Open Thread: Cubs vs. White Sox, Saturday 3/15, 3:05 CT

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2008 1:12 PM CDT in Game Threads

SCOTTSDALE, Arizona -- While Kosuke Fukudome travels to Tucson with the ballclub today, angry with himself for his .226 average so far and hoping to improve, Alfonso Soriano, Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee will stay behind in Mesa and get some extra AB's in minor league games.

Pitching rotation update: Paul Sullivan tells us that Ryan Dempster's bad day yesterday doesn't mean he's out of the rotation, but Bruce Miles says that it's time for Rich Hill to step up and pitch like he did a year ago, which he hasn't done so far this spring (7.04 spring ERA).

Hill will get his next chance this afternoon; he'll face the White Sox' Nick Masset. Masset pitched against the Cubs last May 20 at Wrigley Field and really got caught up in the intensity of the rivalry. The White Sox website says that their two new high-priced relievers, Octavio Dotel and Scott Linebrink, will also throw today. No such information on the Cubs website -- once again, a plea to you, Carrie: can we have this info?

There are many media options today. The game is televised via WGN -- with the Sox announcers. It's also on both teams' flagship stations, WGN and the Score, and at the MLB.com Mediacenter.

MLB.com Gameday (Yes, I checked both the teams and the date today. This link will absolutely, positively work.)

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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White Sox announcers?

Looks like I get to use my DVR to sync up the game to the online WGN Audio feed.

There is no place like Nebraska - Go Huskers!

by sanantonecub on Mar 15, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions

better still...

... use Sox radio to listen to Steve Stone and pretend its the 1980s all over again.

by Orval Overall on Mar 15, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions

Alex Cintron

I hope we don't see a repeat of his type of injury again. He seemed to be making a solid bid to stick to our 25 man roster and return to Chicago.

Does this injury negate that? Can he be DL'd and stick around? Or, does he have to accept a minor league assignment? Can he ask for his release?

It seems likely that he's got a good shot to land on somebody's MLB roster. I don't know that the Cubs have the patience right now to keep him, but every roster is feeling the crunch of figuring out a team to go north with.

Do you think the Cubs will keep him around if he's misses the rest of the spring?

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 15, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions

One of the articles this morning

said the injury was not serious. If so, and he starts playing again soon and at the same level of performance so far, I think he's a shoo-in to make the team.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Should've checked Cubs.com before posting

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080315&content_id=2428978&vkey=spt2008new s&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

Lou says Cintron could've come along today, but he's a little sore.

Still, is he going to make the team? Does he have to accept a minor league deal?

"Trapled moss on your souls; changes all you're a part; seen it all, not at all; can't defend a (Cubs fan)"- pearl jam

by section229beer on Mar 15, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions

He's already accepted a minor league deal.

The Cubs could add him to the 40-man if he keeps it up, though.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Wow, funny

the TV leads the radio by about 5 seconds or so, usually its the other way around. Doesn't really matter. If I have to listen to that God awful homer from the South side, it isn't worth it. OK, TV's off, its just Pat and Ron...!

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions

no, no, keep TV on.

just switch it over to CBS so you can watch the Illini's improbable run to the Big 10 Tournament title continue...

...at least for two more hours.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

forgot all about that, thanks!

n/t

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

hoffpauir

this is my first look at him today. Dude's big and from that first at bat, can definitely stroke it. Assuming he can't play anywhere but first, I hope Hendry can find someone who realizes how good he could be.

by chuccck on Mar 15, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions

He made a nice play at 1st also

just now to snare Theriot's throw....

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Hoff-POWER!

2 out double to the wall, but is stranded at first as Ward grounds out to end top of the 1st.

I really really like this guy. Supposedly he's not that great with the glove, but the few games I saw this week, his defense looked fine. And his bat is smokin'!!! Probably no place for him here, but I would think/hope he's becoming a decent trade chit for Hendry to use as needed.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2008 3:15 PM CDT reply actions

I've been saying that

I've seen this kid a few times in OKC. He can stroke it, no doubt. He's probably trade bait though.

by soonerbered on Mar 15, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions

nice play Theriot!

"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." ~ Ernie Banks

by love the ivy on Mar 15, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions

Theriot showing off

some range.....

by Neifi Puppy on Mar 15, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions

...am I the only person...

...mystified by this comment?

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

what - you didn't know Theriot was...

...an opera singer in the off-season?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Mar 15, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Wait?

You don't like Theriot??? :)

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

I think he's solid defensively...

