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Double Trouble

Five double plays.

That's what told the story of the Cubs' 6-2 loss to the Dodgers, because the other thing that everyone feared before the game -- that Steve Trachsel, upon his return to the club after nearly an eight-year hiatus, would either pitch so slowly that he'd put everyone in the ballpark into a hypnotic trance, or would be pounded into submission by Dodger bats.

Neither happened; Trachsel was greeted by a warm ovation when his name was announced, and the pace of the game didn't slow down until after he was removed in the seventh inning, having thrown six fairly effective innings, allowing seven hits, a walk, and three runs, throwing 82 pitches -- a count that, for example, Carlos Zambrano has at times run up in four innings of work.

When Trachsel was removed the Cubs were trailing only 3-2, but had already hit into three of the rally-destroying five DP's, two of which were Derrek Lee's (that makes three in two days for D-Lee, after it appeared, finally, that he might be pulling out of his HR slump over the weekend). Unfortunately, Kerry Wood, Will Ohman and just-recalled Kevin Hart (who the Cubs acquired last winter from Baltimore in exchange for Freddie Bynum, which in and of itself makes him useful) did not get the job done in relief. Wood got hit hard and allowed two runs, the second of which scored when Juan Pierre dropped a perfectly-placed bunt down the 1B line; at first we thought that Lee might have been in position to take the play himself, but replays showed he wasn't. The same replays also showed that Wood broke late off the mound, allowing Pierre to beat out the two-out bunt, making the score 5-2.

Which also led to the question, perhaps better not answered: "Why couldn't Pierre have done more of that when he was a Cub?"

I know, I know, water far under the bridge. In fact, when Pierre's name was announced, no one either cheered or booed him. It was as if the year he spent here, in which he broke a 71-year-old club record (for at-bats in a season), never even happened.

Meanwhile, the poor bullpen work continued. Ohman replaced Wood after Mike Fontenot hit for Wood in the 7th. (And you should have heard the San Diego Smooth Jazz Man, who, along with three friends, sat with us last night, rail about Wood and his poor performance -- I think I heard something about "just release his butt", or some similar word.) Anyway, after two hits and an intentional walk loaded the bases, Ohman left to a chorus of boos, setting the stage for Hart to make his major league debut.

It's tough to make your debut in any circumstance. Now add a pennant-race game that your club is trailing in the late innings, and have the bases loaded with nobody out. I can't imagine why Lou put Hart in that sort of situation, unless he was, at that point, almost conceding the game and figuring he'd save the rest of his bullpen for today. Hart walked in the sixth run, and after that threw two scoreless innings, thanks in part to Alfonso Soriano's second outfield assist of the game (he now has thirteen for the season), throwing out Russell Martin trying to score on a medium-deep fly ball hit by Rafael Furcal.

The crowd of 37,834 had mostly left by then -- there couldn't have been more than 10,000 remaining by game's end -- and this was the smallest crowd since the 37,947 for the make-up game vs. the Astros on June 11, a couple of sections' worth of seats empty in the corners of the upper deck. The bleachers were not sold out for the first time since May; they are tonight, because Derrek Lee bobbleheads will be handed out to the first 10,000 in attendance.

And so, where do we go from here? To read some of your comments in last night's game thread, this season is over and we should simply move on to 2008. (Would I ever do such a thing? Read this 2004 post from my old site to find out.) But with 25 games remaining, remember this: the Cubs are still in first place, however tenuously, and they are the only team among the three contenders that has a winning record on the road. That's right, even though the Brewers and Cardinals have been winning, they have both been doing so at home, where both (Milwaukee, 44-26, and St. Louis, 38-30) play quite well, and better than the Cubs do at home (only two games over .500 at home now, 37-35). But the Brewers are ... well, there's no other way to say it ... bad on the road, 26-42. That's the worst road record in the National League. The Cardinals aren't much better at 30-37 away from Busch III. Meanwhile, the Cubs are 33-32 away from home, in line with most of the other playoff contenders' road records (apart from the Mets, who are a major-league best 43-30 on the road).

So when the Cubs go to Pittsburgh this weekend, and the Cardinals to Arizona, and the Brewers to Cincinnati, I'd expect the Cubs could put some distance in between themselves and the Brewers and Cardinals.

In the meantime, let's get a series split here at home. Bruce Miles says you may see some lineup changes tonight, and I'd be in favor of that, if for no other reason than just to shake things up. Sometimes that works, well, just because. Maybe give the just-recalled Sam Fuld a start -- I was surprised to see him at the ballpark last night (he'll wear uniform #57); apparently, Eric Patterson was sent home for the year for showing up late on Monday (the second time he's done that this year, including once at Iowa).

One final note about all the booing -- Lou Piniella seems to have the best perspective:

"The best way to quiet them is to go out and do well," said Piniella, who has heard his share of boos while playing and managing in New York. "They'll cheer you right back. The same way players get frustrated, fans get frustrated. You don't like to see players booed, but it's part of the emotion.

"You turn a deaf ear to that and go about your business as a professional. You do good things, and they'll cheer you again. I think the only sport they don't boo you is golf."

Exactly. Keep the faith. Don't give up. The best is yet to come.

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Hart
has some promise. I'm sure he was nervous as can be, and walked the first guy but was pretty tough after that. He deserves another shot sometime.

You're right on Pinella, be a professional. Simply put is the best.

We need a win in the worst way today. As I had said a week ago on a diary, we mixed lineups all year and it worked. Lou has gone to pretty much a set lineup and not that good of results. Let''s do what we've done all year, mix and play. We need those fresh faces anxious to succeed!

This is Harry Carray, goodbye from Wrigley Field and So Long Everybody.

by mrcubsfan on Sep 5, 2007 8:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Hart
Derrek Lee went and settled down Hart nicely after the walk. Maybe he should be the pitching coach! :)

You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 5, 2007 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pierre?
Did he lead the team and league in hits last year?  I think he was the least of our worries last year.

