Another Blast From The Past
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 8:55 AM CDT
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Somebody apparently forgot to tell Dontrelle Willis this is 2007, not 2005.
Two years ago Willis dominated the National League, winning 22 games (he and Chris Carpenter, who won 21 that year are, in fact, the last NL pitchers to win 20 games) and losing out on the Cy Young Award to Carpenter, likely because the Cardinals made the playoffs and the Marlins didn't.
This year Willis has been bad -- his numbers coming into last night's game would have been, by far, the worst on the Cub staff -- but he looked like the pitcher that we Cub fans often lament "how did we let this guy get away?" in allowing only three hits -- one a "maybe we can get back into this thing after all" two-run HR by Craig Monroe, his first as a Cub, and the Marlins beat the Cubs 4-2, cutting their division lead to two games after the Brewers blew out the Cardinals for the second day in a row, 9-1.
So I sent Mike an email with one line: "This had better be a one-day aberration."
This is what I got in reply:
I think he's got it just about right, don't you? We've hesitated calling games "must-win" on this site, but tonight's, I believe, really is. That'd keep the lead at two games no matter what the Brewers do, and I don't see them running the table either.
Ted Lilly actually didn't throw too bad of a game last night; he was victimized by two bloopy little hits that probably both should have been caught, and after that the booming two-run double by Jeremy Hermida that wound up providing the winning margin for the Marlins. Other than that one bad inning, Lilly gave the Marlins only three other hits. Michael Wuertz and Kevin Hart did a fine job of keeping the game close and at least giving the Cubs a chance to come back -- and if Cliff Floyd's ball, caught on the warning track for the final out, had gone another twenty or so feet, we'd perhaps be having a different conversation this morning.
Give credit where credit is due: the Cubs ran into the same buzzsaw last night that they showed the Pirates all weekend -- outstanding starting pitching. And go figure -- the Pirates go home last night riding a nine-game losing streak and beat the team with the best record in the league, the Diamondbacks. This wacky season may get even wackier in its last five days.
So this may not feel very good, but somehow, I don't feel as bad this morning as I did last night, or than maybe I should. Jason Marquis, who didn't throw very well in his last start on Friday, will get another chance to redeem himself this evening. After that, though, Lou says the rotation may change:
"I said [Wednesday's] starter is the same," Piniella said. "I haven't said anything else. And I haven't said the rotation for Cincinnati either."
Well, that's interesting, isn't it? Rich Hill, who was originally slated for Friday's game in Cincinnati, could go on normal rest (he last threw on Saturday) in Miami on Thursday; then Carlos Zambrano and Lilly would also be ready on normal rest to start the Cincinnati series, if needed. Or:
Makes sense to me. In the meantime, there is work to be done, and I do know this: there's no manager who is going to have his team better prepared and focused on the task at hand tonight than Lou Piniella. I believe in him and trust him to get the job done.
As for the Brewers, despite their big wins the last two days, they seem unfocused on the race. Check out what Prince Fielder had to say after he hit two HR last night to get to 50 for the season:
"That's why I'm so passionate about playing," Fielder said. "I don't mind them comparing me, but I'm totally a different player. Hopefully one day, whenever they mention my name, they won't have to mention his."
"Here, they've never had too many good teams to earn the right to boo. We're the best team they've had in a while. But they pay for the tickets, so they can do what they want. It's their freedom of speech."
Earn the right to boo?
Finally, I need to say a few things about some of the comments that I have seen in the game threads. We're all a little on edge because of the tightness of this race. But that shouldn't mean that we snipe at each other, call names, or not get along, because we're all here for the same reason -- to root for our favorite team, and hopefully in a few days, to celebrate a division championship. I know there are quite a few new posters here, and I am going to ask them to review the BCB Community Guidelines, which are not meant to be any sort of Draconian absolutes, but simply this: to remind us that everyone here is a human being, that there's a real person behind each and every post, and sure, you can disagree with someone else -- but please do it with civility. I don't think that's too much to ask.
Thanks. Go Cubs. Let's win this thing.
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He obvisouly knew he sucked by tossing out ARAM for very little. Really really bad game.
Otherwise, the Cubs sucked last night. Starting with the fact that Soriano took the first 2 pitches of the game that were not even close and didnt have the presence of mind to take a strike and that was the way the day went swinging at crap and not letting a wild pitch pitch himself into trouble.
On that NOTE, GO CUBS
by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Prince Fielder
All joking aside, he sounds like a pretty angry guy. Hopefully he can find a way to put the bad stuff with his dad behind him and enjoy his life and his playing days.
by mike on Sep 26, 2007 8:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow....
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder focused on division race.
As for the Brewers, despite their big wins the last two days, they seem unfocused on the race.
It's extremely dishonest of any writer, of any talent level, to suggest that because someone answers a question honestly, it's the most important thing in their mind. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is just a few paragraphs down.
Fielder admitted he was looking up at the scoreboard.
"You take peeks, because that's what it's up there for, to look at," Fielder said. "But really, that's out of our control anyway.
Yost also focused on division race:
"Ned is fine," Attanasio told The Associated Press, declining to elaborate.
"We're in the middle of a pennant race right now and that's all I care about," Yost said.
Good luck cub fans, try to enjoy the rest of the season, and don't worry too much about Prince Fielder's family issues. It's going to keep you distracted as fans.
Cheers.
by jacob on Sep 26, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i won't worry about it too much
by mike on Sep 26, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is it...
