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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Dodgers, Monday 9/3, 3:05 CT

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In this wacky year where, with four weeks to go in the season, ten NL teams are over .500 and within 6.5 games of a playoff spot, the Dodgers, who sit four games behind both the NL West and NL Wild Card leaders, actually have a record a half-game better than the division-leading Cubs.

Doesn't matter to the Cubs, right? Just get in.

Leftover note from the Astros series: I happened across pencefan.com, a Hunter Pence fansite, this morning. The author, a fan of Pence and the Astros, originally set it up under the domain name HunterPence.com:

HunterPence.com will become a fan-site for everything anything you want to know about Hunter Pence. This site is run and developed by a life-long fan of the Houston Astros.. It has no affiliation with the Houston Astros organization or is it endorsed by Hunter Pence himself. It is just a Fan-Site, and as a fan-site it will depend on the fans to make it more then a speed bump on the Internet highway.
Apparently Pence and his lawyers didn't like that:
I would like to say I am disappointed in the actions of Hunter Pence’s representatives in the last few months that have threatened legal action over the use of HunterPence.com as a fan site. Claiming that I registered the domain name in bad faith and meant to use it to extort or exploit Hunter Pence in some way. This site was setup as a fan site in general; it has never had any profitability and would never have had anything of the kind. With this said I will be handing over the domain name HunterPence.com in extreme protest to the representatives who have forced their hand over a simple fan website for a player in question. This being simply said if I was contacted in a proper way and asked by Pence or a representative that he wanted the domain name for personal use, I would have handed it over ASAP. At this point in time with what has been said and threatened, I have to clear my own name because I feel this whole event has been a defamation of my own character. So now I have to revaluate my own interest in running a fan website for Hunter Pence, if this is how I might continue to be treated down the road.
Why do people have to do this? I am well aware of what intellectual property rights are, and that some people are trying to extort money from others by registering domain names. But that clearly wasn't the case here. Why threaten legal action when a simple request would have accomplished the same thing? I just don't understand this at all.

Enough. Go Astros -- for the next three days, anyway.

 Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
 C. Zambrano
Cubs		 vs. Esteban Loaiza
 E. Loaiza
Dodgers
14-11 W-L 1-0
4.06 ERA 1.84
149 SO 5
82 BB 4
21 HR 1
vs. LA -- vs. Cubs
Much has happened since the Cubs last played the Dodgers in Los Angeles in late May, and lost two of three. They finished that series four games under .500 and five games out of first place. The only game they won was won by Z, who allowed eight hits and two runs in 7.2 IP, with eight strikeouts. It would be nice, Z, if you could replicate that today. He usually throws well vs. LA -- 2-1, 1.23 in five lifetime starts -- and not a single player on the Dodgers' current roster has ever homered off him.

The Yahoo preview of this game contains the following gem about Esteban Loaiza:

He is 2-2 with a 3.94 ERA in seven career starts against the Dodgers, last facing them May 13, 2005 with Washington.
I puzzled over that one for a while, until I realized that May 13, 2005 game was thrown by Loaiza against the Cubs, not the Dodgers. The Cubs won it off the Nats' bullpen after Loaiza threw seven decent innings. It was until this year the only game the Cubs had ever won in Washington since the Expos moved there. The Cubs beat Loaiza on June 29, 2003 and July 2, 2004, when he was a member of the White Sox, and he beat the Cubs as a White Sock on June 27, 2004, and on September 29, 1996, when he was a Pittsburgh Pirate (and have a look at some of the riffraff that played for the Cubs that day). None of those games is relevant to today's Loaiza. He threw well in two starts for the A's (both against Toronto; those are the stats in the pitcher box above) before the Dodgers picked him up last week. Cliff Floyd (9-for-26, .346..370/.577, 1 HR) and Aramis Ramirez (4-for-7, a double, two walks) are the only current Cubs who have had any sort of success vs. Loaiza.

Today's game is once again on WGN. Incidentally, Wednesday night's game is being picked up by ESPN. For other games today check out the Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (2007 version)

MLB.com Gameday (2006 version)

MLB.com Gameday for the Astros/Brewers game (1:05 CT start)

MLB.com Gameday for the Pirates/Cardinals game (1:15 CT start)

And, please visit, for the Dodger fan's point of view, our SB Nation Dodger site True Blue LA.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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I hope we don't let this turn into
another "Sheets moment." Loaiza seems to move around (team-wise) about as often as any player in the league. Isn't this the same guy who got a DUI for driving 120 MPH while on the DL in 2006? I like a hard-driving baseball player, but I think they are suppose to do it between the white lines on the field, not the pavement...but I digress, The Dodgers are picking up the full $8 million on his contract for this year and next. Let's make them really regret that move by hitting him early and often. Don't let this guy get comfortable out there AND let's give Z some run support. Something he did not get in August. Go CUBS!!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I seem to remember
that the games the Cubs lost out in LA this year were very winnable, with good pitching and some bad breaks (perhaps errors or basrunning gaffes). The Dodgers did not look very threatening, despite their better record.

