Postseason Hopes And Dreams... And Facts
When I was driving to work early this morning, this thirty-plus-year-old song came on the radio:
Dream yourself a dream come true
Dream on, dream on, dream on
And dream until your dream comes true -- Aerosmith
That's what we are doing, all of us, dreaming of more victories to come. With the magic number (I thought it was, at last, safe to return it to the sidebar) reduced to four, the division could be clinched as early as Wednesday in Miami (eerily appropriate, right?), or perhaps in front of what are likely to be huge Cub-centric crowds in Cincinnati this weekend.
A quick look at the potential matchups: the most likely scenario has the Cubs facing the Diamondbacks in the Division Series, with games one and two in Phoenix on Wednesday, October 3 and Thursday, October 4, before returning to Chicago on October 6 and 7 for games three and four; then, under the new playoff schedule, there would be another travel day before game 5 -- this is a good idea, I think. In the past there have been Division Series where teams have been forced to fly cross-country and play the next day.
The only way the Cubs could get the home field for the first round is if the Diamondbacks retained the best record in the NL, and somehow, the Cubs managed to finish with a better record than the NL East champion. At this moment, the Cubs trail the Mets, the current NL East leader, by four and a half games (the elimination number for this scenario is three, so it's very unlikely).
Further, the Cubs could wind up playing the Mets in the first round if the Phillies beat out the Padres for the wild card -- still possible, as the Phillies trail the Padres by only half a game. Even the Rockies still have a wild card chance; their win yesterday, their eighth in a row (setting a franchise record for wins), put them a game and a half behind the Padres. If Colorado should win the wild card, and the Diamondbacks retain the NL's best record, the Cubs would still play Arizona in round one.
This, then, will be an exciting last week of the season in the NL (the AL berths are all wrapped up -- only the AL East and wild card are to be determined between the Red Sox and Yankees, one will be the division winner, the other the wild card), with six teams within 1.5 games of a playoff spot (that includes the division leaders).
A brief word, if I may, about this site and postseason tickets. I have for the last three seasons provided a place on this site where people can exchange tickets. It's worked quite well for those with extras, who have been matched up with people looking for tickets, all at face value. I fully understand that some people may have playoff tickets that, for whatever reason, they can't use and want to sell, and wish to make extra money from them. That said, I cannot and will not allow BCB to be used for over-face-value ticket sale posts. I'm also going to ask all of you NOT to post diaries asking for tickets -- as you can imagine, that might quickly overrun the diary list. I have made a Division Series ticket exchange post, which is located in the Ticket Exchange section of this site (always located on the left sidebar). If it gets too crazy in there, I reserve the right to delete it.
Congratulations to those of you who got through and got tickets yesterday. If you didn't, remember this: the Division Series is just one of three playoff rounds; maybe you'll get lucky the next time.
In the meantime, there is still work to be done, a division to be clinched in the next few days, and as he has done all season, Lou Piniella has his team focused on that goal:
"But, look, the important thing is getting it done. So we're going to go to Florida on Tuesday and give it everything we've got, like we've been doing, and take our chances."
Exactly right. I wasn't in favor of Lou's hiring a year ago... but he's won me over. I don't think I've ever seen a Cub manager as prepared, as knowledgeable, as willing to make changes when necessary, as focused on the goal of winning, as Lou Piniella is. He has done a tremendous job, and was, in retrospect, exactly the right man to hire for this ballclub. Take a look at this quote from Pirates manager Jim Tracy that I've put in the quote box on the right sidebar today:
Focused and on a mission. Exactly right. Enjoy the off day. Go Cubs.
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Count me in
At the beginning of the year in Lou's press conferences, he started to win me over by saying the right things. As the season opened and went on, I began to trust him more and more (even though we weren't winning and playing well) because I could see why he was hired. I have to say I stand here red-faced because I didn't want him as the manager for the Cubs. His hiring has GOT to count as one of the best offseason deals the Cubs did last year. I honestly don't think that we would be in this position if Lou wasn't here (among a few other key signings).
I know he only signed a 3 year deal, but I'm all for him being extended for as long as he wants! I may be a Johnny-Come-Lately in the Lou camp, but hey, better late than never!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
If Dusty were still managing, Cesar Izturis (f/k/a Neifi Perez) would still be playing most of the time, with Theriot sitting on the bench. Fontenot would be at Triple A. And we would be ten games under .500.
Amen
AL
Still work to do.....GO CUBS
favorites
i think cleveland looks like the best team in the al, though all of those teams are pretty formidable. boston probably has a better roster, but cleveland has great balance, and a better 1-2 in the rotation.
the mets scare me the most in the nl, pretty much based on the fact that pedro is back and looks good.
The Mets...
