Double Trouble
Five double plays.
That's what told the story of the Cubs' 6-2 loss to the Dodgers, because the other thing that everyone feared before the game -- that Steve Trachsel, upon his return to the club after nearly an eight-year hiatus, would either pitch so slowly that he'd put everyone in the ballpark into a hypnotic trance, or would be pounded into submission by Dodger bats.
Neither happened; Trachsel was greeted by a warm ovation when his name was announced, and the pace of the game didn't slow down until after he was removed in the seventh inning, having thrown six fairly effective innings, allowing seven hits, a walk, and three runs, throwing 82 pitches -- a count that, for example, Carlos Zambrano has at times run up in four innings of work.
When Trachsel was removed the Cubs were trailing only 3-2, but had already hit into three of the rally-destroying five DP's, two of which were Derrek Lee's (that makes three in two days for D-Lee, after it appeared, finally, that he might be pulling out of his HR slump over the weekend). Unfortunately, Kerry Wood, Will Ohman and just-recalled Kevin Hart (who the Cubs acquired last winter from Baltimore in exchange for Freddie Bynum, which in and of itself makes him useful) did not get the job done in relief. Wood got hit hard and allowed two runs, the second of which scored when Juan Pierre dropped a perfectly-placed bunt down the 1B line; at first we thought that Lee might have been in position to take the play himself, but replays showed he wasn't. The same replays also showed that Wood broke late off the mound, allowing Pierre to beat out the two-out bunt, making the score 5-2.
Which also led to the question, perhaps better not answered: "Why couldn't Pierre have done more of that when he was a Cub?"
I know, I know, water far under the bridge. In fact, when Pierre's name was announced, no one either cheered or booed him. It was as if the year he spent here, in which he broke a 71-year-old club record (for at-bats in a season), never even happened.
Meanwhile, the poor bullpen work continued. Ohman replaced Wood after Mike Fontenot hit for Wood in the 7th. (And you should have heard the San Diego Smooth Jazz Man, who, along with three friends, sat with us last night, rail about Wood and his poor performance -- I think I heard something about "just release his butt", or some similar word.) Anyway, after two hits and an intentional walk loaded the bases, Ohman left to a chorus of boos, setting the stage for Hart to make his major league debut.
It's tough to make your debut in any circumstance. Now add a pennant-race game that your club is trailing in the late innings, and have the bases loaded with nobody out. I can't imagine why Lou put Hart in that sort of situation, unless he was, at that point, almost conceding the game and figuring he'd save the rest of his bullpen for today. Hart walked in the sixth run, and after that threw two scoreless innings, thanks in part to Alfonso Soriano's second outfield assist of the game (he now has thirteen for the season), throwing out Russell Martin trying to score on a medium-deep fly ball hit by Rafael Furcal.
The crowd of 37,834 had mostly left by then -- there couldn't have been more than 10,000 remaining by game's end -- and this was the smallest crowd since the 37,947 for the make-up game vs. the Astros on June 11, a couple of sections' worth of seats empty in the corners of the upper deck. The bleachers were not sold out for the first time since May; they are tonight, because Derrek Lee bobbleheads will be handed out to the first 10,000 in attendance.
And so, where do we go from here? To read some of your comments in last night's game thread, this season is over and we should simply move on to 2008. (Would I ever do such a thing? Read this 2004 post from my old site to find out.) But with 25 games remaining, remember this: the Cubs are still in first place, however tenuously, and they are the only team among the three contenders that has a winning record on the road. That's right, even though the Brewers and Cardinals have been winning, they have both been doing so at home, where both (Milwaukee, 44-26, and St. Louis, 38-30) play quite well, and better than the Cubs do at home (only two games over .500 at home now, 37-35). But the Brewers are ... well, there's no other way to say it ... bad on the road, 26-42. That's the worst road record in the National League. The Cardinals aren't much better at 30-37 away from Busch III. Meanwhile, the Cubs are 33-32 away from home, in line with most of the other playoff contenders' road records (apart from the Mets, who are a major-league best 43-30 on the road).
