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Another Blast From The Past

Somebody apparently forgot to tell Dontrelle Willis this is 2007, not 2005.

Two years ago Willis dominated the National League, winning 22 games (he and Chris Carpenter, who won 21 that year are, in fact, the last NL pitchers to win 20 games) and losing out on the Cy Young Award to Carpenter, likely because the Cardinals made the playoffs and the Marlins didn't.

This year Willis has been bad -- his numbers coming into last night's game would have been, by far, the worst on the Cub staff -- but he looked like the pitcher that we Cub fans often lament "how did we let this guy get away?" in allowing only three hits -- one a "maybe we can get back into this thing after all" two-run HR by Craig Monroe, his first as a Cub, and the Marlins beat the Cubs 4-2, cutting their division lead to two games after the Brewers blew out the Cardinals for the second day in a row, 9-1.

So I sent Mike an email with one line: "This had better be a one-day aberration."

This is what I got in reply:

Well, goshgollygeewhiz, did you think this was done? They gotta win three of five, now, and Wednesday becomes must-win. I say three-of-five because I don't think the Brewers will run the table. You may yet take back all the crap you've hurled at the Padres since '84, before this week is done.

I think he's got it just about right, don't you? We've hesitated calling games "must-win" on this site, but tonight's, I believe, really is. That'd keep the lead at two games no matter what the Brewers do, and I don't see them running the table either.

Ted Lilly actually didn't throw too bad of a game last night; he was victimized by two bloopy little hits that probably both should have been caught, and after that the booming two-run double by Jeremy Hermida that wound up providing the winning margin for the Marlins. Other than that one bad inning, Lilly gave the Marlins only three other hits. Michael Wuertz and Kevin Hart did a fine job of keeping the game close and at least giving the Cubs a chance to come back -- and if Cliff Floyd's ball, caught on the warning track for the final out, had gone another twenty or so feet, we'd perhaps be having a different conversation this morning.

Give credit where credit is due: the Cubs ran into the same buzzsaw last night that they showed the Pirates all weekend -- outstanding starting pitching. And go figure -- the Pirates go home last night riding a nine-game losing streak and beat the team with the best record in the league, the Diamondbacks. This wacky season may get even wackier in its last five days.

So this may not feel very good, but somehow, I don't feel as bad this morning as I did last night, or than maybe I should. Jason Marquis, who didn't throw very well in his last start on Friday, will get another chance to redeem himself this evening. After that, though, Lou says the rotation may change:

Piniella confirmed Jason Marquis still would start Wednesday's game, but when asked if Steve Trachsel was still on track for Thursday, he hedged.

"I said [Wednesday's] starter is the same," Piniella said. "I haven't said anything else. And I haven't said the rotation for Cincinnati either."

Well, that's interesting, isn't it? Rich Hill, who was originally slated for Friday's game in Cincinnati, could go on normal rest (he last threw on Saturday) in Miami on Thursday; then Carlos Zambrano and Lilly would also be ready on normal rest to start the Cincinnati series, if needed. Or:

If the Cubs pitch Zambrano on his normal four days' rest Friday and the team can clinch the division by Saturday, Lilly's final start can be skipped. That way the top two starters, Zambrano and Lilly, would be on schedule for Games 1 and 2 of the NL Division Series next Wednesday and Thursday.

Makes sense to me. In the meantime, there is work to be done, and I do know this: there's no manager who is going to have his team better prepared and focused on the task at hand tonight than Lou Piniella. I believe in him and trust him to get the job done.

As for the Brewers, despite their big wins the last two days, they seem unfocused on the race. Check out what Prince Fielder had to say after he hit two HR last night to get to 50 for the season:

Fielder said he wants to hit 52 homers in a season and win the MVP because his father never accomplished either. Doing that, Prince Fielder said, would "shut him up."

"That's why I'm so passionate about playing," Fielder said. "I don't mind them comparing me, but I'm totally a different player. Hopefully one day, whenever they mention my name, they won't have to mention his."

That's what Prince Fielder wants to do? Win the MVP and "shut his father up"? Wow, what a bad attitude. Prince Fielder is a tremendously talented baseball player, but he needs to grow up. He also ripped Brewers fans for booing:
"They can do what they want because they paid for the tickets, but in my opinion, fans have to earn the right to boo. [With] the Yankees and Red Sox, they've had winning teams, so they sat through the bad times and the good times.

"Here, they've never had too many good teams to earn the right to boo. We're the best team they've had in a while. But they pay for the tickets, so they can do what they want. It's their freedom of speech."

Earn the right to boo?

Anyway, enough about Fielder and the Brewers. Believe. Keep the faith. And just win tonight!

Finally, I need to say a few things about some of the comments that I have seen in the game threads. We're all a little on edge because of the tightness of this race. But that shouldn't mean that we snipe at each other, call names, or not get along, because we're all here for the same reason -- to root for our favorite team, and hopefully in a few days, to celebrate a division championship. I know there are quite a few new posters here, and I am going to ask them to review the BCB Community Guidelines, which are not meant to be any sort of Draconian absolutes, but simply this: to remind us that everyone here is a human being, that there's a real person behind each and every post, and sure, you can disagree with someone else -- but please do it with civility. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Thanks. Go Cubs. Let's win this thing.

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I hate to do it by Fletcher was BAD last night.  Not only on the strikes to ARAM and DEROSA but the check swing by Cedeno.  When I slowed it down the catcher was jumping up to block the ball and blocked the umps view.  

He obvisouly knew he sucked by tossing out ARAM for very little.  Really really bad game.

Otherwise, the Cubs sucked last night.  Starting with the fact that Soriano took the first 2 pitches of the game that were not even close and didnt have the presence of mind to take a strike and that was the way the day went swinging at crap and not letting a wild pitch pitch himself into trouble.

On that NOTE, GO CUBS

Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 8:46 AM CDT   0 recs

Prince Fielder
More important than his daddy issues(to me anyways)is the fact that the guy may single handedly cost me a league championship in my fantasy baseball league.

All joking aside, he sounds like a pretty angry guy. Hopefully he can find a way to put the bad stuff with his dad behind him and enjoy his life and his playing days.

AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Sep 26, 2007 8:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Wow....
Fielder certainly seems unfocused on the playoff race. That's fine and dandy with me if one of their team leaders wants an early vacation and to rub having 52 HR's in his dad's face. Just as long as the Cubs are enjoying an extended stay in the postseason, he can go munch on his cheeseburgers and fries all he wants!
Missing Da Cubbies from NYC!

by dacubsfan76 on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fielder focused on division race.
Al is making stuff up, this is just a flat out lie, and intentionally misleading:

As for the Brewers, despite their big wins the last two days, they seem unfocused on the race.

It's extremely dishonest of any writer, of any talent level, to suggest that because someone answers a question honestly, it's the most important thing in their mind. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is just a few paragraphs down.

On the suddenly more pleasant topic of the division race, Fielder said the Brewers still hope to surpass Chicago. With their 4-2 loss at Florida on Tuesday, the Cubs are only two games ahead of Milwaukee.

Fielder admitted he was looking up at the scoreboard.

"You take peeks, because that's what it's up there for, to look at," Fielder said. "But really, that's out of our control anyway.

Yost also focused on division race:

Yost said he was focused on the division race, too -- and not his job status for next year. The manager has drawn criticism from Brewers fans after the team blew its 8 1/2 -game lead in June, but the team's principal owner said in several interviews on Tuesday that Yost didn't have to worry.

"Ned is fine," Attanasio told The Associated Press, declining to elaborate.

"We're in the middle of a pennant race right now and that's all I care about," Yost said.

Good luck cub fans, try to enjoy the rest of the season, and don't worry too much about Prince Fielder's family issues. It's going to keep you distracted as fans.

Cheers.

by jacob on Sep 26, 2007 9:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i won't worry about it too much
but I appreciate your concern.
AC 00 00 00 - BELIEVE

by mike on Sep 26, 2007 9:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how is it...
...that any player (fielder) can even introduce the thought of personal goals at this juncture?
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:38 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Well...
 I had actually forgotten it already before you brought it back up. Two thoughts though. I just left the Olney blog on ESPN, and Al is not the only one scratching his head over this one. And in a town where it appears that at least 6 out of every ten fans want Yost gone (and are happy to scream it), I expect him to be "focused on the race" as well, rather than having to answer these questions.

by Damen Jackson on Sep 26, 2007 9:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I read....
what you posted, where does it say Fielder is focused on the race?  It said he looks at the scoreboard?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 9:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

His quote...
 "It would be a cool award to get but that's not something I think about," he said, "besides the fact my dad never did it. If I do get it, that shuts him up again."

Fielder said he was "serious" about trumping his father, adding, "A lot of people said that's the only reason I got drafted. That's what drives me. People said I was too big and all this, and the only reason I got drafted was because of the name.

"That's why I'm so passionate about playing. I don't mind people comparing me to him but I'm a completely different player. One day I want people to mention my name and not have to mention his."

As for the recent comments from his father, Fielder said, "You've got to look at who's saying it. Let's be honest. He's not really the brightest guy."

by Damen Jackson on Sep 26, 2007 9:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: Fielder focused on division race.
So Fielder hopes to catch the Cubs and he peeks at the scoreboard?

That doesn't really do much to negate Al's point. And I'd remind you that we Cubs fans have a certain amount of experience dealing with guys with big egos who put up huge power numbers but don't really do a lot to help their team win championships.

Don't tase me, bro!

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 9:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm
Maybe he should just stare at the scoreboard all game long. He'd be <i>really</i> focused then.
He's [Zambrano] been durable, effective, and bat#$%@ insane, but he gets entirely too much attention for being something he isn't. -- Lookout Landing

by TheJay on Sep 26, 2007 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Slow over at Brewcrewball?
n/t
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow thanks for the insight jacob
what would we do without you to defend an immature and self absorbed child like Fielder who IN FACT, did take the focus off the entire team to discuss his personal goals.

Gimme a break.  If one of the Cubs was to go off on some rant about his family matters and explain that he hopes he gets a certain number of HR's so that he can shut up his father, RATHER than say that 52 HR's would surely help this team salvage a horrid second half, I WOULD BE PISSED, not defending him.

It is BS and you know it.  WHO FREAKIN CARES ABOUT HIS DAMN PERSONAL ISSUES!  I would also be pissed if I were a teammate and this is what someone chose to discuss.  But you go on with your bad self jacob, seems you are a bit distracted too.

Oh well...here's to hard nosed, FOCUSED, play for the next 5 games...for the Cubbies!

MMMMM...Fernandos fajitas and margaraitas

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 26, 2007 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Al's quote is "lying"?
...based on what?  The quotes that you provided do not show that Fielder is focused on the race.  In fact, he might be looking up at the scoreboard to check the stats. of other players that are posted or the individual leage leaders that are posted, lol...Given the quotes that you posted v. Al's I'd easily vote for "unfocused".

From his comments, Fielder may be another example of a spoiled and entitled player.  Many of these players would do themselves a favor by coming to grips with the realization that no one worth anything to them actually "respects" them because of their perceived status.  I am sure that there are many people out there willing to tell a millionaire player how incredible and wonderful he is no matter what the truth may be, and if you chose to listen to it and guid your life by it, well you may end up becoming the bigger fool.

The Brewers not deserving to be booed because they have never won?  That's hilarious!  It's the perfect get of jail free card--we have alwasy sucked, you should expect it, we have delicate egos so therefore you cannot express your displeasure ebcause you are used to our incompetence.  Michael Vick needs to hire this guy for a P.R. position.  "I just pleaded guilty to a Federal crime, the State of VA. is now after me--so why the heck are you surprised that I got tested positive for weed?  You should expect nothing but the worst from me.  Excuse me while I down a keg with some friends and then go for a drive."  I can see Fielder saying "yes, he gets it!"  

by DudeVf11 on Sep 26, 2007 2:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

absolutely classic
Coming on strong when it matters, Murton's September line: .361/.425/.583/1.008 boo ya.

by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 3:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right.
And Fielder said that the fans "earned" their right to boo, but shouldn't, anyway. !?  No, "little" Prince. The fans didn't "earn" that right. They bought that right when they bought their tickets. In effect, the fans pay you to perform. And when you or your teammates don't perform, the fans have the right to boo.

Apparently, when a team is losing, whining becomes common. The Cubs had that discussion in less favorable times and now the Brewers are having it. They must be feeling the pressure.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 4:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

parental estrangement
Having been estranged as a son I can tell you it eats at you each day; parents can be totally irrational, even psychologically abusive or destructive and yet hold in their minds that they are doing things for all the 'right reasons'.

The best mantra for a father comes from a movie "Guess who is coming to Dinner" when the father who gave all for his son to become a great doctor suddenly has problems with his son's choice in a bride. He talks about how his son owe's him for his sacrifice of carrying a postman's bag.

The son then states (as a widower and former parent) that the day he was born his father owed his son and that all he owed his parents was paying the the debt forward to his children...(in essence paying it forward, not back).  

My father then did something that totally broke the trust in my family (even though in his mind doing the right thing but in reality he was simply playing out decades of wrong presumptions and prejudices) after proven wrong he has never apologized or acknowledged the hurt.

Until he apologizes to my family for the pain and broken trust we can never begin to reclaim a relationship. Sure we talk periodically but only on the surface. Whatever was done in the Fielder's family can only be rectified when the father submits, and seeks forgiveness, he is in charge of initiating and setting the parameters of the relationship not the son.

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks for that, Ivy
Really, if anyone hasn't read about how Cecil Fielder estranged himself from his family, they shouldn't go judging Prince.  Sometimes people have things to be angry ABOUT.  

Prince has a policy of not talking to reporters about his dad.  It is a blanket "If you can't say anything good..." type policy.  No doubt this only came up because of the record set yesterday as the first father and son to hit 50 homers in a season.

The call of the Cub fan, c. 1893: "one long, ravaged, derisive yell...a cyclonic whoop!"

by zambranofan on Sep 26, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a messy situation all around.
And Cecil Fielder isn't exactly blameless - his gambling and money problems are legendary.

But Stacey Fielder - mother and wife - isn't exactly a hero here, either. This article is a pretty good summary:


In sworn documents filed with the court, Fielder claims his wife was "physically and mentally abusive" to him, hitting him with a broomstick, stabbing him in the side with a fork, threatening to get a gun and shoot him, and telling him she had stood over him with a knife as he slept, thinking about whether to stab him.

Fielder also claimed his wife lost $500,000 in a failed venture to open a bank, and redecorated their mansion four times in seven years, at a cost of $4 million.

In her filings, Stacey Fielder alleged her husband had engaged in "an avalanche of misconduct" that caused her angry outbursts, and asked the court to enjoin her husband "from dissipating any more assets."

So, essentially what we have here is a case where a spouse beats and threatens the other, and their reasoning is "They deserved it." If the situation was reversed, as far as gender and physical condition, it would be a textbook case of spousal abuse. (I still get chills every time I read that bit about the knife.)

And Prince seems pretty much to side with his mother on all of this. So it's easy to see where neither side is really in a hurry to get past this.

FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 26, 2007 11:48 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't necessarily think
that Prince is siding with his mother in a dispute between the two--or rather, I'm not sure that's the cause of the estrangement.  Cecil has wronged Prince beyond any issue with his mother.

Cecil stole most of Prince's amateur signing bonus and gambled it away. (Prince originally used his dad as his agent.) Prince got pulled off of a minor league diamond one day so that Prince could be served with papers pertaining to a lawsuit involving his father.

Now Cecil blames his ex-wife for the fact that Prince won't talk to him, but that may be part of the problem.  Cecil has apparently refused to take responsibility for the way he wronged his son.

The artist formerly known as JoshinLA

by Josh77 on Sep 26, 2007 1:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I looked up "dysfunctional family"...
...and I found a picture of the Fielders there.

by MN exile on Sep 26, 2007 2:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

FOR KARMA'S SAKE
Al:

I am posting this in desperation:), as the magic number that is posted in the corner of BCB is causing my much grief.  As you are aware the posting of this, from now on referred to as the, # a few weeks ago caused the cubs to play poorly
for a few days, resulting in the # not decreasing.  It was suggested  by several folks that this # be removed until the # was 5 or less.

I am here to plead with you to please remove this # from the site forever and ever! We all know the # and it was decreasing just fine until it was put back on the site.

Baseball has and always will be a game of superstition and this is no different! Please consider this idea!!!

PS: Feel free to post the Brew Crew's #!

"I never said most of the things I said" ~ Yogi Berra

by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 8:57 AM CDT   0 recs

Yeah, I thought about this.
Let's see what happens tonight.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al on Sep 26, 2007 9:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair Enough!
"I never said most of the things I said" ~ Yogi Berra

by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am not superstitious.
Therefore, I don't worry about what is posted on the net. It has no effect whatsoever on how the Cubs play. Are we to look at the pitcher's astrological sign next to see if he's to win or lose? I won't.

The problem with the "magic number" is that a number 4 with 5 games to play isn't much. It only means that the Cubs can still lose one more game and still control their fate by winning the rest. But if the Cubs lose two, then they are at the mercy of what the Brewers do or don't do, even if we win the other three games.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it's not the number being posted...
that's causing the Cubs to play poorly.  Instead, maybe it's the folks who are agitating about it being posted that's causing the Cubs to play poorly.

Makes about as much sense...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 26, 2007 6:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The rotation
I also wonder if Piniella might be a little leery of starting Trachsel if the Cubs lose again tonight.  If the Brewers gain another game, Lou may want to go with the regulars to try and clinch it and leave Trachsel for Sunday and hope it's cliched by then.    

by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 9:03 AM CDT   0 recs

Lou is situational and doesn't care about feelings
He can have Hill and Trachsel chart the game tonight and see what happens, but he also could go for it right now...

Marquis is up tonight, he was flat and distracted with trying to make his religious committment he will do well tonight. Cubs will play their regular RHP lineup.

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt
that Marquis was distracted by his religious commitment. He just had a very bad game. He's done it before and he'll do it again.

Sometimes good athletes have bad days.

It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

WHY WHY defensive execusion is so important

MLB.tv replay of Marlins 4-run inning

After striking out Lilly gets tagged for two hits, then Willis hit a high pop in short right center, if Murton had got a good jump like he would have made that catch, not saying Floyd would have made the catch but Jones would have. Now the biggest faux pas was DeRosa who should have deferred to Murton to catch it as he was coming in but DeRosa knows Murton is suspect fielding so he went for it....that is the second out and then the third out is deep fly ball and Cubs escape with one run.....

BUT giving an extra out possibly two....Lilly is tagged for 4-runs.....

DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE.......wins championships.

In my humblest opinion is that right now getting the outs is more important the getting more offense. I think Monroe should be playing in RF and not Murton, sorry RED HEAD lovers, then have Jones playing CF even with a left hander on the mound.

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:05 AM CDT   0 recs

It's true that bad defense...
made that inning bigger than what it should have been. But a team still has to score more than two runs to win more often than not in today's baseball.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree...but being down 1-0 is different
You approach the offense differently. Cubs offense was very big in Chicago, I am certain that the lack of a full enthusiastic. big mo place to the cavern of Florida had a small effect. The natural let down of simply having another off day and then traveling had another.

Today knowing the experience of this club, tonight they are facing a young pitcher who has one good start in 4...Barone; last start he got he gave up 4-R's in 4-IP to Atlanta, bombed in Cinci back in late August; 3-IP 9-ER, a great start against StL 8/16 7-IP 1-ER, and AZ 4-ER in 4-IP and 2-ER in 4.2 IP.

Cubs should have no mercy and hit him hard and early....get into the Florida bullpen and get this game done. The seem to come to the game ready to hit with Marquis so I am confident.

Tomorrow we wake up and Cubs are 2 up with 4 games to play, even if Brewers sweep. Depending on Brewers outcome if they win Lou starts Hill on the last game of the series.  

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 10:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I could not agree more
DeRosa was jogging when thhat ball over his head dropped. I haven't been angry at him all season, but I was furious. Theriot, Jones, Lee, etc. all make that play because they're running hard. That opened the floodgates.

Granted, 2 runs ain't gonna win you many games, but that play wasn't good.

by SouthsideCub on Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why do bad plays frequently get labelled loafing?
I agree with you that it was a bad play but I don't blame DeRosa for loafing.  He probably didn't think he could get it and it really was Murton's play.  Do you know who was calling off who?  Miscommunication, bad defense, yes but I don't blame the play on DeRosa's jogging.  

It's similar to last week when someone blamed Rich Hill for not properly covering bunts as laziness.  He's a bad fielder.  I'm sure he would like to be a better fielder but right now he is not.  I don't think Hill stands there on the mound thinking that other players should make the play.  

by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hear HERE
I challenged the idea of character issues when misplays are made, they are all trying.

The play was Murton's. In RF he gets slow jumps off the bat, I know the Cubs know this and i suspect tomorrow when the face Olsen, Jones will be starting in CF and Monroe in RF.

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

re: Hear HERE
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I just wish Pie could hit major league hitting more consistently. Defensively speaking, I'd like to see him in center and Jones in right.

Would it be crazy to suggest rolling the dice on Pie's bat and starting him tonight?

Don't tase me, bro!

by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Pie appears to be on the edge
Piniella has tinkered with him, now he is standing more straight up and steady. He has hit some rockets of late. But he is thinking up there not reacting.

They are working him for next year and getting what they can out of him this year. I am certain Lou would like to put him in CF almost entirely and then platoon Jones in RF but now he can't.

Over the year the RF'er have not hurt us too bad, they are run and retrieve for the most part unless the ball is hit in their area. Murton and Floyd play so deep that they give up a hit a series.  

Ironically for 36 hits in 171 AB's he has 26 runs and 19 RBI's, now compare that to Murton who has 21 RBI's and 33 runs with 64 hits and 227 AB's....or Jones who has 59 RBI's and 51 Runs with 121 hits in 441 AB's....and you see the potential.

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im with you man, but
i dont think you mess around at this time, and i doubt lou would think of doing this after not letting pie start more than a handful of games in the past few months.  i think pie is a better ball player than jones right now though, defensively and offensively, im positive pie could put up jones .713 ops given 440 at bats.  you give pie the at bats and he is going to get into a groove eventually, the problem was they just didnt give him the at bats.
Coming on strong when it matters, Murton's September line: .361/.425/.583/1.008 boo ya.

by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 1:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Lou gave Pie his at bats.
Unfortunately, Pie didn't make good use of them. We'll see next year, but right now I'd watch Pie closely just to make sure he's not another Corey.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes this is why the Brewers are in a two-hole
They drafted and trained players without thinking about defense and now they have Braun, Fielder, Hardy and Weeks as their IF and Hardy is the best of them at 8 out of 13 in FLD PCT.  Weeks almost has the lead in errors among 2B and he missed like two months of playing time.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's nonsense
Monroe has been a bust since he's been here. His HR was the only positive thing he's done. To suggest he's a better option in RF than Murton is a terrible idea.
It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 1:29 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you are too harsh with small sample sizes
Monroe has 43-AB's....10 hits,

at one time we said Jones was a bust...in June he has 51 AB's 9 hits, and then he turned it around.

Let's see in June Theriot had 76 AB's and 17 hits, (.224 BA) and he is celebrated, why because he is celebrated and he turned it on in July and August, but in September he again is 19 for 82 batting .232.

In July and August the mighty Derrick Lee was basically a .253 hitter, (.257 and .250) for the two months, was he a bust then going 18 for 70 and 27 for 108?

Monroe is a role player but he can play a better RF than Floyd or Murton and that is not nonsense

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:05 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry no facts allowed
It's time to panic.  All the stars are aligning against the Cubs.  All the curses are aliging into the Perfect Storm.  Everyone is rolling over for the Brewers because no one wants the Cubs to win.  It's over.  Wait until next year.  

by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 2:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL....
When I hear this or that especially the emotional statement that this player is a bust or not hustling or whatever...I like to check those pesky facts.

Monroe is not a godscend right now....bad year all around, that does not mean that yesterday's HR could not shoot confidence into him where tomorrow with another start he goes 3-4...and a couple extra base hits....

Suddenly he is 13 for 47....batting .276 and his numbers don't look bad.....

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The issue is Monroe
not Lee or Jones. Let's look at Monroe:
With Det  .222/.264/.637
With Chi  .227/.306/.692
That's over 387 ABs

Murton    .282/.356/.783

If you look deeper, you'll see that the reason he has a small sample size is because he's no longer a decent player. Do you really suggest that Detroit would dump him in the middle of a playoff race if he had value to them? It's hard to expect much value from a player who was DFA'd by a playoff contender. And that's what we got.

It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 4:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

granted...his 2007 numbers are not good
especially comparing his '05-'06-'07 numbers and why he was so cheap, his BA has fallen even though his power # increased 18-20-28 HR's

the answer is not offense, but defense, he is a better defender than Murton....period....last night Murton showed what his liability is, he gets poor breaks on balls, worse than he did in left field where he was adequate...Murton should have had the duck snort with bases loaded and then there were three outs...the double would have led off the next inning.....

Murton has produced 5.63 runs per 27 outs, roughly right next to Randy Winn, ranked 5th out of 10 of regulars in the NL....but DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.....that is not nonsense

Club stats since June'07; 61-45 BEST in NL, against LHP starters; 14-14, and 21-10 in one run games, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 5:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If defense wins championships
then Pie should be starting. And how many championships did Patterson produce.

I reality, it's a mixture of offense, defense and baserunning. There are much better defenders than Manny Ramirez and Dunn and Bonds and Alou.

And that's no nonsense.

It's not to late to go to Soto.

by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 5:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

D Train
I was at last nights game... behind home plate
6th row.... The Home Plate Umpire Fletcher is
a good case for K Track.  D Train had a good
game he was as usual all over the place that
is why he can be hard to hit.
Lilly I think I can hit that big looping slow
curve out .... it comes up there like a 16"
softball in slo mo......... attendance 16k
mostly Cub Fans..... going again tonite.

by FlaCub on Sep 26, 2007 9:08 AM CDT   0 recs

Finally relaxing
after last nights game. I have kind of realized, hey, Willis is having a bad year but that doesnt mean he still doesnt have that dominating pitcher still in him. Heck he is only how old? Anyway, im sure he was fired up to be playing us, seeing as though they have nothing else to be playing for now. Its not like we had a loss to another no name AAA pitcher with a 9.78 ERA. Tonight, however, is a game we need to win to keep the breathing a little easier. Its just the fact that its the Marlins we are playing that makes me grit my teeth. It will probably take a WS Championship to get over the feeling I get whenever I see or hear about the Marlins, and we all know why.

by AndHart120 on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT   0 recs

Exactly.
Dontrelle Willis had no motivation to pitch the rest of the year and we saw the results.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 10:04 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Motivation may be there
Willis contract extends through next year, but he may be moved in the meantime while the Marlins can secure reasonable compensation.  He obviously wanted to close out the year on a high note, and maybe move to a better situation.

by Cajuncub on Sep 26, 2007 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As the Marlins b-cast team
pointed out last night -- "Could this be Willis' last game at home in a Marlins uniform?" and then let that comment stand untouched -- and barely brought it up when GM Larry Benifast stopped by for a gab-fest -- I think Willis wanted to prove the early part of the season was a fluke.

He was (with a tad bit of help from the HP ump) dominating. I fully expect the Marlins to deal him off, and I think this performance just upped the ante a bit. Or, perhaps -- renegotiate and THEN deal him off.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2007 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

ive heard this from many people
that the d-train was "dominating"...i must have watched a different game.  i thought his slider wasnt breaking, his changeup was always in the dirt, and his fastball topped 90 maybe once, comfortably sitting at 87.  i saw an incredibly lucky preformance last night, but maybe i was just being biased.
Coming on strong when it matters, Murton's September line: .361/.425/.583/1.008 boo ya.

by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 3:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i was there
and your assessment was much more accurate

tons of well hit balls... they just happened to be right at guys

a wide strike zone that allowed him to get ahead early and forced hitters to "protect" late led to a much better performance on paper than in person

by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 3:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Breaks
It was a game of inches.  A couple of bloopers lost the game but more inportantly it was the impatience of the offense yesterday.

Game of inches, or in Andy Fletchers case, 6-9 inches.

Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 9:10 AM CDT   0 recs

LOL
I havent seen a strike zone like that since Eric Gregg in the 97 WS
Let me get back to you, will ya, Charlie? I got a guy on the other line asking about some white walls.

by JB 23 on Sep 26, 2007 9:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The difference
In watching the game last night I did not see panic in the Cubs eyes. Yes they were losing to a team that had a pitcher with great stuff. It happens.

The Cubs still looked very focused.

Lou will have them relaxed and focused on what the goal is.

I feel good about the last 5 games. Just work on the next one and worry about eh next 4 one by one.

 

6-01-2007 the Cubs begin to rise. They will never look back.

by Scott G F on Sep 26, 2007 9:11 AM CDT   0 recs

yes, al...
...piniella will have the cubs prepared and the product of that will be a victory in the two remaining games against the marlins.
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:12 AM CDT   0 recs

Agreed
They did look focuses and Lou is the man for the job.  

BTW, that ballpark is so bad and so depressing to watch and probably depressing to play in.

Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 9:14 AM CDT   0 recs

wow, i feel much worse this morning.
i really don't see the brewers losing another game. i really don't think the padres can stop that offense, despite having good pitching. and the padres will never keep up with the runs the brewers score at home.

so, the cubs have to win 3-5 at least. and if they can't win tonight, well then it's going to be tough, especially since they still have to face harang. i'm on board the must win train. let's hope we see the good marquis today and he goes about 7 shutout innings. and let's hope we see about 8 cub doubles. don't swing for the fences boys, swing for the gaps.

how bout we finally beat the marlins. have we really lost 8 in a row to one the worst teams in the league?

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:15 AM CDT   0 recs

oh, and i don't feel good about the cardinals
tonight. they have brad thompson going on the three days' rest. and no bullpen. seriously, they have like 5 or 6 guys in the pen hurt and likely unavailable. it's a'gonna be a bloodbath up there.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

then again, i little cubs W
would make me feel a whole lot better.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:19 AM CDT