During spring training I thought the Angels were by far the best team I saw, and possibly the best team in baseball. I haven't seen anything that's changed my mind.
yeah but
personally, i have total faith in this cubs team no matter who we square off against, but the mets still scare me the most.
Agree...
Either way it appears the Cubs are on a collision course for some historical revenge ('69 or '84). After that, give us the Yankees in the WS. Of course that will ensure that us non-season ticket holders will have no chance of attendin a game.
by Kyle Turney on Sep 24, 2007 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Favorites will be determined after the first game
But what is clear to me is the favorite will be determined after the first game of the series, if the Cubs win they will be the favorite to win the series and if AZ wins they will be the favorite.
As for AZ, SD, and CO. CO is white hot right now and they go to LAD to see if they can extend their improbable push. They could take all three in LA...while Philly goes to Atlanta and SD goes to SF while AZ gets to travel to empty Pitts. By the weekend one can ably project that CO and Philly are one game out where SD is in dangerous Milwaukee, CO is playing a clinched AZ and Philly is playing the dangerous but lowly Washington. Could a three-way tie emerge?
colorado
Colorado's kids have been tough.
They're unlikely to win the wildcard, but they picked the right time to get really hot vs. the teams leading them in the division.
by ClosingTime on Sep 24, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Unlikely of course...they are 2 down in the loss
They are pitching short, and rely on Hawkins and Fuentes, Corpas closing in the bullpen. But they have a great hitting team. No weaknesses. Besides Holliday, Hawpe, Helton (the 3 H's) Atkins at 3B, they also have Tulowitzke and Spillborghs as very young and other young big bats in Stewart and Kochansky who can't get in. Also Taveras is essentially replaced after trading for him while Matsui is at 2B has speed. They have a young Francis, Jimenez and experienced Fogg as starters.
They are a little better than Milwaukee, better defense in the OF and on the infield and would be the Cinderella story. BTW they broke their club record with 84 wins yesterday and feel they have to reach 89 to force a tie with Philly or SD.
I concur with Al
That being said, the Mets don't scare me. We can play them and beat them. I do like Demps, but I wouldn't gamble with putting him in to close out the games against them in this series. Wait til next year to have him do that. The only team that does scare me right now is the Baby Backs. They seem to have our number, but we have an advantage over them. That advantage being veterans who have been through playoffs before and can lead this team - Lee, Aram, Sori, Floyd, Wood, to name a few. SD would be the next scariest team we'd have to face, what with Maddux, Peavy, and Young (and Hoffman closing).
One nice thing about the postseason is that it's a new season and everyone starts out with a clean slate. Like Tracy said, this team is a buzzsaw that's on a mission. I say let's cut through the playoff and saw off that Goat off our back!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
pedro, glavine, maine
Perhaps...but....
It really doesn't matter who we face first (or second or third) because it's going to be a hard-fought series no matter what. I still like our chances and especially since we're getting hot at the right time. Shades of last year's WS champs, wouldn'tcha say?
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Arizona's staff
Agree, and
He's a good post season pitcher, and despite his regular season troubles, certain players always rise to the occassion.
I am not a big Hendry fan
Piniella has a feel for the game and players abilities better than any manager I have ever seen in this town, and let's hope the momentum, is just starting to build.
For those of you who said Z wanst the staff Ace
by Alfonso on Sep 24, 2007 9:20 AM CDT reply actions
On "Mike and Mike" this morning
I nearly choked on my Cheerios. Um, hello, anyone ever heard of the friggin YANKEES?
by Teacherdave on Sep 24, 2007 9:22 AM CDT reply actions
mike and mike...
Golic's a football dummy
rami isn't exactly a kid from our system,
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't include ARam as a kid from our system
ah, i've got to learn to read.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
by tomlambsays on Sep 24, 2007 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't Pittsburgh in our farm
dissmissing what?
Agree...
And if we win it all, i think it was worth it.
it was worth it even if we don't win it all
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
Hendry built this team using a good farm system, shrewd deals, and filling holes with free agents. How in the world is that buying a team? I can't stand The Score in the morning, but now I don't think I can respect Mike and Mike either. Guess it's the iPod playing Steve Goodman on repeat the whole way to work from now on.
by HectorVillanueva on Sep 24, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Mike and Mike
The media can't have it both ways- they can't say "the cubs are too cheap to spend money!" and when the cubs succeed yell "the cubs bought their success!"
by SouthsideCub on Sep 24, 2007 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I was 50/50 regarding Pinella/Girardi
answer...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Answer...
Complete day-by-day schedule from baseball-reference.com
We were 8 back on May 12
Oops, sorry, missed that!
Check out this website
wow, that's amazing.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Question...
by montanacubby on Sep 24, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
All this Cubs team needs right now...