(sorry if this is not true, not much of a stat person)

by HIGGY on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou on booing.
He was right. As Brenly said last night during the game: This is not Little League and these players are not amateurs. They are professional and adult baseball players and they are paid well to perform well. The fans pay them and thus, they are entitled to have high expectations.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Right On!
My favorite part is -

"This is not Little League and these players are not amateurs"

This is the reason why I don't like any molly coddling. We have been finding excuses for this sorry bunch loss after loss. They couldn't hit Wandy Rodriguez and someone said - "he pitched well". Well the bottom line is we have to win games that we are supposed to win or more specifically we have to put away the opposing pitcher be it Brad Penny or Cy Young when they we get so many chances to score as we did last night. Also if we beat the lesser pitchers like we are supposed to then the pressure of beating a pitcher like Brad Penny won't be looming upon us.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 5, 2007 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Change the lineup
I think after the way things have went lately, some kind of change is needed, like you said, to shake things up a little.  It seems like most of the year, Lou did a good job of keeping everybody on their toes by moving people according to their performance.  He hasn't done much of that lately, and maybe some of the guys are too comfortable now.  They need that added pressure to perform or risk being moved down or out.  It sounds like they will do some changes today, and I think it will help.

by adam316 on Sep 5, 2007 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

interested
in seeing what changes lou does to this lineup tonight im sure he is going to shake some things up. maybe theriot leading off today. i know soriano is starting to hit but i think if he hits lower the runs will come. we need to do something before we give this lead up. im going to be pissed if STL win this division.
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 5, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

I would like to see Soriano hit between
Lee and ARam unless there is someone in the lineup to protect him. Otherwise he is not going to get anything to hit and again we will attribute his slump to the fact that he cannot hit anywhere outside the lead off spot which in my opinion is irrational.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 5, 2007 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Put Soriano third
I'm not sold yet on Derrek Lee's power re-surge  (notice how many of his homers are either basket or first few rows?  DLee of old was putting them halfway up the bleachers, deep into the bushes, and out on the street) but I've always been convinced he's a quality hitter.  

So I'd put DLee in the 2-hole, Soriano third, and ARam cleanup (or 5th if you want to break up the righties and Floyd/Ward is swinging well).

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 5, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like that..
I would say put Soriano anywhere but lead off (and yes not #2 either) and have someone protect him.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 5, 2007 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

My suggestion on the lineup
Theriot back to leadoff

Theriot
Lee
Soriano
Ramirez
Floyd(?)
DeRosa
Jones
Soto

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 5, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

i like this
theriot
jones
ramirez
soriano
lee
derosa
fontenoit
kendall or soto (can even switch fontenoit and the catcher around)
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 5, 2007 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have post this just 'cause I've ranted this b-4
Theriot
Kendall
Lee
A-Ram
Fonzie
D-Ro
Jones
Murton

Highest OBP up front followed by 3 power guys and the #6 with a good BA w/RISP.

Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 5, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

in theory!
followed by 3 power guys
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course in theory
and the past couple games totally contradict that. However I'd like to see what happens over more than 2 games (when Fonzie was in the 5-hole previously).
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

BINGO!
I have also advocated this lineup, with Theriot/Kendall at 1,2. Counts worked, pitches seen, good OBP at the top, and the opposing pitcher racking up pitch count.

by cubrandy on Sep 5, 2007 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sori in the 5-hole
I'd rather see Soriano in the 3 or 4 hole instead of 5.  With DeRosa or even someone like Floyd batting behind him, I don't they worry the pitcher enough to throw him anything but breaking balls.  I like the idea of Soriano, Ramirez, Lee, 3-4-5.

Theriot
Kendall
Soriano
Ramirez
Lee
DeRosa
Jones
Pie

by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 5, 2007 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this lineup a lot...
...DLee to the two-hole for President!
Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 5, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice quote from Sweet Lou
about the booing.  Remember when Dusty slammed the fans for booing LaTroy when he was pitching for the opposing team?  Thank God the Cubs have a manager who's got a good perspective on these things.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Anybody reminded of 2004?
I'm trying not to panic after 2 losses in a row, but this season is reminding me of '04. The Cubs have the favorable schedule down the stretch but just aren't looking like they can pull away. And Al, you can by no means count on a big weekend against Pittsburgh.

by Mapmaker on Sep 5, 2007 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

No, because...
... in 2004, the collapse happened when it was too late to recover, with only a few games left.

There are 25 games left and the team is still first. There's time to rectify this, but it needs to start tonight.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering
the same thing.  In my opinion this is a must win because we will lose posession of first place which could continue to hurt the players' morale and cause more bad performances.

by adam316 on Sep 5, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did Al ever settle on...
an alternate term for a "must win"? He might have to use it today.

And yes, in 2004 the team collapsed later in the season. Could that only mean that we collapsed earlier this year? I just wonder if the disaster already started and some of us haven't noticed it yet.

Since I'm neither an optimist nor a pessimist (I'm more of a realistic observer), I'll just wait and see.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

i like
a "need to go get it game"
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 5, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

How about
"s*** or get off the pot" game.

by eamuscatuli1881 on Sep 5, 2007 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol
nice!!
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 5, 2007 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still got plenty of time
With 25 games left, there is a lot of time. once we are done with the cardinals in 10 days we will have a better idea of what direction we are going in. Lilly is due for a win, almost as bad as Big Z. Let's see if we can turn this into a game + lead. No more DPs tonight!

by mossey12 on Sep 5, 2007 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

The end of the tradition.
I take Lou's comments as riddles. He always implies but doesn't say outright what he's going to do because he doesn't want to point out fingers in public at his players. For instance, going to a "closer by committee" really meant that "Howry will be the closer until Dempster clears his head and heals his oblique."

Today, "going to a speedy lineup" means, IMO, no more Soriano leading-off. We'll find out tonight. And if that is so, dear Lord, thanks for listening to my prayers and for enlightening Lou before it was too late.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I think you are spot on
I think that more speed comment meant no more Soriano leading off.  I also think we may see Pie in center.

by mgfabc on Sep 5, 2007 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Speedy line up = Pie time!
Can't deny the energy the team had when he played.  My guess is Jones will be in RF tonight and Felix in CF.
Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 5, 2007 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't think of this
and it would have made sense if a right hander were on the mound.  Since Stutts is pitching, I doubt we will see that.  

by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

The return of another tradition.
Jacque Jones' hitting sucks again. (Don't tell the optimists.)

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Actually the collective offensive suckitude is
so much that we can't single out one player. It simply isn't fair.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 5, 2007 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just wanted to point out a contrast.
Jones was the hottest hitter on the team for awhile and now he's one of the coldest.

It all started to cool down for many players right when Jones was moved down to 8th, Soriano came back to lead-off and Theriot was moved down to the 2 hole. Cause and effect? Or is this just a coincidence and the offensive slump is due to the dog days of August?

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still...
...think the Cubs will win the division because as Al points out the Brewers and Cardinals are bad on the road.  However it'll take a miracle for this offense to take this team anywhere in the post-season.

by jolietconvict on Sep 5, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply actions  

yeah,
but i think the cardinals' road record will improve coming down the stretch.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 5, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Remember...
... good pitching usually wins playoff series, not good hitting.

That said, the pitching hasn't been that great lately, either.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

But...
from Friday until the end of the season the other two teams have 3 home games each more than the Cubs. The road games left are about the same from Friday until the season ends (14 for the Cubs and Cardinals; 13 for the Brewers).

I picked Friday as a starting point because I didn't want to count the series now being played.

