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Open Thread: Cubs vs. Giants at Mesa, Friday 2/29, 2:05 CT

It's Leap Day! Spring training day-by-day records don't go back far enough for me to find this for certain -- but I believe this is the first time the Cubs have ever played a game on February 29. (If anyone has any evidence of any previous 2/29 Cub game, please post it. They didn't in 2000 or 2004.)

By Sunday, I think we're all going to be sick of the Giants, because the Cubs will have played them three of the first four exhibition games. (This may lead to a record of at least 3-1, since as we learned yesterday, the Giants are just not a very good baseball team in 2008.)

Carlos Zambrano makes his spring debut for the Cubs; he will be facing Giants' lefthander Jonathan Sanchez. The lineup, courtesy of Bruce Miles, is as follows:

Soriano, LF
Theriot, SS
Fukudome, RF
Lee, 1B
Fontenot, 2B
Pie, CF
Cintron, 3B
Blanco, C
Zambrano, P

(You may well ask "Where's Aramis Ramirez?" And the answer is, "I have no idea.")

From this cubs.com notes column, we learn that Sean Gallagher lost 30 pounds in the offseason, following the same diet that helped Kerry Wood and Geovany Soto get in shape. The company that provides the diet plans and meals is called Sunfare; at the moment their service is only in the Phoenix and Los Angeles areas. It looks interesting (but pricey).

There is no broadcast coverage of today's game -- no Cubs, no Giants, no mlb.com -- so all of us will be hanging on the updates on MLB.com Gameday. Let's hope it does a better job of keeping up than it did in the early innings yesterday. In case you want to listen to any other games, here is today's MLB.com Mediacenter link.

My comments yesterday in USA Today got a mention today in King Kaufman's sports column at salon.com today, and I agree 100% with his statement:

Let 'em call Wrigley Field whatever they want and cash their checks. The rest of us can call it whatever we want. I'm through getting upset about ballpark names.
And similarly, I don't often agree with Rick Morrissey's Tribune columns. But today, he hit the nail on the proverbial head with this one about the Wrigley naming rights brouhaha:
A dumb corporation will believe fans eventually will come around to a name change. My money is on a dumb corporation buying naming rights.

So let whoever buys naming rights to Wrigley have their introductory press conferences, their unveilings and their tented soirees at the ballpark. It won't matter.

The marketers, with their numbers and charts, will say advertising always wins. Not here. Not in this place. If Tribune Co. boss Sam Zell can snooker somebody into paying money for a Wrigley name alteration, good for him. But it always will be Wrigley.

I've become a realist on these matters. Yes, it stinks that history goes to the highest bidder. But that ship has sailed. Everything is for sale, even Wrigley. Ads for Under Armour on the outfield walls did not desecrate the temple, nor did ads behind home plate.

As I have said many times: "Loud, sustained applause!!" The ballpark will always be "Wrigley". No corporate name in the world can or will change that.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Until they tear it down, brick by brick, beam by beam, it will always be Wrigley.  If naming rights are worth what some think they are, then we could use a shortstop, and deal with a few signs that we ignore.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -Casey Stengel

by cubbybear on Feb 29, 2008 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

I don't see why people shouldn't still bitch...
about it.  They deserve an earful for selling it out.  That goes for the UA ads and all that follows.

by Jerry Mumphrey on Feb 29, 2008 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

You still haven't...
... given any REASON why you feel this way. The MSM columnists, and I, have given reasons why we just don't care.

You seem to care greatly. Why?

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

It will still be 'Wrigley'
This is true. But only in the eyes of today's Cubs fans.

Kids growing up, and the next generations of Cubs fans won't grow up calling it Wrigley. Today's fans will call it Wrigley come hell or high water, but next generation fans will tilt their head and correct us with it's new name.

Wrigley Field is such a sacred place, I don't know how people can't get, at least mildly, upset at the idea of more advertising and changing the name. Some things are more important than money, tradition and  links to the past are fine examples.