This Pittsburgh series was simply and powerfully narcotic. I've never done heroin, but I can only imagine it feels a little like that warm glow I had sitting on my couch yesterday afternoon watching Wuertz put away those Pirates hitters 1, 2, 3.
We're almost back to that surreal, wonderful place, fellow Cubs fans. Where the Cubs are champions and Cubbie Blue greets the cool, crisp October air.
But, as Lou wisely indicated in his post-game conference yesterday, the key word there is "almost." Here's hoping to a strong, exhilarating, killer finish.
Piniella
That's the way to win games, series, playoffs, and, dare I even think it...
A liitle bit of injury business...
Oh, and Z needs to drink more Gatorade. Yeesh.
theriot
i think the
by tomlambsays on Sep 24, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
i disagree.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If you were watching the sentimental stroll in
My guess is that Cedeno plays the entire series...and Theriot gets maximum therapy....
My personal feeling on the matter...
re: My personal feeling on the matter...
Longshot
Just an idea.
Don't count on it
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
The rox.....
by bolson1076 on Sep 24, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I say the Rox is unlikely because
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Marlins vs Cubs
Thurs... compliments of buddies at ESPN Radio.
I watch Marlin quite a bit.... they have folded
the tent.... I look for the Cubs to win the first
two then lose the last game because they will be
hung over from celebrating the NLC Title they won
on Wed.
by FlaCub on Sep 24, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Managers do matter!
I was also a Girardi man, but Lou has also won me over. After 4 years of Dusty ball, where the primary goal of the manager was to be liked by his veteran players, it is enormously refreshing to see a manager who is focused on winning.
A good example of "Lou Ball" is Soto being moved into the starting lineup late in the season. Kendall has impressed me with his hustle and presence, but Lou obviously wanted to see if the team is stronger with Soto behind the plate, and so far it appears like we are a better team with Soto.
Can anyone imagine Dusty moving a young player into the lineup ahead of a vet in September??? (That is the definition of a rhetorical question)
I also like DeRosa 2nd and Theriot 8th, although I would prefer that either of them be inserted into the lead off spot ahead of Soriano.
The point is, that Sweet Lou has tinkered with this team all year, and the tinkering was done with a purpose in mind, namely to find out what line up gives us the best chance of winning. That is the goal which makes all other goals secondary....and it's made me a big Lou fan....
It's a great feeling to know Lou is in charge.
Suffice it to say, I no longer have that feeling. Lou knows more about baseball strategy, handling a pitching staff, and using his bench effectively than all of us combined. The one thing that I love most is Lou's killer instinct - in a close game, he will pick his moment and play to win the game right now - no holding back for extra innings in case things go wrong. Win the thing and hit the showers.
In recent years, we stewed in an impotent rage as we watched an incompetent doofus attempt to destroy the team's present and future in one fell swoop. Journeymen were eating up the high-leverage at-bats and innings pitched, at the expense of younger guys. Pitchers were racking up 130+ pitch outings at incredible rates (In 2003, I believe that the Cubs accounted for more than half of the 130+ pitch outings in MLB!), and on a day-to-day basis, the manager's moves seemed to be intentionally counter-intutive, as if he KNEW that the smart play was the opposite action, but thought that he'd look especially smart if his wacky strategy paid off.
Hence, the double-switches that resulted in the pitcher's spot coming up sooner, the double-switches in spots where the new pitcher would not pitch more than one inning, the refusal to acknowledge Jacque's huge troubles with lefties, or Remmy's reverse splits, or the fact that Jose Macias did nothing well, and was literally the worst player in MLB - the "800th man on the MLB roster", so to speak.
The old manager put players in spots where they were more likely to fail, for no reason. John Mabry replacing Jacque in RF due to an unnecessary double-switch, for instance. Lou puts his guys in situations where they are most likely to succeed - and every player on the roster knows their role.
Ultimately, the Cubs' losses in 2007 have been the result of the guys physically failing to execute. Those losses hurt, but they beat the hell out of last year's losses, in which we were often simply out-foxed - going down with the tying runs on base and our worst hitters at the plate. (In one case, bunting to end the game.)
It's a calming feeling to know that, when we lose, we absolutely gave it our best shot and left nothing on the field.
It's a calming feeling to know that our young players are being incorporated into the MLB club, granted opportunities, and upon succeeding, granted high-leverage opportunities.
It's a calming feeling to know that our manager is aware of the strengths and weakness of all 25 of his players, and that he believes in reasonably limited pitch counts.
This season will end in one of only two ways - Lou Piniella hoisting a World Series trophy, or Lou Piniella congratulating an opponent who played better baseball, either next Sunday or sometime thereafter.
We will not lose a winnable game because of managerial error.
by ClosingTime on Sep 24, 2007 10:53 AM CDT reply actions
Your analysis is spot on
The reality is that the players loved Dusty because he put no pressure on them, and allowed them to simply try their best.
