Open Thread: Cubs vs. Giants at Mesa, Friday 2/29, 2:05 CT
It's Leap Day! Spring training day-by-day records don't go back far enough for me to find this for certain -- but I believe this is the first time the Cubs have ever played a game on February 29. (If anyone has any evidence of any previous 2/29 Cub game, please post it. They didn't in 2000 or 2004.)
By Sunday, I think we're all going to be sick of the Giants, because the Cubs will have played them three of the first four exhibition games. (This may lead to a record of at least 3-1, since as we learned yesterday, the Giants are just not a very good baseball team in 2008.)
Carlos Zambrano makes his spring debut for the Cubs; he will be facing Giants' lefthander Jonathan Sanchez. The lineup, courtesy of Bruce Miles, is as follows:
Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Fukudome, RF
Lee, 1B
Fontenot, 2B
Pie, CF
Cintron, 3B
Blanco, C
Zambrano, P
(You may well ask "Where's Aramis Ramirez?" And the answer is, "I have no idea.")
From this cubs.com notes column, we learn that Sean Gallagher lost 30 pounds in the offseason, following the same diet that helped Kerry Wood and Geovany Soto get in shape. The company that provides the diet plans and meals is called Sunfare; at the moment their service is only in the Phoenix and Los Angeles areas. It looks interesting (but pricey).
There is no broadcast coverage of today's game -- no Cubs, no Giants, no mlb.com -- so all of us will be hanging on the updates on MLB.com Gameday. Let's hope it does a better job of keeping up than it did in the early innings yesterday. In case you want to listen to any other games, here is today's MLB.com Mediacenter link.
My comments yesterday in USA Today got a mention today in King Kaufman's sports column at salon.com today, and I agree 100% with his statement:
So let whoever buys naming rights to Wrigley have their introductory press conferences, their unveilings and their tented soirees at the ballpark. It won't matter.
The marketers, with their numbers and charts, will say advertising always wins. Not here. Not in this place. If Tribune Co. boss Sam Zell can snooker somebody into paying money for a Wrigley name alteration, good for him. But it always will be Wrigley.
I've become a realist on these matters. Yes, it stinks that history goes to the highest bidder. But that ship has sailed. Everything is for sale, even Wrigley. Ads for Under Armour on the outfield walls did not desecrate the temple, nor did ads behind home plate.
As I have said many times: "Loud, sustained applause!!" The ballpark will always be "Wrigley". No corporate name in the world can or will change that.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I don't see why people shouldn't still bitch...
by Jerry Mumphrey on Feb 29, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions
You still haven't...
You seem to care greatly. Why?
It will still be 'Wrigley'
Kids growing up, and the next generations of Cubs fans won't grow up calling it Wrigley. Today's fans will call it Wrigley come hell or high water, but next generation fans will tilt their head and correct us with it's new name.
Wrigley Field is such a sacred place, I don't know how people can't get, at least mildly, upset at the idea of more advertising and changing the name. Some things are more important than money, tradition and links to the past are fine examples.
People say that 'Who cares where they play, I just want to see the Cubs win!' have a point. But Wrigley is as much a part of what makes the Cubs so special as anything else. The Cubs by any other name are still the Cubs, but part of what makes this team special is the fact that they have been at Clark and Addison, in the same park, forever.
And I also think it's naive to assume that any significant percentage of revenue generated via naming rights will go back into Cubs payroll. It's not like the team is selling the name, Zell is selling it before he sells off the assets.
by WittyUserName on Feb 29, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
No, the next generation won't do that...
I like tradition as much as anyone. But I am also realistic about the way the game is today. It's more about money than it ever was.
Wrigley Field, if things are done right, isn't going anywhere, and will, with proper renovation, last for generations to come. That's the important thing to me, not what name is plastered on the front of it. You say:
"part of what makes this team special is the fact that they have been at Clark and Addison, in the same park, forever."
Absolutely true (although it's not quite "forever", it's just "since 1916). And again, if they do this right, the team WON'T go anywhere.
No one's suggesting this money is going into payroll, either. If the deal is done right, it can go into the needed renovations.
No, there will be a trickledown effect.
by buckmulligan on Feb 29, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
as will I. Plus, there's always the twins.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
They only made $3.6B in 2004
I highly doubt it
Would I rather change the name in order to keep the field? Yes of course I would. But since when is it suddenly necessary to sell the name in order to come up with money to maintain Wrigley? The Cubs, as an organization, have huge revenue generating power. I refuse to believe that selling the name is the only way to come up with the funds for the upkeep of the field.
