Three The Hard Way
I don't know what to say.
Wait, wait. Yes, I do.
The beginning of the Yahoo recap of the Cubs' 7-4 loss to the Marlins read as follows, before they just changed it:
September 26, 2007
MIAMI (AP) -- Panic, Cubs fans.
The Cubs' grip on the NL Central lead became shaky Wednesday night, when they were shut out over the final 5 2-3 innings and lost for the second night in a row to the last-place Florida Marlins, 7-4.
I reloaded the page just before I started writing this morning, and now it reads:
September 26, 2007
MIAMI (AP) -- Alfonso Soriano dressed slowly. Aramis Ramirez hunched over his postgame meal. Mark DeRosa sprawled on a couch. All focused on the TV in the corner of the clubhouse, hoping for help.
I'm glad they changed that (apparently an AP editor got to work this morning and chastised Mr. Wine for editorializing in a game recap!), because panic is one thing that we should NOT do -- I haven't even read the game thread from last night yet; I'm almost afraid to -- and I know one thing about the 2007 Cubs: Lou Piniella won't LET them panic.
Last night's game, really, turned on one play: Mark DeRosa's errant throw on what should have been an inning-ending double play in the second inning. Only one of the three runs that subsequently scored was unearned, because you can't assume a double play on such a throw, but let's say the Cubs turn that DP.
In that case, the Cubs get out of the inning with a 2-1 lead and maybe Jason Marquis settles down. He didn't pitch great, but he wasn't all that bad, either -- when he left the game for pinch-hitter Sam Fuld in the sixth, the Cubs trailed only 5-4.
Then, unfortunately, Carlos Marmol chose a really bad time to have one of his worst outings of the year -- Miguel Cabrera's two-run HR, only the third HR Marmol's allowed all season and the first since July 22, put the game away after it had gone into the seventh inning, still agonizingly close at 5-4. Marmol's been so automatic, so good -- he hadn't allowed any runs at all in his last 18 appearances, that we find ourselves shocked when he looks mortal.
But the bottom line is: do not panic!! I happened to be out last night for a while, and so missed a lot of the carnage on TV -- and when I got home, I found myself yelling, screaming at my TV, rooting for the detested Cardinals when they put their 7-3 win over the Brewers away with a four-run eighth inning -- all four of the runs scoring with two out; in doing so the Cardinals, our bitter arch-rival, helped us reduce the magic number to three.
Now how weird is THAT?? I'm glad I don't have to do THAT any more this year.
The NL playoff race is nothing short of bizarre. If you think the Cubs are having a tough week, imagine being a Mets fan -- they just got swept by the Nationals... at home. The Pirates, who came into Wrigley Field and got swept and got outscored 30-13 by the Cubs, have just won two straight from the Diamondbacks, who entered the series with the best record in the National League. The Colorado Rockies, who were 6.5 games out of first place and fourth in the wild card race eleven days ago after losing two straight to the Marlins AT HOME (!), have now won ten games in a row and stand two games out of first place and one out of the wild card lead. Oh, and what did the Rockies do after losing those two games to Florida, in so doing being outscored 17-8? They beat them 13-0 -- beginning their current ten-game winning streak.
That puts seven teams (Cubs, Brewers, Mets, Phillies, Diamondbacks, Padres, Rockies) within two games of a playoff spot with four games remaining, and not a single spot wrapped up. It's the tightest race there has been since MLB went to the three-division-wild-card setup thirteen years ago.
It is exciting, and I remind you again:

Keep the faith, keep believing, know that this team does know how to win, and we'll move onward. I'll have a game thread up early this afternoon.
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Today
Its time to change that TODAY!
-"Just take it easy man"
-"YEAH, WAVING THE F*ING GUN AROUND?"
"Calmer than you are."
-"Will you just take it easy?!"
"Calmer than you are."
Anything and everything I need to know came from this fantastic movie
Nothing's f***ed here, dude.
by mrsmiff on Sep 27, 2007 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Easy
10 year olds dude
The greatest movie of all time!
by Les Lancaster on Sep 27, 2007 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
have a refreshing
No, The Big Lebowski
AWESOME FLICK!
The dude is in the bath with a white russian and candles lit and the ferret patrol comes in and starts bashing his furniture/furnishings with a baseball bat...
The dude peeks around the corner and says "Uh, this is a private residence."