Lou is the opposite- Lou says, I don't care if you feel pressure, just go out there and perform, or someone else IS going to replace you. Period.
While the players loved Dusty, the fans should love Lou.
by SouthsideCub on Sep 24, 2007 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
funny thing about managing or coaching
Players know this, they have a running score in their head when players perform and when they don't. Playing your guys...Dusty's mantra...works only if they produce....if they don't then what...
This is what is going on right now with the Bears. They got a QB not performing. Changes have to be made. So Lou plays those he says has a hot hand, those he has reason to believe will give the team the best chance at winning the game.
In that process he had to reclaim Eyre, work in Theriot, get Jones to produce and eak out a RF. As it stands both Murton and Floyd are having their best months. Lee has recovered and Ramirez has remained playably healthy.
great analogy
NLDS tickets @ Chase field
by 1060 W Addison on Sep 24, 2007 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks! I grabbed some too!
I got some as well.
If the Cubs are there
I am glad Al
I wanted him hired badly as I thought with the Superstars, and his knack for playing the hot hand, and not change-adverse, would be something the team would benefit from.
I still didn't think the team would be above .500, however. Improved - but not to the point they are now.
I have a bet to pay off here, fortunately!
Being there on Sunday, I saw a confident team that had all aspects of their game going at the same time - at the RIGHT time!
by TheEman on Sep 24, 2007 11:57 AM CDT reply actions
I couldn't agree more.
New cubbie fan on the way
Let's assume that this new bundle of joy is an omen for even better things the rest of this fall, and that our child will only know of the Cubs as that team that won the world series this time next year.
Go Cubs, can't wait for the last few days to play themselves out.
by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 24, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
Congratulations
GO CUBS!!!
There's now a kid named "Wrigley Fields"
I have a friend
I think
My yet to be conceived first child, which should be a girl by our prediction, is ear marked to be Addison. :-)
by love the ivy on Sep 25, 2007 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
congrats
Scott - if you're reading
by TheEman on Sep 24, 2007 11:59 AM CDT reply actions
Both good causes
I just bought a house, so it might be a stretch to do it, but if you let me know which you contribute to, I'll still try to match it to the other before the end of the year. Over .500 or not, still worth the money!
by Scott @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Sep 24, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
40+yrs as a Cub fan, seen only 4 really good mgrs
--Herman Franks, he got more out nothing than an expert fishing guide does out of an fished out lake. His teams hovered around .500 against better teams without much of a roster.
---Don Zimmer, he had already been successful in Boston and brought that kind of swagger and grit to Chicago. 93 wins is the club best beating Durocher's 92 in '69, although Durocher won 87, 84(2) and 82 games before being fired 2 games over .500.
Piniella is better than all of them in game strategy and tactics, motivation and situationally setting up the other manager. He really doesn't have a super starting staff like Durocher did with Jenkins, Holtzman, Hands and Selma or Pappas or the big threesome of Sutcliffe, Maddux and Bielecki that Zimmer had, he has Bipolar Zambrano, cool consistent Lilly, almost there Hill and the grinder Marquis. But Piniella has what Zimmer and Durocher did not have, 6 able arms in the bullpen, one a dominator.
He also has a mix-match lineup outside his big 3 or 4 (Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and versatile DeRosa), with good role players throughout.
Whomever noticed that Piniella goes for the win at different points is correct in game strategy in that he can with Marmol, Howry, Wuertz and now Eyre. When Guzman was right he him also. Nasty stuff they have and ironically the Cubs also get the most outs via the strikeout which has quietly placed this club as one of the best defensive clubs in my lifetime.
More importantly Lou has found the way to insert better defenders into the game when offense is less necessary with this bullpen. Pie and now Fuld are excellent OF'ers, Jones is not bad so when the outs are more important Lou can take them away.
He is the best manager in my lifetime. He is about team and ironically we now see this A-Rod rumor coming alive. A Jordan like ambition where AROD is seeking a back channel way to buy into the fraternity of owners. If true and part of the entire buyout this would change everything. A Rod would come in as the SS but also move to CF or RF as well. But what is interesting is that AROD is exploring playing for Lou.
another thread
its incredible to me how common the theme is:
Cubs win = Lou's responsibility
Cubs lose = Hendry's Fault or Players fault
its utterly amazing to me
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 24, 2007 12:14 PM CDT reply actions
You've been wrong all year, why stop now?
If you can't see the difference between last year's managerial strategy and this year's managerial strategy, then I don't know what to tell you.
Lou hasn't made the kinds of mistakes that the last guy did. As such, the games are being won and lost between the lines. When we lose, it's simply a case of not getting the job done. When we win, it's because the players execute. In both cases, the best possible player for the situation is usually at the plate or on the mound.