So when the Cubs go to Pittsburgh this weekend, and the Cardinals to Arizona, and the Brewers to Cincinnati, I'd expect the Cubs could put some distance in between themselves and the Brewers and Cardinals.
In the meantime, let's get a series split here at home. Bruce Miles says you may see some lineup changes tonight, and I'd be in favor of that, if for no other reason than just to shake things up. Sometimes that works, well, just because. Maybe give the just-recalled Sam Fuld a start -- I was surprised to see him at the ballpark last night (he'll wear uniform #57); apparently, Eric Patterson was sent home for the year for showing up late on Monday (the second time he's done that this year, including once at Iowa).
One final note about all the booing -- Lou Piniella seems to have the best perspective:
"You turn a deaf ear to that and go about your business as a professional. You do good things, and they'll cheer you again. I think the only sport they don't boo you is golf."
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You're right on Pinella, be a professional. Simply put is the best.
We need a win in the worst way today. As I had said a week ago on a diary, we mixed lineups all year and it worked. Lou has gone to pretty much a set lineup and not that good of results. Let''s do what we've done all year, mix and play. We need those fresh faces anxious to succeed!
Pierre?
(sorry if this is not true, not much of a stat person)
If the home/away splits stay the same....
Cubs 83-79
Brew 82-20
Card 81-81
eirily similar to this:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Sep 5, 2007 9:02 AM CDT reply actions
Yikes: Brewers 82-80
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Sep 5, 2007 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Lou on booing.
Right On!
"This is not Little League and these players are not amateurs"
This is the reason why I don't like any molly coddling. We have been finding excuses for this sorry bunch loss after loss. They couldn't hit Wandy Rodriguez and someone said - "he pitched well". Well the bottom line is we have to win games that we are supposed to win or more specifically we have to put away the opposing pitcher be it Brad Penny or Cy Young when they we get so many chances to score as we did last night. Also if we beat the lesser pitchers like we are supposed to then the pressure of beating a pitcher like Brad Penny won't be looming upon us.
Change the lineup
interested
I would like to see Soriano hit between
Put Soriano third
So I'd put DLee in the 2-hole, Soriano third, and ARam cleanup (or 5th if you want to break up the righties and Floyd/Ward is swinging well).
I like that..
My suggestion on the lineup
Theriot
Lee
Soriano
Ramirez
Floyd(?)
DeRosa
Jones
Soto
i like this
jones
ramirez
soriano
lee
derosa
fontenoit
kendall or soto (can even switch fontenoit and the catcher around)
I have post this just 'cause I've ranted this b-4
Kendall
Lee
A-Ram
Fonzie
D-Ro
Jones
Murton
Highest OBP up front followed by 3 power guys and the #6 with a good BA w/RISP.
in theory!
Of course in theory
Sori in the 5-hole
Theriot
Kendall
Soriano
Ramirez
Lee
DeRosa
Jones
Pie
by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 5, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice quote from Sweet Lou
Anybody reminded of 2004?
No, because...
There are 25 games left and the team is still first. There's time to rectify this, but it needs to start tonight.
I was wondering
Did Al ever settle on...
And yes, in 2004 the team collapsed later in the season. Could that only mean that we collapsed earlier this year? I just wonder if the disaster already started and some of us haven't noticed it yet.
Since I'm neither an optimist nor a pessimist (I'm more of a realistic observer), I'll just wait and see.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Still got plenty of time
The end of the tradition.
Today, "going to a speedy lineup" means, IMO, no more Soriano leading-off. We'll find out tonight. And if that is so, dear Lord, thanks for listening to my prayers and for enlightening Lou before it was too late.
I think you are spot on
Speedy line up = Pie time!
I didn't think of this
by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually the collective offensive suckitude is
I just wanted to point out a contrast.
It all started to cool down for many players right when Jones was moved down to 8th, Soriano came back to lead-off and Theriot was moved down to the 2 hole. Cause and effect? Or is this just a coincidence and the offensive slump is due to the dog days of August?
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I still...
yeah,
Remember...
That said, the pitching hasn't been that great lately, either.
But...
