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Need advice re mlb.tv vs cable

Hello everyone would like some advice and input.

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Here's whats up.

My family and I were talking and we realize we haven't watched anything on cable only in months.

The only reason we'd want cable is for cable only Cubs games.

How good is mlbtv online?  We priced it and going to basic cable and that would cut down our costs.  We need basic cable basically for reception.

All input would be appreciated and I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking about doing this.

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i dont know about lately
but back in 04 it was horrible, id be sitting in my dorm room trying to catch a matt clement 1-hitter and i swear the picture would cut out the instant he would release the ball from his hands every inning.
Bill James Felix Pie 2008 Projection: .283/.333/.456 16 HR 21 SB

by kylejo on Feb 7, 2008 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

I have to say...
I had MLB.TV back around when Kylejo did too.  And the video sucked.  and the audio wasn't synced up with the video, so you would hear "WOW LOOK AT THAT" during the windup.  

But last year I decided to subscribe again.  And boy, what a difference.  the 700k streaming video is very high quality.  No, its not DVD, but its pretty damn good.  It's a bit (about 30 seconds) delayed via TV.  So try not to follow the games on the game entries as you will usually read about 2 pitches ahead of what you are watching.

The best thing is, for someone like me who can work anywhere from 6am to midnight, all MLB games are archived for you to view.  Miss a game?  No problem, go back and watch it (or its highlights) at anytime.

by blueapple on Feb 7, 2008 8:02 PM CST reply actions  

How often does the Media Player die?
I had some problems with IE dying while I was just using Gameday Audio.  Is TV better than that?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007

by DeRoMyHero on Feb 7, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

i had it last year
and yes video still sucks especially for how much you pay for it. anyways i love wgn, but i dont have cable this year my roomies and i are too cheap. i would take wgn over mbtv any day but yeah youre only getting like half the games-tough one but id have to go cable

by Diggs247 on Feb 8, 2008 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

i liked it last year
i used it the whole 2007 season and thought it was excellent. you can watch the games streaming via windows media player or install their mlb mosaic program which you could watch up to six games simultaneously. the mosaic was pretty brutal at first but got better as the season went. But mlb has the most confusing and infuriating blackout policy which really pissed off a lot of people last year. for example i live in canada and am blacked out of toronto blue jay games although i live in western canada and am closer to chicago, minnesota, seattle, etc. so depending on where you live it might be right for you. that being said, now that the mlb extra innings package is available for the first time in canada on bell expressvu i think i might sign up for it in april.
*diehard cubs fan from northern manitoba, canada

by hoppy91 on Feb 7, 2008 8:34 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks everyone
Thanks everyone so far for the info.

I wonder if there's another free trial during spring training to give it a look see before making a final decision.

We are all waiting for that glorious October night when we finally win it all. Until then we will continue to cheer, never do the wave and hope.

by puckishcubsfan on Feb 7, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions  

I had MLB.TV last year...
...and it was a love/hate relationship, at best.  

I lived in Minnesota at the time and could get most all Cubs games, but it DOES get blacked out if the game is supposed to be on national tv, like ESPN.  Sometimes it crashes or fucks up and you have to restart it, but it is both cheaper than buying a cable package and easier for traveling.  Also, multiple people could be on it at once, which meant my dad and my friend could watch whatever the hell they wanted to while I watched the Cubs.  

It is by no means perfect, but I think that is more due to the black out restrictions than anything else.

Dan

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Feb 7, 2008 9:31 PM CST reply actions  

exactly
love hates a great way to describe it.

by Diggs247 on Feb 8, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

mlb.tv 700k feed
Ultimately, I enjoy this more than the extra innings package on cable. The ability to watch archived games (including some classic games), plus the addition of all archived radio broadcasts makes the package well worth it. The technical problems were largely addressed between 06 (my first year using the service) and last season. There are still some bugs, but I have few major complaints.

I only wish they'd triple or quadruple the bandwidth of the data feed. I have a 10Mbps connection.

Also, if MLB.com wanted to do something truly revolutionary, they'd integrate the data available through their gameday software into the mlb.tv broadcasts. I'd love to instantly have pitcher vs. batter splits available, or other useful bits of info.

by Thelonious on Feb 7, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

I had it last year as well
and I loved it.  Yeah the picture wasn't always great but as long as the game wasn't blacked out I could watch from anywhere I could get internet access.  The first few weeks of the year they usually do a free trial but you still have to give your CC number.  At the end of the free period you HAVE to contact them to cancel the service or you will keep getting charged for 2 week increments all season.

by akcubfan on Feb 7, 2008 10:08 PM CST reply actions  

DONT BOTHER
You live in Illinois. mlb.tv will black out all local games.  

That said...for an out of stater I love it.  

by ak123 on Feb 7, 2008 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

This is the most important point.
For anyone in the Chicago area (or anywhere else within the arcane territorial areas given to the Cubs' "sphere of influence", which I swear is done by having monkeys throw darts at a map of the US), getting mlb.tv isn't really worth it, not to see Cub games, anyway, since as ak123 points out, you'll be blacked out.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 8, 2008 3:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Iowa...
Is Iowa blacked out?  WGN is available on cable here, but Comcast is only available on Dish Network and DTV.  

I guess I can always listen to Pat and Ron again, which is sometimes more entertaining anyway.

An open invitation to visit Des Moines and watch the Iowa Cubs...

by IowaCubs- on Feb 8, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Love/hate
Love it when games aren't blacked out.

But TOO MANY GAMES are blacked out. I won't buy it this year because of that fact.

I have no response to that.

by stelmodad on Feb 7, 2008 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed with stelmodad....
Not only am I blocked out from Cubs games for living in Rockford, but I was also denied seeing the occasional Brewers, Cardinals, or Twins game.  But sometimes I could see them.  It made no sense.  I think they even blocked a mid season Detroit home game on me once.  WTF?????

I always end up buying the package anyway so I can watch games on the west coast while I'm working, and yes, the quality is very good.

Still, the blackout restrictions are by far my biggest pet peeve with MLB.  I can deal with the HGH scandals, inept Hall of fame or gold glove choices, insane player salaries and constantly escalating ticket prices.....but at least fix the asinine blackout policies.

by Neifi Puppy on Feb 8, 2008 5:44 AM CST reply actions  

Viewing comfort and screen size
Another question to anyone thinking of getting MLBtv to replace regular cable/tv is - what are you going to watch it on?

I am dependent on it because I can't get WGN or Comcast or Extra Innings on my TV, and while the quality has gone up every year and all the good features everybody has mentioned, I enjoy too, but there's one thing that is a negative.

I can't watch it on my couch, on the damn TV, the way you would normally watch a game.  My current laptop doesn't have the right kind of video out jack to hook it up to the TV, so I have to watch on the laptop or the family PC.  Getting comfortable for 2 or 3 hours around one of these screens isn't always easy.

Plus, one's got a 15 inch and the other has a 17 inch screen.  If I had Cubs games on normal cable, and on a normal TV, I wouldn't trade it for this.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Feb 8, 2008 6:53 AM CST reply actions  

I've had it the last four years...
it's showed steady improvement. Last year was around 90% good or excellent picture, 10% unwatchable. The first year when it was free with msn premium it was about 50/50.

The extra bucks for premium and mosaic are worth it.  I didn't watch multiple games, but the mosaic player made watching one game in large (not full screen) size with the linescore and stats in a sidebar a much better experience.

The local blackouts are by the IP address of where you log in, not where you live. Sometimes there are ways around that ;-)

by bison on Feb 8, 2008 7:54 AM CST reply actions  

So IOW...
... if you sign up using (say) a Chicago zip code, but you are in New York on business, you can still watch a Cubs game?
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 8, 2008 8:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Location Based
mlb.tv determines which games you can watch based on IP address, not billing info.

So, for me, most of the time I can't watch cubs games while at home in Chicago.  But, when I travel, I am able to watch.  

You can also play IP address games with VPNs and proxy servers...