There was a similar change in strategy in the GM office - for instance, Hendry pursued difference-makers and built a legitimate MLB bench during this offseason, after specifically declining to do so for 2 1/2 years.
The players deserve credit for winning games this year. Lou deserves credit for putting the players in situations where they are most likely to succeed.
The former manager deserves derision, and a brief (but hilarious) stint in the broadcast booth watching other men manage games correctly while waiting in vain for his phone to ring, dude.
by ClosingTime on Sep 24, 2007 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
wrong?
in fact most "statistically inclined" people and websites predicted the exact same thing
and these predictions have nothing to do with managerial candidates, they have to do with personnel
the Cubs personnel was suggested to result in a 83-87 win team prior to the season
and it looks like that number will be pretty close to being accurate
I'm not "against Lou" as people like to pit me. My opinion is that managers make very little difference over the course of the season. That for the most part managers across MLB are pretty similar in their talents and thus the actual difference is minimal compared to the attention it gets in the mainstream media.
We decide to attach all these positive feelings to Lou because we've labelled him a "good manager". Notice these same things happened with Dusty when he first started and the Cubs had a team with tons of talent as well.
We label managers "good" or "bad" based on their past resumes and then judge accordingly. As such when we got off to a bad start at the beginning of the year Lou was rarely criticized. The fault was on the players or Jim Hendry's because we in our minds had labelled Lou as a good manager, thus it couldnt be his fault.
Now that they're winning we attach it to Lou. It's silly, we should at least be consistent, don't you think?
And if Lou IS the difference (and not the acquisitions of Soriano, Marquis, Lilly or the youngsters producing like Marmol, Marshall, Theriot) then why did his teams in Tampa Bay struggle so much???? If Jim Leyland IS the difference in Detroit, why did his Colorado teams struggle so much????
I remain firm in my beliefs that TALENT dictates success. And the managers that we judge to be the best are the ones that have been fortunate to have gone into situations where they've had extraordinary talent (like Lou in SEA, CIN, NYY or Dusty in SF or Leyland in DET, FLA)
I'm not saying Lou is worse than Dusty or that Lou is a bad manager, i'm simply saying (and have been all year) that its ironic who we assess credit and blame too and that in the end if you think Pineilla is THE REASON we've gone from 66 wins to 83+ wins then you're completely ignoring the difference in talent between last years and this years team.
Subtract Soriano, DLee (essentially lost half a season), Marquis, Lilly, DeRosa... and i'm willing to bet you we arent even close to competing for the playoffs
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 24, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree with you to a point
but what lou does and his predecessor did not, is recognize that talent a lot faster and make better use of it.
maybe
Dusty was the one playing Theriot at the end of last year and giving Cedeno a full year at SS
Dusty made a lot of changes last year that allowed younger players to get playing time. The problem is none of those changes worked very well because the Cubs were throwing out a AA rotation on most nights and a roster in general loaded with poor talent
When Dusty had great talent in 2003 and 2004 those teams won games, won lots of games.
Is Lou a better manager than Dusty? I'd probably lean towards yes, but again i think the difference is so minimal that it doesnt deserve anywhere close to the attention it gets around here.
The bottom line is the difference between this years team and the past two years where the team has struggled was this off-season when the team made a committment to trying to spend money to fix things.
That committment (no matter how silly it was for the future) is one that is THE major reason for this team's turn-around from last season.
Whether its Dusty or Lou on the bench this team was going to be SIGNIFICANTLY better than last season's team
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 24, 2007 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You are most probably correct in your analysis
These last 2 or 3 months I feel excited watching the Cubs like I did in late '03. Fundamentally sound baseball and winning will do that. I don't mind watching a loss if the team plays hard and intelligently and just plain gets beat that day. We seem to be better at our fundamentals and better clutch hitting for the most part this year. All most Cub fans want is a competetive team every year. A sniff at the playoffs one year and a few years below .500 are hard to take.
Even with the talent Atlanta has had for a decade +, you still have to hand it to Bobby Cox and the players to pay the price and either win the division or at least be in the hunt year after year after year.
Correction or definition
93 wins & 1989...
-116 in '06 a league record that Piniella tied
--107 in '07
---99 in '08 when they won the WS
----Cubs won 98 & in '45 (my father's freshman year in college) and '29,
-----93 in '37 finishing 2nd ('38 they won with 89 wins), and in '04
------92 in '11 finishing 2nd, and '05
-------91 in '28 and '12
--------90 in '32, (all during my grandfather's young adult life), and 1998 as WC playoff winner.
All told Cubs have 10 pennants, 14 playoff
appearances....4 being in my lifetime.
i actually don't consider Frey a good manager but his record was pretty good for two seasons, one with KC and the other with Chicago.
