Open Thread: Cubs vs. Giants at Scottsdale, Thursday 2/28, 2:05 CT
Play Ball!

At last, time for baseball! Before a couple of particulars about today's contest, a few notes:
- The naming rights "controversy" (and I put that in quotes because nothing's happening yet and isn't likely to for a while) has reared its ugly head again. Jay Mariotti suddenly decides this is all-important. Yeah, right, Jay. Go away; this ain't your soapbox. Will the Wrigley Company buy the rights? Well, they'll probably be asked, if they haven't been already. The Sun-Times put this on their front page today.
- And, I got quoted in USA Today on the subject. Try to ignore the writing about the individual quoted right after me.
- Further to the subject of naming rights, 44th Ward Alderman Tom Tunney says the Cubs have put "everything" back on the table, including the idea of more night games and more concerts at Wrigley, with the possibility of concerts even this summer (question: on that brand-new field?).
- There's a long and interesting feature article on Len Kasper in today's Tribune Tempo section -- featuring the photo in that link in a MUCH larger size.
Ryan Theriot, ss
Ronny Cedeno, 3b
Kosuke Fukudome, rf
Derrek Lee, 1b
Matt Murton, lf
Geovany Soto, c
Alex Cintron, 2b
Felix Pie, cf
Ryan Dempster, p
Which should worry no one; Aramis Ramirez and Alfonso Soriano are simply being given an extra day to continue to make sure that their injuries from last year are completely healed.
The game can be heard on WGN radio in Chicago, KNBR in the Bay Area, and at the MLB.com Mediacenter. No, they're not giving any ST games away free this year. So, if you can't access any of those, here is today's MLB.com Gameday link.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Anyone who runs up Camelback
by TC Cubby on Feb 28, 2008 9:08 AM CST 0 recs
I walk up Camelback and Squaw Peak
by BigJohnAZ on
Feb 28, 2008 3:01 PM CST
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I was waiting since
Last year, ST games were given to subscribers of the previous season's MLB audio/tv, so I hope they do that again this year.
by JohnM on
Feb 28, 2008 9:18 AM CST
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MLB audio
by TC Cubby on
Feb 28, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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MLB TV/Audio
The longer I can put off resubscribing the better; I want to know whether or not this change to their archive service is true first.
Regardless, we've got honest-to-goodness baseball today at last.
by Ayralin on
Feb 28, 2008 10:10 AM CST
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First pitch count down..
by sdurst on
Feb 28, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Cubs WOO! Cubs WOO!
by Orval Overall on Feb 28, 2008 9:14 AM CST 0 recs
AAAAAUUUUUGGGGHH!!!
I had no idea the writer was going to talk to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named when I spoke to him yesterday. If I had, I'd have recommended ... well, basically, any other living human being.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 9:15 AM CST
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Tale of the Tape
hewhoshallnotbenamed's words: 23
Al! WOO! Al! WOO! Al! WOO!
I can only imagine what rambled out of hewhoshallnotbenamed's mouth during that ellipsis
by TC Cubby on
Feb 28, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Interesting
by WittyUserName on
Feb 28, 2008 11:45 AM CST
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re: Cubs WOO! Cubs WOO!
by dat cubfan daver on
Feb 28, 2008 10:08 AM CST
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Spring is here!!!
by Mordecai on Feb 28, 2008 9:19 AM CST 0 recs
Happy Day
by Madison Cub Fan on
Feb 28, 2008 10:35 AM CST
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I moved to AZ from Chicago in 2000
Go Cubs Go!!!
AND IT'S GOING TO BE 82° TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by BigJohnAZ on
Feb 28, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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For those with XM Radio...
by Al on Feb 28, 2008 9:20 AM CST 0 recs
I dont have a radio here at the office yet.
by mike on Feb 28, 2008 9:23 AM CST 0 recs
MLB audio
by TC Cubby on
Feb 28, 2008 9:26 AM CST
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"once the season starts"
At any rate I agree - it's a pretty good bargain if you think you might use it for half a dozen games -- or 162.
by JohnM on
Feb 28, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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start of broadcast
For those of us outside of WGN range and who have to work in the afternoon, nothing beats it.
by TC Cubby on
Feb 28, 2008 9:39 AM CST
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Ram and Fonz
That doesn't make much sense. Like one more day is going to make a difference. Why not just say it like it is....they want to see more of Cedeno and Murton. Dare I say "exhibiting" either of them?
by Neifi Puppy on Feb 28, 2008 9:24 AM CST 0 recs
Yeah, that too.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 9:26 AM CST
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Ramirez and Soriano
Maybe I'm an alarmist. But it is frustrating that neither of them has really been able to get fully healthy during their time on the Cubs. Seems like Ramirez has played hurt ever since he arrived.