I picked Friday as a starting point because I didn't want to count the series now being played.
So, the Cubs basically have to win it on the road the last week.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
This is very abstract -
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Till a few weeks back most of us weren't even ready to accept the Cards as a threat because their pitching and offense are so bad. Well now they are just 1 game behind us with that same crappy team.
What we are forgetting or at least trying to ignore most of the time is how crappy our team has been except for a couple of months in this season. I think our offense has been outright horrible. It looks good only on paper. When our bullpen is stable our offense cannot score more than a couple of runs be it Brad Penny or Wood Williams on the mound. When the offense scores more than 3 runs the Bull Pen explodes.
I still hope we win the battle of suckitude in the Comedy Central and advance to the post season. All I care right now is to get to the post season. We will cross the rest of the bridges when they come.
we really need lilly
The "we're still in first" argument...
Now, don't count me in the "we're done" crowd - I definitely think we have the talent to bounce back and hold off the Brewers and Cards. But to suggest things look promising at the moment simply because we're in first seems to overlook the fact that we've struggled while St Louis has really come on strong and the Brewers have rebounded a bit lately.
I'm hopeful we turn it around quickly. But if we keep playing like we have the past 5 weeks (5 games under .500 since Aug 1), I suspect we won't be saying "we're in first" soon, just as the Brewers can't say it anymore right now.
It doesn't look promising.
Yet I'm worried like you. IMO, this is an average (.500) team that overachieved for awhile but is now back to normal: An average team (.500) playing average ball (.500). I just hope I'm wrong or that the contenders in the Comedy Central are under average teams that don't overachieve in September.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
Hopefully, either we regain our June/July form, or the Brewers continue to slide AND the Cards remember that they should be a sub-.500 team and fade accordingly.
I'll stick by my 4/24/07 hopes.....
We're slowly digging a hole....
....My preseason thoughts were that this was a 75-87 team, but my hope was they would play at this clip and throw in a strong 25 game streak (say 18-7) which would put them at 82-80 for the year and play in some meaningful September games.
.....
El Jefe
by Jim Ignatowski on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 at 9:02 AM CT
by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Sep 5, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
they just lost
by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 5, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Right. I forgot that.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither of whom...
Losing Encarnacion means regular time for Duncan and Ankiel (2 dangerous bats), and Rolen was a very poor hitter this year.
They are losses, but not as big as you might think. Hopefully, though, it will turn out that the gain of Mulder isn't a very big addition, either.
Screw Mulder, bring back Scully!
by BlueW on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Magic number
Or maybe I should take it down for now.
No, please.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, the magic number must go!
Take it down now...
re: Take it down now...
Not that i'm superstitious or anything...
I'll go with the crowd
I was just reminded by a good friend that I need to keep an even keel about all of this because so much can happen in the post season. I think after almost 30 years, he has forgotten how difficult that is for me!
by No Southern Belle on Sep 5, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
the only magic numbers that mean anything...
It would make the Ripken streak number flipping game look like happy hour at Franciscan Monastery during Lent.
Ok, so I'm exaggerating a little. Drop the Lent part... ;-)
I'm taking it down temporarily.
Magic Number
by tucsoncubsfan on Sep 5, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Positive talk?
Sorry - got geeky there for a minute!
My own preference in this situation might be no talk at all, and a few wins.
No time for Wood.
The jury's still out on that one.
by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
He's Throwing Hard
Should we give up on Howry too?
by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
wood...
seriously, how many right-handers do the cubs need out of the bullpen?
Yep
haha what?
ha, well...
Not sure.
Wood has done nothing to suggest he has control, which has been his biggest problem. Maybe he does master his control as a RP in 2008, but I don't see it now.
For those sentimental about him then it could be a reasonable selling point to use him in mop-up role.
In Golf
may I point out that after big losses this year
One game at a time, Lilly is up against a poor starter, Cubs win tonight and get them tomorrow and they salvage a series split and end up 6-4 at home.
One Lineup Change
It worked a few months ago, when the Cubs started the winning streak that got them into the pennant race.