Kendall
by park on Sep 24, 2007 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
Soriano
Go Cubs!
by red ivy cubs on Sep 24, 2007 12:43 PM CDT reply actions
Sandberg's HOF speach
http://www.cubsnet.com/node/526
by mweil on Sep 24, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
MRI for Zambrano?
MRI
by mweil on Sep 24, 2007 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently this was on ESPN 1000...
And can we really rely on ESPN 1000?
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Generally speaking...
That said, not everything that is reported is accurate -- these outlets are only as good as their sourcing. And even things that are accurate can be misleading if you don't take time to think about them; baseball teams generally discuss a lot of trades and signings, and just because a lot of them get reported and then don't actually happen doesn't mean that there wasn't something going on there.
So it's very possible that Zambrano is getting an MRI done. That doesn't tell us what it's an MRI of, what the underlying symptoms are what the results are or what that means for the remainder of the season. It's something to keep an eye on, but there's no reason to panic yet.
I wasn't all
Can we persuade Sweet Lou
He'd take out Wrecks and give someone else the chance at QB :-)
Perfect Timing
Tough news for the Pads
Technically
Today, the Padres claim that 1B umpire Mike Winters goaded Bradley into the fracas -- given the attitude umpires have today, that very well may be true. 1B Coach Bobby Meacham claims that Winters used 'foul language' in telling Bradley to shut up. Crew chief (and the about-to-retire Bruce Froemming) said "no such language was used."
(We are going to believe an umpire who is days from the beach?)
Todd Helton, at first for the Rockies said...
"...it was a very interesting situation."
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Inquiring ears and minds would like to know
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I read
by SouthsideCub on Sep 24, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
The SD U-T
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20070924-9999-1s24padres.html
They write he called Bradley "a (expletive) piece of (expletive)." I think you can fill in the blanks. I've seen it elsewhere with the expletives filled in, but I can't find it now.
If you notice though, Bobby Meacham's first move is not to restrain Bradley, it's to confront Winters. He clearly heard the same thing Bradley did. And from what Todd Helton is saying, it sounds like he heard it too, although all Helton is saying right now is that his report will be "interesting."
Bradley clearly overreacted, as Bradley is known to do. But I have no doubt that Winters said what is alleged. Winters should be suspended and if he lies about what he said, he should be fired.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 24, 2007 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I have said this here before..
You dont see this in any other major professional sport...
That being said there are some great umpires in the league, Tim McClelland etc...
Lou and Miami
While I agree to a point that a manager isn't the only reason a team wins or loses, there has to be something to the idea that the leadership a manager provides (or doesn't, as the case may be) creates a context for winning or losing. And Hal appreciated Lou's leadership very much, for whatever that's worth.
As for this Miami series coming up, I wonder what kind of shock to the Cubs' system it will be going from a rocking, electric Wrigley Field to a near-empty, characterless turquoise nightmare of a stadium. I'm an actor, and I can definitely tell you that no matter how committed you are to a performance, the crowd presence or lack thereof can certainly make an impact on performance. I'm hoping that ballplayers don't care about that as much, and that the Cubs are remaining as fired up and focused as possible no matter how few folks are out there watching.
This is an incredible time to be a Cubs fan for sure...
by albinokid on Sep 24, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
I'm pretty sure
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 24, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well,
Alex Gonzalez's boot of a easy DP grounder, Mark Prior's inability to end the inning after that error, Dusty Baker's inaction of getting Prior the hell out of that same inning in Game 6 and Kerry Wood's inability to be a stopper in Game 7 was why the Cubs lost.
And don't mention any other reason, please. Because that other incident wasn't a reason.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2007 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Talent plays a role, obviously...
Unlike the previous manager, there are no excuses for losing. There always seemed to be an excuse. With Lou -- it's produce, or you are gone. Complain, or whine, you are gone.
A very knowledgeable source said during spring training that -- this was one of the most professionally-run camps he had seen in his many years associated with Cubs baseball. (I think you can read into that what the Baker camps might have been like) I believe we are seeing that type of professionalism, and accountability for one's play on the field -- right now.
Whether or not this translates into a World Series berth, we shall soon see.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
seems is the key word
now the luck has turned and they're finding more ways to win than ever before
overall their record in 1 run games is now 23-22
about right where you'd expect it to be, since those games are largely the result of luck (one way or the other)
the team is exactly where many of us thought it would be prior to the season starting. Most of us thought they could win the division and most thought that the end result would be an 83-88 win team (i think thats what Al's poll results showed, not sure how to search for that)
for whatever reason because of how atrocious we were at the beginning of the year, people attribute that to things other than Lou and now attribute all the winning to the "changes" he's made
the problem with that is many of these "changes" Lou was making in spring training (with attitude around the clubhouse, etc) as mentioned in this thread spring training had a different feel, etc. All of those changes had been in place and this team kept losing and losing and losing
but then all of the sudden when the team starts performing to expectations, we cite these changes made by Lou as the reason the team turned it around
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 24, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Lou has been the constant.