People say that 'Who cares where they play, I just want to see the Cubs win!' have a point. But Wrigley is as much a part of what makes the Cubs so special as anything else. The Cubs by any other name are still the Cubs, but part of what makes this team special is the fact that they have been at Clark and Addison, in the same park, forever.

And I also think it's naive to assume that any significant percentage of revenue generated via naming rights will go back into Cubs payroll. It's not like the team is selling the name, Zell is selling it before he sells off the assets.

by WittyUserName on Feb 29, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

No, the next generation won't do that...
.... because THIS generation will make sure that the proper name is passed on down.

I like tradition as much as anyone. But I am also realistic about the way the game is today. It's more about money than it ever was.

Wrigley Field, if things are done right, isn't going anywhere, and will, with proper renovation, last for generations to come. That's the important thing to me, not what name is plastered on the front of it. You say:

"part of what makes this team special is the fact that they have been at Clark and Addison, in the same park, forever."

Absolutely true (although it's not quite "forever", it's just "since 1916). And again, if they do this right, the team WON'T go anywhere.

No one's suggesting this money is going into payroll, either. If the deal is done right, it can go into the needed renovations.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

No, there will be a trickledown effect.
Now, I will say this, if the Wrigley gum company steps up and saves the day, I will become a devotee of juicy fruit.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Feb 29, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions  

as will I. Plus, there's always the twins.
Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

They only made $3.6B in 2004
So that would mean about a tenth of a year of revenue for them.  I would buy Altoids and LifeSavers for the rest of my life.
"Good pitching will always stop good hitting and vice-versa." -Casey Stengel

by cubbybear on Feb 29, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I highly doubt it
I really really REALLY don't think that in 10 years, that fathers will be as adamant in correcting their sons when they call it by the new corporate name. Sure for the first few years the will, but it's the same way that in several more years nobody is going to call The Cell 'Comiskey' or even 'New Comiskey'.

Would I rather change the name in order to keep the field? Yes of course I would. But since when is it suddenly necessary to sell the name in order to come up with money to maintain Wrigley? The Cubs, as an organization, have huge revenue generating power. I refuse to believe that selling the name is the only way to come up with the funds for the upkeep of the field.

The game, and the world, is certainly more about money than it ever was. But that is also was makes the old parks so special. While the world grows and changes around them (and even manages to creep into the park), the park themselves are fundamentally the same.

Sure, a name is just a name, and the field will still be the same. But I don't see it as a scenario where they change the name and stop there. I see this is a first step into slowly but surely modernizing the park (which isn't all bad by the way). But I can see a jumbotron in the near future.

by WittyUserName on Feb 29, 2008 3:24 PM CST up reply actions  

before getting upset
i want to know if they sell the naming rights, will the money go to zell in a one time purchase, or will the money be givin to new ownership. if the money goes to zell i'm totally against it. if the money is ongoing to new ownership, i would be leaning towards understanding.
so far it appears that zell is looking to fill his pockets and to hell with the cubs, i hope i'm wrong.
wheatfield mike down here in god's country

by wheatfield mike on Feb 29, 2008 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

You're exactly right.
Zell needs money with which to pay down Tribune's debt. In order to keep the company's credit rating from going into junk bond status, he needs to:
  • Pay off debt load.
  • Cut expenses.
  • Raise ad revenue.
Number three is being taken care of in the form of changes at the LA Times (basically, allowing ads for porn and strippers). Number one involves stripmining the Cubs for every nickle and dime. Not ONE CENT of the naming rights sale is going to anyone but Tribune debtholders.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I am shocked . . .
that I agree with Morrissey as well.  I know that I would boycott the products of any company that purchased naming rights to Wrigley.  That is probably the more effective way to ensure that the naming right will not be purchased.  Start a Cub fan outcry that the company's products will not be purchased.  That will discourage the naming rights sale more than any name calling or pleading of Zell.

by gwood on Feb 29, 2008 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

But that's not what Morrissey was saying...
... at all. He was saying it doesn't matter. And it doesn't.