Game's on NASN here in Europe. Hope we get the WGN feed.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 11:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Back in May
the Dodgers were playing good BB and the Cubs poor BB.

Now, the Cubs are playing good BB and the Dodgers poor.

Payback is a bitch LA!

by JFCubFan on Sep 3, 2007 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dodgers are 11-6 in their last 17
We are 10-7 in our last 17.  I would say the teams are very equal and I hope payback is coming, but LA is not playing poor baseball.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 3, 2007 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

August bad for Dodgers
They were effectively booted out of contention in the NL West after a six game losing streak was followed by a four game losing streak.

True, they are not in the lame Central Div, but they were in first place when the Cubs played them in May and played .551 in the first half of the season.  Now, they are in third and are playing .468 ball, so clearly they are not playing as well as they did back in May when the Cubs had great opportunity to take all three games in the series but fumbled their chances, as we all painfully know.

Barring a Zambrano emotional breakdown, I say we win this afternoon!

by JFCubFan on Sep 3, 2007 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eyre was still in the "awful" stage
He gave up the game tying HR in the 8th to a PH in a 1-0 game. Then a HBP in the 11th by Guzman lost it, and the Cubs fell to 4 under .500.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True Blue LA
The game thread for yesterday's game vs SD  - a game they needed to win - had 3 comments!!!!

Al, to link to that site - sister site and all - is degrading to BCB.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One of their 5 most recent diaries is:
"Dodgers back in the Teixera sweepstakes?"

I wouldn't call it degrading to BCB though, the guys who run the site obviously love the dodgers, it's not their fault their fans are apathetic at best.

"Prince Fielder Dies Of Inside-The-Park Homerun" - The Onion

by DTJchris on Sep 3, 2007 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some SB sites aren't very big
and other fan sites are big.  It just depends on the team.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 3, 2007 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are plenty of other places...
to talk Dodger baseball...
E - N - O - D

by bison on Sep 3, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is going to prove more beneficial...
...Loaiza or Trachsel?  I'm interested to find out.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Sep 3, 2007 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was at the Z WIN in LA
in my annual LA/CUBS game.

He was dominant until the 8th.

So funny watching the lackadaisical fans!

Beach balls and waves. Not much baseball knowledge/interest.

Loaiza is a very mercurial pitcher. We need the crappy one today.

If his sinker doesn't sink, we'll eat him up alive.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 3, 2007 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As you see so few comments
on the Dodger website, you can see why I can't stand the LA teams. Did you notice that some of the threads had NO comments? How sad, how very sad. I will always be loyal to my Cubs. It is painful to go to games for any team out here (though it was great to go to the final two games of the first Bulls championship as Bulls fans took over the old Forum!).
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude - Unless you're in the "industry"
why don't you move back?

You KNOW this town kicks ass over LA, and is a great place to raise kids (if you have any) - AND - you can actually get from one place to another without a car!

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 3, 2007 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Eman...
all I can say is you can play golf here 12 months a year. That makes up for a lot of sins about the people. As long as you stay off the freeways, this is a very live-able place. Besides, when you go to the gym to work out, it is like an in person National Enquirer, that is kind of fun too. Keeps you motivated.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pence Isn't An Anomaly....
...my buddy runs a Padres Fan website, and MLB went after him earlier this year. It's a small site that's populated that doesn't get a huge amount of hits and is really for him and his friends that are Padres fans. Here's a link from his site to the cease and desist letter he was sent by MLB:

http://www.padrefans.com/news/Cease_and_Desist.pdf

In the end, the site's still up, but he had to radically change the make-up of it. He had a link to sell Padres tickets on his site, and they accused him of pirating it. What was ironic is that he had to apply for permission to do it and got it, but MLB's right hand wasn't talking to the left hand.

Here's a link to his forums. MLB is also apparently going after MySpace pages as well.

http://www.padrefans.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=GenDisc

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have opened...
f--khunterpenceandthehorseherodeinon.com in response. And yes, it's availble.
E - N - O - D

by bison on Sep 3, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On The Dodgers......
...don't judge the team by its fans. They've got some very good young players, but they can't figured out if they want to go young or play the vets with the post-season in mind. Matt Kemop is a stud and on fire right now, and Andre Ethier, James Loney and Russell Martin will be around for a long time. Jeff Kent is ageless, but Furcal's had a slightly down year. Juan Pierre is having a typical Pierre year, meaning they're griping that he's really not a lead off guy. Nomar, well, he's on the DL (again). He tries, he's a good guy, but the deterioration has really set in. Sad to see, and they're on the hook for next year too. They're going to use a rookie, Andy LaRoche, at third today, their 8th 3rd baseman (!) this year. LaRoche is supposed to be in the Kemp/Loney mold of hot young player.