...probably about league average at short, maybe a shade more. I just don't think he's very rangy; he mostly gets by on having very good hands.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL

I think that's the nicest thing you've said about him? Or is that lemonpie I'm thinking of?

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Probably is the nicest thing I've said about...

...Ryan Theriot, but it's not the first time I've said it, either. As a utility/bench player I like his ability to play the middle infield well and to take some walks; as an everyday starter I'm very unimpressed.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Well

I do like him but I was not happy with his playing in September. I think he's done a very very good job this Spring. Spring training doesn't mean much but I think it's a good sign that he might be able to produce much better this year.

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions

What's going on with Hill?

Bleeding Cubbie Blue since 1985.

by Bricks and Ivy on Mar 15, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions

He can't locate his curve.

n/t

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Good guys????

barf

"The only way to prove that you're a good sport is to lose." ~ Ernie Banks

by love the ivy on Mar 15, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions

Hill's getting behind a lot

Is his spot in any jeopardy at all?

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions

I doubt it.

That would be just stupid.

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

no

n/t

by soonerbered on Mar 15, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions

Cubs.com article

Talked about Cintron and Cedeno skipping today. I saw we covered the Cintron part above. Anyone read into that perhaps Lou is not happy that Cedeno stayed back too?

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions

I can't imagine

Cedeneo gets to choose to do that. He must have been told to stay behind.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions

From cubs.com

Cedeno has hamstring tightness:

Lou said he should try to play especially since he's going to sort out bench players. Lou was quoted that everyone has a few aches and pains. They did leave him behind but when I read it Lou didn't sound pleased?

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Does anyone still think

Fuld has a shot to make the club (assuming no major injuries)?

Soriano must leadoff... to provide adequate protection for Big Z!

by DGU on Mar 15, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions

No

Nope.

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions

No.

Hendry has said on multiple occasions one of Fuld/Pie is going to AAA; Lou says that Pie's got the center field job, barring a trade. Sam Fuld is going to Des Moines.

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions

No

Hendry will do something to sure up CF. I could care less about 2nd base, but a player like Payton or Crisp would be far more valuable to us, than you know who. I would rather see E Pat come up with the club than, but his downfall is being left handed like everyone else. Pat hits better than Fuld, but we all know that Lou likes Fuld a lot more than Pat, so should be interesting.

by louslovechild on Mar 15, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions

Crisp

Being on the East Coast I've seen him play a lot more than perhaps most people on here.

Defensively he was amazing. I think a lot of people in Chicago might be impressed at the runs he could save us especially in late innings.

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions

Crisp is good defensively...

...but I think our outfield starters are all very good defensively as well, so a late-inning defensive replacement isn't as useful to us as it would be to, say, Cincinatti. And I'm confident Pie is a better defender than Crisp this season.

Crisp can't get on the field right now anyway so it doesn't matter. Teams don't trade for players who can't make the field.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Nothing

No counter argument from me on that one!

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Agree

His bat isnt what we would like, in fact I would go as far to say that it isnt as good as Pie's, but he can go after it like few can.

MLBTR says that the Sox are talking to Oakland about moving Crisp out West. Why would that make sense? They are rebuilding, and his contract is not a "rebuilding" type of a deal.

by louslovechild on Mar 15, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I hope the scouts saw Murton's catch in LF

...so they can note he's not that bad a fielder.

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions

Bet they did

according to the paper today, there were 4 dozen of them at yesterday's game. Don't think the 90 minute drive down to Tucson would deter many of them.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Then they also see

Then someone has to impressed with Hoffpauer (sp?).

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions

The Cubs are heavily scouted right now...

...because not a lot of teams have the kind of pitching surplus - and obvious desire to make trades - that the Cubs have.

With guys like Murton, though, I bet most scouts have already made up their mind about him; whether they think he's good or bad defensively, I seriously doubt one catch will change their minds.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions

He is a quality player

He isnt the smartest ball player, which is why Lou isnt so fond of him, but he has skills that could help a ball club. He is limited defensively, but teams that follow the "stat geek" mentality should be in love with his bat.

by louslovechild on Mar 15, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions

hoffpaiur

is frickin amazing... he is 2-2 so far and came in with a .455 and has played in like every game.... if only we were in the AL

by grathanial on Mar 15, 2008 3:49 PM CDT reply actions

He's a decent hitter...

...but not as good as folks around here are suggesting; guys who hit like Hoffpaiur and don't play anywhere but first aren't that hard to find.

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

Hoffpaiur...

Why can't we keep him as a backup for Lee in case of injury or just give Lee a few days off?