A boycott? You seriously think that would stop any company from buying naming rights? Think again.

As I keep saying: It doesn't matter and I don't care. I will always call it Wrigley. And so will you.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

OK . . .
boycott may have been a strong word.  But he does suggest that Cub fans would stop purchasing the company's product.  

"If Red Bull were to slap its name on the historic marquee at Clark and Addison, Cubs fans would stop gulping down the energy drink. The result would be similar if Gatorade or Mutual of Omaha or Donald Trump tried to make the same sort of splash. Any interloper would suffer in the marketplace."

Companies market to get name recognition so that the bottom line profits.  I do think that if a company knew or thought that their bottom line would be affected by a particular type of advertising, they would shy away from it.

by gwood on Feb 29, 2008 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I just doubt...
... that any such "boycott", organized or not, would have any significant impact on any company's bottom line.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Besides...
if a boycott were to ever happen, it would have already been attempted as a protest to the horrible rosters put together by our illustrious GM's of the  late 90's early 00's. We paid actual money to Damon Buford, Willie Greene, Mickey Morandini , Ron Coomer and Gary Gaetti to play baseball.

And those are just the position players.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

In fairness...
... Mickey Morandini had a pretty good year in 1998.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

and ...
The Cubs won the Wild Card in 1998 and won 88 games in 2001.

The early and mid-1990s were worse.

by elgato on Feb 29, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Shouldn't we be a little nervous that
this outcry over the name will give cub fan naysayers ammunition that all the fans care about is the stadium?  I say this somewhat tongue in cheek as I doubt many drunken revelers spend time at BCB.

I do care what happens to the park and want the Cubs to play on that site throughout my lifetime and the park, however upgraded, to retain the charm and historic feel.  It is poossible for something to be rebuilt and feel the same.  While soldier field is a poor example, Wrigley could be redone section by section, like the bleachers were done, and retain the ambiance.  That said, they can fix the ambiance in the concourse under the stands and add as many restrooms as they want.

As for the name, I don't have to like it, and I hope, but doubt, money from the naming rights would benefit new ownership and add to the product on the field.  My negative opinion of Mr. Zell has me expecting that he will let the Tribune pocket the naming proceeds and saddle the new owner with the name and no cash.

by N Oakley on Feb 29, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

Bruce Levine confirms this
I heard Bruce on espn radio this morning talk about this.  Sore right (throwing) shoulder.  Cubs are saying "no big deal".  Not playing today.  Maybe tomorrow against Angels.

Another sidenote, again compliments of Bruce...  Lou says Fontenot will gets lots of time at shortstop and third base.  Has him working with Trammel at these other positions.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 29, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll try not to worry
But it would be nice if he could stay healthy, and this isn't a good sign.
"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau

by danimal15 on Feb 29, 2008 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

All that Cock Fighting training...
...Is hard on the shoulders.
An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Feb 29, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

It could be worse...
It could be called Zell Field.
Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 11:06 AM CST reply actions  

If Zell believed
he could make $400 mln by calling it Zell Field, that's what it would be called.

The man is a complete jackass.

"Hey hey - kiss it goodbye! That one's in Milwaukee! Man oh man did he hit it. Isn't that something?" - Lou Boudreau

by danimal15 on Feb 29, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

how about
US Zellular?