Always has me laughing out loud!
by Kinky Reggae on Sep 27, 2007 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
My fav scene
by Les Lancaster on Sep 27, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
They have been...
re: They have been...
Shmoer Shavis!
OVER THE LINE...OVER THE LINE!!!
Her life is in your hands dude...
He asked me to repeat it. Her life is in your hands.
GREAT flick
as long as we're on the movie tip, I suggest if Trachsel gets snippy and gets shelled, Piniella beats him with a hotel towel full of oranges like that scene in "the grifters"
by BigJimSlade on Sep 27, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It feels like the Marlins...
by Orval Overall on Sep 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
A win today
by SouthsideCub on Sep 27, 2007 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
That is not the preferred nomenclature.
"What do you need that for, Dude?"
When I'm on another board...
by michaelb on Sep 27, 2007 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
yesterday was a good day
time to remove head from arse gentleman and go grab a win this afternoon.
It's hard Al,
Go Padres!
The Padres
by Ihatethecards on Sep 27, 2007 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not the type
If you do read the thread from last nights game you will notice several ledge jumpers in there. I hope they all made it though the night. :)
Here is an article that says Hart and Soto may be considered for the playoff team. It also says Hendry refuses to talk to Lou about the playoff team until they clinch a postseason berth.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/577077,CST-SPT-cubnt27.article
wow, considered?
yeah, that's crazy
by Orval Overall on Sep 27, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't Panic
by Jaxxonfan on Sep 27, 2007 8:29 AM CDT reply actions
nothing like
Thanks Al
I also think you need to add to that the fact that the Dolphin looks like one of the most depressing places to play baseball; in Bob Howry's words on Boers & Bernstein yesterday, it's "the deadest". That's not making THE difference, but I do think it makes A difference.
Look, say what you will about Trachsel, but if there's anyone I want on the mound right now, it's a seasoned vet who, if not the most consistently impressive, you know is at least capable of a few surprises. Hey, if Estes can do it, Trachs can do it.
I'll be listening to Pat and Ronnie on my way up to Miller to watch that game with my buddy who's probably the biggest Madres fan in Chitown. He assures me this Cassel kid can get the job done against an imploding Brew Crew. Let's hope he's right.
by mrsmiff on Sep 27, 2007 8:30 AM CDT reply actions
Soto
I was surprised to see that, too.
today is a day game after a night game as well
and I think those in attendance last night would say that you're being very very kind to Jason Marquis
he was awful last night, and you cant assume a DP on that ball with Hanley Ramirez running down the baseline OR that MArquis would've gotten out of that inning. He was pitching away from contact and when he was getting hit he was getting hit HARD
Marquis has been much better than i imagined this year and i would mark year 1 down as a victory for this signing, but his overall numbers are also misleading lost in his 4.43 ERA are also 13 unearned runs which he's allowed which are far more than any member on the staff
and while they dont count against his ERA they still count... the meltdown in Atlanta comes to mind where those runs were unearned, but really his fault with a throwing error
Again, the Marquis signing on a whole has been a positive one this year, but those that have suggested they feel most comfortable with him on the mound in a big game, etc must not be watching the same guy i'm watching... Rich Hill, Ted Lilly, and Big Z are all FAR SUPERIOR pitchers to Jason
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Not so sure about Hill...
take a closer look
In 16 starts this year he's allowed 2 ER's or less
in only 7 of Hill's 31 starts has he allowed 5 runs or more (not just ER's)
Marquis has 15 QS in 33 starts
in 13 starts this year Marquis has allowed 2 ER's or less
in 11 of Marquis starts he's allowed 5 or more Runs (not just ER's)
your eyes and your gut are deceiving you
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not susrprised.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2007 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
this seems contradicting
but then you're saying he's quicker to realize the young talent over the veteran????
it seems like Lou is going back to Kendall by naming him his starter the rest of the way (as others have alleged in this thread)
seems to me to be pretty much the same as Dusty.... took Riot a long time to overtake Izturis...
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Veterans
Kendall's
he's now down to .275-.366-.365 which is still better than anything we've gotten PG (Pre-Geovany) and better than Kendall was with the A's... but he's not even close to Soto offensively or defensively right now and his 4.27 cERA with the Cubs is worse than Michael Barrett
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah
it appears Kendall had a sore thumb
Ironically the Suntimes has some notes of whether the Cubs go with 11 or 10 pitchers and if 10 they are going with 3 catchers....just what I was told a few weeks ago.