Blame this season squarely on Ned Colletti. Rather than trade a couple of the young studs for Texeira, he held on to all of them and now is forced to bring in guys like David Wells, Shea Hillenbrand, Scott Proctor and Loaiza. When I was in San Francisco, I sat next to Chuck Cottier for a little while. He's the former Cub coach/Mariner manager who is now a Dodger scout. He said all the internal advice was to bring in Texeira at any cost but Colletti wouldn't do it. There have been times this year when the Dodgers have fielded an all shortstop infield- Nomar at 1st, Ramon Martinez at 2nd, Furcal and Wilson Betemit at 3rd (since traded for Proctor). Nomar was moved to 3rd to make way for Loney, but now of course Nomar's on the shelf.

If the Cubs take 3 of 4 here the Dodgers' season is over. While this series won't make or make the Cubs' year just yet, the Dodgers have it all on the line. The Cubs should treat it the same way to be safe.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do NOT agree! Oh yeah -
bring in Texiera when you have Schmidt sitting in his lounger for 3/44Mill.!

And he signed Juan Pierre for what? 5 years?!

He blew his WAD, beerman, in the Winter. No way he was gonna pop for Texiera. Besides, they have a strong farm system.

And, I am sorry, but I am judging the fans on what I see there, in person - and by many current and ex-LA residents who agree with me. Just my opinion.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 3, 2007 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well...
...forgot about Schmidt. THAT was a boner and squarely on Ned. However, the money was purportedly there to bring in Texeira. Owner McCourt said so publicly (speaking in general terms at the time about getting mid-season help) and Cottier said money wasn't the issue, either. It was all Ned not wanting to part with Loney and Kemp.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AND AND AND.....
...Colletti's hatred of Texeira's agent, Scott Boras, after what he pulled with J.D. Drew.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Face it - Coletti
was burned already.

Not Cottier's money, and I've not seen anything really specific with Dodger's owner stating that "We're gonna write a blank check."

He may have intimated, but what was discussed w/Coletti may be something else.

Especially with the Schmidt and Pierre moves in the off-season.

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 3, 2007 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Live in the L.A. area.....
....and I guess we'll agree to disagree on their fans.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well - see how many
fans show up when the Dodgers are either not in first, or in 3rd, or last place.

Yep. Yep. I'll agree to disagree as well.

But GO CUBS!!!

It is SEPTEMBER, and we're STILL IN IT! YES!

by TheEman on Sep 3, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Attendance at Dodger Stadium
is 2nd highest in baseball. Since 2001 they have not averaged less than 37,000 and it's currently at 47,000.

While the fans will never attain the fanaticism of Chicago teams, it's probably more to do with the availability of alternative activities that are open to them.

It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Sep 3, 2007 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that
the Dodgers are coming in as desperate as a dog left starving at Michael Vlck's compound. Falling behind on this team won't be a good option as they have a great bullpen in the 8th & 9th inning. Let's score early & often and mentally take them out of the race.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep it goin Cubs!!!
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 11:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the more
i see that jones catch the better it is.
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 3, 2007 12:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

GO CUBS !!!!!!!
Dodgers could do some spoiling here. Hope D-Lee's presence at the plate is returning.  Wonder what the strike zone will be like today.

by coral on Sep 3, 2007 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Z ....
Settle down !!!!!   He seriously needs some Zen training.

by coral on Sep 3, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big Game...Z against Loaiza
Tomorrow is the LAD's ace in Penny and Thursday is the number 2 in Lowe.

Cubs will need for their big three veterans to step up and pitch more than quality starts to close out what could be a big 10-game homestand.

Three of four is important.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 3, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Since the 4-game losing streak at Houston
Cubs are 2-2, 1-2, 2-1, 2-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-1...

Winning four series, losing two and splitting one...12-10....since the series at the end of July where they split with Philadephia Cubs are 13-16 with that four game losing streak.

Winning this September series would put them at 16-17 and yet taking the lead in the division

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 3, 2007 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far so good
Pirates 4 - Cards 0   Bottom 3
Astros 1 - Brewers 0  Top 4

Brewers/Astros is Oswalt vs. Sheets.  What a pitching matchup.  Pirates is Snell vs. Wells.  At least Snell is a good pitcher.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 3, 2007 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's time
to separate from the pack.

Come on Cubs!

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

big game for Z today if mil/stl lose
we need to get some big seperation today, i like this matchup for us
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mmmmmurton
starting, keep it going daywalker.
Matt Murton career in September: .321/.401/.576, 10 jacks (165 ab). Make sure Matt the Bat gets in the lineup this month Lou!

by kylejo on Sep 3, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

what about the lineups?
as ron santo would say...nice to see murt get a few starts vs. RHP's he deserves at least one after yesterday...floyd not hitting lately, neither is JJ.

I'd like to see Pie once a week too but guess lou doesn't trust him yet to get good AB's.

by writerinwrigley on Sep 3, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

6-0 Pitt
cards goin down for sure

by writerinwrigley on Sep 3, 2007 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineups
Dodgers
Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Ethier, RF
Kent, 2B
Gonzalez, LF
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
LaRoche, 3B
Loaiza, P

Cubs
Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Lee, 1B
Ramirez, 3B
Murton, RF
DeRosa, 2B
Jones, CF
Blanco, C
Zambrano, P

by Bruce Miles on Sep 3, 2007 2:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets go
Hank!