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 15, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions

That's Daryle Ward's spot,

and Ward's proven he can do that job pretty well.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions

We can and probably will...

...keep him at either AA or AAA. But he's a lefty, and so he really doesn't offer anything Daryle Ward doesn't. And we don't have enough playing time for Ward as it is.

That said, no other team is going to want him, unless an injury occurs in camp and they get desperate for a below-average first baseman.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions

Hawk Harrelson:

Worst. Announcer. Ever.

The guy makes Joe Morgan look like Vin Scully. Completely craptacular.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions

I was just thinking that.

Even the White Sox deserve better.

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah.

It's almost a toss-up as to whether he was a worse GM than he is an announcer.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Speaking of GMs...

...I'd rather listen to Hawk and DJ than Kenny Williams.

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions

Six of one,

a half-dozen of the other. Listening to people who are bad at what they do prattle on about what they do is always nauseating.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Ken Williams

Why is he bad at what he does? Didn't he put together a WS Champion team?

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 15, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions

Sure.

He also traded for Robbie Alomar and Carl Everett. Past their primes. Twice. He traded away Gio Gonzalez, got him back, and then dealt him away yet again for the division-winning talent of Nick Swisher. You're right, he's awesome. I don't know why Theo Epstein isn't bidding for his services.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, Hendry...

Oh, let's see what exactly has Jim Hendry done with greater resources at his disposal and (purportedly) a better farm system.

Ken Williams, he's no Jim Hendry.

"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - Song celebrating the 1906 Sox World Championship

by DrCrawdad on Mar 15, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes,

bland assertions are much better than the facts I pointed out. You've got your head so far up the keyster of 2005 you can't even realize that Kenny Williams is ruining what had a chance to be a solid club for 4-5 seasons. Keep fiddling the tune of 2005 while Rome burns.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 16, 2008 7:49 AM CDT up reply actions

Oh, missed this...

Actually my comment, "what exactly has Jim Hendry done with greater resources at his disposal and (purportedly) a better farm system" was meant more as a question. It's a question that Cubbie fans love to dodge and rarely (if ever) have addressed here when I've posted that question in response to the perpetual attacks on Kenny Williams by Cubbie fans here.

So, let's make it a question: What exactly has Jim Hendry done with greater resources at his disposal and (purportedly) a better farm system?

In your bitter jealous envy of the World Champion White Sox you love to rip everything about the Sox while glossing over the sorry history of your sorry franchise.

If you're going to rip Williams for post '05, what do you have to say about the the World Championship team he assembled?

Remember too that it was all the rage (and Al was not immune) in Cubbie-land to rip the moves KW made in advance of the '05 season.

Of course you glossed over in your "bland assertion" that KW took a team that won 83 games in '04 and built it into a team that won 99 games and then 90 games.

* Freddy Garcia for garbage (but was heckled by Cubbie fans like you).
* Pods. & Vizcaino (this particular trade inspired all kinds of mockery from Cubbie fans. Al in fact pointed at this trade and said the Sox would be lucky to win 70 games.)
* AJ Pierzinski, FA signing (ripped too by Cubbie fans clamoring for Michael Barrett.)
* Iguchi, FA signing
* Dye (Cubbie fans were saying that their forgettable RF pick-up that year was better than the Dye acquisition. Dye was the '05 World Series MVP.)
* Geoff Blum for nothing
* Contreras for Loiaza
* Orlando Hernandez FA signing
* Bobby Jenks, picked up from waivers
* Neil Cotts, an earlier acquisition of KW's.

The '05 team that won 99 games and went 11-1 in the post-season, sweeping the World Series was a team built almost top to bottom by Kenny Williams.

Kenny Williams will of course have to answer for what's happened afterward but he's done something that you've never seen a Cubbie GM do - build a World Champion - hence your hate.

"...the Sox ... may be even more marginal after the Cubs win the 2007 World Series." - Cubbie fan "Joe Alberti" as posted in the White Sox NG on 9/21/2007.

by DrCrawdad on Mar 17, 2008 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Now they're talking to each other!

That's when I reach for my revolver...

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions

He's talking about losing Pablo Ozuna...

...as though it was somehow signifcant to the team last season.

Geez.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Apparently,

Nick Swisher will allow the Sox to compete for the division. Ye gods.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions

honestly though what's he gonna say

we suck swamp water and donkey ass and we don't stand a snowball's chance in hell at competing with the cats and the tribe?

Of course, not so he spins it as best as possible. I just can't wait until he has to fire the blizzard of Oz when Oz pops off at the mouth.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

I love it.