Did someone already make this horrible joke?  I hope not.

by Mr Snrub on Feb 29, 2008 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

That
is an insult to jackasses.
It's a girl! Born 1-18-08. 2246 PST. 8lbs. 1 oz.

by Josh Timmers on Feb 29, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I dont care what they name it...
it will always be Weegham Park to me! Now bring me my Cocoa!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 11:11 AM CST reply actions  

Sun-Times Park
The Trib chairman who would sell anything to anyone - would he sell the rights to Sun-Times Media Group, Inc., if the price was right?
Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Feb 29, 2008 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

Giants split squad...
...isn't that an oxymoron?  
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 29, 2008 11:30 AM CST reply actions  

Invesco Field at Mile High Stadium
When I lived in Denver for a few years it was during the time when Mile High Stadium was being rebuilt and being renamed. The uproar in Denver was just as bad as what is going on here at BCB. I didn't understand what the big deal was because I felt that the fans can just keep calling it Mile High Stadium and leave off the Invesco Field part and that is pretty much what ended up happening. I never heard any one call it Invesco Field.

So whatever official name is given to Wrigley it will always be Wrigley if that is what the fans call it.

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Feb 29, 2008 11:42 AM CST reply actions  

Ah, welcome to spring training...
...where the lack of (at least) radio coverage will drive...you...crazy! I mean, come on, it's not like Pat and Ron aren't already down there. Lure 'em into the booth with some Acapulco Taco Pies and fire up the mics. Who's gonna get hurt? And particularly when Big Z is on the mound...geez!

OK, I feel a little better. I have no faith in Gameday at this point, but I'm sure I'll give it a shot.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

It doesn't matter what we (the fans) call it
Whoever ends up buying the naming rights for Wrigley and slapping their name on it doesn't give a rat's ass whether or not the name rolls off the tongue of Al and Alice cub fan.

They only care that the new name gets referenced on all the radio/tv broadcasts, newscasts, SportsCenter, and in all the 'official' print and internet media.

Now for those of us popping a Zell Miller-like forehead vein in an apoplectic rage over the naming rights issue, if you want to have an impact on all this, figure out a way to get the MSM to still call it Wrigley.  Then you will have accomplished something.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Feb 29, 2008 11:56 AM CST reply actions  

It's a smokescreen.
There is a real reason for anger by Cubs fans, and the specifics of selling stadium naming rights aren't it.

Zell is breaking up the Cubs for parts. He'll sell naming rights to someone, the park to someone else, and the team to someone else still. The new owner is going to have almost no revenue streams to start off with - the State of Illinois or whoever else is going to get the park's revenue, the team's already got sweetheart broadcast deals with the Tribune, and naming rights will belong to someone else.

This is going to seriously hurt the ability of the team to increase payroll in years to come. That bothers me a lot more than "Preparation H Field" or whatever ludicrous doomdsay scenarios they're coming up with on WSCR.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions  

The way I read the naming rights sale...
... it would be giving a revenue stream to whoever the new owner is, for 20 years. Or maybe I've got this wrong, but that's how I understand it.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 12:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Whenever the Cubs are on National TV
 and in the intro by the announcers when they say "Welcome to blah blah blah Wrigley Field", I will always hit mute. If I'm over at someone elses house and don't have control of the remote and the announcers say "Welcome to beautiful blah blah blah Wrigley Field", I will just stick my fingers in my ear and scream "ya ya ya ya ya ya" like I did when I was 10.

 No big deal.

Lemon20Pie's 2008 PECOTA for Rich Hill: 204 IP 30 HR 75 BB 180 SO 1.35 WHIP 4.25 ERA

by lemon20pie on Feb 29, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Like this?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions  

precisely
 Car seat and all, except I'd have a beer tucked under each arm.
Lemon20Pie's 2008 PECOTA for Rich Hill: 204 IP 30 HR 75 BB 180 SO 1.35 WHIP 4.25 ERA

by lemon20pie on Feb 29, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

and santos
 If you can find a picture of that, you da proverbial man.
Lemon20Pie's 2008 PECOTA for Rich Hill: 204 IP 30 HR 75 BB 180 SO 1.35 WHIP 4.25 ERA

by lemon20pie on Feb 29, 2008 1:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If that's the case...
...why would Zell do it?