Good to see Kendall getting a day off.  This might be one of his last as we go down the stretch!

by blueapple on Sep 3, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall
is nursing a sore hand.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Updates
STL 0 - PIT 6   Bot 4th
MIL 2 - HOU 3   Bot 5th

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 3, 2007 2:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some headhunting Card pitcher
Just took out Nady.

I'm sure the hypocrite drunk LaRussa will say it was accidental with the team down 6-0.

I hope Snell puts one in Pujols' ear now.

by lancaster99 on Sep 3, 2007 2:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This game has huge implications
simply because of Z's recent experience. No more we'll get em next time. Now is the time. If Carlos finally steps up, we're in great shape because he's the rising tide that lifts all boats.

However, if he chokes, it sends a messgae to the team that he can't be counted on. That means everyone tightens up.

It's not too late to go to Soto

by tharr on Sep 3, 2007 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We were the hottest team
in baseball when Z was hot (June-July). No doubt if Z gives a great performance today and the bats step up, we can send a message to the two teams below us. I think there is also no question that our team feeds off of Z. Nothing would make me happier than to see Z pitching with a lead...for once! Go get 'em Z. Go Cubs!!!
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WARNING FOR FANS IN THE STANDS:
Don't mess with the Dodger's Hats or they WILL come up there and kick your a**.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lets go!
Play ball!

Happy Labor Day!

Woohoo!

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 3:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Love to see the Crapbirds getting their
ass handed to them.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it me or does it seem like Al has
a man crush on Hunter Pence?

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

K
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

does anyone
does anyone have an audio link for the game?

by bamix1 on Sep 3, 2007 3:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Atta boy Z!!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cards down 11-0
Hopefully Ankiel doesn't hit a 12 run homer...
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 3, 2007 3:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

lol too damn funny, but if anyone could
it would be him.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, there goes the no-no
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For those who can get it.....
.....nothing against Len and Bob, but Vin Scully made the trip to Chicago and he's doing the Dodger TV broadcast.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds great
Do you have a link?

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, sorry
I'm in L.A. so I can get both WGN and Scully on TV.

As soon as I posted the above, Len and Bob mentioned him and they showed Scully on TV. They sounded like they'd rather listen to him, too.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K K
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

USC is going to KILL the Huskers next month
I expect to see corn fed white boys all over America to cry for days afterwards.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's funny
Because USC and Nebraska don't play in October.  

They do play in two weeks though, where Nebraska will shock the nation with the Win.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shock the nation...yes
It will be shocking to see USC score 100 on the Cornbread football players and then America will be shocked to learn about the number of John Deer trackers being driven off bridges by depressed Nebraskans.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll be fun to bump this up
During the Husker victory celebration.
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only celebaration you will have
is when your first stringers finally score against USC's 3rd string making the final score 102-3.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never know
what may happen. Don't be too sure of yourself.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=272440130&confId=null

I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Appalachian St could beat the Huskers
I agree Nebraska has a chance, but only against USC's Third string.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

HA!
Pretty full of yourself.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now let's
get some runs. Please!
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't want
to get greedy but I will ask for a few more.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOOOHOOO!!!!
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Soriano!!!
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 3:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to get to him early, Alfonso
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying to listen to Santo, Scully and WGN
Santo is priceless is why.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There you go!
Nice one Soriano!

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 3:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats the Soriano we know and love
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oswalt out of the game in Milwaukee
Brewers up 5-3
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 3:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

see what I mean?
the rest of the Central is conspiring against the Cubs. They win on occassion just it o make it look presentable. Today's performance by Oswalt is Exhibit M.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How long
until Brenly's first Luis Gonzalez comment?
Brian McRae's 5 O'Clock Shadow

by PurpleLineToWrigley on Sep 3, 2007 3:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not very long
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't mind
he likes the guy, he's a good player, i'd talk about him too

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 3, 2007 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a nice change for US to have a HR in the
first instead of the bad guys.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Happy, Al?
DeRosa just wussed out on a possible double-play.

Now it's second and third, one out.

by lancaster99 on Sep 3, 2007 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well, there goes the shutout
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And the tying run scores
But golly gee, we can't try for double plays!

by lancaster99 on Sep 3, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

poop
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

K K K
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Sep 3, 2007 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll get
that run back. Come on Cubs!!!
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Houston
Just scored....5-4, no outs.

by JakeH on Sep 3, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great, another quality strike zone for an ump
that clearly hates Chicago and America.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

same crew
same strike zone, no?

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it.
In the NFL they have some kind of accountability for their officials... the head official reviews every call after every game and goes over the film with the other officials, and the league's head official answers questions from the press.