Watch for a fast hook today and Hart inserted.
I Think Part of The Decision...
Let's get some early runs, and tack on often! Seal the deal.
Go Cubbies!
Cardiac Cubs
DeRosa looked so crest-fallen in the post game interview...yet all the while he has been so terrific this season.
The Baseball Gods smiled on us, so I hope the guys can dig down and pick each other up and get this done!!!
Go Cubs Go !!!
That alien...
Dan
I think we all feel a little dirty...
As I mentioned earlier in the game thread yesterday, however, there could be no Cardinals win last night. If they won the game, they'd only be helping the Cubs -- hardly a victory for them. And if they lost, well, they lost.
But they didn't lose. They won. And they made Yost and the Boo Hoo Crew look like a bunch of whiny babies in the process. Thank you, Deadbirds!
I fired up my notebook too...
I felt dirty celebrating for the Cards but hey, it helped the Cubs and it helped me go to bed not angry and frustrated!
re: I fired up my notebook too...
I just pray we all have something to happy about later today. This losing streak against the Marlins has gone from annoying to downight ridiculous.
You're brother goes to St. Norbert's?
by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 27, 2007 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes he does...
For one game...
I couldn't care less how many Cardinals get plunked. LaRussa has made a career out of plunking people, so a little payback is fine with me.
As for Cubs fans, I am sick and tired of seeing screen names for the first time when the Cubs are losing.
Listen, you bunch of daisies, either show up when it's good and bad or don't show up at all. I can't imagine the sick pleasure someone takes in only being critical.
We support OUR team. We criticize teams like the scumbag Cardinals and the immature Brewers and the snotty Marlins and the satanic Mets.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 8:56 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks Al,
p.s. Mike, love the socks...
Agreed...
Take your superstitions and shove them. You can have my magic number when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers!
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Al, please talk me off the ledge.
Despite all the positive feelings we are sending them from this site, they look horrible right now. They had to figure that the Brewers would win last night and they still couldn't get it done. We all are very lucky today the leads not down to 1. Now we are counting on Trachsel? If the bats don't get it done today, we are in trouble.
Also, to all the posters who speculated on the cardinals tanking, I hope you watched the game last night. Pujols played when he's hurt and the Cardinals really took it to the Brewers. Remember the unexpected help we got from the Brewers in '03?
I give the Cardinals no credit
Yeah, they won. Gave us a lift.
But I'm not ready to vote them playoff shares because they actually did what they are paid to do.
There is no history that matters. That garbage is for fans and media. Players don't care.
The team is putting pressure on itself. But it's not doing so because of 1969, 1984, 1989 or 2003.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Chill dude...
And we are playing just fine, they only reason it seems that we are not is because the playoffs start next week.
And to address your weight of history? The players are probably more excited to BE history this year, that worry about history. They are all imagining what it would be like to win a World Series with the Cubs, thus making them more motivated to win.
I'm not talking anyone off any ledge
More beer for me on the bandwagon.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Well said, Higgy.
I think Pujols played ...
Still, it's a weird day when I cheer for the fellow and I immediately felt like I needed to shower after ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 27, 2007 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
No wonder they didn't win
They didn't have their towels!
We're still 2 up w/ 4 to play
Today is not a MUST win either for the club. Certainly for their confidence they need to win, but as far as the standings we could very well lose this game and take 2 in Cincy and be fine.
The Padres will be fighting and HAVE to compete today and tomorrow no matter what happens to the other teams.
Remember we're looking down, not up in the situation. Good pitching will get us through the last four. All the little breaks went Florida's way last night, those breaks should come back our way and hopefully before we get to Cincy.
As Al said, KEEP THE FAITH!
by The Ryno and I Know on Sep 27, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions
I'm sick of this MUST WIN garbage
You guys just set yourselves up for the suicide hotline when you attach MUST WIN to something.
If on Monday, we're in a playoff, that's MUST WIN!
If we get down to an elimination game in the playoffs, that is MUST WIN.
Everything else is just IT WOULD BE NICE TO WIN AND GET IT OVER WITH
But that doesn't sound as good in a chalk-talk.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 9:10 AM CDT reply actions
Here here
We can cheerfully lose every last game, so long as the Brewers do the same. THEY are the ones with "must win" games.
