Bleed Cubbie Blue - Cubs vs. Brewers Monday Game ThreadsA Chicago Cubs Fan Community Since February 9, 2005https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/community_logos/47557/cubbieblue.png2013-09-17T08:00:19-05:00http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/rss/stream/44885492013-09-17T08:00:19-05:002013-09-17T08:00:19-05:00Brewers 6, Cubs 1: Defenseless
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<p>That was an ugly game in front of a small and mostly indifferent crowd. Be honest. You want to know the details anyway. You might want to cover your eyes, but here they are anyway.</p> <p>While you are reading the description of some of the horrific defense by both the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/">Cubs</a> and Brewers in <a href="http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/boxscore.jsp?gid=2013_09_16_chnmlb_milmlb_1" target="_blank">Milwaukee's 6-1 win Monday night</a>, I suggest you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ" target="_blank">click here</a> for appropriate background music. (You'll have to just read the descriptions, because Major League Baseball has decided to spare you actually having to watch them; not one of these plays shows up in the game's selection of video highlights.)</p>
<p>The teams combined for five errors, all of them in the first five innings (and there should have been a sixth, because I could not figure out how the official scorer didn't give <span>Scooter Gennett</span> an error on a ball that he had in his glove, then dropped; <span>Welington Castillo</span> will take the gift double, I suppose).</p>
<p>Just how bad were the errors? Let us count the ways.</p>
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<li> <span>Starlin Castro</span> fired a throw over Anthony Rizzo's head in the second inning; <span>Norichika Aoki</span> took second base on what would have been a tough play on a high chopper. </li>
<li> Brewers shortstop <span>Jean Segura</span> returned the favor in the top of the third on a <span>Ryan Sweeney</span> grounder. </li>
<li> Brewers catcher <span>Martin Maldonado</span> attempted a suicide squeeze with <span>Caleb Gindl</span> on third base. <span>Edwin Jackson</span> had no chance to get Gindl, but the out at first base should have been easy. Instead, Jackson threw the ball into right field and Maldonado wound up on second base. With all the errors, this was the only unearned run of the night. </li>
<li> <span>Luis Valbuena</span> caught a line drive and attempted to double Maldonado off second. Continuing Jackson's theme, the throw went into right field, allowing Maldonado to advance. </li>
<li> Aoki made a wild throw on the aforementioned double by Castillo. </li>
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<p>After that, the teams settled down and played defense reasonably well while the Brewers were padding their lead off a parade of Cubs relievers. Gindl hit a two-run homer off <span>Zach Rosscup</span> to complete the scoring in the seventh inning.</p>
<p>The parade of relievers is another story, because Dale Sveum yanked Jackson after four innings. Jackson had little command, issuing three walks and throwing only 43 strikes in his 76 pitches. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-chicago-cubs-dale-sveum-edwin-jackson-argument-20130916,0,3779882.story" target="_blank">Jackson wasn't happy</a>:</p>
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<pre>"It happens," Jackson said after he disagreed over Sveum’s decision to pull him for a pinch hitter in the top of the fifth inning with the Cubs trailing the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.brewcrewball.com/">Milwaukee Brewers</a> 2-0 with a runner at second base. "I was caught off guard a bit. But that’s the nature of the game. He’s the manager. He can make the calls when he needs to."
Sveum pointed out that Jackson already was at 76 pitches and felt he could try to at least have a better chance at getting Welington Castillo home from second with a pinch hitter at Miller Park, where the Cubs have played their share of wild games.
"He wasn’t really happy being taken out of the game, and I understand that," said Sveum, who pointing his finger at Jackson as Jackson was headed from the dugout to the clubhouse after the top of the fifth as several coaches surrounded them.