This is as bad a year of umpiring as we've seen in a while, and yet the league does nothing.  Why can't they have some kind of accountability/review process for umps who clearly can't tell a ball from a strike, or for umps who try to make themselves the show instead of letting the players do their thing?

by mistersite on Sep 3, 2007 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on z.
this is where he needs a quick inning.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs go quietly in the second
against a guy that can throw over 88 mph.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Suck it Bruce
You are the biggest jack*** and hypocrite on this board.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he's not.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep up the good fight, NBF
I'm sick and tired of people who slam the team for 100 posts in a row and then say, "I knew they had them all the way!" when the team wins.

It's 1-1 and early. I suppose this guy wants 4 runs an inning.

by lancaster99 on Sep 3, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't want to be that harsh
but i do think that not bruce likes pointing out negativity more than he dislikes the negativity itself

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dislike both
but some people never fail to disappoint.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

besides
it wasn't even a negative comment, we did go down quietly, and personally, i'd love to see 4 runs an inning.

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 3, 2007 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coming from a whiner like yourself
I wear that criticism like a badge of honor.

Go sit in the corner with the children until the seventh or eighth inning, OK?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think this is the third game i've made comments
during, and in that time, i've seen you complain a LOT more than anything i've said, i'm actually usually upbeat about the cubs, but a lot of your comments are just pointing out other people being negative, it gets old, and then these stupid arguments go on for way too long.  that's all i'm going to say

by dogcatratcheese on Sep 3, 2007 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All you have?
My comment was simply this guy throws slow enough for the Cubs to beat them up but you take it as something bad and start calling people out.

More times than not, it is your smart a** comments that cause people to flame out around here.

Stop being peoples mom and try for once to come up with your own baseball opinion and leave other people the hell alone.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope
If I see b-s, I'm going to call it.

Sit back and enjoy the game.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First off,
Don't tell me what to do.

Second, check your own B.S. at the door Bruce.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The breaks
have been going the Cubs' way lately.
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 3:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Fonsy!!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF??
Carlos that was stupid.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another example
of Z's lack of baseball intelligence

by Reddevil on Sep 3, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z's big wheels couldn't stop!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody again tell me....
....how Zambrano has matured.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

TheRiot!!!
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God, that was stupid
Zambrano is just going to have to make up for that on the other end.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I just hope
that bad judgement doesn't come back and affect him mentally so he can pitch.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Idiot....
At least he's rich.

by martyblue on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The man crush, coming through
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z!
Doing this kind of dumb crap in May is one thing; in the pennant race it's just deadly.

Let's just hope he doesn't go mental when he gets back to the mound.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 3:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably wore himself out.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like the young Sammy Sosa
He would run until he got tagged out.

by Saratoga on Sep 3, 2007 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Entertaining.
Very entertaining.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to appoint myself board monitor....
....for a moment and please ask that all personal stuff cease. Let's enjoy a good game thread without the petty stuff.

Thanks.

Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

How about you say, "Sorry my bad"
You started this crap you loser.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOTH you guys......
...please stop.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now he's angry
so he's gonna give it all back.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 3:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sean Marshall.....
....better start getting loose.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

stupid Z is back
and it's only the 4th.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah what the hell?
I didn't expect to see him until the 5th.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z's move was no confidence in Quade
I don't think Z going through that stop sign was a mistake on Z's part.  I think It was him having absolutely no confidence in Mike Quade to make a good call.   Z has watched him make so many bad calls most often erring on the conservative side.  

I don't think Quade is back next season and I think it was decided before that play.

by JonH on Sep 3, 2007 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh No....
....it was a horrible decision on Z's part. It's his "enthusiam" where he thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants. Quade was doing the right thing. It's a cardinal sin to make the first out at home plate, and that's what Z did.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, Z's
move was just stupidity on Z's part.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was out by a mile...
No confience or not he should not have ran that was a dumb move on Z's part.  It was.
The Cubs Are On Their Way!!

by DenverCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got to be more aware
of what's going on.

That's a case where his emotions, again, got the best of him.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have more confidence
In Quade than I do in Zambrano.

Zambrano has run from first to home exactly how many times in his career, not counting home runs where he was on base?

Shut up.

by lancaster99 on Sep 3, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You never, ever
make the first out at home, it's just plain stupid.  Why take a chance when you had runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs?

Zambrano keeps proving that his head keeps getting in the way.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Sep 3, 2007 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on gameday
that first called strike was waaaayyy outside, just waned to know if it really was outside??

by Bigdogg2002 on Sep 3, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but it was payback
for pinching Z on the second and fourth pitch on Kent. These umps have forgotten how to have a consistent strike zone.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice.....
nothing like a 39 yr old trying to take second
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can someone clarify this rule?
I didn't know catchers could throw guys out at second. I bet this makes Sportscenter -- I haven't seen a play like that before.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuk yuk (har har)
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Sep 3, 2007 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love the strike em out throw em out!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hank White and Z!
the perfect combination.

by CubFaninNY on Sep 3, 2007 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's more like it
Like I said, Zambrano's going to have to save at least a run pitching to atone for that idiotic baserunning.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 3, 2007 4:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Waving Wendell
Maybe Z got confused thinking about tonight's dinner and forgot that Waving Wendell was no longer at 3rd base.

by Invalid User on Sep 3, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he walked him...
The Cubs Are On Their Way!!

by DenverCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_od
interesting site. its shows teams postseason odds

by cubs ftw on Sep 3, 2007 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al updates the odds...
...from that site in the right sidebar daily.
FREE CARMEN PIGNATIELLO!

by cwyers on Sep 3, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't remember the last game that Z
had good control.

He's had two months this year where he could spot his fastball but besides that it has been all over the place.

I really do think he is hurt, but he's such an ox he won't shut himself down.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think
he's hurt at all. It's all mental with him.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all mental with him
You're right Sue...it IS all mental with Z.

I am concerned about his emotions running away with him...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who is Z going to beat up now?........
....when he gets called out for the rocks in his head this time? Someone needs to slap him upside the head.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please let me
have that honor.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is that Lou
is going to have a very tough talk with Z after the game tonight. Whether the Cubs win or lose, his actions in the last full inning are costing the team, both running and pitching (concentration) are costing the team. These are 100% mental. My guess is Lou will sit him down...and it is time. Z can't just talk a big game, he has to produce.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

save at least a run pitching to atone
You are correct sir -
Not to mention what L&B are saying about the wasted energy and the toll it could have right now if not later in the game....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

According
to Gameday, Z's all over the place.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Helmet fire..
Pull it together you headcase!

by Reddevil on Sep 3, 2007 4:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z is making Hendry ...
look stupid. This is not how an $18 million pitcher should handle himself.

by elgato on Sep 3, 2007 4:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

shit
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mind your
own business
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Definately
going to need some runs.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So Senor Knucklehead.....
...has cost the Cubs at least three runs now with his bad play. The one where he was out and  now this. Yank his ass.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a Bad Idea
Actually, pulling him now might send a message.  But I don't know that I'm all that confident that it would be received or understood.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on!
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

39 strikes 33 balls in 3.2 innings
And this is our Ace pitching a big game.

I really hope this is a head thing but I really think it's something with his body.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

::rolls eyes::
It's not his body. It's all in his head.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

zambrano is a big fat piece of shit!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 3, 2007 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, thats some serious shit
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unbelievable.
I own one of Loiaza's bats.  I'm going to go hex it.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like...
our bullpen and bats are gonna have to pick up Z if we wanna leave here with a W today.  I still have confidence.
2007 Badger Football - 1-0

by Schwa on Sep 3, 2007 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z shouldnt be allowed to pitch again this month
if he keeps pulling this shit, this is september, brewers are winning again and we can't afford to lose, zambrano is not an ace, he never will be, hell right now he's not even a 4th starter, this guy will never learn, hes a headcase
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z needs to
get his act together quickly.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you could see this meltdown
coming from the first inning. gonna need a lot of runs. zambrano has single-handedly screwed this one up. classic headcase. what can you do?

too bad he's not our third starter.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't mind the signing.
keeps him from going somewhere else and killing us. he's still useful.

he's just not the cy young. he's still one of the best pitchers in the league. he's just also his own worst enemy. he's a little bit like soriano actually, tons of talent, bit flaky.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except
 He's not one of the best pitchers in baseball.

He does have some of the best "stuff", but that doesn't translate to being one of the best pitchers.  Its too bad Hendry panicked and paid him like one.  

by BigFatZ on Sep 3, 2007 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some ace pitcher, big frickin fat ass
can't wait to get to the clubhouse spread there can you Z.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 3, 2007 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

no need for
comments like that.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Astros
Have the bases loaded with one out.  Can we send Z up to pitch for the Brewers right now?
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Marshall needs to come in.....
...Z has got to be done for the day. He needs to be pulled, and someone needs to give him a come to Jesus talk. This kind of stupid play and immaturity has got to stop if he's ever going to become a premier pitcher. Despite the big contract, he's regressed into a big, fat crybaby with a load of talent. He's got no idea how to harness it, and hasn't exhibited any desire to learn how to do so. He's an embarrassment to the team.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

im sick of his postgame comments
he makes like "what can i do,  i made a lot of mistakes, go next time and do better" or maybe he will start a new season in septemeber, that will be his 3rd time he starts a new season . ..  he is not our ace . . . freaking marquis has been pitching better than him lately

by CZ38 on Sep 3, 2007 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they need to get to z's spot in the order this
inning and pinch hit for him. that'll teach him.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who knows me here on BCB
know's that I'm as optimistic as they come and am the FARTHEST thing from doom and gloom...

But I am truly concerned about Z coming down the stretch...

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone calm down.
It was a BS Single.

Z did the right thing there, he just got unlucky.

Strugling pitcher who is trying to find the strike zone against the opposing pitcher, he should be throwing strikes.  

Loaiza just got lucky and punched it through a hole in the infield.

So calm down and root for the Cubs to get some runs and stop this nonsense about pulling Z for the Month.

That is just retarded.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the single has very little to do with what
people are talking about here.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's fine
but people should be making this comments before the game not after some pitcher gets lucky.

Many of these people sound either petty and/or stupid.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you talking about?
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well
he shouldn't be pulled for the month. And Loaiza got lucky. But the walks were nearly unforgiveable.

by elgato on Sep 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the walks
are/were the problem and those are 100% mental with Z. As were the bad pitches to Cain in SF. It always seems to be mental things with Z. No doubt Z had a major case of guilt after his bonehead play in the bottom of the inning. Maybe he will settle down now and give us 2-3 solid inning and let us get back in this game now. But, no he should not be sitting the rest of the month. That is crazy.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This games not over
but sheesh.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Lou could stand to make an example of Z
The shit he's pulled today is absolute horsecrap. That is a solid inning of absolutely brain-dead baseball. Maybe yanking his ass in the middle of the inning, amidst the parade of walks, would send a nice, loud wakeup call to Zambrano.

Right now, he's a Venezuelan version of Kyle Farnsworth. Million dollar arm with a ten cent brain.

by scotteboy on Sep 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I am just sick
The Cubs Are On Their Way!!

by DenverCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Our ace?
Who gave him that distinction?  This is a guy who had one good month all season.  The rest of the time he was mediocre.  I don't know if he's a good to great pitcher or just a decent pitcher.  Decent pitchers shouldn't get $18 million a year!

by Saratoga on Sep 3, 2007 4:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewers Update
Biggio sac fly.  Hunter Pence up with two on and two outs, 7-5 Mil.

(Hope mentioning Pence isn't a copyright violation.)

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z glad the calendar turns in Sept
What a great headline on the MLB.Com site.

FYI line for Pedro = Ouch!
Martinez (W, 1-0)    5.0    5    3    2    3    4    0    3.60

by rmonday557 on Sep 3, 2007 4:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

someone
turned the lights on

by CZ38 on Sep 3, 2007 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Decent pitchers shouldn't get $18 million a year!
Heck - even AWESOME pitchers shouldn't get 18 mil a year...

I can't think of ONE in the MLB that's worth that much.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever you say Marx!
In the winter do you miss Russia?

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude
stop it. If the comment isn't directed at you keep your snide comments to yourself.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Any thoughts on Clemens?
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

need a base hit, then a pinch hitter.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Man Crush on Pence
Justified - 2 run triple.  Tied now in Milwaukee.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And then...
Pence scores on a passed ball.  Astros lead!
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how good is that kid
y cant pie be that good . . .:(

by CZ38 on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too Bad
We can't read about it on hunterpence.com.
¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i guess
ill have to check wikipedia :(

by CZ38 on Sep 3, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

8-7 stros
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok
Maybe the delay calmed everybody down.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

tie game in Milk.
if we actually had an ace pitcher we had one hell of a lead in this division

by DC Cubbie on Sep 3, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Astros tie it 7-7
now it's time for Z to get his act together
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.

by mrtobby on Sep 3, 2007 4:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could be wrong...
But I think a fragile psyche like Z's would probably get worse if you kick him while he's down. I think you have to handle him with kit gloves.

He doesn't play well mad.  He may pull it together today.  But if you get heavy-handed with him, he may  play angry for a month.

by Reddevil on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

houston tied it!
Also -- why is JJ hitting so low in the order against a right hander? Seems like he and Murton ought to be reversed in the order.

by elgato on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, pence triples, ties the game.
maybe they can nullify the zambrano panic attack.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pull Z's garbage ass now and send him home
hes truly scammed this organization with 18 million that were paying him and im confident that if we make the playoffs, were basically down 1-0 in the series before it begins because its inevitable he will choke in the playoffs where everything is bigger, hell this clown blows up on opening day, one of the most meaningless games of the season, i have ZERO confidence in him
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Z gives us 2-3
scoreless innings now. And don't forget, the Dodgers have Grady Little calling the shots.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is a game we should have won
but Z has sucked the life out of the team and the fans with this shit that he's pulling out there, what are we paying him to do again? its september Z get your damn act together or go home you hack
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should
have won? My tv must be slow because it says we are still in the 5th inning. Sorry we lost.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can't rely on coming back every single game
There's no way we should be losing 5-2 with our ""ace"", who really is a 4 starter now, against esteban loaiza making his 3rd damn start of the year, this is pathetic on z's part, if milwaukee has sheets pitching in this matchup they'd win easily, but zambrano falls apart way too easily
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he falls
apart too easily and too often but you made it sound like the game is over now. Have a little faith.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope that if Z
is putting a fist through the wall now he will be smart enough to use his left hand. I hope he is looking in the mirror now. This was really a sad, sad day in the career of Carlos Zambrano. I sure hope Z gets his head on straight.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 3, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. at least we're not the brewers.
how many leads can they blow late?

and, at least we're not getting shut out 11-0.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is gameday frozen?
Or is there some kind of delay?

Oh, more lights...

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

honestly would anyone here want Z to
be are starting pitcehr in a game 7.  I would take Lilly as my first pick, then probably Hill.  Z would be my third choice.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 3, 2007 4:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The other reason Z has been beat up lately
is that I think the NL has figured out that they just have to take their time with Z.  He only throws strikes 50% of the time and he's always trying to strike everyone out.  His pitch count runs high fast and you can get into the pen.