Anyways, did anyone REALLY expect the Cubs to win the rest of their games?
Considering...
Don't Panic?
Look at it this way
Look what happened after that.
Too many of you are channeling Mariotti.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Loud, sustained applause!
Hopefully, the last two nights
gosh, soriano
No, not every single time.
It would be really nice if he got hot again starting tonight.
i hope youre right
If you are having a slump...
The baserunning gaffe (yeah, he was really safe) cost us a run that was sorely needed as DLEE hit a HR.
by TheEman on Sep 27, 2007 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been freaking out this week.
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Sep 27, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions
Are you at least
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
ive been working on it
by mike @ Bleed Cubbie Blue on Sep 27, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Hopefully last night
The Cubs only need to worry about themselves. Even a 2-2 record from here should get them in the playoffs. If they can't manage that on the road, they don't deserve the playoffs.
I'm with Al here
Another thing to think about that's to our advantage here... our players are used to playing with the Human Rain Delay by now, so they'll find a way to keep themselves entertained while he lulls the Fish to sleep. He may not have the best stuff, but he's been around the block a few times.
Let's worry about having fun out there and less worrying about trying to clinch the division. The more we enjoy ourselves, the sweeter the division championship will be!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 9:18 AM CDT reply actions
Thank God for this website!
Don't be afraid to
Hey, Mapmaker, Why are you still here? You said
Batting practice / Field drills
They'll probably hit today...
Thanks Al
Perhaps also interesting with the Brews/Madres...
by mrsmiff on Sep 27, 2007 9:33 AM CDT reply actions
Clarification...
by mrsmiff on Sep 27, 2007 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I know where you're coming from but...
This crew has gotta know they'll be under the magnifying glass big time for this series. Not sure what's written in the ump's unofficial rule book, but If there is any retribution in order, now is not the time. My guess is they'll call it straight, they'll call it consistent, and most of all, they'll call it quick so they can get the hell out of there and go home.
The Padres
Alderson had been the MLB executive in charge of umpires before taking the Padres job. He was also responsible for QuesTec.
by Josh Timmers on Sep 27, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's A Healthy Way at Looking at it...
Hay, I just had my first kiss
Losing still stinks.
Not shinola it's the other!
Two things
The error that was charged to DeRosa was really a bad play be Theriot. I understand that Hanley Ramirez can run but the way Theriot approached the throw was Dunston-esque. One of the first things you're taught as a middle infielder is to accept the throw from the 2nd baseman, not fly across the bag and hope to get the throw as you go by. If Theriot's chops his feet at the bag like he should have, the Cubs get at least one out, possibly two. Worst case was guys on 1st and third with two out not first and third, one out and a run scored. That one was on Theriot, not DeRosa.
Relax Cubs Nation. We're fine, and quite frankly, in a better position today than we were yesterday at this time.
Theriot/DeRosa
I have to agree with you.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Utter chaos!
My head is spinning trying to figure out the various possible playoff matchups. I had to grab my head with both hands and breathe. Does anyone know the various matchups that could happen? One thing I know for certain is that there's gotta be at least 5 different scenarios! Can anyone break it down for me?
Thanks!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 9:44 AM CDT reply actions
Don't even try to figure them out.
And the matchups aren't set either, because the Red Sox and Indians are tied for the AL's best record and the Angels still have an outside chance at it, or for the 2nd seed, or...
... damn. This is making my head spin too.
If you want to spin your heads
LET'S GO CUBS...!
Good point, Al
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
matchups are pretty much set
boston cant play the WC Yankees, so they have to play the Angels
the only way things can change is if the Yankees overtake the Red Sox, which would seem like a longshot
if that happened the Yankees would play the Angels and the Red Sox would play the Indians
almost any other scenario involves Boston playing LAA and CLE playing NYY
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Home field advantage...
If Boston reclaims home-field...
Boston is 0-6 this year vs. the Tribe, and the Yankees don't do very well in LA. However, like I've said elsewhere, the postseason is a new season, so who knows what'll happen.