The game, and the world, is certainly more about money than it ever was. But that is also was makes the old parks so special. While the world grows and changes around them (and even manages to creep into the park), the park themselves are fundamentally the same.
Sure, a name is just a name, and the field will still be the same. But I don't see it as a scenario where they change the name and stop there. I see this is a first step into slowly but surely modernizing the park (which isn't all bad by the way). But I can see a jumbotron in the near future.
by WittyUserName on Feb 29, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
before getting upset
so far it appears that zell is looking to fill his pockets and to hell with the cubs, i hope i'm wrong.
by wheatfield mike on Feb 29, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions
You're exactly right.
- Pay off debt load.
- Cut expenses.
- Raise ad revenue.
I am shocked . . .
But that's not what Morrissey was saying...
A boycott? You seriously think that would stop any company from buying naming rights? Think again.
As I keep saying: It doesn't matter and I don't care. I will always call it Wrigley. And so will you.
OK . . .
"If Red Bull were to slap its name on the historic marquee at Clark and Addison, Cubs fans would stop gulping down the energy drink. The result would be similar if Gatorade or Mutual of Omaha or Donald Trump tried to make the same sort of splash. Any interloper would suffer in the marketplace."
Companies market to get name recognition so that the bottom line profits. I do think that if a company knew or thought that their bottom line would be affected by a particular type of advertising, they would shy away from it.
I just doubt...
Besides...
And those are just the position players.
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
In fairness...
Shouldn't we be a little nervous that
I do care what happens to the park and want the Cubs to play on that site throughout my lifetime and the park, however upgraded, to retain the charm and historic feel. It is poossible for something to be rebuilt and feel the same. While soldier field is a poor example, Wrigley could be redone section by section, like the bleachers were done, and retain the ambiance. That said, they can fix the ambiance in the concourse under the stands and add as many restrooms as they want.
As for the name, I don't have to like it, and I hope, but doubt, money from the naming rights would benefit new ownership and add to the product on the field. My negative opinion of Mr. Zell has me expecting that he will let the Tribune pocket the naming proceeds and saddle the new owner with the name and no cash.
Sore shoulder . . .
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/819559,earlycub022908.article
Bruce Levine confirms this
Another sidenote, again compliments of Bruce... Lou says Fontenot will gets lots of time at shortstop and third base. Has him working with Trammel at these other positions.
I'll try not to worry
All that Cock Fighting training...
If Zell believed
The man is a complete jackass.
That
by Josh Timmers on Feb 29, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
I dont care what they name it...

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 11:11 AM CST reply actions
Sun-Times Park
Giants split squad...
Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium
So whatever official name is given to Wrigley it will always be Wrigley if that is what the fans call it.
Ah, welcome to spring training...
OK, I feel a little better. I have no faith in Gameday at this point, but I'm sure I'll give it a shot.
It doesn't matter what we (the fans) call it
They only care that the new name gets referenced on all the radio/tv broadcasts, newscasts, SportsCenter, and in all the 'official' print and internet media.
Now for those of us popping a Zell Miller-like forehead vein in an apoplectic rage over the naming rights issue, if you want to have an impact on all this, figure out a way to get the MSM to still call it Wrigley. Then you will have accomplished something.
It's a smokescreen.
Zell is breaking up the Cubs for parts. He'll sell naming rights to someone, the park to someone else, and the team to someone else still. The new owner is going to have almost no revenue streams to start off with - the State of Illinois or whoever else is going to get the park's revenue, the team's already got sweetheart broadcast deals with the Tribune, and naming rights will belong to someone else.
This is going to seriously hurt the ability of the team to increase payroll in years to come. That bothers me a lot more than "Preparation H Field" or whatever ludicrous doomdsay scenarios they're coming up with on WSCR.
The way I read the naming rights sale...
Whenever the Cubs are on National TV
No big deal.
Like this?
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
precisely
and santos
If that's the case...
Zell needs cash now to pay off Tribune's massive debt load. Remember - Tribune Co. is nearing junk-bond ratings for its debt financing.
You ever been watching TV and you see those ads where they offer to buy your annuities off you? "It's my money, and I need it now!"
That's how Zell views the Cubs right now. He is breaking it apart and selling it for parts. Everything must go.
That's likely wrong..
And actually (cwyers) much of Tribune debt is below junk right now. Their subordinate stuff was at 70 and heading down last I checked. Crazy. You're looking at 20, 25% YTM and you can't give it away. Most think Zell can get them thru the next year, but that's about it.
by Damen Jackson on Feb 29, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
naming.....
However I did just read this column that was written and in todays paper here in denver and atleast does make a valid point the other way....
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/29/linicome-wrigley-field-isnt-some-widget/
by bolson1076 on Feb 29, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
It's Cubs speak...
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions
damn profit motive
Actually...
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
agreed....
by bolson1076 on Feb 29, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
What's in a name?
So there is really not much point in getting upset about this.
Rain Delay?
re: Rain Delay?
Never mind...
re: Never mind...
More specifically...
Gameday was slow yesterday too.
Well...
REALLY makes me want to RUN out and sign up for MLB.TV
...not...
Seriously...
Sheesh!
That wouldn't help you today.
Maybe
re: Maybe
Human rain delay indeed!
SF 1 Cubs 2
Well, this helps at least!
Yahoo...
re: Yahoo...
Yup...
by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Soriano walked!
re: Soriano walked!
HAHAHA!
by TheEman on Feb 29, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions
Theriot struck out, and then...
And then...
And then...
Fukudome
A repeat this year would be sweet.
Soriano walked
Gameday may be speeding up...
Apparently...
...must...fight...the...fist...of...death...to...the...screen...
Grrrrrrr......
Fukudome....
AVG 1.000
OBP 1.000
SLG 1.000
OPS 2.00!!
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions
Yahoo says...
Fonty...
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions
Pitching change for the Giants
SF pitcher is Matt Palmer...
According to Gameday...
I heard...
by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
re: I heard...
I think I've passed kidney stones...
Z is a switch hitter???
"Carlos Zambrano turns around to bat right-handed."
What ELSE can he do? Plays first base, switch hits... maybe HE's the supersub! Can DeRosa pitch?
Z's batting split stats
vs. LHP as RH .243/.257/.411 - 5 career HR's
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=zambrca01
D'oh! Per Yahoo, Giants scored again.
Giants scored 1 run in the top of the 3rd.
Rich Hill
he did ok
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Has anyone read about...
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions
Based on my experience today...
Looks like Dome...
Or he tried to throw out the baserunner
Looks like another 15 minute at bat
Makes Mike Hargrove look like Speedy Gonzalez...
Cubs score, 4-2 Cubs, per Yahoo!
You and I really should...
Alright, next one's mine...
Cubs get one in the 3rd...
lots of walks?
He's a great base clogger
Dusty's bases in Cincy...
Darn Pie!!!
(according to gameday)
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions
And he put the ball in play.
Wait, i'll reserve judgement
I'll give Pie a pass.... FOR NOW.
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions
Glad to hear...
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Give him a pass for what?
Ha!
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
If the pitcher knows that you're not...
It's not as simple as "take the ball every time." Especially if it was a strike and he knew it was a strike - why take a strike just because the last guy got four balls?
Spring training...
I am also aware of what Pie did in the bigs last year and what the Cubs asked him to do in the off-season (which was become more patient, and work the bunt for an infied single).
Now in spring training, maybe I shouldn't be looking for that type of play. However, during the season if you want your 8 hitter swinging away against a pitcher who couldn't get the ball over the plate, then that's not very good. If it was your 3 or 4 hitter, then of course green light it... That's all I'm saying.
by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
Some people...
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe the PA announcer
Fukudome....
PA 5
BB 3
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions
Dome
I can hear Dusty's voice...
"Come on Fu-koo-dude...swing the stick man."
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions
Hill seems to have settled.
Bottom of 4th...
JD Closser in da house!
I guess spring training is also a time MLB trains
It would be a plausible explanation for the glacier-like speed and maddeningly inconsistent flow of information...
Another explanation is...
True. Dial up
Gameday isn't even supposed to be available.
Gameday is free.
How does it compare to ESPN's Gamecast
Dunno.
if it's not supposed to be available
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Because they use the data set for...
4-3 Cubs, middle of the 5th, per Yahoo
oh, no!
Wow, Juan Mateo is pitching...
well, he just gave up a home run...
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
Check This Out...
well,
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
meh.
by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
Mister Zero!
Mr. Sparkle?
by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions

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