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by Damen Jackson on Sep 26, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read....
by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His quote...
Fielder said he was "serious" about trumping his father, adding, "A lot of people said that's the only reason I got drafted. That's what drives me. People said I was too big and all this, and the only reason I got drafted was because of the name.
"That's why I'm so passionate about playing. I don't mind people comparing me to him but I'm a completely different player. One day I want people to mention my name and not have to mention his."
As for the recent comments from his father, Fielder said, "You've got to look at who's saying it. Let's be honest. He's not really the brightest guy."
by Damen Jackson on Sep 26, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Fielder focused on division race.
That doesn't really do much to negate Al's point. And I'd remind you that we Cubs fans have a certain amount of experience dealing with guys with big egos who put up huge power numbers but don't really do a lot to help their team win championships.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by TheJay on Sep 26, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slow over at Brewcrewball?
by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow thanks for the insight jacob
Gimme a break. If one of the Cubs was to go off on some rant about his family matters and explain that he hopes he gets a certain number of HR's so that he can shut up his father, RATHER than say that 52 HR's would surely help this team salvage a horrid second half, I WOULD BE PISSED, not defending him.
It is BS and you know it. WHO FREAKIN CARES ABOUT HIS DAMN PERSONAL ISSUES! I would also be pissed if I were a teammate and this is what someone chose to discuss. But you go on with your bad self jacob, seems you are a bit distracted too.
Oh well...here's to hard nosed, FOCUSED, play for the next 5 games...for the Cubbies!
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 26, 2007 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al's quote is "lying"?
From his comments, Fielder may be another example of a spoiled and entitled player. Many of these players would do themselves a favor by coming to grips with the realization that no one worth anything to them actually "respects" them because of their perceived status. I am sure that there are many people out there willing to tell a millionaire player how incredible and wonderful he is no matter what the truth may be, and if you chose to listen to it and guid your life by it, well you may end up becoming the bigger fool.
The Brewers not deserving to be booed because they have never won? That's hilarious! It's the perfect get of jail free card--we have alwasy sucked, you should expect it, we have delicate egos so therefore you cannot express your displeasure ebcause you are used to our incompetence. Michael Vick needs to hire this guy for a P.R. position. "I just pleaded guilty to a Federal crime, the State of VA. is now after me--so why the heck are you surprised that I got tested positive for weed? You should expect nothing but the worst from me. Excuse me while I down a keg with some friends and then go for a drive." I can see Fielder saying "yes, he gets it!"
by DudeVf11 on Sep 26, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely classic
by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Apparently, when a team is losing, whining becomes common. The Cubs had that discussion in less favorable times and now the Brewers are having it. They must be feeling the pressure.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
parental estrangement
The best mantra for a father comes from a movie "Guess who is coming to Dinner" when the father who gave all for his son to become a great doctor suddenly has problems with his son's choice in a bride. He talks about how his son owe's him for his sacrifice of carrying a postman's bag.
The son then states (as a widower and former parent) that the day he was born his father owed his son and that all he owed his parents was paying the the debt forward to his children...(in essence paying it forward, not back).
My father then did something that totally broke the trust in my family (even though in his mind doing the right thing but in reality he was simply playing out decades of wrong presumptions and prejudices) after proven wrong he has never apologized or acknowledged the hurt.
Until he apologizes to my family for the pain and broken trust we can never begin to reclaim a relationship. Sure we talk periodically but only on the surface. Whatever was done in the Fielder's family can only be rectified when the father submits, and seeks forgiveness, he is in charge of initiating and setting the parameters of the relationship not the son.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that, Ivy
Prince has a policy of not talking to reporters about his dad. It is a blanket "If you can't say anything good..." type policy. No doubt this only came up because of the record set yesterday as the first father and son to hit 50 homers in a season.
by zambranofan on Sep 26, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a messy situation all around.
But Stacey Fielder - mother and wife - isn't exactly a hero here, either. This article is a pretty good summary:
In sworn documents filed with the court, Fielder claims his wife was "physically and mentally abusive" to him, hitting him with a broomstick, stabbing him in the side with a fork, threatening to get a gun and shoot him, and telling him she had stood over him with a knife as he slept, thinking about whether to stab him.
Fielder also claimed his wife lost $500,000 in a failed venture to open a bank, and redecorated their mansion four times in seven years, at a cost of $4 million.
In her filings, Stacey Fielder alleged her husband had engaged in "an avalanche of misconduct" that caused her angry outbursts, and asked the court to enjoin her husband "from dissipating any more assets."
So, essentially what we have here is a case where a spouse beats and threatens the other, and their reasoning is "They deserved it." If the situation was reversed, as far as gender and physical condition, it would be a textbook case of spousal abuse. (I still get chills every time I read that bit about the knife.)
And Prince seems pretty much to side with his mother on all of this. So it's easy to see where neither side is really in a hurry to get past this.
by cwyers on Sep 26, 2007 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily think
Cecil stole most of Prince's amateur signing bonus and gambled it away. (Prince originally used his dad as his agent.) Prince got pulled off of a minor league diamond one day so that Prince could be served with papers pertaining to a lawsuit involving his father.