I just wanna know if we're playing the Baby Backs, Friars, Mets, Phillies, or the Rockies! AHH!! My head's spinning again!! Make it stop!!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
thats wrong
- Boston
- Cleveland
- Angels
- Yankees
meaning the Indians would play the Yankees with the Indians having homefield
the only way Boston plays Cleveland is if Anaheim somehow gets homefield advantage or if the Yankees somehow overtake Boston
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
there is no way
Ah....then who is 0-6 against the Tribe this year?
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
thats surprising
you've got it the other way around
and CC Sabathia hasnt won a game against the Yankees since 2001 (i think)
he has a career ERA well over 7 against them
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the one!
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
maybe
its almost certain right now that the 1st rd will be:
LAA @ BOS
NYY @ CLE
the only way this changes is if LAA somehow passes either BOS or CLE, down 2.5 with 4 days left in the season is tough to make up...
otherwise any scenario in which BOS or CLE are 1-2 = Cleveland and Boston getting homefield
If Boston somehow lost their 2 game lead to the Yankees with 4 to play the Yankees would play ANA with homefield advantage...
it looks pretty much set since we know the 4 teams playing and 2 games separate anything from changing
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Interesting...?
So.....we only have 3 WS games at Wrigley.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 27, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Dartmouth
Although, it would seem possible that the Yankees could overtake Boston as they close out the series vs. Tampa Bay and the season in Baltimore. Boston closes the season out with a 4 gamer at home vs. MN.
Cleveland finishes today in Seattle, then head over to KC. Meanwhile, the Halos close out at Oakland.
Out of all these, Boston is the only one playing at home.
Is it possible that NONE of the playoff matchups (AL or NL) are established until the very last day of the season??
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a little clearer
So that means the West and East winners will host the first round. The Wild Card winner will not play the winner of their division. So the Central winner will play the winner of the division where the Wild Card comes from.
Massive Tie Scenario
http://www.baseballmusings.com/
You have to scroll down a little bit to see the Massive Tie Scenario, but once you are there it is well worth it. David is really obsessed about it ;-)
PS: he also linked to Als "tomahawk story"
by Frank Chance on Sep 27, 2007 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Why is NL central different from AL east
Is the difference that in the Yanks/Red Sox example both teams will make the playoff (either as champs or wildcard)?
exactly
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Call me dumb here, but
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the tiebreaker applies.
The Head-To-Head Playoff Game...
I believe it goes:
(1) Head to head record
(2) if tied, it goes to interleague play record
(3) if still tied, it goes to second half of the season interleague play record
(4) if still tied, it ends with the total number of David's sunflower seeds bags consumed during the regular season by the original 25 man roster. ;-)
LOL
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Cinci Forecast
Sunny, high mid-80's, lows around 50.
Sounds like winning baseball weather to me. This end-of-September global warming baseball weather is pretty nice. Considering all of the "warm weather" players we have with bad hammies, this is a good forecast for the Cubs.
If the Birds blew it last night,
I caught much of that game on satellite simultaneously with the Cubs game. The Bird/Beerboys game had so much tension (violent tension) that it could be cut with a knife. Physical assertiveness can be used in my first sport, hockey (if done properly), but it usually doesn't work in baseball.
LaRussa - you know the guy most of us love to hate - drew in Yost like a bug light does to a skeeter. After the Pujols plunk, Yost and the Brewers got zapped and I knew the Birds would win the game.
The Cubs have to play fundamental ball. No backhand throws De-Ro. Fonzie, can you catch a 7-iron to left? They play solid ball today, they'll win and by the time they get to Cincy they could have clinched a tie.
you can't catch a 7 iron,
by buckmulligan on Sep 27, 2007 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Not literally a golf ball shot,
My bud is a golf pro and he tells me what many of the fly balls' trajectory is in golf terms when we're at the ballpark.
Not in any state of panic here...
I know the a hot team/hot pitchers model of playoff success, but it still a stretch for me to to think of this team as playoff caliber. 0-5 against the Marlins??! Come on.
by thinkingdog on Sep 27, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply actions
Marmol...
It would probably be in Trachsel's best interest to pitch around Cabrera today too. Lifetime numbers vs. Trachsel: 12-21, 5 2B, 3 HR, 8 RBI, .571/.654/1.238
It was Marmol's first ERs since August 10th
by IllinoisCubs on Sep 27, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Reports from locker room after the game: Piniella
"You boys appear to be pressing, just come back tomorrow and have fun and enjoy this." That was all, but DeRosa, the player with two consecutive defensive gaffe's stated it was the perfect thing to say at the perfect moment.