Zell needs cash now to pay off Tribune's massive debt load. Remember - Tribune Co. is nearing junk-bond ratings for its debt financing.

You ever been watching TV and you see those ads where they offer to buy your annuities off you? "It's my money, and I need it now!"

That's how Zell views the Cubs right now. He is breaking it apart and selling it for parts. Everything must go.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 1:01 PM CST up reply actions  

That's likely wrong..
 It's much more likely that he would sell those rights with a front loaded payment schedule. He'll pocket say..25% over the next 24 months, with the remainder paid out over a 10-20 year period. He'll make a quick 50-100 milion on the way out the door.

 And actually (cwyers) much of Tribune debt is below junk right now. Their subordinate stuff was at 70 and heading down last I checked. Crazy. You're looking at 20, 25% YTM and you can't give it away. Most think Zell can get them thru the next year, but that's about it.

by Damen Jackson on Feb 29, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions  

naming.....
I am in total agreement on the naming of Wrigley, call it what you want, it will all be the same to us.....

However I did just read this column that was written and in todays paper here in denver and atleast does make a valid point the other way....

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/29/linicome-wrigley-field-isnt-some-widget/

You gotta believe!!!

by bolson1076 on Feb 29, 2008 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That
is a very well written article.  Funny that none of our sports columnists could come up with something similar.  Oh wait . . . we are stuck with Mariotti, etc.

by gwood on Feb 29, 2008 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

It's Cubs speak...
but pretty decent article on Soto:

here

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks,
that's a nice article on Soto.

by sue369 on Feb 29, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

damn profit motive
I hate these heartless bastards trying to generate income for their shareholders and investors.  It's downright un-American!  
I'm the guy in the blue under armour shirt

by joeschmitt on Feb 29, 2008 12:41 PM CST reply actions  

Actually...
You know what, if it took something like that which allowed the Cubs to pick up a higher priced free agent and get a championship, I would actually support it (obviously).  Unfortunately, it doesn't feel like that is a realistic outcome...

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed....
Bernie is a pretty good columnist overall...and If I remember right I think he wrote for one of the Chicago papers prior to writing out here.....
You gotta believe!!!

by bolson1076 on Feb 29, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

What's in a name?
My grandpa referred to Wrigley Field as Cubs Park. I wish now that I had asked him why. But I assume it was because that's what the ballpark was called when he was teenager growing up. I never remember him correcting me when I called the ballpark Wrigley Field. I doubt he even gave it a second thought. We were able to enjoy ballgames there together through the years regardless of what we called it. At the end of this, the name isn't going to matter. It's the fact that there will be a ballpark at Clark and Addison where the Cubs will play for another 50-100 years.

So there is really not much point in getting upset about this.

by ccd on Feb 29, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions  

Rain Delay?
Is the game in a rain delay? MLB.com "Gameday" is still in warm-up mode. And why does the tab still say "Gameday 2007"????
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

re: Rain Delay?
My Gameday was dead for the first fifteen minutes or so of the game, but it seems to be waking up now. Big Z having some, uh, mixed results in the first inning.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Never mind...
Never mind. MLB Gameday just burped out a whole half inning in one swell poop.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

re: Never mind...
It burped a poop? I think you just mixed a metaphor, my friend. I have a feeling this is how Gameday is going to work today. Oh, well...I guess that's better than nothing.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

More specifically...
...he gave up two hits and threw a wild pitch, though he did strike out two. A run did score.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

Gameday was slow yesterday too.
n/t
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions  

Well...
slow is one thing, this is just silly. We might as well set up a teletype machine and do our own recreations with sound effects for all the good this is doing...

REALLY makes me want to RUN out and sign up for MLB.TV

...not...

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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously...
Has anyone else gotten past the lead-off batter (Soriano) in the bottom of the first??? I might as well watch ESPN's "Bottom Line" for all the good this is doing...

Sheesh!