We discussed in here ad nauseam - something like .180 batting average as a team, with 6 runs scored close/late in the ~15 consecutive 1-run losses at the start of the year.
That doesn't mean that Lou's strategies were unsound. He was doing exactly the same stuff that he's doing now. It just means that we either weren't executing, or that the other guys were executing a little bit better than we were.
Lately, the guys are coming through all the time. That doesn't mean that Lou has "improved" in any way - he's been making the same sorts of substitutions all eyar.
by ClosingTime on Sep 24, 2007 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
now we're placing much of the credit for this entire season with Lou
when in reality this season was predicted by many outlets that use statistical analysis to predict the record of teams heading into the season
Baseball Prospectus had us "I believe" at 85 wins or so
we're going to be right around that number and the prediction didn't incorporate the manager at all
which suggests if a system can be so accurate (which it is) without incorporating managers into the equation at all... then maybe they dont make that much of a difference after all
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 25, 2007 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
re: Pretty funny Lou Pinella video
Brewer Fan Brought a Goat to Saturdays Game
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=665932
Coincidence? They try and bring a goat to wrigley on saturday & the brewers blow a lead with 2 outs in the 10th?
by WaitTilNever on Sep 24, 2007 2:42 PM CDT reply actions
haha thats great
forgot one
thanks....'35 team
ESPN News reports
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 24, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions
well, that's helpful.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever issue
by Matt Allison on Sep 24, 2007 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you trying to be a "Debbie Downer?"
Lilly, Marquis, Hill?
How about this for a hell of a made for TV Movie Special..."Kerry Wood Starts Game Four?!?"
That would be F-ing Sweet!
by whatiswrongwithlarussa on Sep 24, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Tickets...
Anyone heard anything?
got mine friday
This thread is USELESS
by sanantonecub on Sep 24, 2007 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone mention the "new" sections ?
"Grandstand boxes" I kind of like it actually since they really are
the old grandstand seats. Yes they are ugly tickets but what the hell. Mine were safely in my desk drawer when I got to the office
today.
It was one hell of a weekend to be at Wrigley and my luck continued this morning at the airport. I gladly took $300 ( airline money but as Yogi would says it is just as good as cash for me) to get off my 6AM flight and take one at 8.10. Then I went over to get wati listed on the 6.40 , got on and got in roughly 25 minutes after my original 6AM flight so $300 for a
25 minute delay. Might need that $300 for some more tickets to
Chicaog in October ( though I will probably use miles).
by jessica on Sep 24, 2007 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
what
I think it's crap
This is a plant story. The Yankees have decided the biggest threat they have to losing Rodriguez (and I'm not sure this is true) is for a new Cub owner to come in and offer him the moon. So they launch a pre-emptive strike--make up a story that the Cubs are already tampering with Rodriguez, which will make it almost impossible for the Cubs to sign him, because A-Rod will have to sign any new contract in the period after the sale is announced but before it is approved. Thus, a new owner can't approve an A-Rod contract without bringing down tampering accusations.
It's a Yankee lie. And it stinks. But you will never hear the NY media ever suggesting that the Yankees could have planted the story.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 24, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
re: i think it's crap...
what you're failing to realize is this: if a-rod opts out of his contract and the yankees are desirous of re-signing him, they will!
it's that simple!
they certainly do not need to be reduced to some piss-ant story-planting organization. contrary to popular belief, they are a professionally operated organization with integrity.
The Yankees will lose the $15 million...
no kidding...
beyond the obvious, my point was this: clearly, the yankees have no control as to whether a-rod opts-out or not, but what they do have control is whether they resign him if he exercises that option. if it is their desire for a-rod to remain a yankee, and money is the determining factor, make no mistake, a-rod will be a yankee!
incidentally, how do you know what the yankees realize as an organization? do not underestimate the resolve or capital of that organization. remember, they're about to open a $1+ billion stadium with luxury suites that will be unmatched. do you think those'll generate a little 'scarole?
They have no control?
Ok, if we go ahead and assume that A-Rod will be paid $30 million a year -- and that's what his agent says will be the asking price -- there is a limited universe of teams that can afford that. There are some teams in baseball where A-Rod's salary reflects total payroll comitted to on-field operations. So, A-Rod is only going to opt out if there is interest in signing him from teams of means.
Therefore, your supporting point -- that the Yankees have no leverage to keep A-Rod from opting out -- is only true if you assume the main point -- that the Yankees wouldn't attempt to reduce the competition for his services by accusing other teams of tampering and scaring them away -- is already true.
Circular arguements are so rarely convincing.