Now Cecil blames his ex-wife for the fact that Prince won't talk to him, but that may be part of the problem. Cecil has apparently refused to take responsibility for the way he wronged his son.
by Josh77 on Sep 26, 2007 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I looked up "dysfunctional family"...
by MN exile on Sep 26, 2007 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOR KARMA'S SAKE
I am posting this in desperation:), as the magic number that is posted in the corner of BCB is causing my much grief. As you are aware the posting of this, from now on referred to as the, # a few weeks ago caused the cubs to play poorly
for a few days, resulting in the # not decreasing. It was suggested by several folks that this # be removed until the # was 5 or less.
I am here to plead with you to please remove this # from the site forever and ever! We all know the # and it was decreasing just fine until it was put back on the site.
Baseball has and always will be a game of superstition and this is no different! Please consider this idea!!!
PS: Feel free to post the Brew Crew's #!
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 8:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought about this.
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair Enough!
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not superstitious.
The problem with the "magic number" is that a number 4 with 5 games to play isn't much. It only means that the Cubs can still lose one more game and still control their fate by winning the rest. But if the Cubs lose two, then they are at the mercy of what the Brewers do or don't do, even if we win the other three games.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's not the number being posted...
Makes about as much sense...
by ballhawk on Sep 26, 2007 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rotation
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou is situational and doesn't care about feelings
Marquis is up tonight, he was flat and distracted with trying to make his religious committment he will do well tonight. Cubs will play their regular RHP lineup.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHY WHY defensive execusion is so important
MLB.tv replay of Marlins 4-run inning
After striking out Lilly gets tagged for two hits, then Willis hit a high pop in short right center, if Murton had got a good jump like he would have made that catch, not saying Floyd would have made the catch but Jones would have. Now the biggest faux pas was DeRosa who should have deferred to Murton to catch it as he was coming in but DeRosa knows Murton is suspect fielding so he went for it....that is the second out and then the third out is deep fly ball and Cubs escape with one run.....
BUT giving an extra out possibly two....Lilly is tagged for 4-runs.....
DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE.......wins championships.
In my humblest opinion is that right now getting the outs is more important the getting more offense. I think Monroe should be playing in RF and not Murton, sorry RED HEAD lovers, then have Jones playing CF even with a left hander on the mound.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's true that bad defense...
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...but being down 1-0 is different
Today knowing the experience of this club, tonight they are facing a young pitcher who has one good start in 4...Barone; last start he got he gave up 4-R's in 4-IP to Atlanta, bombed in Cinci back in late August; 3-IP 9-ER, a great start against StL 8/16 7-IP 1-ER, and AZ 4-ER in 4-IP and 2-ER in 4.2 IP.
Cubs should have no mercy and hit him hard and early....get into the Florida bullpen and get this game done. The seem to come to the game ready to hit with Marquis so I am confident.
Tomorrow we wake up and Cubs are 2 up with 4 games to play, even if Brewers sweep. Depending on Brewers outcome if they win Lou starts Hill on the last game of the series.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not agree more
Granted, 2 runs ain't gonna win you many games, but that play wasn't good.
by SouthsideCub on Sep 26, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do bad plays frequently get labelled loafing?
It's similar to last week when someone blamed Rich Hill for not properly covering bunts as laziness. He's a bad fielder. I'm sure he would like to be a better fielder but right now he is not. I don't think Hill stands there on the mound thinking that other players should make the play.
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear HERE
The play was Murton's. In RF he gets slow jumps off the bat, I know the Cubs know this and i suspect tomorrow when the face Olsen, Jones will be starting in CF and Monroe in RF.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Hear HERE
Would it be crazy to suggest rolling the dice on Pie's bat and starting him tonight?
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pie appears to be on the edge
They are working him for next year and getting what they can out of him this year. I am certain Lou would like to put him in CF almost entirely and then platoon Jones in RF but now he can't.
Over the year the RF'er have not hurt us too bad, they are run and retrieve for the most part unless the ball is hit in their area. Murton and Floyd play so deep that they give up a hit a series.
Ironically for 36 hits in 171 AB's he has 26 runs and 19 RBI's, now compare that to Murton who has 21 RBI's and 33 runs with 64 hits and 227 AB's....or Jones who has 59 RBI's and 51 Runs with 121 hits in 441 AB's....and you see the potential.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im with you man, but
by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou gave Pie his at bats.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes this is why the Brewers are in a two-hole
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's nonsense
by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are too harsh with small sample sizes
at one time we said Jones was a bust...in June he has 51 AB's 9 hits, and then he turned it around.
Let's see in June Theriot had 76 AB's and 17 hits, (.224 BA) and he is celebrated, why because he is celebrated and he turned it on in July and August, but in September he again is 19 for 82 batting .232.
In July and August the mighty Derrick Lee was basically a .253 hitter, (.257 and .250) for the two months, was he a bust then going 18 for 70 and 27 for 108?
Monroe is a role player but he can play a better RF than Floyd or Murton and that is not nonsense
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry no facts allowed
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL....
Monroe is not a godscend right now....bad year all around, that does not mean that yesterday's HR could not shoot confidence into him where tomorrow with another start he goes 3-4...and a couple extra base hits....
Suddenly he is 13 for 47....batting .276 and his numbers don't look bad.....