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

That wouldn't help you today.
There's no radio or TV of this game at all. There aren't too many spring games that have absolutely no TV or audio coverage at all... this just happens to be one of them.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe
it's a good thing they haven't updated the bottom of the 1st yet, they might be batting still.

by cubswin14 on Feb 29, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions  

re: Maybe
I was gonna say...Dome's approach at the plate has really rubbed off on Soriano. Alfonso has been at the plate for at least 15 minutes now.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Human rain delay indeed!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe...
they have taken the "GameDay" title to heart. Updated once a day.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, this helps at least!
3-1 Cubs end of the 1st...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE! (#13031 on the Cubs season ticket waiting list...)

by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

3-1 Cubs End of 1st
How? No clue.
Old Style is the nectar of life.

by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yahoo...
Has it 3-1 Cubs in the bottom of the 1st...
"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

re: Yahoo...
Yup, Yahoo! is on the ball. Much, much less detail, but, hey, I'll take it. Gotta love this offense!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup...
Just wish we knew who it was coming from.
"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Soriano walked!
What an at-bat! Twenty minutes long!
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

re: Soriano walked!
Yeah, my Gameday updated, too. Lots of encouraging details can be found therein!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHA!
LOL!
Wait 'til next year. And the next. And the Next. And the next after that too.

by TheEman on Feb 29, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Theriot struck out, and then...
Fukudome walked and Lee singled in Soriano.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions  

And then...
... Fontenot doubled in Fukudome.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

And then...
... Pie struck out and Cintron singled in Fontenot. 3-1.
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by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 2:40 PM CST reply actions  

Fukudome
Last time a Cub led the league in walks: 1984, Sarge Matthews, batting third.

A repeat this year would be sweet.

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by ExNorthsider on Feb 29, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Soriano walked
Theriot struck out, Fukudome walked (OBP machine indeed), Lee had a single.  Fontenot doubled, Pie struck out and Cintron singled.
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by Josh Timmers on Feb 29, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions  

Gameday may be speeding up...
...mine shows two quick outs for Big Z. Another K.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Top of 2nd
Leone flied out to RF.
Ochoa got caught looking.
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by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Apparently...
the "LIVE" designation in the upper left corner of the frame of the batter/pitcher ball-strike graphic image is simply a suggestion.

...must...fight...the...fist...of...death...to...the...screen...

Grrrrrrr......  

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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:45 PM CST reply actions  

Fukudome....
so far

AVG 1.000
OBP 1.000
SLG 1.000

OPS 2.00!!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions  

Yahoo says...
...end of the top of the second. Cubs up 3-1.
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

Whoops!
Now Yahoo says 3-1 at the END of the second...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Fonty...
looks like he's picking up the slack for Aram. Hitting for the cycle in these last 2 games.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

Pitching change for the Giants
Don't know who.  They uesd a PH in the 2nd.
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by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

SF pitcher is Matt Palmer...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions  

According to Gameday...
...Sanchez has already been pulled and Cubs hitters are facing "undefined."
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions  

I heard...
He was tough... nasty slider
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by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

re: I heard...
Interesting sidenote: undefined is actually a distant cousin of PTBNL. Not a lotta people know that.
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by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I think I've passed kidney stones...
faster than this thing is updating...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Z is a switch hitter???
My MLB Gameday says:  

"Carlos Zambrano turns around to bat right-handed."

What ELSE can he do?  Plays first base, switch hits... maybe HE's the supersub!  Can DeRosa pitch?

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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

Z's batting split stats
vs. RHP as LH .211/.217/.332 - 7 career HR's
vs. LHP as RH .243/.257/.411 - 5 career HR's

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=zambrca01

by Neifi Puppy on Feb 29, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

D'oh! Per Yahoo, Giants scored again.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 2:57 PM CST reply actions  

Giants scored 1 run in the top of the 3rd.
Cubs up 3-2 going into the bottom of the 3rd.
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

Rich Hill
pitched the top of the 3rd...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions  

he did ok
but not great.  Struck out Schierholtz.
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone read about...
whether or not Aram has been practicing/taking BP/infield?