As for how I know what the Yankees realize as an organization?
I read.
They're the New York Freakin' Yankees. They have an entire phalanx of reporters devoted to writing about them, and the national baseball press aside. And Brian Cashman, the man who makes personnell decisions for the Yankees, talks to these reporters. Then they write about it, and through the miracle of the Internet I'm able to read more about the Yankees and their front office than anyone would conceivably want to. It's not that hard.
for the record...
if any team, with the financial means, were inclined to attempt to sign a-rod, they certainly wouldn't be scared away from the scenario you allege.
What he said
Now you need to ask? Who is the source of this article?
Boras? Fat chance. If the story were true, it would get him banned from baseball. Why would he confess to that?
The unnamed owner? Same thing.
So who is the source? It's possible that the author completely made it up. But it's a New York writer. Boras is based in Southern California. The Cubs are in Chicago. Who do you think it's most likely the New York writer was using as his source?
Now it may not have been a calculated plan--it could have just been some Yankee flunky shooting his mouth off. But leakers always have an agenda--and the entity that gains the most by this leak is the Yankees.
I'm open to other possibilities if you can think of who else who would have an agenda to plant such a story. But the most likely source is the Yankees.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 24, 2007 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
josh, i stand by...
Al,
That's correct.
If the Brewers can't win today
Look at this Cardinal lineup
Eckstein
Ankiel
Taguchi
Ludwick
Cairo
Miles
Bennett
Wainwright
Ryan
Batting Wainwright eighth? Hell, LaRussa should be batting Wainwright fifth!
Ladies and gentlemen,
phat
by phatass on Sep 24, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Gameday has Pujols in the lineup
Looks like a late change
Yup, the telecast just confirmed it. Late change, Pujols will play.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 24, 2007 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
cards aren't helping us at all early on here.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Sep 24, 2007 7:24 PM CDT reply actions
Cards...
There's not much they can do with what they have available.
by NTNgod on Sep 24, 2007 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh
by UptownFreeRadio on Sep 24, 2007 7:34 PM CDT reply actions
im suprised the cards even showed up tonight
I'm Mr. Glass Half Empty
Nice work by the men in blue this year. April 29th was my official "it's over" date.
Thank you for proving me wrong.
Now win the Series.
Loud, sustained applause!
i cant believe
who are you? Curt freaking Gowdy!
why on earth would you say something like this!!!!!!!!!!!
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 25, 2007 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions
LaRussa leaves in Wainwright
by FortLauderdaleCubs on Sep 24, 2007 8:40 PM CDT reply actions
Wainwright took a beating--LaRussa is such a jerk
And still, that really nice guy LaRussa
by FortLauderdaleCubs on Sep 24, 2007 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
that's kinda lame to blame larussa
but who cares? we still have a 3 games lead with 6 left to play. as lou has said repeatedly this year - win series' and good things will happen. if we go 4-2 in the last 6 we will win the division.
right now, the cardinals are the worst team
well, it certainly appears the brewers are
let's win both series to close out the year.
I think they'll split with the Pads
Don't count out Looper stealing one from the Crew tomorrow.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 24, 2007 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
if the cardinals win, i will be completely shocked
larussa doesn't even look like he cares. and that surprises me. he just sits on the bench with his legs crossed. the fire is out.
i hope the padres get a split. what i'd really love to see is a cubs win and a brewers loss tomorrow. that would be sweet.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean you were actually
I watched that 18-1 loss in person. (At least until it was 7-0)
That is a gutless punk organization led by a scumbag hypocrite and populated by fakers and tankers like Pujols and Edmonds and Rolen, who should be ashamed to look at himself in the mirror each morning.
We cannot count on anything from St. Louis.
by lancaster99 on Sep 24, 2007 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
hypocrite and populated by fakers and tankers
I assume
It seems all and sundry see it as a foregone conclusion....I'll only celebrate once its a lock.
Until then i'll remain a little nervous.
Let me
by tomlambsays on Sep 24, 2007 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure nervous even covers it.
by buckmulligan on Sep 24, 2007 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
we need
by tomlambsays on Sep 24, 2007 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I will cease being nervous only when
phat
by phatass on Sep 24, 2007 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
by tomlambsays on Sep 24, 2007 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers thrash Cards 13-5 (final)
last week
Cubs have won a lot of series now
Just gotta keep focused, and good things will happen.
In the back of my mind
I suspect that may happen too.
phat
by phatass on Sep 25, 2007 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
is it true
for anyone that cares
"dream on"
it was great.
Just caught Al
I only have seen them on TV during ST, and a couple games during the season, but I'd have to agree with you on being a very strong team.
Nice offense, young & speedy athletes, terrific staff, great bullpen.
And, Vlad.
by TheEman on Sep 25, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply actions

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