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue is Monroe
With Det .222/.264/.637
With Chi .227/.306/.692
That's over 387 ABs
Murton .282/.356/.783
If you look deeper, you'll see that the reason he has a small sample size is because he's no longer a decent player. Do you really suggest that Detroit would dump him in the middle of a playoff race if he had value to them? It's hard to expect much value from a player who was DFA'd by a playoff contender. And that's what we got.
by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
granted...his 2007 numbers are not good
the answer is not offense, but defense, he is a better defender than Murton....period....last night Murton showed what his liability is, he gets poor breaks on balls, worse than he did in left field where he was adequate...Murton should have had the duck snort with bases loaded and then there were three outs...the double would have led off the next inning.....
Murton has produced 5.63 runs per 27 outs, roughly right next to Randy Winn, ranked 5th out of 10 of regulars in the NL....but DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.....that is not nonsense
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If defense wins championships
I reality, it's a mixture of offense, defense and baserunning. There are much better defenders than Manny Ramirez and Dunn and Bonds and Alou.
And that's no nonsense.
by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D Train
6th row.... The Home Plate Umpire Fletcher is
a good case for K Track. D Train had a good
game he was as usual all over the place that
is why he can be hard to hit.
Lilly I think I can hit that big looping slow
curve out .... it comes up there like a 16"
softball in slo mo......... attendance 16k
mostly Cub Fans..... going again tonite.
by FlaCub on Sep 26, 2007 9:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally relaxing
by AndHart120 on Sep 26, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Motivation may be there
by Cajuncub on Sep 26, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the Marlins b-cast team
He was (with a tad bit of help from the HP ump) dominating. I fully expect the Marlins to deal him off, and I think this performance just upped the ante a bit. Or, perhaps -- renegotiate and THEN deal him off.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2007 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ive heard this from many people
by kylejo on Sep 26, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was there
tons of well hit balls... they just happened to be right at guys
a wide strike zone that allowed him to get ahead early and forced hitters to "protect" late led to a much better performance on paper than in person
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaks
Game of inches, or in Andy Fletchers case, 6-9 inches.
by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The difference
The Cubs still looked very focused.
Lou will have them relaxed and focused on what the goal is.
I feel good about the last 5 games. Just work on the next one and worry about eh next 4 one by one.
by Scott G F on Sep 26, 2007 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, al...
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
BTW, that ballpark is so bad and so depressing to watch and probably depressing to play in.
by Hammer on Sep 26, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, i feel much worse this morning.
so, the cubs have to win 3-5 at least. and if they can't win tonight, well then it's going to be tough, especially since they still have to face harang. i'm on board the must win train. let's hope we see the good marquis today and he goes about 7 shutout innings. and let's hope we see about 8 cub doubles. don't swing for the fences boys, swing for the gaps.
how bout we finally beat the marlins. have we really lost 8 in a row to one the worst teams in the league?
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh, and i don't feel good about the cardinals
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then again, i little cubs W
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expected the Brewers to sweep the Cards
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, the padres are also reeling.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The worse team in baseball history
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The man's name was Jeff Bennett...
by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 26, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by AndHart120 on Sep 26, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, it would. my error.
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, if the cubs can win 3 of the next 5
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
n/t
Is a 1 game playoff a must win? :)
by salparadise23 on Sep 26, 2007 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha. i suppose if you want to get to the playoffs.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To Predict....
by BillHoldenFan on Sep 26, 2007 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a must win.
Yet. If it gets down to 1 game, then it's a must win.
by salparadise23 on Sep 26, 2007 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd agree with you...
you're right though. if the cubs don't win tonight, then tomorrow's the first must win of the year technically, and all the rest of the games will be as well. however, if the cubs are going to make the playoffs, i really think they have to win tonight.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Observation on the standings board
All of the National League division leaders have 5 games left with a 2 game lead and therefore a magic number of 4.
the D-backs, Mets and Cubs are all in the same situation. It'll be a hell of a week.
by El Borto on Sep 26, 2007 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my 8-year old son...
so, relax everyone, because my son has proven to be prophetic on more than one occasion.
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes. that's what we need.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's Not Panic Just Yet...
Let's go get 'em...
by initram on Sep 26, 2007 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs odds still 96%, as AZ, as NYM all 2-G leads
They expect the Cubs to win 86 games (obviously they expected the Cubs to lose to Willis) although they have increased Milwaukee's win rate to 84 games.
Ironically they have Philly winning the WC but none have an over 50% shot as SD is 39% and Philly 43%, COLO has now grown to a 23% and Atlanta 2%.
Cubs have to win into the playoffs, a win tonight will eleviate some of your concerns, Florida is playing well but Cubs lost because they did not make a defensive play to stem a big inning. The umpire sucked and I suspect the umps will be very testy for the SD thing.
They are going to bait and justify their actions collectively or at least the bad guys, so beware.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to rain on Pythagoras' parade.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
human experience there is always the exception
I will take 97% as a probable certainty in the course of human events as a good barameter.
Now Fraggin you already said you are superstitious and probably fretting over everything....searching to find a reason for your fear and anxiety...
Now the Cubs could collapse, that has happened, but they are more likely to win three more games out of 5 and finish 86-76. I have thought all along that the Brewers will win 4 of the next 5 and fall short.
Listen all the Cubs have to do is execute like they have since June 3rd were they have won 61-45. Cubs win the next three...CHC Wed-84, Mil-82 Thur-CHC-85, Mil-83; CHC Fri-86, Mil-83...CUBS clinch....
Just to give you a sense of the other pressure.
I could see the following scenerio...
