.

This line-up didn't win a World Series, and has lost 7 in a row.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

With Pujols leading off, leave Z in
I think it's better to assume that you're going to only get 55-60 pitches out of Z on Wednesday and 40 pitches out of Traschel, than let somebody other than Z pitch to Pujols to start the 9th.

If Pujols gets on, pull Z then.  Otherwise, leave him in.

Of course, if Kendall triples or homers, then I pull Z.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stupid gameday...
I thought Kendall was leading off....  But if they get a run, Lou has to pull Z.

by Invalid User on Sep 14, 2007 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question...
is Gameday accurate with fly ball locations? I'm asking because it shows the Ankiel flyball right at the 390 mark...

by baglesshound on Sep 14, 2007 9:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It went deep,
But before the warning track.
Coming soon: "The Russian Diplomat's Daughter: A Novel About George Armstrong Custer"

by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 14, 2007 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pie
is due.