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

Hill in for big Z
Lou elected to let Z get an AB...

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions  

try...
refreshing gameday, it updates after you do.

by xene on Feb 29, 2008 3:01 PM CST reply actions  

Based on my experience today...
that was a coincidence. Refreshing does diddly squat on my browser...unfortunately...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like Dome...
...may have had a rough go of it defensively in that last half inning.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Or he tried to throw out the baserunner
advancing from 1st to 3rd on the single and the batter went to second on the throw...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks like another 15 minute at bat
for Dome. MAN! He really knows how to work a pitcher...

Makes Mike Hargrove look like Speedy Gonzalez...

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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Cubs score, 4-2 Cubs, per Yahoo!
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

You and I really should...
coordinate our Yahoo posts. You get the next one. I'll get the one after than. Unless I have to actually do some real work this afternoon...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Alright, next one's mine...
...and, yeah, I'm at work, too, not getting as much done as I probably should be.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Cubs get one in the 3rd...
4-2 Cubs going into the 4th.
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions  

Dome walked!
Wow, this is unreal.

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

dome walked..
again...dome will kill your fantasy team. :)

by xene on Feb 29, 2008 3:13 PM CST reply actions  

lots of walks?
Are there lots of walks here?  Kosuke, Fontenot... oh, wait, Blanco struck out...
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

He's a great base clogger
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by CubsBullsBears on Feb 29, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

Dusty's bases in Cincy...
should BE so "clogged".
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Darn Pie!!!
Fontenot took 4 straight balls, and Pie follows that by swinging at the first pitch!!! grrrrrr.

(according to gameday)

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions  

And he put the ball in play.
Even if you see your pitch to hit and hit it, there are times when outfielders will convert that ball into an out. You wouldn't be griping if the ball fell in for a double. If they throw you a first pitch fastball dead-red, you swing.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait, i'll reserve judgement
It appears that all the walks are on four pitches... and all balls in play are on the first pitch... so that doesn't sync up.

I'll give Pie a pass.... FOR NOW.

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Glad to hear...
you'll take it easy on him in the second ST game of the year...after he went yard and rapped a double off the wall yesterday.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Give him a pass for what?
He's supposed to hit the baseball - if that's his pitch, then he should hit it!

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha!
Yes, he put the ball in play, but that is just not smart baseball.  If you're going to be our 8 hitter, I would think Lou & co. would like to see an automatic take after four straight balls.  Just saying.

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

If the pitcher knows that you're not...
...going to swing at the first pitch no matter what, then he'll throw a strike on the first pitch every time. And you'll be letting a lot of good pitches to hit get by you.

It's not as simple as "take the ball every time." Especially if it was a strike and he knew it was a strike - why take a strike just because the last guy got four balls?

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Spring training...
I guess all situational play must go out the window when players are trying to earn their way into a starting spot, and yes, I'm aware of what Pie did yesterday.

I am also aware of what Pie did in the bigs last year and what the Cubs asked him to do in the off-season (which was become more patient, and work the bunt for an infied single).

Now in spring training, maybe I shouldn't be looking for that type of play.  However, during the season if you want your 8 hitter swinging away against a pitcher who couldn't get the ball over the plate, then that's not very good.  If it was your 3 or 4 hitter, then of course green light it... That's all I'm saying.

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Some people...
would complain about the rope you hung them with.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe the PA announcer
is doing GameDay updates too. Perhaps the MLB intern who was scheduled to do it stiffed them for a better gig...
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Fukudome....
so far...

PA 5
BB 3

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

Dome
Could score 120 runs this year, especially if they get Roberts and move Soriano down in the order.
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by ExNorthsider on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions  

I can hear Dusty's voice...
saying...