Wed AZ-89, SD-87, NY-88, PHI-86, CO-86 ATL-83; Thurs AZ-90, SD-87, NY-88 PHI-86, CO-86, ATL-84; FRI-AZ-90, SD 88, NY-89, PHI-87, CO-87, ATL-85; Sat AZ-90, SD-88, NY-89, PHI-88, CO-88, ATL-86 (OUT), Sun AZ-90, SD-89, NY-90, PHI-89, CO-89
Out of this AZ get first bid on tie breaker, NY is number two, Cubs number three, WC is a playoff with SD & PHI game play in, where CO has the bye and then CO in game 2 on Tues.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary. I coincide with your analysis.
I just saw the article in the Post this morning and thought it is a good read. But to me, those 4 exceptions in 20 years prove that there are intangibles in baseball (as in life, in general) whose impact numbers can't predict with precision. Example: The Padres go to Milwaukee limping, as a team. How relevant is their record up to date if the regular lineup isn't able to play? I don't know the answer to that. Is there a numerical way to analyze it? I'm sure there is. Just as I'm sure there is one to explain those 4 exceptions to the Pythagorean rule in 20 years. Can the numbers predict the outcome? No, they can't.
I just come back to what I heard a baseball announcer say once: The baseball is round but they package it in a square box.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is a good discussion
Cameron produces about 5.01 runs per 27 outs, (compare that to D-Lee the Cubs leader of 7.30)
Bradley produces 8.86 per 27 outs, Hairston is 5.29 runs per 27 outs.
Clark is 3.47 runs per 27 outs....ironically both contributed in last nights game as Hairston hit a HR and Clark drove in a run before Giles 3-run HR.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based upon the 97% probability
by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is...
by John Q Freejazz on Sep 26, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is subjective analysis
The Cardinals are spent...and I thought they would be swept a few weeks back. More importantly the Cubs don't have injuries and their winning percentage is their own making.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
My point is that both the Cardinals and the Padres are much right now they have been most of the year.
So that is not to say that the Cards and Pads will lose every game, but that the current odds lean towards them losing more than winning.
by John Q Freejazz on Sep 26, 2007 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padres are playing bad....
Longest Losing Streak:(4) 9/21/24 others are(4/8-to-4/12, & 7/20-to-7/23)
September they are 12-11
Last Ten: 6-4
Streak 1 winning
Series 1-1 with @SF
Previous series; lost 3 swept against CO (part of longest losing streak)
Previous series: swept Pittsburgh
Previous once removed: swept SF
Sorry they are playing hot and cold...pressure baseball....
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They also
by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 26, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why must your team tempt fate so?
by FriendlyCardFan on Sep 26, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Why must your team tempt fate so?
And where is santosotherlegs to refute this Cards fan's picture post?
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...I don't mess with Cardinals fans...
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 26, 2007 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you...
by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 26, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i truly don't get it.
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you new to this?
the rest of the year we're pretty much terrified
Look i'm a numbers person and I understand the odds of us getting into the playoffs are very strong, but even though i know and believe in how powerful numbers and probabilities are i cant help but be scarred from the past
the past memories of disappointment loom heavily and its human nature when you've been burned so many times to be a bit scared of being burned again
we're not saying we dont think the Cubs will make it, we're just saying that we're a wee bit terrified of having to feel that pain again
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: are you new to this?
The only minor correction I'd make to this is I'd change "...the only time confidence is ever high is in March" to "...the only time confidence is ever high is in January" -- namely, at the Cubs convention.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardly!
...a fan for 40 years!
to be anxious is understandable, but to have low confidence, in the current scenario, is quite another!
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and thanks...
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2003, Game-158, Cubs 1-up and start ESTES
The next day Houston starts Redding and win while the Cubs start Zambrano and LOSE to Cinci...
Houston and Chicago are tied....
Friday Cubs are rained out and Milwaukee plays Houston in the dome and start Roberson and lose, fall 1/2 game back. Saturday they start Villone and lose again....while the Cubs win a DH with Prior and Clement clinching it with 2 up and 1 remaining.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved that DH
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
catalyst?
i didnt cite a single memory....
i made a generic response that explained how most of us feel...
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you ever...
sheesh, people certainly are uptight nowadays!
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About halfway through last night's game...
Emotionally, I can absorb last night's loss. If any of the three pitchers the Cubs face in this series are to beat them, Willis was the most likely anyway.
And as I've felt all year, this team is always good for a comeback at some point in the game -- to wit, I give you Craig Monroe's first home run as a Cub. Yeah, the comeback wasn't enough but, as Al mentioned, take away those bloop hits in the second and suddenly you're looking at a tie or even a win.
In any case, call tonight's game a "must win." Call it a "gotta win". Call it whatever you want. Any more losses in this series won't be as easy to absorb.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, stop with the "Ex Cub Factor"
You can either play or trade your prospects. Nobody -- not even the Marlins knew Willis was going to be a Cy Young candidate. They got lucky. Eventually, they will lose him because they will not pay him.
And he wasn't pitching against the Cubs in anger. Willis, from reports I have seen in the past is still close to Jim Hendry. Hendry liked the kid, personally. Willis has said he appreciated that he was able to go somewhere to pitch immediately. There's no ill will between Willis and the Cubs front office.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Oh, stop with the "Ex Cub Factor"
And, hey, who's to say his history with the Cubs organization didn't somehow play into his stellar performance? I mean, he doesn't necessarily have to be angry at Hendry, et al. for trading him to pitch so well. He could merely be trying to impress his former boss, whom he still respects. Or maybe he just had a really good night.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
weather update
completely dark, been raining all morning
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't matter
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
out of curiousity
by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 26, 2007 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NLCS...