Later it was reported that a few players watched the end of the Brewers-Cardinals game and lifted their heavy shoulders.
Listen, this is why one of the reasons they are playing Piniella the big bucks, he knows how to tactically play the game, he knows how to motivate individuals and create a team environment but he also knows when to take the pressure off a team pressing and give them confidence.
Sports even professional has to be fun. Last night I had three nervous nellie calls, all thinking the sky was falling, heck NYMETS don't have a bullpen and lost again to the Nationals, Arizona has lost to Pittsburgh again....Colorado and Philadelphia are closing in on both the division and WC....
Today Cubs will find a way to win, possibly big....go to Cincinnati with either the magic number dangerously at 2 or 1, either way it is the real magic number for it can be elimination day either way.
Sweet Lou
by blackhawk24 on Sep 27, 2007 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
oh I was wrong, I thought the Brewers would sweep
they will probably sleep through the morning and into the afternoon. It is the Brewers best chance...
Any one hear
by blackhawk24 on Sep 27, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
This page...
But I'm not liking reports
We got this guy because the theory was that his sphincter WOULDN'T tighten in this situation.
Something tells me I'd rather dust Glendon Rusch off and pitch him than watch Trash-Can go today.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
What?
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2007 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
re: But I'm not liking reports
I'd like to see four innings from Trax, two from Hart and then other bullpen matchups for the remainder of the game.
While Trax, aka Human Rain Delay (HRD), sucks...
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
What kind of offence
by blackhawk24 on Sep 27, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
That I don't know
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Rusch
There's a certain brilliance ...
by Littlerock Rynofan on Sep 27, 2007 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Answer to your question
Game 2: 8/2/06: staked him to a 6-0 lead before he gave up 3 runs in 7 innings (all earned and 2 home runs). (Mets won 6-5)
Game 3: 9/18/06: he pitched 6.1 innings, giving up only 3 hits in a 4-0 win.
Hope that answers your question.
by dacubsfan76 on Sep 27, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks...
If the Cubs can get to Olsen in the first 3-4 innings or so for say a field goal and can go 5 innings himself, then Lou can mix and match with the 'pen.
by blackhawk24 on Sep 27, 2007 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
re: Answer to your question
There is some grounds for hope that Trachsel can give the Cubs at least a good four innings or so today.
Al is right. There is no reason to panic.
On the other hand, the Brewers need to win more games than the Cubs do and didn't do anything to help themselves last night. The reports this morning look as if the Brewers players feel they are letting the division slip away.
So, the Cubs lost two games and yet they are closer to the goal, as their magic number is smaller than when they left the Windy City. Considering how they played, I see that as a positive development.
As Lou, said, the team used two of their three mulligans in Miami. If the Brewers lose again, the Cubs may have more than three mulligans this weekend to use. I hope they don't have to use them.
Correction to next to last sentence.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano's Defense
Is his outfield defense always going to suck but his arm will keep bailing him out? Or can he learn how to play defense and become an even better player than he is now? Or [perish the thought] is he getting an Edmonds-like "I'll slow down so I can dive and make a spectacular catch and be on the web gem list" complex by unnecessarily putting himself in position to show off his cannon?
Soriano was pressing.
On your specific question, I think whether you make a play deep in the outfield is always debatable.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 27, 2007 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, shut up
You want to root for So Taguchi, go be a Cards fan.
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
by TheEman on Sep 27, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno...
...maybe not enough caffeine yet?
...maybe too much caffeine already? ;-)
At any rate, just to clarify - I wasn't bashing Soriano nor was I touting the Cards. Just trying to build on someone's earlier post asking that these recaps be more about recaps and less about ledge-jumping. So I thought I'd ask a legit question about last night's game seeing as how I didn't see it, just heard it.