I also think he gets frustrated because many of these guys won't chase his out pitches.

He needs to start throwing more strikes.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This game is just not right
It's not right at all.

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Crazy delay
To Turn the lights on at wrigley. It is taking forever.

by bloomerang on Sep 3, 2007 4:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you
Grady Little!

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Z!
Throw strikes!

phat

by phatass on Sep 3, 2007 4:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brenly wants Z pulled
It's about time someone besides us said it.
Santo Forever!

by BeerCub on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Last guy you want to walk.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus
Z has fallen apart today. He doesn't have the head for it right now for some reason. He can't blame it on the contract anymore, he has his money and his security. He hasn't had the head for a long time, and it is costing us games.

Ughck. Ohman and Worst are in the pen. Shudder.

by bloomerang on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and here come the brewers.
about the retake the lead against lidge.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OMG he walked Pierre?
OK, now I'm with you guys.  Pull him, he's clearly done.

by Mac on Sep 3, 2007 4:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

AHHH
I can't take this anymore!

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Z sucks
Ever since he got his contract, we get nothing from him.  Starts off the inning with another walk, I say they pull him now.

by adam316 on Sep 3, 2007 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Free pass to second.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

unreal.
this is digusting.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
ok i want to see Oh-Man! now, i cant take Z anymore.

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano is single handedly blowing
this game for the Cubs....
"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And he
has no one to blame but himself.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't blame him too much for that
I can forgive him on split-second decisions that didn't work out. But running through a stop sign? Walking Juan Freaking Pierre?

Hell, five walks in two innings?

by elgato on Sep 3, 2007 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why grab the ball bare-handed
I believe that Z truly has lost himself with getting the big money.

He's dillusional - thinks he can do ANYTHING and be the "big stud" for the team.

I don't fault his heart for WANTING to do that, but it's gonna cost the Cubs before it helps them.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'd be tempted to put zambrano in the bullpen
for a game or two.

lou stuck with him way too long. he should've be pulled last inning.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's gonna happen
Why not send him to AAA, too?

by elgato on Sep 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we lose this one...
I think we can blame it on the last letter in the alphabet.

by adam316 on Sep 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is like the game in May against the dodgers
Only it's happening earlier and with our starter not the then horrible bullpen.

Yikes. 3 run lead. Well, we had a 4 run deficit on Sunday, so we just need some runs.

by bloomerang on Sep 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Our bats need to wake up fast
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue."

by thehawk on Sep 3, 2007 4:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Only thing going well
so far is atleast e are hitting the ball hard and getting a decent number of them. Get Z out and we have a chance!

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

??wow
Are you shitting me?

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why is he still out there?
this is a joke.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Mark Loretta
Just saved the game for Houston. Amazing play.

What's happening in the Cubs game? They still playing? Carlos still on the mound? I can't watch.

by bloomerang on Sep 3, 2007 4:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another walk!
By Zambrano.  He needs to pull his head outta...

by adam316 on Sep 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

loretta might have just made one of the best
plays i've ever seen, diving stop on a ground ball to rottino, throws him out, still 8-7 houston going to the 9th
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If this is the real Z we are in trouble for the
next 5 years.  With his contract I'm not sure we can afford anybody else with all the other contracts that were completed this year.  

by Saratoga on Sep 3, 2007 4:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bring back the damn cowbell!

by CubsBall2202 on Sep 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CMONNNNNNNNNNNNN
Get him the hell out of there!

by WinCubsWin on Sep 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

BOOOOOOOOO
booo his fat ass

by CZ38 on Sep 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He Gone
And sadly, I am relieved.

Get your head straight, Z.  We need you.

¡BLANCO!

by 08Cubs on Sep 3, 2007 4:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Please watch
your language.
I'm confused.....wait maybe I'm not.

by sue369 on Sep 3, 2007 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey DC - this isn't the first time you've
been asked to please watch your language.

There is no need to lace your comments with harsh 4-letter words and it is offensive.

"Welcome to Lou's BLUE Crew....Cubbies in '07"

by Bluelou on Sep 3, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looked to me like he told the crowd.
'i hear you, and you're right.'
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So what is the excuse for the headcase today?
I thought he was supposed to pitch better once his contract worries were over.

by rlpete on Sep 3, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to earn your money
Z....
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Sep 3, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Union-shaking fine is in order
Zambrano ran through the Quade stop sign. Since then, he has been terrible. It's entirely his fault.

He should be fined $500,000.

Let him complain. His new contract contemplates that he will be paid about $500k per start.

Fine him.

"These are terrible times, and I shouldn't joke about them." --Warren Zevon

by ExNorthsider on Sep 3, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

can't believe he mocked the crowd
the fricking nerve of that fat, overrated piece of crap.

by DC Cubbie on Sep 3, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, i didn't read it like that at all.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 3, 2007 4:41 PM CDT up reply