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, great site and great Cub dialog, but could
Thanks for your consideration.
by billybuck on Sep 26, 2007 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I agree with you.
I don't mind the occasional profanity, but I would like to ask everyone to keep it to a minimum.
Thanks.
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think avoiding entire message board threads
by joeschmitt on Sep 26, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I stated during game threads, which I
by billybuck on Sep 26, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
It just makes me happy I'm not that close to the ledge if the Cubs are down by 2 in the 5th inning. Panic posters don't want to hear that the game is a little over half way finished and the Cubs have more chances to win, which they ended up doing making me look like a wise old Sage.
by Scott G F on Sep 26, 2007 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should visit Halos Heaven
He wrote me a personal E-Mail, called me a 'troll' and promptly banned me from his site.
I agree that profanity should be kept to a minimum -- there have to be some kids reading. But it shouldn't be banned altogether.
But the lamebrain at Halo Heaven couldn't write without profanity, so he wouldn't know what to do if those words were taken out of his vocabulary.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2007 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there's some irony that the site was called
Just to clarify, I was looking for some language that addressed abusive language in the community guidelines. It looks like some good guidelines exist for intolerant/prejudiced remarks, but nothing addressing profanity. It really only seems to be excessive during game time threads so I just wanted people to try to keep it toned down a bit. It really adds nothing to the discussion.
I appreciate your support.
by billybuck on Sep 26, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be glad to tell you!
it looks like the 2-3-2 format.
Source:
http://pressbox.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/mlb/y2007/m05/d14/c1964536.jsp
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, Fielder
by montanacubby on Sep 26, 2007 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by Alfonso on Sep 26, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to panic just yet....
by Alfonso on Sep 26, 2007 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well. . .
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We just have to ride this out
A real team will come in after that. A team with integrity and honor and a team not full of gutless punks and led by a scumbag hypocrite drunk.
We all knew Milwaukee was going to sweep the Cardinals. That was a done deal. No sense worrying about it now.
by lancaster99 on Sep 26, 2007 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by TheJay on Sep 26, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Called thrid strike on DeRosa
by SouthsideCub on Sep 26, 2007 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That one was pretty bad
Speaking of the Marlins announcers, they spent a lot of time in that 2nd inning on the 2003 series and specifically the Bartman situation. They even replayed it going into the break. Come on guys, I know there are only about 500 Marlins fans watching the game, so can you please keep the stupidity in check?
by montanacubby on Sep 26, 2007 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore.
That's why I loved the interview they did to a Cubs fan dressed as Harry Caray. To a comment about them rooting loudly he answered that it wasn't his fault that there were only about 50 Marlins fans in attendance and the rest were Cubs fans. Well said!
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 26, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe...
in any event, yes, well said!
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: Must See YouTube TV!
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the clip's from YouTube
I won't tase you, bro.
by CubFaninNY on Sep 26, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh, you're right...
And thanks about the not tasing thing. That hurts!
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Padres
I just want to point out that the "no offense" Padres hit 3 HRs yesterday and scored 4 in the top of the 9th against Brian Wilson who had a sub 1 ERA going into the game.
There is a reason they are in the playoff hunt, and despite their bad luck with injuries recently, they will put up a fight until they clinch or are eliminated.
by El Borto on Sep 26, 2007 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed....
You know who else is in a "MUST WIN" situation? The BREWERS!! They lose and its a pretty dismal situation too.
Lets go out tonight and get the job done, 1 game at a time...
by BillHoldenFan on Sep 26, 2007 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Scenario
by TCobb1911 on Sep 26, 2007 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really
by TCobb1911 on Sep 26, 2007 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course
In the post game interviews neither Lou or the players seemed down or depressed about the loss. Several of them said they didn't expect to win all of the games.
The Cubs just need to take care of the Cubs and if they do that they will be fine.
by sue369 on Sep 26, 2007 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the standings on paper
by Def Kenny T on Sep 26, 2007 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cheers!!!!!!!!
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesdays
by cozmotaylor on Sep 26, 2007 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesdays
by cozmotaylor on Sep 26, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, today is wednesday.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want lots of doubles today.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Take Deep Breaths and Think Happy Thoughts
Cubs win 5 of 6 on the final homestand of the year extending their lead over Milwaukee to 3 games.
Cubs drop first game of final roadtrip yesterday, Milwaukee wins and the lead is 2 with 5 left to play.
So we've won 5 of the last 7, 10 of 13 and Milwaukee is chasing us, not us chasing them, right?
Let's show some backbone and have some FAITH in our team.
GO CUBS GO !!!
by wrigley1 on Sep 26, 2007 11:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
EVERYONE
by BillHoldenFan on Sep 26, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cardinals
by tbizzle83 on Sep 26, 2007 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who cares really...
And if what you say is true, then we will worry about it next year seeing that we wont play either team the rest of the year.
by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear, HERE
Tonight is Barone...he is a real minor leaguer with only one good start in 5, he has fifteen appearances....Cubs should smoke him good and get him out of there by the 3 inning.
Marquis pitch a good experienced game to the 7th and all is well. Every playoff team goes through this, it keeps them on the edge, teams have to win into the playoffs, not back in.
That would put more pressure on the Brewers for tomorrow...facing SD and knowing the Cubs are winning.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most....