I didn't want to test my faith
Penny vs. Trachsel seems like me stepping into the ring with Randy Couture - thought Steve faired a bit better than I would have.
My faith is still because the central division is so bad and because really ANYTHING can happen in the post season.
If you can stick......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Sep 5, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Rampage
That's right.......
by PriorandAramisfan23 on Sep 5, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I have some good reach...
Soriano
satisfy the $136M ego?
not that simple
Theriot is 4th on the team with almost 62 runs created and over 4 3/4 runs per 27 outs, ARam is 3rd with 78 runs and bit better average just a tad under 7. DeRosa follows Theriot with 61 runs and a bit higher than Theriot with 5 1/6.
Looking at these numbers it would be better to bunch the order together with Theriot, Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and DeRosa followed by Floyd and Jones....
I'm in Wisconsin and can't get all the games on TV
WOOD ? WHAT ABOUT OH-MAN ???
But what about the guy who was put in the game right after him tonight? He was also in the mix on Monday afternoon.
What about Oh-Man?
My question is once again -- what is Lou doing putting him in these games?
As I said last night -- the Cubs ship out Patterson because of his tardiness. Ohman shows up late to Iowa and while on his slow train to Des Moines, Oh-Man decides to crap on the trainer and declare that he was pitching hurt when he was getting lit up in Chicago.
So what do Jim and Lou do? They bring the clown back for the pennant stretch. Then to compound things, Lou puts him in a game that counts and he does what he did before he got demoted. He gives up hits to lefties. Then Lou puts him in again last night -- and what does he do? The same damn thing !!! What in the world is Lou thinking about?
STOP USING OH-MAN !!! Let him shine shoes, clean out toilets, whatever it is that won't further harm the cause. PLEEEEEZZZZZ -- NO MORE OH-MAN.
I would be surprised
I think Piniella was trying to see how he would respond this time around. He came through like a lead balloon.
He'll probably be chained to the bullpen bench from here on out.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a new
How many more times is Lou gonna start Ward
He's the biggest defensive liability in all of baseball out there. I'm sick of it.
We've got Floyd and Monroe now... no reason to ever, ever start Floyd in the OF.
Maybe because I live in LA
But moving on, IF we can win these next two games and get to Friday, I think the advantage in schedule does shift back to the Cubs. For some reason, the Dodgers have had our number at Wrigley (21 of last 30 games).
All of these bad at bats and grounding into double plays at key times is very troubling...it just seems like guys are happy to make contact and NOT strike out. Hopefully, the funk will end tonight as Lou inserts Pie (my guess) and changes the batting order to put more life in the team.
Lilly
The lineup I would like to see tried
Kendall C
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Soriano LF
DeRosa 2B
Floyd/Ward/Murton RF
Pie CF
Lilly P
Fuld for Patterson ???
But why Fuld for Patterson ???
I saw he was late on monday ???
Patterson 24 AAA steals Fuld 9 AA steals
Did Lou not say in the post game last night team needs speed ???
Does Eric Patterson have bad feelings towards Cubs for team and fans dealing with Corey ???
As we have seen in 2 games with LA and last post season agianst Florida speed wins games.
According to Hendry on Cubs.com
"He's a good young player, a good kid. He has ability and has a heck of a chance to make the ballclub next year. I didn't think it was something to be looked upon lightly. It's a privilege to be called up from the Minor League system in the middle of a pennant race."
Patterson batted .250 with a double in eight games with the Cubs.
"He's not a problem, he's not disrespectful -- he made a mistake," Hendry said.
He also had this to say about Fuld, "Fuld is a great baserunner, excellent defender, a tough kid" "He's a run-through-the-wall for you guy."
Fuld, 25, batted .287 at Tennessee with 50 walks and struck out 43 times.
by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry's absolutely correct
cant argue with that
and you cant argue with a guy who's going to give you quality at bats every time. 50 walks, 43 k's, thats awesome.
I know many here...
But heck. He hits decently, has a bit of pop (27 doubles), and draws walks. I don't know that I'd start him tonight vs. a LHP, but why not tomorrow?