 

by roscoevillage on Feb 8, 2008 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

This is news to me
I thought you were blacked out based upon your billing information zip code, which in turn is tied to your ID you use when accessing MLB.tv

I look forward to doing some experimentation based upon what you said.

by Neifi Puppy on Feb 8, 2008 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I used a proxy server
in a foreign country last year to watch the saturday games on Fox that were blacked out. I bet that would work too for those living in Chicago that would be blacked out on all broadcasts....

by LT on Feb 8, 2008 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely not based on registration address....
I found that out when the Cubs were in Anaheim. We wanted to check on the Friday night game (while in Anaheim), and were surprised to find that we were blacked out even though registered in the Bay Area.

by bison on Feb 10, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Depending on lifestyle, I like MLB TV
Because I have a laptop and wireless LAN I can go outside on the patio or deck and watch the games,especially in the evenings. Of course I am out here in Colorado and the evenings are pleasant and without mosquitos or other bugs, often cooler than inside that was baked by the Sun during the day. We do not have air conditioning...don't need it.

Other times I can set up in the family room while my wife is watching TV and have the sound on during with a ear plug and still be conversing with her.

Games I miss I watch on archive....the quality was good with the upgrade....only bummer was Saturday blackout....

We also have cable and I will watch it on GN with visitors like my father-in-law....but the quality improves every year.

Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."

by Ivy Walls on Feb 8, 2008 10:26 AM CST reply actions  

Outside of Illinois...
...I feel that you have to have mlb.tv. Or EI. But in Fargo, ND I only get the WGN games on tv. So most of the time, I'm on the laptop with mlb.tv.

My Mac laptop is about four years old, so it can get bogged down with streaming video. I can have the mlb.tv window open and pretty much nothing else. I'll have to restart my browser (Firefox) every once in a while, but most of the time it'll make it through an entire game. Still, you can watch the games and that's all that counts.

I think most of the problems I've experienced are related to my aging computer. I viewed games last year on my girlfriend's laptop with Vista, and it worked perfectly, for entire games and in full-screen mode. I also have a newer PC with Vista at work, and it works fine here (my boss loves it when i watch baseball games at work).

I don't think mlb.tv is expensive for a full season's worth of viewing almost any game you want. If the Chicago blackout rules applied way over here in the sticks, then I might have a different opinion.

by montanacubby on Feb 8, 2008 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

What abot WCIU?
As I recall WCIU, the bane of every down-state Cub FAn's existance because they are a Chicago only station, was attempting to broadcast, exclusively, something like 45 games. Did that deal go through?.

by Snake Plissken on Feb 8, 2008 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Obviously, no.
Take a look at the list on the front page. WCIU will be doing 8 (eight) games.
"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Feb 8, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

A workaround for the blackout rules
Go to your bank, and purchase a Visa/MC gift card for the amount needed for an annual subscription.  You have to call in and register the card to use ir for online purchases.  At that time, just give a fake name and address, and use a remote part of the country (and far away from Chicago) as your address, and you will get all the Cub games then, as they blackout based on the zip code of the card.

For the cheapies like me, there is always myp2p and sopcast, however, until basketball is over it can be hard to find Cub games on it

by 100 Years is Nothing on Feb 8, 2008 1:56 PM CST reply actions  

Some one needs to start
mlb the show championships in the Chicago area.

by xene on Feb 8, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions  

Overseas Question
I'm in the AF, and it looks like I will be moving to England at the end of April.  I know if you're overseas, you have no blackout restrictions, but I'm wondering how this will work for me as my main address will most likely be an APO-AE.  I'll be signing up before moving most likely for the April games, which will be with my Texas address, but if I switch my address midseason to an APO-AE address, will they remove the texas teams blackout?
There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Feb 8, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions  

The blackouts are based on
your IP address. So when you are in England you should be fine. Or at least that's how it worked last year.

by LT on Feb 8, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions  

The only
reason I got cable some years back was to watch the Bears. Who knew cable would take off like it did:)
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on Feb 8, 2008 6:57 PM CST reply actions  

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