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:42 AM CST
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Danimal...
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 10:00 AM CST
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OK
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 10:16 AM CST
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Murton.
by bolson1076 on
Feb 28, 2008 10:13 AM CST
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Daryle Ward plays outfield...
Eric Patterson may also have a shot at making the team as a backup OF.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 10:15 AM CST
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Patterson
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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Another reason
by JohnM on
Feb 28, 2008 10:17 AM CST
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Finally!!
by McRipper on Feb 28, 2008 9:38 AM CST 0 recs
Or, as Casey Stengel once said:
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:45 AM CST
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I can't believe the poll quoted in the article
Thats gotta be BS.
Maybe people are saying that trying to influence the decisions, but I'm sure "Wrigley" would still be pull in 3 million fans a year.
by El Borto on Feb 28, 2008 9:46 AM CST 0 recs
Remember...
You're right, that's absurd. As I've said here many times, changing the name of the park would not in any way change my experience of going to a game. I told the USA Today guy yesterday that walking into the "Bud Light Bleachers" doesn't suddenly make me want to drink that swill. Going to a Bulls or Blackhawks game doesn't suddenly make me want to fly United Airlines; going to a Wolves game doesn't make me want to buy Allstate insurance. These things fall on deaf ears with me. I just don't care.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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hooray!
If 53% of readers won't go to the field if the name changes, does that mean that there will be more season tickets available?
by drewishdrewid on Feb 28, 2008 9:59 AM CST 0 recs
And so how are the Cubs any different...
Not only do the Cubs want the taxpayers of Illinois to assume the risk of the construction cost of Wrigley/Old Style Stadium so that they can line their pockets at taxpayers' expense, but now everything is on the table, apparently. There aren't any good guys here, but plenty of greedy ones.
by DudeVf11 on Feb 28, 2008 10:01 AM CST 0 recs
The greedy rooftop owner...
The naming rights -- that's their right to do so. Other things are subject to negotiations.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 10:14 AM CST
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That picture of Len is hilarious.
by sparkles721 on Feb 28, 2008 10:07 AM CST 0 recs
To show how rockin' he can be
by JohnM on
Feb 28, 2008 10:12 AM CST
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4hrs to flight time...
by blackhawk24 on Feb 28, 2008 10:16 AM CST 0 recs
Yay!!!
by Sarah Hope on Feb 28, 2008 10:26 AM CST 0 recs
Question for today's game
Oh, yeah, higher uniform numbers.
And Aaron Rowand.
by mlf on Feb 28, 2008 10:30 AM CST 0 recs
This naming rights thing is making me seriously
What a crappy way to introduce oneself as a new owner. I'm going to destroy any charm you've held onto for all this time piece by piece. It's a giant F-U. It starts with the naming rights and then it becomes a very slippery slope. I'm a Wisconsin native, but a Cubs fan BECAUSE OF Wrigley field. I enjoy attending Cubs games NOT because of the team, players, city, WGN, but only BECAUSE OF Wrigley Field. Without Wrigley Field I will not care about the crappy team anymore. I swear the Ivy and scoreboard are coming down next. Hell, he'll probably want to change the Cubs logo and uniforms as well in a misguided attempt at marketability. I swear just because of some mild recent success, people think it's all about winning and want to sell out just for the sake of it. I'll say it again: if the Cubs make the WS in 2009 playing in the Cell, I will be rooting for the other team. It cannot happen that way. I went to the Metrodome in 1987 and thought the experience was crappy despite the WS team that played there. And their fans lost interest a few years later because the stadium is generic and the team went back to sucking. Exact same thing with the White Sox. Somebody needs to gather the citizens of Wrigleyville (soon to be known as 3com-ville) and protest long and loud until this creep Zell begins to understand what a pariah he will become after he ruins our cherished institution.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM CST 0 recs
You're missing the point.
Second, I'm with you on attending games at Wrigley -- I love it there. What difference does it make what the name of it is? It's still the same place! Will you call it by its corporate name? I'm sure you won't and neither will I.
I think you're getting worked up over nothing.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:15 AM CST
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I'm saying it's a slippery slope...
by Jerry Mumphrey on
Feb 28, 2008 11:41 AM CST
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How on Earth...
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:50 AM CST
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Agreed
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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I meant I agreed with Al's post, by the way
by danimal15 on
Feb 28, 2008 11:42 AM CST
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I really don't think it's that big of a stretch...
by Jerry Mumphrey on
Feb 28, 2008 1:00 PM CST
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What you're failing to recognize is...
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 1:14 PM CST
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Woooo - Whooo!
by Lou In Blue on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM CST 0 recs
Play Ball! - One of the most beautiful phrases...
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Feb 28, 2008 10:47 AM CST 0 recs
lol....agreed
by bolson1076 on
Feb 28, 2008 10:49 AM CST
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Hear Hear!
Although, now you've got me thinking about the other phrases...Darn you, MVET!!
by Tangled Up In Blue on
Feb 28, 2008 10:53 AM CST
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Perfect Baseball Weather
by gewurztraminer on Feb 28, 2008 10:55 AM CST 0 recs
Cubs Club Members have to wait
by TkGoUWGB on Feb 28, 2008 10:57 AM CST 0 recs
What are we wearing today?
by Lou In Blue on Feb 28, 2008 11:01 AM CST 0 recs
I personally
by TkGoUWGB on
Feb 28, 2008 2:17 PM CST
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MLB is terrible
Also, why wouldn't a potential ownership group want to buy Wrigley Field? Why would it be an advantage to have someone else "control" your stadium. If I were a potential buyer of the Cubs, I would want the stadium packaged in. Why would it be worth more to sell them seperate? That just doesn't make sense to me.
by bp on Feb 28, 2008 11:02 AM CST 0 recs
The Zell...
Second, Zell didn't buy the Cubs. He bought the company that owns the Cubs, so MLB had no say in that matter.
Third, yes, the ballpark was named to honor William Wrigley Sr. (not Jr.) I'm guessing that any company that buys naming rights would keep the name "Wrigley Field" as part of the name, to honor the tradition.
Finally, there would be financial advantages even if the SAME owner bought both the park and the team in separate transactions -- tax advantages, you own the park and lease it to the company that owns the team.
I think people are getting far too worked up over this. Not a thing has changed -- yet.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:18 AM CST
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Zell Is Still An Ass.....
by BeerCub on
Feb 28, 2008 11:26 AM CST
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I don't disagree with any of this.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:51 AM CST
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It's not like people even think about gum
by Mordecai on
Feb 28, 2008 11:58 AM CST
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Zell etc
I thought the same thing about Jr./Sr. but according to the Cubs website, "the park became known as Cubs Park in 1920 after the Wrigley family purchased the team from Weeghman ... it was named Wrigley Field in 1926 in honor of William Wrigley Jr., the club's owner." Maybe we need to send them a correction?
I guess I shouldn't be getting worked up over just the name... however, don't you think it will be just as easy to install a Jumbotron and get rid of the manual scoreboard? Do you think we'll still be looking at ivy in the outfield? If this is the beginning of these terrible changes, then we can be upset. If none of these things eventually happen, and our park remains the park that we love it to be, then I'm fine with it.
by bp on
Feb 28, 2008 11:53 AM CST
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William Wrigley Jr.
Anyway, no, they can't get rid of the scoreboard and ivy -- those are landmarked. I don't see those things changing "as easily", nor do I think anyone would WANT them changed.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 12:40 PM CST
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Best Lou Quote So Far This Year
Maybe he meant rambunctious?
''No, Rambo-ian,'' he said. ''Like Rambo. We'll invent a word, what the hell.''
by Mordecai on Feb 28, 2008 11:06 AM CST 0 recs
noah lowry
by kylejo on Feb 28, 2008 11:12 AM CST 0 recs
Fortunately...
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:21 AM CST
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Was Al misinterpreted?
In my opinion, there'd be about 20 minutes of outrage if the name changed and then it would be back to normal.
But, of course, a fair portrait of this would be difficult as, since we all know, all Cub woes can be attributed to a goat.
by NO100 on Feb 28, 2008 11:20 AM CST 0 recs
The article...
Obviously, as happens many times with newspaper articles, the headline writer didn't bother to read the entire content of the article.
by Al on
Feb 28, 2008 11:23 AM CST
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Don't expect to see Vizquel today...
Also, as if any of us need a reason to feel better today given the return of Cubbie blue to the diamond, check out this Gerry Fraley article from yesterday's Sporting News. In short, let's hope Square D is on its game, because Fraley's expecting a power surge at Wrigley this summer.
by dat cubfan daver on Feb 28, 2008 11:27 AM CST 0 recs
Interesting notes...
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Feb 28, 2008 12:42 PM CST
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