So, the Cubs basically have to win it on the road the last week.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is very abstract -
"Brewers and Cardinals are bad on the road"
------------------------------------------
Till a few weeks back most of us weren't even ready to accept the Cards as a threat because their pitching and offense are so bad. Well now they are just 1 game behind us with that same crappy team.

What we are forgetting or at least trying to ignore most of the time is how crappy our team has been except for a couple of months in this season. I think our offense has been outright horrible. It looks good only on paper. When our bullpen is stable our offense cannot score more than a couple of runs be it Brad Penny or Wood Williams on the mound. When the offense scores more than 3 runs the Bull Pen explodes.

I still hope we win the battle of suckitude in the Comedy Central and advance to the post season. All I care right now is to get to the post season. We will cross the rest of the bridges when they come.

by cubsnlinux on Sep 5, 2007 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

we really need lilly
to dominate tonight. hopefully, he'll have the good control. it sure would be nice to be on a winning streak heading into st.louis and just roll over them. what i would give for a 8 game winning streak.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Sep 5, 2007 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

The "we're still in first" argument...
sounds a LOT like the argument Brewers (players and fans) were using back in July/August, and many on this board were ridiculing that position at the time.

Now, don't count me in the "we're done" crowd - I definitely think we have the talent to bounce back and hold off the Brewers and Cards.  But to suggest things look promising at the moment simply because we're in first seems to overlook the fact that we've struggled while St Louis has really come on strong and the Brewers have rebounded a bit lately.

I'm hopeful we turn it around quickly.  But if we keep playing like we have the past 5 weeks (5 games under .500 since Aug 1), I suspect we won't be saying "we're in first" soon, just as the Brewers can't say it anymore right now.

by SouthernCub on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

It doesn't look promising.
But it's a fact that we're in first, at least until tonight.

Yet I'm worried like you. IMO, this is an average (.500) team that overachieved for awhile but is now back to normal: An average team (.500) playing average ball (.500). I just hope I'm wrong or that the contenders in the Comedy Central are under average teams that don't overachieve in September.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...
we've been fortunate that the rest of the division has been generally mediocre/bad this season.  Otherwise, we'd be in real trouble right now.

Hopefully, either we regain our June/July form, or the Brewers continue to slide AND the Cards remember that they should be a sub-.500 team and fade accordingly.

by SouthernCub on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll stick by my 4/24/07 hopes.....

We're slowly digging a hole....
....My preseason thoughts were that this was a 75-87 team, but my hope was they would play at this clip and throw in a strong 25 game streak (say 18-7) which would put them at 82-80 for the year and play in some meaningful September games.

.....

El Jefe

by Jim Ignatowski on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 at 9:02 AM CT

El Jefe

by Reverend Jim Ignatowski on Sep 5, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

they just lost
Encarnacion and Rolen for the year....

by DartmouthCubsFan on Sep 5, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right. I forgot that.
Again, when it rains it pours, both ways.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Neither of whom...
did very much for them this year.

Losing Encarnacion means regular time for Duncan and Ankiel (2 dangerous bats), and Rolen was a very poor hitter this year.

They are losses, but not as big as you might think.  Hopefully, though, it will turn out that the gain of Mulder isn't a very big addition, either.

by SouthernCub on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Screw Mulder, bring back Scully!
Wait, what?!
"They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself." ~Andy Warhol

by BlueW on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Magic number
I blame this recent slide in the standings on Al's prematurely posting the magic number.  There was no reason to tempt fate like that.  I assume it will go away if the Cubs fall out of first place.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 9:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Or maybe I should take it down for now.
What say all of you? Should I take that off the sidebar?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, please.
It's the only ray of sunshine left today.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes, the magic number must go!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take it down now...
...and only put it back after the loss column lead exceeds 4 games.
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 5, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

re: Take it down now...
I was gonna say, bring back the magic number when it's down to, say, 10 or so.
Carlos Marmol, you complete me.

by daver on Sep 5, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not that i'm superstitious or anything...
I vote we take it down for a while.  Or better yet, put up the magic numbers for the brewers and cardinals.  Heck go ahead and put the reds and pirates up there too.

by jbowling13 on Sep 5, 2007 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go with the crowd
Maybe the number should be taken down.

I was just reminded by a good friend that I need to keep an even keel about all of this because so much can happen in the post season. I think after almost 30 years, he has forgotten how difficult that is for me!

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Sep 5, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

the only magic numbers that mean anything...
are the ones up on the rooftop across Sheffield.  Man, what I wouldn't give to see all the hoopla and bright lights when somebody (maybe Santo?) goes up there and changes/flips over/resets those numbers to zero.

It would make the Ripken streak number flipping game look like happy hour at Franciscan Monastery during Lent.

Ok, so I'm exaggerating a little.  Drop the Lent part...  ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Sep 5, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm taking it down temporarily.
Let's hope I have a reason to put it back soon.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

at least until
it get into the low teens or single digits
put soriano in the 5-hole please!!!!

by tbizzle83 on Sep 5, 2007 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Magic Number
Yes, take it down. When I first saw it I said to myself that it's way to soon and may be the kiss of death. I think magic numbers should be mentioned when it gets down to 10.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Sep 5, 2007 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

No
The obvious thing to do for a franchise that has always been mired and damned by "bad luck" is to leave the number there.  Change the "culture of losing" by predicting and suggesting that the Cubs will indeed win this.  The positive talk isn't the problem, and never has been.
Eighty-five percent of the f*ckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent come out here. -- Lee Constantine Elia, 1983.

by krummy12 on Sep 5, 2007 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Positive talk?
Talk by itself, of any type, never meant a thing, anywhere in the world.  Words without actions are just...organized vibrations.

Sorry - got geeky there for a minute!

My own preference in this situation might be no talk at all, and a few wins.

by MN exile on Sep 5, 2007 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

take it down!!
I actually put it up on my site and took it down 2 days later...Bad karma.

by kaseyi on Sep 5, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

No time for Wood.
I agree with the comments that you described from SD Smooth Jazzman, Wood should be gone or just relegated to the bullpen bench.  He's received a chance during a race for the NLCD and he has been bad.  He hasn't earned anymore chances, let him work it out next year on another roster.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 5, 2007 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

The jury's still out on that one.
Wood has been good other times. He just happened to mess up in a big game last night. Compared to other relievers in the majors this year, Wood has performed well.

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's Throwing Hard
in the mid-90's.  How much time do you give him to get his breaking stuff back?  Another off-season?  It's good to have a veteran arm on the bullpen bench, and I hope the Cubs give him enough time to prove himself.
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should we give up on Howry too?
Remember that game not too long ago when we were up  8-3 and then he gave up 6 runs to make it 9-8? How about Dempster who has 2 blown saves this year, let's get rid of him too. Oh and don't forget Eyre, and then there's that kid Marmol, I think he had a bad outing or two this year. You are being unrealistic if you think Wood or anyone is going to be perfect. He's doing a good job for someone who has been out as long as he has.  
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

wood...
is the least of this team's concerns. he, for all intents and purposes, is a non-factor.

seriously, how many right-handers do the cubs need out of the bullpen?