Applies to October as well.
by HIGGY on Sep 26, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact you are correct
Listen last night was a game where Cubs did not make the critical defensive play of the game. Murton catches that bloop or DeRosa catches it, no runs score.....
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the great thing about St. Louis
As for the Cards fans, it doesn't surprise me. "The best fans in baseball" are weak and hate the Cubs. They will cheer against their own team to get some kind of odd revenge against us. It's really sick and twisted. I would never root for the Cubs to lose to any team. The Cards can forfeit right now and I don't care. Even the 2003 Tigers won 1/4 of their games, so I see the Pads taking at least 1 of the 4 games this weekend. We just need to go 3-2 and it's done. Stop complaining about the Cards and realize they are dealing with half a deck.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And everyone accused Houston of it too
I guess Pittsburgh tanked for the Cubs. After all, they won yesterday once they left Wrigley Field. They must not have been trying against the Cubs. Izturis must have convinced them to let the Cubs win.
Milwaukee has the best home record in the NL. St. Louis is an injury riddled team. This tanking talk is the worst.
The Cubs need to win and it doesn't matter what Milwaikee does.
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's stop with the conspiracy theories...
We really shouldn't even be paying attention to what the Brewers are doing right now. If we're a playoff caliber team (which I believe we are) then we should take the next 2 from the Marlins and take 2 of 3 from the Reds. Let's take care of business and not worry about what the Cardinals or Padres are going to do/not do.
by bergs55 on Sep 26, 2007 12:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know what the problem is!
by MN exile on Sep 26, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deadspin has just undone us all
http://deadspin.com/sports/chicago-cubs/looking-fate-in-the-eye-and-scoffing-303765.php
Thanks a lot, Will.
by bloomerang on Sep 26, 2007 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re: Deadspin has just undone us all
Season ticket holders buy a "strip" of tickets that represent the ENTIRE possible playoff run of a team -- so there are 3 Division Series, 4 Championship Series, and 4 World Series tickets in a "strip". The only thing that changes is the team logo and "American" vs. "National". (Note that in the picture there's a Cubs WS Game 4 ticket, which is impossible, because the AL has home field.)
So this is just standard procedure for MLB -- NOT THE CUBS -- that's done every year (as Rob I. notes). And there aren't just WS tix for the Cubs out there -- there are WS tix for the Phillies, the Mets, the Yankees, the Padres, the Diamondbacks, the Brewers, and probably Seattle.
I know you can't believe everything you read online, but his comments sound pretty knowledgable to me. If anyone cares to refute them, please feel free.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The comments
"which 3rd world country will be wallpapering their homes with those babies next month"
"tomorrow's pitching matchup - Dewey v. Truman"
by BigJimSlade on Sep 26, 2007 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Dave Ryan"
The reason those tickets say "Game 4" is because they are for Game Four!!!!!!
Because the WS home field is determined far in advance, they print WS tickets with the actual game number, rather than "Home Game 1", etc. as they do for the other series.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for this person to understand. I'm going to head over to Deadspin and refute it myself.
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, never mind.
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: "Dave Ryan"
My main reason for passing along his words, though, is simply to arm all Cubs fans with the truth about the so-called "premature" printing of post-season tickets and any "tempting of fate" it may entail.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts....
In 2003 I was convinced the cubs had no chance when Houston and Milwaukee played - milwaukee was a BAD team that year. Bad. And things worked out for the best - Houston couldn't get it done because their pitching problems throughout the year came back to bite them in the butt.
This year, the brewers pitching and defense has been awful, their offense completely reliant upon the home run. If Gallardo and Villanueva keep pitching out of their minds, the Brewers still have to throw Dave Bush, Jeff Suppan, and Capuano or Vargas once more. There's a really good chance one of the Brewer starters has an awful start and loses one on their own against the Padres. And even with a good start, the bullpen has proven that they are capable of gagging away a game.
Look at the ATL series. The Brewers should have won at least 3 of the 4 in ATL. They should've beaten the no-name on Thursday, didn't because they didn't hit home runs with men on base. Should've lost to Hudson on Friday, but ATL couldn't hit Villanueva. Saturday, the bullpen and D let them down in a big way, ditto Sunday.
I just don't see them playing flawless D, getting lockdown bullpen performance, getting 5 straight quality starts, AND hitting home runs at the same pace.
In addition, the Cubs are done with the one scary arm on the Marlins. They will likely have another poor effort against Harang, but proved they can hit Arroyo. I think they win the last two of this series and win one in Cincy, they are in with no playoff. I think the Brewers will lose at least one to the Pods & that should do it.
Keep the faith, all. Let's hope LaRussa can pull out a rabbit tonight & the cubs can get that magic number to 2.
by BigJimSlade on Sep 26, 2007 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will is a Cards fan
by BigJimSlade on Sep 26, 2007 12:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just came back to work from lunch
by TCobb1911 on Sep 26, 2007 1:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
TOTALLY AGREE
and
2- the cubs will get em tonight!
by BigZ 4 Cy on Sep 26, 2007 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree w/ rlpete
by BigJimSlade on Sep 26, 2007 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure DeRosa is below average glove
Dan Uggla,
Kelly Johnson,
Craig Biggio,
Ray Durham,
Jeff Kent,
Rickie Weeks,
Zone rating of .854 would put him #2 behind Utley and ahead of SD's Giles, one thing is his range is near the bottom at 4.55 right ahead of Biggio.