"Come on Fu-koo-dude...swing the stick man."

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Hill seems to have settled.
Three pitch strikeout to Alfonzo, AND Ochoa...
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:23 PM CST reply actions  

Bottom of 4th...
4-2.  
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions  

JD Closser in da house!
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by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:32 PM CST reply actions  

I guess spring training is also a time MLB trains
their interns on how to enter meta data into the GameDay interface...

It would be a plausible explanation for the glacier-like speed and maddeningly inconsistent flow of information...  

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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:33 PM CST reply actions  

Another explanation is...
...the bad wiring in those ballparks in Arizona. Remember they only have spring training once a year - the rest of the time they're municiple ballparks. It wouldn't surprise me much if they're using an old-school modem and phone line to update Gameday from down there.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions  

True. Dial up
could be the culprit. Too bad.  
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by Zeke on Feb 29, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Gameday isn't even supposed to be available.
Al and I pieced together how to get into Gameday last season, I think. But MLB isn't officially making it available to the public, and they could shut it off if they really wanted to keep us out of it. I'm just grateful for what we have, to be honest.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Is it supposed to be a pay site
or just beta?
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by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Gameday is free.
It's just not "open" yet. If you go to Cubs.com you'll see them advertising the stripped-down "live boxscore" instead. They don't have it ready for use yet; we're sneaking in through the back door right now.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

How does it compare to ESPN's Gamecast
During the regular season, faster or slower updates?
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by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Dunno.
Gameday certainly has more info. During the regular season I either use Gameday or the live boxscore at Fangraphs.com.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions  

if it's not supposed to be available
why are they updating the site?  Why not just... not update the site?
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Because they use the data set for...
...other things, including the live boxscore. Everything is kept in a set of XML files on MLB's servers. You can download them and look at them if you want (I have). You can see a lot of cool uses of the data at cubsfx.blogspot.com - Harry has some really nifty uses of the Enhanced Gameday Pitch F/X data.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

4-3 Cubs, middle of the 5th, per Yahoo
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:50 PM CST reply actions  

oh, no!
Kosuke ends his perfect streak...
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions  

Wow, Juan Mateo is pitching...
...there's a blast from the recent past.
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 Chicago Cubs starting outfield: Soriano-Pie-Fukudome. Let it be.

by daver on Feb 29, 2008 3:57 PM CST reply actions  

well, he just gave up a home run...
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Do They Go Extras in ST Games?
Jacque Jones is gone and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Feb 29, 2008 4:17 PM CST reply actions  

They may go one extra inning
but not more than that
Is it here yet? Is it here yet?

by flachimesa on Feb 29, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

well,
since the cubs scored a run in the bottom of the 7th, hopefully they won't have to...
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Well...
... now being down 8-5, hopefully we will have extras!
Jacque Jones is gone and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Feb 29, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

meh.
Les Walrond.  Why???
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Mister Zero!
Had one good year as the White Sox closer, has basically stunk since. Mostly he's here to caddy for Fukudome.

by cwyers on Feb 29, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
Actually it's not that bad of an idea...

by bp on Feb 29, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Mr. Sparkle?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Feb 29, 2008 4:52 PM CST up reply actions  

argh...
How long can Walrond warm up for?
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:46 PM CST reply actions  

Les Walrond Sucks
Just gave up a grand slam.  Luckily we'll never hear from him again.
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by Mordecai on Feb 29, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

obviously not enough.
Grand-slam homerun, Ryan Rohlinger.  
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by drewishdrewid on Feb 29, 2008 4:50 PM CST reply actions  

Why is Les Walrond even in camp?
He must have inherited the File Of Compromising Photos Of Jim Hendry.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 29, 2008 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

Cubs Got 1 back in the 9th...
... who made the last out, though?
Jacque Jones is gone and I doubt Ivan DeJesus would mind this!

by initram on Feb 29, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

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