"That’s my decision, and I’ll leave it at that."</pre>
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<p>Video of the "talk" between Sveum and Jackson in the dugout showed Sveum pretty animated; it was reminiscent of a similar dugout "talk" between <span>Ryan Dempster</span> and Mike Quade two years ago in Washington. Read between the lines -- there doesn't seem to be much good coming from this. Len and JD also mentioned during the broadcast, that this was an opportunity to see some of the extra bullpen arms added during September. To that I'll only mention that the relievers were pretty ineffective -- four innings, six hits, four earned runs.</p>
<p>Brewers manager Ron Roenicke decided to one-up Sveum by making a pitching change with two out in the ninth inning, after <span>Donnie Murphy</span> had walked. Seriously? With a five-run lead, <span>Donovan Hand</span> needed one batter's worth of work?</p>
<p>And if all that isn't bad enough, read this:</p>
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<p>Oh no. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Brewers&src=hash">#Brewers</a> have staffers on top of dugout trying to start the wave at Miller Park</p>
— Carrie Muskat (@CarrieMuskat) <a href="https://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat/statuses/379804299561144320">September 17, 2013</a>
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<p>My position on the wave is well-known. It's stupid and fans shouldn't do it, in my opinion. <i>But actual team staffers trying to encourage it?</i> Shame on you, Brewers.</p>
<p>Finally, a plea. Please, WGN and CSN. Stop running <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clrAbN6McIg" target="_blank">this commercial</a>. Please. Or at least stop running it 15 times a game. It's not summer any more. Even if I liked this product -- and I can't imagine why anyone would, it looks awful -- being incessantly bombarded with this ad pitch would make me stop consuming it.</p>
<p>That was an ugly game in front of the smallest announced crowd (24,464) to see a Cubs/Brewers game at Miller Park since May 2003, and it looked like maybe half that many were actually in the seats. The two teams will try to play better Tuesday night; <span>Jeff Samardzija</span> will face <span>Marco Estrada</span>.</p>
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/9/17/4740134/cubs-brewers-recap-edwin-jackson-dale-sveum-mlb-scoresAl Yellon2013-09-16T21:55:04-05:002013-09-16T21:55:04-05:00Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Brewers, Monday 9/16
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https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/9/16/4724514/overflow-thread-1-cubs-vs-brewers-monday-9-16-7-10-ctAl Yellon2013-09-16T17:00:08-05:002013-09-16T17:00:08-05:00Cubs vs. Brewers Preview, Monday 9/16, 7:10 CT
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<p>Individual pitcher wins and losses are pretty meaningless in modern baseball. Nevertheless, we could see something tonight that's rare in recent Cubs history.</p> <p>If Edwin Jackson is tagged with the defeat tonight, that will be his 16th loss of the season (and most if not all of them, well-deserved).</p>
<p>You might not think that's a big deal, but the last time a Cubs starter lost 16 or more games was 1999, when <span>Steve Trachsel</span> lost 18. In fact, since 1977 -- 36 years ago -- there has been only one other Cubs hurler to lose 16, <span>Frank Castillo</span> in 1996.</p>
<p>It would also be a career high for Jackson, who went 5-15 for the 2007 <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.draysbay.com/">Rays</a>. (Yes, I know. They were still called the Devil Rays in 2007.)</p>
<p>Thus, the state of the 2013 Cubs. Oh, and besides all that and a series win at Miller Park in June, the Cubs are 5-19 in Milwaukee since the start of 2011. Try to enjoy the game anyway.</p>
<p><a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/">Cubs</a> lineup:</p>
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<pre>Castro SS, Valbuena 3B, Rizzo 1B, Schierholtz RF, Sweeney CF, Lake LF, Castillo C, Barney 2B, Jackson P</pre>
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<p>Brewers lineup:</p>
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<pre>Aoki RF, Segura SS, Lucroy 1B, Ramirez 3B, Gomez CF, Gennett 2B, Gindl LF, Maldonado C, Peralta P</pre>
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<p>I give up trying to figure out Edwin Jackson for these little blurbs. I tell you that maybe he'll be good this outing, and he sucks. I tell you that maybe he'll suck, and he... sucks. Well, not every time, but you get the idea. Maddening. Just like his four starts so far against the Brewers: two of them pretty good, two of them sucky. Overall against Milwaukee: 4.74 ERA (almost exactly his season average), 24⅔ innings, 1.378 WHIP (slightly below his season average). In short, I could pretty much say he's going to suck, and he'd either suck or not. Maybe next year will be better.</p>
<p>Wily Peralta's three starts against the Cubs have resulted in a 3.86 ERA (a bit below his overall ERA) and 1.371 WHIP (ditto). His season ERA has not been below 4.30 nor above 4.60 since the All-Star break. Prediction: six innings, three earned runs, and the Cubs figure out a new and interesting way to lose.</p>
<p>Today's game is on WGN.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/mediacenter/index.jsp?ymd=20130401#date=9/16/2013">Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_09_16_chnmlb_milmlb_1&mode=gameday">MLB.com Gameday</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/previews/CHC.shtml">Baseball-reference.com game preview</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/events/118901/pregame">SB Nation game preview</a></p>
<p>Please visit our SB Nation <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="https://www.brewcrewball.com/">Brewers</a> site <a target="_blank" href="http://www.brewcrewball.com/">Brew Crew Ball</a>. The usual caution is advised.</p>
<p>Here's the scoop on game threads for 2013. You'll find the game preview -- like this one -- posting as the first link in the StoryStream™, which will then contain all the overflow threads and the recap. The recap will also be on the front page as a separate post; once I post a game recap, the stream for each game will be retitled "Cubs vs. (Team) (Day of Week) Game Threads" so you can go back and find every thread related to that particular game.</p>
<p>In general, game previews will post two hours before game time. Exception: for day games after night games, that will usually be 90 minutes.</p>
<p>You will also be able to find the First Pitch Thread and all the overflow threads in the box marked "<a href="https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/" class="sbn-auto-link">Chicago Cubs</a> Game Threads" at the bottom of the front page (<a href="http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/game-threads">you can also find them in this section link</a>). They will also appear in this StoryStream™. As I've done for each regular-season game for several years now, we'll have the First Pitch thread at five minutes before game time (moved up from actual game time per your requests), then an overflow one hour, two hours and 2:45 after game time.</p>
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2013/9/16/4724494/chicago-cubs-milwaukee-brewers-lineups-preview-mondayAl Yellon