I would assume that
For the first time in a long time
Are one of our other starters shelved or was this a rest/experiment thing?
people have
try this: don't read the game comments here and stay away from sports talk radio. it's helped me stay positive and look forward to this stretch run. don't let others spoil your fun, period.
go cubs!
by pc45 on Sep 5, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!!
I've quit reading game threads and life is much better. I don't live in Chicago so I'm spared the Cub talk radio. If I was subjected to both, there is no doubt my wife would divorce me and I would have kicked my pets to death by now.
Hang in there Cub fans, at least it's September and we are playing meaningful ball.
Kicked your pets to death, wow that's
by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
true...
hypocrisy at its finest!
There's a difference
Nothing hypocritical about that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, if you look at the game threads,
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Cardinals Promoting Playoff Tickets
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl
Cubs site does not mention it? Does major league baseball know something we do not?
by mweil on Sep 5, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions
Click through to this link...
I suspect the Cubs may do something similar.
Did anyone
No, it's over.
Seriously! What gives? I would have gladly taken first place on Sept 4 as a success if one would have asked me on Apr 1. Sometimes the highs are just too high and the lows are just too low. This is a good team, not a great one. With a little luck, it could be quite nice. Let's watch it play out.
by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What gives me
Also, our first half of September is the toughest
Meanwhile the Cards have 3 against ARI, 5 against US, 3 against PHI, 3 against MIL, and 1 against NYM.
Brewers 4 vs. ATL, 3 vs. STL, and 4 vs. SD to finish the season.
Even if we fall back a half game or 1 1/2 games, I'm not going to worry until the last couple of days if we aren't in first and stay in striking distance.
Yes that
This was my point earlier...
The Cubs have to win the series against the bottom teams in Comedy Central (something they have not been great at) and beat up on the RedBirds when we play them.
This should be fun. GO CUBS!!!
The first two games have not been pretty
here's the problem with...
EVERY team has stretches of bad luck, more than likely in equal amounts, the good teams mitigate the damage from said bad luck whereas the others succumb to it.
for the greater part of the season the cubs have set-up shop in the latter.
Here's the problem with
It sounds witty at first, but then most people realize that you didn't use any facts to back it up and you just want to rain on the parade. The Cubs are still in first place despite facing some bad luck in the past couple of days. So I see some good bounces coming back to them this week.
How you can say that the Cubs have not overcome bad luck for the most part is absurd. How many times has this team come from behind? Did you not watch the game on Sunday? Maybe you missed the game against the Rockies where they gave up a multiple run lead in the 9th and won the game the game still. How about giving up five runs in the first inning versus the Brewers and winning that game in the bottom of the ninth? Sure they have blown games late, but I think you would find they have overcome more than they have given up.
incorrect!
the fact of the matter is that the cubs are 70-67!
in any event, i do believe the cubs will win the division and who knows from that point, but the "bad luck" argument, with all due respect, is tiresome and trite!
7-8 double plays in the last 2 games
bad luck?
That "luck" keeps me in the rare position to be excited for September baseball by rooting on the Cubs, and gives hope that i don't need to start paying attention to football until November!
by pc45 on Sep 5, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I was ranting
That being said, I will try to not be a jinx tonight. My season record drops to 1-5.
1-2 in San Diego, 0-1 in LA, 0-2 here.
Wild Bill -- the games are only exciting if you have the capability to score runs. These past two games were not exciting.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 5, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions
Agreed
I'm desparate
I will be at game tonite
Get there early
Bernie's at 3664 N. Clark is a great spot for beer with your dad. Not too sure on the 'quick' part, but Bernie's is good for older folks.
Have fun
Can't believe I forgot McDonald's
Just thought I would add my two cents
There are seats in thebleachers
Wrigleyville Dogs
Murphy's Hot Dogs on Belmont and Racine (That's about 6 blocks from Wrigley).
Bar Louie just south of Addison on Clark.
by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't great
So... this begs to be asked.
How will we win any games in October... ummmm, if we even get there?
Does this team have any sense of urgency?
good question
because it's baseball, anything can happen!
"Anything" hasn't = World Series
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right
We'll cross that bridge when we get there
Let me update that
Most important though, we'll cross that bridge if we get there.
Last nights
Who comes to the rescue
This team's problem is not pitching.
As usual...
(I just thought it was time to give all the Murton-haters something to do today...have at it!)
That bridge
I swear... I just don't get it.
Are you a troll?
A masochist?
Just dumb?
All four?
Right now we aren't losing to the Pirates, the Reds, or the Astros. We just took two of three from the 'stros. Our record against the Central is 31-28.
I'm not a troll... I'm just pissed off
And... in case you haven't noticed... and judging by your comments, you haven't...
We're:
6-6 vs Houston
4-5 vs Pittsburgh
5-7 vs Cincy
Plus, we're 0-3 vs Florida (who we play down the stretch)
That's bad, bad, bad against a group of teams that are a combined 66 games under .500
We can't manage to beat them
I'm not going to get mad because the Cubs are three games under .500 against these teams in part because it means they are six games over .500 when it comes to playing the Cards and the Brewers! I'm sure that if the situation was reveresed you would come on and say "Why can't they beat winning teams?"
I'm not worried that they got swept against the Marlins in April/May. Both teams were different teams back then.
Really at this point, it doesn't matter what the Cubs did two, three months ago. We have 26 days left and a 1/2 game lead. Enjoy the ride!
good gawd!
again, with all due respect, your rationalizations are devoid of merit.
With all due respect
"your rationalizations are devoid of merit."
Please explain. Go ahead and call me an idiot, but don't just label what I have to say as not having merit unless you can't explain it.
ESPECIALLY when you and I agree on the same friggin' thing!
"AT LEAST THEY ARE IN FIRST PLACE!"
not gonna do that...
what i'm referring to is this:
"I'm not going to get mad because the Cubs are three games under .500 against these teams in part because it means they are six games over .500 when it comes to playing the Cards and the Brewers!"
Here's what I mean:
If these records are right:
6-6 vs Houston
4-5 vs Pittsburgh
5-7 vs Cincy
Then we have to be a combined 16-10 against the Cards and Brewers.
I'm happy they can beat the Cards and the Brewers. They need to pick it up against the other central teams, true. They have a great shot at that this month. Until they finish the season with losing records against the bad central teams, I don't care.
Geez
What do you all do when you face REAL adversity?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I usually just
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's be honest
The reason we are skeptical is that they are the Cubs, the poster child of athletic futility.
My hope is in new ownership (and I hope that doesn't fall through), because the entire organization needs new leadership and new goals. I simply will not believe in this team, as a championship contender as long as they continue to perform as "lovable losers." The only time they haven't is during June and July, which isn't remarkable because they have done that many times before, with the same result - heartache for their fans.
Therefore, yes I want the team to win! Yes, I want to see a competitive team on the field. Yes, I want a pennant. And, yes, I want a World Series. In fact, if they ever do win the pennant, and a World Series, I, along with Cub fans across the country will celebrate with tears of joy.
However, it has not happened, and they are performing as "Cubs" right now. Could they turn it around and win the division? I have already said no prior to this thread. Nevertheless, if they somehow did, I would be not only pleasantly shocked, but there would be realistic hope that the culture of losing has a legitimate chance of coming to an end.
by Ken Hubbs on Sep 5, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
Offense
I believe that is directly attributable to the Cubs inability to develop decent position players as well as an organizational philosophy that overvalues "toolsy" players and undervalues guys who get on base and guys who are fundamentally sound (i.e. guys who run the bases properly). Over the last 10 years I think it's safe to say that the Cubs are among the worst baserunning teams in the league.
100% true
What do you suggest the Cubs do about that though? Should we forfeit the season in exchange for some organizational help on developing plays? Seriously, what can fans do to change that?
We could stop accepting
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what happened last year
Bottom line, agreed. Hope new ownership wants to win!
I won't go so far...
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No much
I agree with many that
I'm just curious
My point was
I truly don't care...
You see, the joy of pessimism is...either your always right, or pleasantly surprised.
by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
Perhaps you've changed me
That doesn't sound too bad.

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