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep
This team can't hit worth a damn.  Worrying about the 4th or 5th best right hander out of the bullpen seems a little silly to me.  How about we worry about Lee's diminished run production or his sudden penchant for bouncing into inning-killing double plays.  Or how about the miserable offense and defense this team is getting from right field.  Seems to me those issues are much more important.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha what?
define bad.  he has 10 k's in 12 innings with a 2.84 era.
Matt Murton career in September: .321/.401/.576, 10 jacks (165 ab). Make sure Matt the Bat gets in the lineup this month Lou!

by kylejo on Sep 5, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

ha, well...
until last night...and apparently yahoo hasnt updated his stats yet.  so never mind that last comment.
Matt Murton career in September: .321/.401/.576, 10 jacks (165 ab). Make sure Matt the Bat gets in the lineup this month Lou!

by kylejo on Sep 5, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure.
what his numbers are.  From the ESPN stat. site his ERA is supposedly is 3.95.  Still, ERA isn't the best measure for a relief pitcher.  He walks too many guys to be used reliably in relief.  I suppose we can use him in mop up role, but I don't want his Flyballs and his walks coming in the game when it counts.

Wood has done nothing to suggest he has control, which has been his biggest problem.  Maybe he does master his control as a RP in 2008, but I don't see it now.

For those sentimental about him then it could be a reasonable selling point to use him in mop-up role.

by DudeVf11 on Sep 5, 2007 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you all think?
Did Soriano coming back to lead-off screw up the team's offense?

by Fraggin Judge on Sep 5, 2007 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Well
They weren't scoring much while he was gone either.  This team just doesn't have many run producers.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

In Golf
you'll either get the groan/head-shake or a derisive chuckle when the pro's mess up.  Most spectators at a tournament golf themselves, so they can empathize with a 3-putt, chili-dipped chip shot or a sliced drive.  Most baseball fans may not have experience with running around 3rd base like a Pamplona bull, or continuously hitting weak grounders to 2nd base, or not being able to throw out someone trying to steal a base.  The fans generally know when MLB players are messing up, though you'll get your occasional drunk or "mis-informed fan" who boos just for the heck of it.
Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

In Golf
The only place they will boo you is on the 16th at TPC Scottsdale - Stadium Course.  One of the greatest and craziest holes in golf!
The Cubs Are On Their Way!!

by DenverCub on Sep 5, 2007 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

may I point out that after big losses this year
Cubs for the most part have lost the succeeding game and then rebounded.

One game at a time, Lilly is up against a poor starter, Cubs win tonight and get them tomorrow and they salvage a series split and end up 6-4 at home.

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 5, 2007 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

One Lineup Change
I'd like to see is Pie starting in CF.  Yeah, his average is not good, but maybe he could help spark Soriano into a hitting streak.  It's worth a try for a couple of games at least.  Pie's enthusiasm would hopefully spread to the rest of the club, as they all seem a little over-stressed and not enjoying the game.  Losing at home, though, does not help generate happy faces.

It worked a few months ago, when the Cubs started the winning streak that got them into the pennant race.

Pie, Fontenot, Theriot and Soto up the middle ... yippie oh, oh, oh!

by SpudV on Sep 5, 2007 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I didn't want to test my faith
so I didn't watch the game - hoping somehow I would look at the score this morning and see something unexpected.

Penny vs. Trachsel seems like me stepping into the ring with Randy Couture - thought Steve faired a bit better than I would have.

My faith is still because the central division is so bad and because really ANYTHING can happen in the post season.

'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Sep 5, 2007 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

If you can stick......
Couture in the jaw, you could beat him. Rampage Jackson did.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Sep 5, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rampage
Never fought Randy Couture. It was Chuck Liddell.
JKuhle "I'd walk through hell in a gasonline suit to play baseball."

by TCobb1911 on Sep 5, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's right.......
my mistake.
RAMIREZ!! PRIOR!!

by PriorandAramisfan23 on Sep 5, 2007 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have some good reach...
(my arms are 2.5 inches longer than normal) but I'm still not sure I could go more than 15 seconds with Couture unless I somehow distracked him with my good nature.
'07 Postseason: Bears, Bulls... Cubs?

by stelmodad on Sep 5, 2007 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano
Does anyone know Piniella's reasoning for not keeping Theriot at leadoff and batting Soriano lower in the order to get more RBIs?  Theriot could probably run better as well.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Sep 5, 2007 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

satisfy the $136M ego?
I don't have any other logical reason. See my signature...
Leading off and playing short, TheRiot; batting 2nd and catching, Mr.OBP, Jason Kendall.....Do it Lou!

by blackhawk24 on Sep 5, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

not that simple
Soriano whether me makes $18M or $10 or $2M has shown and felt better leading off. He is number two on the team in runs created with 80 and number two over 27 outs in creating 6 1/4, (Lee is first with 91 and a bit over 7 per 27 outs.

Theriot is 4th on the team with almost 62 runs created and over 4 3/4 runs per 27 outs, ARam is 3rd with 78 runs and bit better average just a tad under 7. DeRosa follows Theriot with 61 runs and a bit higher than Theriot with 5 1/6.

Looking at these numbers it would be better to bunch the order together with Theriot, Soriano, Lee, Ramirez and DeRosa followed by Floyd and Jones....

Milw-09-24-98--Brown in for defense--bases loaded--flyball--HE DROPPED THE BALL!!!NO NO NO, cubs lose 8-7

by Ivy Walls on Sep 5, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in Wisconsin and can't get all the games on TV
So I don't check the scores (because it's too painful) until around 10 pm. I want to throw up when I see the Cubs lost and the Brewers and Cards both won.

by Mapmaker on Sep 5, 2007 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

WOOD ? WHAT ABOUT OH-MAN ???
Woody certainly has not shown anything special since his return and as someone pointed out, we have plenty of righties in the pen.
But what about the guy who was put in the game right after him tonight? He was also in the mix on Monday afternoon.
What about Oh-Man?
My question is once again -- what is Lou doing putting him in these games?
As I said last night -- the Cubs ship out Patterson because of his tardiness. Ohman shows up late to Iowa and while on his slow train to Des Moines, Oh-Man decides to crap on the trainer and declare that he was pitching hurt when he was getting lit up in Chicago.
So what do Jim and Lou do? They bring the clown back for the pennant stretch. Then to compound things, Lou puts him in a game that counts and he does what he did before he got demoted. He gives up hits to lefties. Then Lou puts him in again last night -- and what does he do? The same damn thing !!! What in the world is Lou thinking about?
STOP USING OH-MAN !!! Let him shine shoes, clean out toilets, whatever it is that won't further harm the cause. PLEEEEEZZZZZ -- NO MORE OH-MAN.

by ceegeewow on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I would be surprised
if you see Ohman again in a critical situation.

I think Piniella was trying to see how he would respond this time around. He came through like a lead balloon.

He'll probably be chained to the bullpen bench from here on out.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe a new
lineup with speed will help. It can't hurt. I absolutely positively don't want to see Ohman again.
I love this team!!!

by sue369 on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

How many more times is Lou gonna start Ward
in RF?

He's the biggest defensive liability in all of baseball out there. I'm sick of it.

We've got Floyd and Monroe now... no reason to ever, ever start Floyd in the OF.

1-RUN GAMES = 17-19 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 35-33 | updated on9/1

by SackMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree
xcept that at least Ward hits. Monroe is an automatic out.
"When you're eight games behind, it's like eight miles; when you're eight games in front, it's like eight inches."- Ron Santo

by BigJohnAZ on Sep 5, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because I live in LA
and know how we are the Dodgers' bitch (I always lose a bet to a guy in my office for the Wrigley series!), I feared this week and what could happen to us versus the Brewers and RedBirds.  That is why that Zambrano flame-out on Monday was so costly.  That was a game we really needed to have and a matchup that was truly in our favor.  Too bad Zambrano didn't understand the importance of that game in terms of the balance of power and the schedule.

But moving on, IF we can win these next two games and get to Friday, I think the advantage in schedule does shift back to the Cubs.  For some reason, the Dodgers have had our number at Wrigley (21 of last 30 games).  

All of these bad at bats and grounding into double plays at key times is very troubling...it just seems like guys are happy to make contact and NOT strike out.  Hopefully, the funk will end tonight as Lou inserts Pie (my guess) and changes the batting order to put more life in the team.

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 5, 2007 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Lilly
Has got to pick it up. Everyone talks about Zambrano's problems, but Lilly has had a 5.29 ERA over his last three starts. He also has a terrible history vs. the Dodgers. I'm trying to be optimistic about tonight's game - let's hope Lilly can turn it around.
"Have Keith Moreland drop a routine fly. Give everybody two bags of peanuts and a frosty malt, And I'll be ready to die." -Steve Goodman

by danimal15 on Sep 5, 2007 11:56 AM CDT reply actions  

The lineup I would like to see tried
Theriot SS
Kendall C
Lee 1B
Ramirez 3B
Soriano LF
DeRosa 2B
Floyd/Ward/Murton RF
Pie CF
Lilly P

by AndHart120 on Sep 5, 2007 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuld for Patterson ???
Here in CT we dont get the all the news.

But why Fuld for Patterson ???

I saw he was late on monday ???

Patterson 24 AAA steals Fuld 9 AA steals

Did Lou not say in the post game last night team needs speed ???

Does Eric Patterson have bad feelings towards Cubs for team and fans dealing with Corey ???

As we have seen in 2 games with LA and last post season agianst Florida speed wins games.

by parrotinct on Sep 5, 2007 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

According to Hendry on Cubs.com
"Obviously, he made a mistake, and it wasn't the first time this year either here or in the system," Hendry said. "I just felt I was going to do what's best for the organization.

"He's a good young player, a good kid. He has ability and has a heck of a chance to make the ballclub next year. I didn't think it was something to be looked upon lightly. It's a privilege to be called up from the Minor League system in the middle of a pennant race."

Patterson batted .250 with a double in eight games with the Cubs.

"He's not a problem, he's not disrespectful -- he made a mistake," Hendry said.

He also had this to say about Fuld, "Fuld is a great baserunner, excellent defender, a tough kid" "He's a run-through-the-wall for you guy."

Fuld, 25, batted .287 at Tennessee with 50 walks and struck out 43 times.

There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hendry's absolutely correct
If you can't get your ass to the ballpark on time during your major league callup in the heat of a pennant race something is seriously wrong.  Hopefully Patterson gets himself straightened out.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

cant argue with that
i really wish patterson was still with the team, because he looks like he could have contributed, but how the HELL do you not show up on time after you have been promoted, to the chicago cubs, for a pennat race in september?!?  that is just messed up, doesnt make any sense.

and you cant argue with a guy who's going to give you quality at bats every time.  50 walks, 43 k's, thats awesome.

Matt Murton career in September: .321/.401/.576, 10 jacks (165 ab). Make sure Matt the Bat gets in the lineup this month Lou!

by kylejo on Sep 5, 2007 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know many here...
... have wanted Fuld to get a major league chance. He started late as a pro, not playing professionally till age 23. He's nearly 26 and has played only 15 games above Double-A.

But heck. He hits decently, has a bit of pop (27 doubles), and draws walks. I don't know that I'd start him tonight vs. a LHP, but why not tomorrow?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would assume that
Patterson didn't have a good excuse, or he would still be with the big club.
What am I going to do when the season ends???

by Saratoga on Sep 5, 2007 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

For the first time in a long time
I wasn't able to see, hear about or even read about Cubbies baseball this past weekend.  I find it hard to believe though Al, that there are people who are actually giving up on the season???  I saw we lost the first game to the Stros and assumed we got our act together to take the next two.  Has it been that ugly these past two days?  As you said, we're still in first place.  Just curious as to how there are true Cubs fans who are thinking about next year right now.  I couldn't be more excited for these last few weeks, here's to REAL Cubbies fans seizing the moment and enjoying the ride.

Are one of our other starters shelved or was this a rest/experiment thing?

by lilkimmer77 on Sep 5, 2007 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

people have
been giving up on the season since the season started.

try this:  don't read the game comments here and stay away from sports talk radio.  it's helped me stay positive and look forward to this stretch run.    don't let others spoil your fun, period.

go cubs!

by pc45 on Sep 5, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly!!
I'm sorry Al, I love the site, but the game threads are beyond annoying.  Quantity is not better than quality.  The diaries are cool, but there is no way to have an intelligent discussion in game threads without feeling like I have to log off and go take a shower.

I've quit reading game threads and life is much better.  I don't live in Chicago so I'm spared the Cub talk radio.  If I was subjected to both, there is no doubt my wife would divorce me and I would have kicked my pets to death by now.

Hang in there Cub fans, at least it's September and we are playing meaningful ball.

by martyblue on Sep 5, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kicked your pets to death, wow that's
pretty harsh. I used to scare my kids with all the yelling and pounding of my fist to the nearest surface, however I have learned that if I watch the game with a pillow near me, I can scream all I want and pound my fist all I want and no one gets hurt (including myself) or scared. Try kicking a pillow instead of your pooch. I do know you were joking though.
There are 3 things in my life which I really love: God, family, and baseball. The only problem - once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit.

by cubsfan4life on Sep 5, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

true...
...some of the posts in the game threads are not as well thought-out as they might be and others are down right obnoxious, but there are also many posters who ride on a high horse.  often times, if a poster's thoughts depart from that of the masses, they are denominated as a forum "negative nelly"! many of the posters who bestow said title upon the dissenters are the same who have championed the right to boo at wrigley.

hypocrisy at its finest!    

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a difference
between booing consistently abysmal performances (Zambrano the other day) and getting on someone's case because they all but declare the game over in the second inning.

Nothing hypocritical about that.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cardinals Promoting Playoff Tickets
I was on the Cardinals Web site and I discovered on one of their rolling billboards they are promoting to their fans how to get on the list for PLAYOFF tickets.

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=stl

Cubs site does not mention it? Does major league baseball know something we do not?

 

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Sep 5, 2007 1:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Click through to this link...
... they're having a lottery for the chance to buy whatever playoff tickets are left after Cardinal season ticket holders and sponsors, etc. get theirs.

I suspect the Cubs may do something similar.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Sep 5, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did anyone
really thing this was going to be easy? This is what makes it all the better. As the games grow less, each one becomes more exciting. I still maintain our Cubs will win the division. I have stated before they will win simply because they are the better of the two teams CHASING THEM. Have faith fans, they will pull it out.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

No, it's over.
The earliest I could possibly see the Cubs making it to the World Series is the 22nd century.  It would take that long for the Cubs to purge itself from Zambrano or Jones or Floyd or Murton.  It's over ... It's just all over.

Seriously!  What gives?  I would have gladly taken first place on Sept 4 as a success if one would have asked me on Apr 1.  Sometimes the highs are just too high and the lows are just too low.  This is a good team, not a great one.  With a little luck, it could be quite nice.  Let's watch it play out.
 

by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

What gives me
hope more so is the way the Cards finished last year. Limping into the playoffs and ending up with the ring. All things being equal, the Cubs are not the best in the NL, let alone all of the majors. But they have the pitching in a short series to overcome better teams. I'll take a Zambrano, Lilly and Hill anytime for a post season series. They have shown that at times they are very good. If they all click this could be a fun ride.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, our first half of September is the toughest
After the Dodgers, the Cards are the last team over .500 we face... and they are just one game over right now.

Meanwhile the Cards have 3 against ARI, 5 against US, 3 against PHI, 3 against MIL, and 1 against NYM.

Brewers 4 vs. ATL, 3 vs. STL, and 4 vs. SD to finish the season.

Even if we fall back a half game or 1 1/2 games, I'm not going to worry until the last couple of days if we aren't in first and stay in striking distance.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes that
is exactly the way I feel. If we do drop out of first, stay with in striking distance and they will get it done. Let's face it, Zambrano has not been a factor in a month. Lilly has cooled down. Even with all this we are still in first, albeit not by much. Zambrano and Lilly show up with a few solid starts and we will be just fine. Let Lilly get the ball rolling tonight.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was my point earlier...
If by some miracle, we are still in first on Friday, I think that is huge.  Milwaukee has lots of road games left and tough opponents.  The RedBirds also.  We just have to remember that a lot of their tough games come at the end of the month.

The Cubs have to win the series against the bottom teams in Comedy Central (something they have not been great at) and beat up on the RedBirds when we play them.

This should be fun.  GO CUBS!!!

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 5, 2007 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first two games have not been pretty
But some of it is just bad luck.  I mean, 7-8 double plays in two games?  Sure some of that falls on the players, but some of that is just the way the ball bounces.  I think the Cubs made good contact against both pitchers, but we haven't been finding holes, getting decent bounces let alone good ones, etc.  Meanwhile the Dodgers have scored a lot of runs based on singles.  I have a good feeling tonight with Lilly versus Stolts and some of the luck bound to even out.  Plus, I read somewhere that the Brewers haven't gained two games on the Cubs in a row since June.  I think tonight will be our night and we'll bounce back.  I'll move closer to the 'the season's over' crowd if they lose another game through pure bad play, but I'm seeing a game where Lilly pitches a quality start, we have no double plays, Marmol comes in, Dempster gets the save.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:29 PM CDT reply actions  

here's the problem with...
...the "bad luck" argument.

EVERY team has stretches of bad luck, more than likely in equal amounts, the good teams mitigate the damage from said bad luck whereas the others succumb to it.

for the greater part of the season the cubs have set-up shop in the latter.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the problem with
your 'post'.

It sounds witty at first, but then most people realize that you didn't use any facts to back it up and you just want to rain on the parade.  The Cubs are still in first place despite facing some bad luck in the past couple of days.  So I see some good bounces coming back to them this week.

How you can say that the Cubs have not overcome bad luck for the most part is absurd.  How many times has this team come from behind?  Did you not watch the game on Sunday?  Maybe you missed the game against the Rockies where they gave up a multiple run lead in the 9th and won the game the game still.  How about giving up five runs in the first inning versus the Brewers and winning that game in the bottom of the ninth?  Sure they have blown games late, but I think you would find they have overcome more than they have given up.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

incorrect!
i am not one of those who piss on the cornflakes of the cubs! yes, the cubs have overcome some adversity, but i can fall out of bed and do the same.

the fact of the matter is that the cubs are 70-67!

in any event, i do believe the cubs will win the division and who knows from that point, but the "bad luck" argument, with all due respect, is tiresome  and trite!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

7-8 double plays in the last 2 games
Was tottaly created by the Dodgers themselves?  Wow!  Give them the WS crown right now!

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

bad luck?
First place in september (however tenuous) is bad luck?  I consider it pretty good luck that the Cubs are in the division where their record alone puts them just about out of contention anywhere else.  

That "luck" keeps me in the rare position to be excited for September baseball by rooting on the Cubs, and gives hope that i don't need to start paying attention to football until November!

by pc45 on Sep 5, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I was ranting
"...just release his butt...." as reference to Mr. Wood. He is futility personified.

That being said, I will try to not be a jinx tonight. My season record drops to 1-5.

1-2 in San Diego, 0-1 in LA, 0-2 here.

Wild Bill -- the games are only exciting if you have the capability to score runs. These past two games were not exciting.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Sep 5, 2007 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed
but I am just one excitable guy. Really I was referring to the season as a whole. The concept of actually being in a divisional race in Sept. I am one of those people as silly as it sounds, that holds out hope until the final out regardless of the score. Call me crazy, or better yet call me Wild Bill!
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm desparate
for a Cubs team that dominates a season. This scraping and clawing is just painful. Plus, I'm living in Brewerland. Make no mistake, Brewer fans are Packer fans and we know how annoying they are.

by Mapmaker on Sep 5, 2007 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw
but you have the lakes and woods, for that I am envious. I could put up (clearing throat) with Packer fans (AKA Brewers fans) with that kind of terrain.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will be at game tonite
First time in the bleachers. Im goin with my father early. Im going to try and sit in the left field bleachers. Any good spots to eat before the game? like quick burger joint?

by Kchance on Sep 5, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Get there early
If it's your first time in the bleachers, you will want to get in the gate early to make sure you get a seat.  It's every man for himself and getting a seat can be kind of crazy.  Give yourself at least 30 minutes before the game starts to walk through the gate.

Bernie's at 3664 N. Clark is a great spot for beer with your dad.  Not too sure on the 'quick' part, but Bernie's is good for older folks.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have fun
I have been to one thousand games (some posters might recall this statement by a former poster)  and I have never been in the bleachers. Not sure why. Have a great time. There is a McDonalds across the street for a burger though.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't believe I forgot McDonald's
Yeah, if you want something really quick, do McDonald's, then get a beer at Bernie's after the game.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw yes
living high on the hog.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just thought I would add my two cents
Keep up your non-bleachers streak.  I really don't get what the big deal is.  If you love to party, then by all means.  Otherwise, you may not get a seat if you are running late, your seat will be crowded anyway, you have to deal with more annoying drunks than usual, you don't have a back to your seat, and people spill their beer all over the place.  It made sense when the bleachers were the cheapest seats, but with the prices today, get yourself a seat along the 1st base side in the outfield (foul ground) and you'll save money and have a better time.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Section
222 is where my normal stomping grounds are. Don't have to worry about getting hit by a foul ball. HEHEHE.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are seats in thebleachers
with backs, you just have to be dedicated enough to get there early and claim these seats. Crowded yes but last time i checked, on a sell out day, the grand stand seats are anything but comfortably spacious.  Yes there are drunk people in the bleachers but there are many to be had in the stands as well.  The sun shines (on a sunny day of course) on your face, the view is great, and the right company makes it a very entertaining game. I love the bleachersm, and I don;t really drink at the games.
MMMMM...Mannys corned beef and a latke

by Kinky Reggae on Sep 5, 2007 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrigleyville Dogs
It's just north of Waveland on Clark.

Murphy's Hot Dogs on Belmont and Racine (That's about 6 blocks from Wrigley).

Bar Louie just south of Addison on Clark.

by NO100 on Sep 5, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

burger
Bar Louie has good burgers...
You can't quiet THE RIOT

by TipsyMcStagger on Sep 5, 2007 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't great
that it is September 5th and there 122 posts (at the time I began writing this one, and in fact this makes 123) talking about the Cubs and a possible playoff birth instead of looking ahead to the upcoming NFL season or College season as we have to do most Septembers.  I will take this, but obviously I want more, so much more, but this is so much better than the end of last season!
The Cubs Are On Their Way!!

by DenverCub on Sep 5, 2007 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

So... this begs to be asked.
We can't win big games in a virtual post-season at home in September.

How will we win any games in October... ummmm, if we even get there?

Does this team have any sense of urgency?

1-RUN GAMES = 19-20 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 37-35 | updated on 9/5

by SackMan on Sep 5, 2007 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

good question
How will we win any games in October... ummmm, if we even get there?

because it's baseball, anything can happen!

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Anything" hasn't = World Series
since 1945.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right
I've watched the same team as all of you this season and can tell you, it will only end badly.

by Mapmaker on Sep 5, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

We'll cross that bridge when we get there
Also, I doubt Traschel will be starting any playoff games.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me update that
In a playoff series, Marmol would have come in last night and he would have been rested.  Traschel wasn't the problem.  He had a quality start.  Wood getting hit was worrisome, but Ohman isn't going to see any playoff time if we can send out a fully rested Marmol, Wood, Howry, and even Marshall and Marquis/Hill.

Most important though, we'll cross that bridge if we get there.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last nights
game might fall under the old adage of sometimes you lose a battle to win the war.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who comes to the rescue
in the playoffs to help the Cubs score more than 2 runs?

This team's problem is not pitching.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

As usual...
THE REDHEAD!!

(I just thought it was time to give all the Murton-haters something to do today...have at it!)

Prince Fielder...he is neither.

by LAcarl519 on Sep 5, 2007 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would you
believe Neifi!
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Sep 5, 2007 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

That bridge
goes through Pittsburgh, Houston, and Cincy... all the crappy teams in our division that we somehow can't beat.

I swear... I just don't get it.

1-RUN GAMES = 19-20 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 37-35 | updated on 9/5

by SackMan on Sep 5, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you a troll?
A Cubs fan who doesn't pay attention?

A masochist?

Just dumb?

All four?

Right now we aren't losing to the Pirates, the Reds, or the Astros.  We just took two of three from the 'stros.  Our record against the Central is 31-28.  

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not a troll... I'm just pissed off
That we can't win when it counts!

And... in case you haven't noticed... and judging by your comments, you haven't...

We're:
6-6 vs Houston
4-5 vs Pittsburgh
5-7 vs Cincy

Plus, we're 0-3 vs Florida (who we play down the stretch)

That's bad, bad, bad against a group of teams that are a combined 66 games under .500

1-RUN GAMES = 19-20 | EXTRA INNINGS = 2-7 | HOME = 37-35 | updated on 9/5

by SackMan on Sep 5, 2007 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can't manage to beat them
But yet we are .500 against HOU, one game under .500 vs. PIT, and two games under .500 vs. CIN and a good amount of those games came in April and May when Lou was still trying to figure out what he had.  Should we be better against those teams?  Yes.  Does this mean this Cubs team isn't one of the best teams in MLB history?  Yes.

I'm not going to get mad because the Cubs are three games under .500 against these teams in part because it means they are six games over .500 when it comes to playing the Cards and the Brewers!  I'm sure that if the situation was reveresed you would come on and say "Why can't they beat winning teams?"

I'm not worried that they got swept against the Marlins in April/May.  Both teams were different teams back then.  

Really at this point, it doesn't matter what the Cubs did two, three months ago.  We have 26 days left and a 1/2 game lead.  Enjoy the ride!

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

good gawd!
if the cubs beat-up on the teams that they are supposedly better than, as all good teams do, they wouldn't be clinging, for dear life, to 1st place!

again, with all due respect, your rationalizations are devoid of merit.

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

addendum
...but at least they are in 1st place!
"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

With all due respect
What the hell are you talking about?

"your rationalizations are devoid of merit."

     Please explain.  Go ahead and call me an idiot, but don't just label what I have to say as not having merit unless you can't explain it.

ESPECIALLY when you and I agree on the same friggin' thing!

"AT LEAST THEY ARE IN FIRST PLACE!"

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

not gonna do that...
...call you an idiot, that is.

what i'm referring to is this:

"I'm not going to get mad because the Cubs are three games under .500 against these teams in part because it means they are six games over .500 when it comes to playing the Cards and the Brewers!"

"If you'da been thinkin you wouldn't 'a thought that." ~~ "Squints" Palledorous

by rm463 on Sep 5, 2007 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's what I mean:
The Cubs are 31-28 against Central Division teams.

If these records are right:

6-6 vs Houston
4-5 vs Pittsburgh
5-7 vs Cincy

Then we have to be a combined 16-10 against the Cards and Brewers.

I'm happy they can beat the Cards and the Brewers.  They need to pick it up against the other central teams, true.  They have a great shot at that this month.  Until they finish the season with losing records against the bad central teams, I don't care.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Geez
This place is becoming hopeless pretty quickly.

What do you all do when you face REAL adversity?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I usually just
blame George Bush and watch "THE VIEW". That seems to help most of the time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL
OK, santo, that was a good one ...

by Not Bruce Froemming on Sep 5, 2007 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest
The problems with the Cubs are deeper than players and "luck." This organization has been pathetic for nearly a century. Name another professional athletic organization that even comes close in futility. Look at your own comments on this post: "Well, if we can just hang in there over the weekend," or "with a little luck," or "I hat e to be a doom and gloom but unless the Cubs do ___, we are in trouble."

The reason we are skeptical is that they are the Cubs, the poster child of athletic futility.

My hope is in new ownership (and I hope that doesn't fall through), because the entire organization needs new leadership and new goals. I simply will not believe in this team, as a championship contender as long as they continue to perform as "lovable losers." The only time they haven't is during June and July, which isn't remarkable because they have done that many times before, with the same result - heartache for their fans.

Therefore, yes I want the team to win! Yes, I want to see a competitive team on the field. Yes, I want a pennant. And, yes, I want a World Series. In fact, if they ever do win the pennant, and a World Series, I, along with Cub fans across the country will celebrate with tears of joy.

However, it has not happened, and they are performing as "Cubs" right now. Could they turn it around and win the division? I have already said no prior to this thread. Nevertheless, if they somehow did, I would be not only pleasantly shocked, but there would be realistic hope that the culture of losing has a legitimate chance of coming to an end.  

I loved it when Harry cried, "Cubs Win, Cubs Win!"

by Ken Hubbs on Sep 5, 2007 3:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER
I would bawl like a baby if the Cubbies ever won it all.

by Mapmaker on Sep 5, 2007 3:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Offense
The Cubs over the last nine seasons simply haven't scored enough runs and this year is no different.  Considering they play in a good hitters park, one would expect a decent Cubs offense to rank in the top half of the league.  But they currently rank 9th in runs scored.  Since 1998 (the last year they had a decent offense), they've only ranked in the top half of the league twice, and just barely: they were 7th in 2001 and 7th in 2004.

I believe that is directly attributable to the Cubs inability to develop decent position players as well as an organizational philosophy that overvalues "toolsy" players and undervalues guys who get on base and guys who are fundamentally sound (i.e. guys who run the bases properly).  Over the last 10 years I think it's safe to say that the Cubs are among the worst baserunning teams in the league.

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

100% true
You are right.  The Cubs have not produced a quality position player in years.  Theriot's been good this year, but he could slump next year.  Murton... well, let's not get into that.  Lee, Ramirez, Kendall traded for.  Soriano, De Rosa, Floyd, Jones, Ward free agents.

What do you suggest the Cubs do about that though?  Should we forfeit the season in exchange for some organizational help on developing plays?  Seriously, what can fans do to change that?

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

We could stop accepting
the same tired MO from the same tired MOFO's who run the team. Of course that would mean Wrigley wouldn't  sellout many games during a 78-84 season, and since nothing like that will EVER happen, I can only hope new ownership is more interested in WINNING than BEING COMPETITIVE.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what happened last year
Games toward the end of the season stopped selling out and they went out, and made good signings.  Also, we would be nowhere without Theriot, Fontenot, and even Pie has helped out.  Not to mention Zambrano, Marshall, and Hill have been in-house.  

Bottom line, agreed.  Hope new ownership wants to win!

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I won't go so far...
as to attribute the Soriano contract and Lily deal with the attendance drop off last year. My feeling is that those big pickups were more to do with the pending sell of the franchise than ownership afraid of the fanbase turning it's back on the team. They knew they wanted to sell the team well before the end of the season. They went out to create the 'buzz' and put some marketability back on the team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No much
fans can do, I don't think.  It was just an observation and I guess also an expression of frustration.  If the Cubs don't make the playoffs this season it won't be because of the pitching.  It'll be because of the offense, which has been consistently bad since the Bulls stopped winning championships.  

by cubsbak on Sep 5, 2007 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Win tonight
If they win tonight thatll calm us all down.  GO CUBS
Hey.....Cubs win!!!

by Hammer on Sep 5, 2007 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree with many that
it is frustrating at times. We have had opportunities to stretch out our lead this season. None of us has ever experienced the Cubs winning a world series. I get frustrated, pissed off, angry at this team at times. But, and I have said it before as have others, this is the way the rest of the season is going to go, not only for the Cubs, but for the Central division. Nobody is good enough to really assert themselves and put it away. I think 83-79 will win this division. I'm not convinced that the Cubs will be that team but I sure as hell hope that they are. I do believe that if we can hang on and win this thing, even if we do it in ugly fashion, anything can happen in the post season. People attack each other here, but in reality we all want the same thing. People have different personalities and respond to things differently. Yes, it is annoying when the season is declared over while we are still in first place. It's also annoying when people constantly bitch about the bitchers. So what? Who ever promised you that life wouldn't ever be annoying? The bottom line is that this team has a chance to win this division and I'll take that right now. I would like to think we can all agree on that.

by qccub on Sep 5, 2007 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm just curious
But why "It's also annoying when people constantly bitch about the bitchers. So what? Who ever promised you that life wouldn't ever be annoying?" does that apply to the people that bitch about the bitchers, but not the bitchers themselves?

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

My point was
everyone will find someone or something annoying here. I personally don't care what anyone posts. I may argue a point once in awhile, but I'm not going to beat something to death. If I don't like it so what? To each his own I guess. Also reread my post, I did make reference to the bitchers being annoying at times as well (declaring the season over).

by qccub on Sep 5, 2007 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I truly don't care...
if we back into the playoffs. I'll be elated! But if we do a San Diego and get trounced out in the first round without so much as a whimper, I WON'T be surprised.

You see, the joy of pessimism is...either your always right, or pleasantly surprised.  

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Sep 5, 2007 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Perhaps you've changed me
"You see, the joy of pessimism is...either your always right, or pleasantly surprised."

That doesn't sound too bad.

by IllinoisCubs on Sep 5, 2007 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

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