Thanks for the support, but I grew up an Indians fan in Ohio - my skin is thick...
i was at the game
the Hermida ball right before the Cabrera HR was definitely catchable, it hit low off the wall
Soriano plays balls near the wall terribly, its been a problem all year as he's not good at taking his eye off the ball and then relocating it
its a poor spot in his defense, but his arm and his range in general are both positives
while its scary to think about how he'll be in say 2011... for now he's fine defensively out there
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh that Hermida hit
You are right, the other one may have been catchable.
yep
Hermida's fantastic in fact the Marlins might have 3 of the best offensive players in the entire league next year with Miggy, Hanley, and Hermida
i live in South Fla and while i'm getting awfully tired of leaving that stadium with the same feeling of frustration repeatedly (superbowl as well...) i do admire the way the Marlins run their organization
they believe in front office running things and they believe firmly in player development. They have no fan base to depend on so they build towards taking a shot every few years at winning everything. They take that shot by adding a few veterans through FA (Pudge, Delgado, etc) and then deal them off and rebuild
a very sound front office with a distinct philosophy
one of the better ones in the game
its a shame the South Fla fans are made up of mostly transplants from other cities and thus the fan base has had little chance to build, that and how terribly fair weather South Fla sports fans are in general
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
No, one was high off he wall the other down the
DeRosa's error & Soriano's 17th assist
BTW folks there is a good replay showing that Theriot was on the outfield side and DeRosa missed the target, also the Marlins was on top of the play and there would have not been a GIDP.
First assist was a line drive down the line....the second assist was high off the wall.
Also note Piniella second guessed himself in thinking of taking Marquis out....he should have at 4.2-IP.
But it's so shiny...
But, if you say so, I won't hit the button.
looks at the button, longingly
Well
Nice to see DeLee
Aramis needs to relax and take what the pitchers are giving him.
Soriano has single handedly won a lot of games for the Cubs this year, but I think a lot of us would like to see him become more aware of situations. I cringe when he falls behind 0-2 in the count because he's not the type of player to foul off tough pitches or work the count. I don't have the stats in front of me, but I don't think he has very many HR's with two strikes in the count.
Here's to Trax throwing a good ballgame today - let's go get 'em and make Milwaukee scrap just to keep pace.
by Def Kenny T on Sep 27, 2007 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Soriano is 31
This year Soriano has 30 walks. Prior to last season's 67 his totals were 33, 33, 38, 23 (in 696 innings!) and 29. Considering that he has fewer AB's this year than some of those seasons, he's actually running a little better than his career norm. Last year could be a career best.
0-2 count
Soriano: .211 .220 .333, 2 HR in 147 AB
DLee: .157 .208 .169, 0 HR in 89 AB
Aramis: .242 .269 .444, 4 HR in 99 AB
so basically Aramis is the badass we all know him to be, Soriano struggles but not as bad as you may think, and DLee is just absolutely terrible, another somewhat surprising stat.
Very interesting numbers
by Def Kenny T on Sep 27, 2007 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I would assume
Moneyballists would agree that the pitcher has you by the... with an 0-2 count, and very few succeed here.
by TheEman on Sep 27, 2007 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
just another example
I just figured it out
This statement drives me batty. It's like the Creation Museum: Don't think, just listen and believe.
http://crazytalk.typepad.com/bluegrassroots/2007/06/fun_at_the_crea.html
It could be worse....
Not really like the Creation Museum at all
Whether or not the Cubs will end up in the playoffs is certainly not a scientific proposition. One can legitimately believe (or have faith in) the prospect that the Cubs will pull out enough wins to make it. Or one can legitimately believe (or have faith in) the prospect that they won't. In fact, the former is more empirically sound, as the current BP odds of the Cubs making it in sit just under 90%.
by SuperContext on Sep 27, 2007 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
re: I just figured it out
Lineups - Soriano and Theriot
by RightFieldSucks on Sep 27, 2007 11:14 AM CDT reply actions
re: Lineups - Soriano and Theriot
I do agree, though, that Soriano has looked completely lost the last two games. For better or worse, however, I think all of the Cubs' remaining four games are too important to sit him.
Win today and tomorrow...
not exactly
the best players need to be playing
and while yes i'm probably in the very deep minority that thinks Cedeno will eventually be a better player than Riot.... he sure as heck isnt right now
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 27, 2007 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Cedeno leadoff?????
by lancaster99 on Sep 27, 2007 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Soriano
Theriot is the heart of the team in some ways. Unless he's really hurting, I say start him.
God bless this website
I've virtually stopped going to the official cubs message board where ever 13 year old on the planet posts "OH MY GAWD!!!!!111!!! PANIC TIME!!!!1@!!!!!!"
Hoping for a win today. It would remove most pressure and would mean the Cubs only really need to win one in Cinci. Go Trachsel!

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