"We're not asking them to perform above their career levels. But if they can just get back to their career levels, then we can score about 850 runs."

Yes, because that's what old players do - revert to career norms!

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

I see your point,

but he's a bit too serious about this competing for the division thing; Nick Swisher is a good hitter, but he's no Miggy Cabrera, who was added by a team in the Sox' division. It's kind of insulting to the fanbase to prattle on about competing, IMO.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

Exactly...

I know a couple Sox fans (hence, my username) and they turn 13 shades of purple when Williams shines them on about competing after nearly singlehandedly dismantling the team.

"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen

by BlueSox on Mar 15, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions

Which is why I turned the TV off initially

then ballhawk reminded me of the Illini game on CBS, so back on it went; they're up 29-23 at the half...

Harrelson, Kenny, the blizzard of Oz and the Sox all deserve each other; good riddance.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Yikes.

Bad throw by Dome.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 3:54 PM CDT reply actions

mcgheehee

did that for all the Irish celebrating today.

by fortysevens on Mar 15, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions

Lá Fhéile Pádraig!

n/t

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions

Ah

Paddy's Day and Cumann Daorchluiche Cubs na Chicago -- doesn't get any better. Let's just hope they don't wear those awful green hats tomorrow.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

They likely will.

But today the city is full of people in green plastic derbys...and I'm not sure which is worse.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions

The derbys are worse

but even worse are the oversized leprechaun hats.

The problem with the green Cubs hat is the shade of green. Just get a darker green and it won't clash so horribly with Cub blue (and red) as it honors Cub greats like Jimmy Archer and....., um...Sean Gallagher.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't forget

Chuck Connors, a first generation Irish-American.

I agree on the shade. It's bit too much. Incidentally, if you're watching the game, when there's a LH batter up, over his right shoulder is an elderly gentleman in said hat.

And you're right, the derbys and leprechaun hats are worse.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions

That guy's wearing a Sox hat

I think. The shade isn't as bright as the Cubs one, but could still be a little darker.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions

I thought

it was the Cubs hat with the bear holding a bat. Maybe you're right, though. That shade is still too loud.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions

The bear holding a bat

I think you may be right there.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions

Wow.

He really lofted that thing.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply actions

Hawk...

I love it when the Hawk says, "HE GONE"!

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

If he were not a total

ass-licker, then "he gone" years ago; poor grammar not withstanding.

Never and I mean never has there been such a homer for a supposed big market team. I am SO GLAD he's South of Madison Street.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Hawk....

Just adds some Southern charm to the broadcasts.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 15, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions

So that's what that is...

charm.

"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen

by BlueSox on Mar 15, 2008 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions

You just don't appreciate the rich, Southern...

...heritage of the Chicago White Sox.

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

I did not realize...

Foghorn Leghorn was from Chicago.

"Confidence is what you have before you understand the problem." Woody Allen

by BlueSox on Mar 15, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions

Hawk....

Hey,they have a World Series Championship and we have none. I would trade a Hawk for a WS ring.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Mar 15, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Trust me, they're unrelated.

And, speaking of unrelated - what in the hell is Murton doing trying to steal a base?!?!?!?!?

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by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions

In the dictionary under "irrelevant,"

it says "see: unrelated"

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Why?

It's hackneyed, overdone schtick. He's all catchphrases and overwrought nonsense and no actual game analysis.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Are you saying

his shtick is schlock?

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Kinda

Every schmuck's schtick is a kind of schlock.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions

you're such a mensch.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions

I try.

n/t

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions

whereas Kenny Williams

is such a shlemiel....

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions

I guess that makes Ozzie

a meshugener.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions

I always thought of meshugenuh

as an adjective, not a noun. At least that's how my grandma used it.

Why does everybody stand up and sing "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" when they're already there? ~Larry Anderson

by JohnM on Mar 15, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions

I've heard it used this way

by friends just to mean a crazy man, but perhaps you're right.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

I'm not an expert in Yiddish

but in Hebrew, meshugah is "crazy", and so I would guess in Yiddish it is the same. The word "meshugeneh" is probably a Yiddishism for "a crazy man".

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Kenny Williams

Did he just say Swisher will help them compete for the division title?

Is he serious or delusional?

Aug 15 - Ted Lilly walked by the lineup card and said to nobody in particular "I can't believe I'm batting 9th again".

by mweil on Mar 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT reply actions

Yes.

He's serious about being delusional.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Mar 15, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Don't forget...