So there you have it both Murton and DeRosa have limited range and it cost them yesterday.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Range Factor
Assists+ Putouts/Games or Innings. So a team like the Cubs, that strikes out a lot of batters, will be lower across the board in RF because fewer balls are put in play. So it's not a real accurate assessment.
by The Lip on Sep 26, 2007 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutley!
zone rating is a much better gauge of a fielder's range.
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
absolutley = absolutely
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the hell can't we beat the Marlins?
by Mapmaker on Sep 26, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have Faith
The Cubs are going to take care of business because thats the kind of team they have this year. Yes it would help if the Cardinals actually put up a fight (22-6 over two games is Expos territory), but we don't need them to.
Believe in Lou's crew.
by Orval Overall on Sep 26, 2007 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its been said before
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I detect a little panic in your posting
I did see a lot of hard hit balls right at the Marlins players.
If Willis struck out 12 or 15 then I might be worried, but I'm not. No ball fell, no bloop helped at a key moment.
That's baseball.
A win today will solve a lot of problems. A win coupled with a Brewer loss would really solve a lot of problems.
Frankly I'd rather be where the Cubs are then the Brewers are.
Am I right...of course I am.
Enjoy this!!!
by Scott G F on Sep 26, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look..
And the year before? Dusty's team couldn't beat anybody, and the Marlins (under Joe Girardi) were in the race, and at the time -- way more competitive than the Cubs.
So, the "8 losses in a row" is somewhat misleading.
Last night was a superb -- near perfect performance by Willis, with a friendly umpire.
Let it go.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 26, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hitting s/b pitching
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In yesterday's game
All in all, we played well enough to win, but it just didn't happen. We've now faced their #1 pitcher. I expect us to sweep the next 2 games. Enjoy the ride. This is what sports is all about for a fan.
by tharr on Sep 26, 2007 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's baseball I guess
by Mapmaker on Sep 26, 2007 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thursday's Starter
by ms9av on Sep 26, 2007 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another thought
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BINGO....you nailed it
Cubs win today the number falls to 3, Hill can pitch tomorrow and except for one bloop inning the lefty corraled the Fish...win two...and the number is minimum 2....pitch your best Zambrano on Friday...regular rest....win three in a row and see if the Brewers can win 5 in row, doubtful.
He is planning that Trachsel and Marshall can pitch two meaningless games in Cincinnati....
But what he is doing is keeping his options open but also positioning himself for the future.
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also it gets Zambrano out of the Harang
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: BINGO....you nailed it
The Cubs are in the midst of two very winnable series here. I hope we see some killer instinct tonight.
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds rookies did the damage
Maybe this time the Cubs beat Harang. I don't think the Cubs have lost sight of their goal. I think everyone can do the math.
Most of these teams are about even in talent, despite the Marlins and Reds' poor records. Players have a lot of pride.
And if the Cubs want it bad enough, they will win. They've held first place almost the whole month of September.
by Butchoh31 on Sep 26, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we should go with Hill
The Reds on the other hand are missing Dunn, Griffey, and Hamilton. Right now Phillips is batting cleanup. They are a very young team trying out Votto, Coats, etc. Trachsel may have some veteran tricks up his sleeve to work through the lineup two times.
Also with Thursday vs. Saturday, we know how much we have to lean on the bullpen. If we are lucky and we clinch by Saturday, give Trachsel some breathing room. If it's tight, put Trach on a short leash and bring in the bullpen.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
by chr15 on Sep 26, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This game needs to start already
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like rain...
by JoToPo on Sep 26, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it something?
by BigJimSlade on Sep 26, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weather update
the radar shows rain, rain, and more rain
i havent seen sun yet today
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I'm just trying to keep people informed of the weather down here (for those who dont happen to be in south fla)
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post wasn't directed at you
by rlpete on Sep 26, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to The Weather Channel...
by dat cubfan daver on Sep 26, 2007 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here's the radar
the stadium is between fort lauderdale and hialeah, you can zoom in and find dolphins stadium
its getting consistent rain all day
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
by MasterofUnlocking on Sep 26, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think anyone
they'll do everything they can to play it, that doesnt mean they'll be able to
it has been non-stop raining for the last 10 hours as far as i can tell, and the radar shows this thing is just sitting on top of us here in south fla
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 26, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of right now, 4:30 pm CT...
by Al on Sep 26, 2007 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
by park on Sep 26, 2007 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 3:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
don't say that :-)
by Chanman25 on Sep 26, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys crack me up
Or register on the Marlins/Brewers/Cardinals, etc. website and say good things about them.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry,
by park on Sep 26, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
The smiley face is kind of important. I can't pick up tone from text.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no
by park on Sep 26, 2007 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's
by park on Sep 26, 2007 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
day or night game?
by rm463 on Sep 26, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Depends If...
by initram on Sep 26, 2007 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today is Wednesday
So the odds are with us, even if the baseball/weather gods are not.
by JFCubFan on Sep 26, 2007 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now that you said that
I believe it's 0-8 though.
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 26, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seems like a fine day to win a game.
by buckmulligan on Sep 26, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Less than two hours
Need a decent 6 innings from Marquis, too.
by Hugest Canadian Cubs Fan on Sep 26, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Record this year
by park on Sep 26, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if anyone is watching Milwaukee down to 3 outs
by Ivy Walls on Sep 26, 2007 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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