... his comment about the Cabrera/Willis trade, which made the Tigers "more competitive" with them.

Kenny Williams IS delusional.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Sue's favorite red-head

thrown out stealing.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions

Murton caught stealing?

I like the way he thinks but I'm not sure I like how quick he is.

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 4:44 PM CDT reply actions

missed it watching the Illini game

was it a straight steal or a messed up H&R?

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions

it was a straight steal

n/t

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions

Matt Murton is many things.

Fast is not one of them.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions

Nick Swisher swishes on one and falls down

on a pitch from Les Walrond, no less. I hope Swisher strikes out and shuts Hawk up.

by zevkalman on Mar 15, 2008 4:49 PM CDT reply actions

i want to

put m-80s in my ears listening to these announcers

by grathanial on Mar 15, 2008 4:52 PM CDT reply actions

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

is Neil Cotts still on this TEAM??????

ARGH!

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:06 PM CDT reply actions

I REALLY hate this guy.

I don't even want a used infield rake in trade. LET HIM GO.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions

Just came inside...

... from glorious 70-degree sunshine to see that performance. Should have stayed outdoors.

Whatever the deadline is for players to be cut without paying more than part of their salary, I imagine Cotts is going to qualify for that treatment. I think he's done.

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Thought you were going to the games Al?

My last trip out there for ST will be an extended Easter weekend.

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Not going to Tucson games.

n/t

"That's my opinion and if you don't like it, well, I have others." ~ Groucho Marx

by Al Yellon on Mar 15, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Neil Effing Cotts

"It's that wonderul relief that comes when they stop hitting you in the head with a hammer."

by lostinthevines on Mar 15, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions

Illini up 50-40

2:13 to go...

by blackhawk24 on Mar 15, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply actions

Neil Cotts:

not good at pitching.

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 5:15 PM CDT reply actions

Well

That's the last time I'll probably ever see him in a Cub uniform.

Soriano must leadoff... to provide adequate protection for Big Z!

by DGU on Mar 15, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions

From your lips

to God's ears...

"I've always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation." - Joe Morgan, Sunday Night Baseball 8-12-07

by gary varsho on Mar 15, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions

argh!

runner interferance. inning over. At least Fukudome's ok.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions

is he?

I didn't see him get up??

The outfield camera def. showed he interfered though...

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions

I thought he did

Ron and Pat said he was ok.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions

ok

I thought it went to a commercial on the mlb.tv before he got up.

by ak123 on Mar 15, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions

Ron and Pat

said it, and they haven't said anything about it since. Dunno.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Watching Fududome sail through the air....

just scared me half to death

Chuck Norris is a Cubs fan...

by Walker71421 on Mar 15, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions

OMG!!!!

NOOOOOOO!!! My heart just dropped after that collision. I got flashes of Prior and Giles a few years back. He got up holding his hand; I hope he's okay.

"The one that invent the light tried 2,000 times and finally he did it, we have light...I don't want to spend 2,000 times to win Opening Day" Carlos Zambrano

by CubsBullsBears on Mar 15, 2008 5:20 PM CDT reply actions

he didn't interfere

whoever that second basemen was had a chance and then bobbled it. The sox got lucky on that call

by Glacier on Mar 15, 2008 5:21 PM CDT reply actions

I agree

especially on the replays.

Worst to First in 2007, brought to you by Lou, Sori, A-Ram and D-Lee.

by drewishdrewid on Mar 15, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Props to Hawk and DJ

Not my fave listen either and total homers esp. Hawk but when they do talk baseball they do occasionally entertain and make good points.

Talking about No. 2 hitter today. Hawk said No. 2 hitter has more responsibilities than anyone in lineup, and usually talk to player before moving him to that spot. Sox made a great run one year when moved Carlton Fisk to that spot.

DJ chimed in that he didn't think Soriano was capable of making the adjustments to the 2-Hole.

Don't think you'd hear the latter comment on a Cub broadcast!!

Hawk was saying how valuable Cotts was to the Sox championship run. How can somebody go from being that good to this bad so soon? Happens all the time....

by writerinwrigley on Mar 15, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions

Cotts...

...it's really too bad to see how he's fallen off. Cotts was one Cubbie I was really rooting for. Hopefully Cotts turns things around, if not with the Cubbies then somewhere else.

"The championship pennants, oh long may they wave - O'er the grounds of the Sox and the Cubs gloomy grave." - Song celebrating the 1906 Sox World Championship

by DrCrawdad on Mar 15, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions